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(Esquire)   What do you call someone who speaks two different languages? Bilingual. What do you call someone who speaks one language? American. What do you call someone that accuses someone of racism without proof? Liberal   (esquire.com) divider line 24
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2012-08-20 11:54:24 AM
2 votes:
Subby, if appealing to white racial resentment with a blatant lie isn't racist, it's right on the borderline. Aside from the attack being 100% untrue (not a case of shading the truth or anything), aside from the fact that Willard asked for the exact same waiver while Governor, the GOP admakers understand that very few things enrage white Republicans like the thought of a black person getting one tiny fraction of a penny of their paycheque, regardless of the reason.

It's why Rush kept calling Obamacare "reparations" (that, and the fact that Rush is a lying shiatstain who will hopefully choke on a penis very, very soon). He wanted his listeners to believe that their hard earned money was going to non-whites. He knows that it enrages them like few other things.
2012-08-20 11:32:23 AM
2 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: "Because the one thing the white, working class voters don't like is slothful welfare recipients. They don't like slackers. They don't like takers. They don't like people sitting on the couch, getting a welfare check, watching television, when they know they're paying for it." - Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been honored by the Missouri House Speaker with a statue of his likeness in the state house.


Good point. This issue of debate is actually something republican governors including Mitt Romney have asked for, and for quite some time. It also holds the state accountable stating they must have an alternative work program which they have proof will be more effective. This is the supposed core of what conservatives state is their belief system.

Yet they take it and twist the whole thing out of context stating that president Obama is gutting the work requirement. They have surrogates like Newt Gingrich spewing it on TV when, and called out they justify the lie by saying that they know in President Obama's heart that is what he would do if he could.

Why? This is not a legitemate policy criticism. The only reason I can think of is to draw anger to the "welfare queen" strawman and divide Americans along racial lines. When I hear the stereotypical story of the welfare recipient driving up to pick up their check in their Cadillac by those who claim to be conservative, the welfare recipient is never a Caucasian. This is a true ad of hatred and division. 

Not to mention this is what President Obama gets in return for giving them a policy they wanted. Is there any wonder he has started working around them using executive orders?
2012-08-20 10:40:30 AM
2 votes:
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-20 09:51:01 AM
2 votes:

cman: Rincewind53: cman: Inb4 downvote brigade

#4. I hate racist folks. Hell, Birthers are the scum of the earth for me. Those ignorant idiots make me want to puke. But, not every thing is done based upon race. We need to go out there and focus on, you kno ...


That's pretty much the standard response from the right on racism. Only violent white supremacists are racists. People who just think that brown people are lazy and inferior are just realists to you guys.
2012-08-20 09:03:51 AM
2 votes:
Lying about welfare recipients and policy, and portraying welfare as an entitlement program for blacks IS racist.
2012-08-20 08:12:56 AM
2 votes:

cman: Inb4 downvote brigade

Birtherism is racist (well, Alex Jones is the exception, his birtherism comes from the belief that the NWO is forcing a non-American citizen as President to show the world what they are capable of. Dont ask.) KKK are racist. The pool incident where the black children were asked to leave because they changed the complexion of the pool was racist. Calling a black man "boy" or "son" and the two N bombs, that is racist.

Attacking the President for his position on the political issue of welfare is not racist.


As was covered in the last thread, "welfare reform" and "work for welfare" is a well-accepted dog whistle for racism. If you were paying any attention to politics in the 90s when this issue was last addressed, you'd know that. That was the age of the "Welfare queens" as attack position, which was almost always portrayed as a black single mother.

So, I'm sorry, but publishing an outright lie that accuses the president of getting rid of the work requirement and just giving money away to people on welfare is actually kinda racist. It is not explicitly racist, just as the Willie Horton ads weren't explicitly racist, but everyone knew that an ad showing that Dukakis had furloughed a huge scary black man was a racist ad.
2012-08-20 04:56:08 PM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Teufelaffe: lennavan: Are you claiming white people are incapable of voting on Sundays?

I'm white, and Sundays are when I sleep in and spend the rest of the day, in my boxers, watching movies or playing games. There's no way I could vote on a Sunday.

It would be nice to most of the god-fearing away from the polls but every Seventh-day Adventist candidate would win in a landslide, and I'm not sure that's an improvement.


Why don't the just move the polling date to an already-established Federal holiday? Alternatively, move a Federal holiday not tied to a specific date (e.g. MLK Day) to the first Tuesday in November. Or make voting available from Sunday-Tuesday.

There are any number of sensible ways to open voting to try and get more than 45% of eligible voters into the booths, but it seems the GOP is more likely to want voting restricted to Tuesday business hours (oh, all right - we'll keep the polls open until 8pm for you lazy slackers).
2012-08-20 12:50:24 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: you didn't do so well at reading in school did you?

I never said that welfare programs are only for black people - just the clear, plan fact that most people on public assistance white. Nevertheless, any attempt to reform or alter any welfare program is usually met with cries of racism from people who claim that without these programs, championed by democrats, blacks couldn't possibly make it on their own.

My "Projections" are not plucked out the sky. the roots of all progressive ideas is to pander to supposed victim groups not out of admiration but out of making them useful idiots. LBJ created welfare as a means of "those N-------- voting democrat forever" Need more? Listen to any liberal on news today talk about a conservative woman, black or latino. They claim to be all about people's rights and choices as long as those choices fall in line with the liberal agenda.

A Feminist supports a woman's right to determine her life as long as that choice isn't to be a mother and a matriarch. The civil rights movement was about Blacks having access to public programs and equal protections and out of that came a hatred for blacks who chose to have conservative ideas. The examples are numerous but you're too delusional to accept them.

The anecdote to which you refer occurred in PA and if voter ID ends fraud and protects elections, then it might just had PA to Mitt Romney. This is the state by the way where black panthers can patrol voting stations with clubs yet that somehow isn't seen as voter intimidation or disenfranchisement. The critics of Voter ID are often quick to point to the Jim Crow laws to draw a pathetic comparison.


The last time I met someone as completely out of touch with reality as you, he was telling me about how the FDA and CIA were reading his mind with "exomorphic microwave transceivers" that were hidden in the streetlights.
2012-08-20 12:49:53 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: lennavan: So? You're utilizing a boogeyman to enact laws. You see what just went on here don't you?

There's no boogeyman. Indiana enacted a law and the SCOTUS upheld it.


Hey, you and I agree there is no boogeyman. But as you said, we sure did pass an anti-boogeyman law anyways. I'm not arguing the law is illegal or unconstitutional. I'm arguing the reason for passing the law is to win an election and it has nothing to do with anything else. You admitted this is true, you know how? You haven't once defended the reason for the law or suggested what it has to do with. I gotta warn you, the weakness of your argument is pretty farking exposed here, you might consider a NSFW warning next time you post like that.

o5iiawah: lennavan: I can tell you why - you want to silence the minority vote.

Straws again.

That black people go to Church more than white people
That black people have a longer line at the DMV to get their ID
That black people are less capable than whites of obtaining an ID.

Which one is it?


So if we enacted a law saying all voting should from now on be done at Popeye's you'd be cool with that?
2012-08-20 12:30:45 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: For starters, the SCOTUS ruled in crawford vs marion county that voter Id is legal and doesn't require a state to prove any instance of prior fraud.


So? You're utilizing a boogeyman to enact laws. You see what just went on here don't you?

Lennavan: There is no good reason for voter ID laws.
You/SCOTUS: There is no good reason to NOT have voter ID laws.

That's not the way things work.

o5iiawah: To assert that blacks cant get up out of bed to get ID, spend every Sunday at Church, or are prone to losing important documents is grasping at straws


Again, you have failed to explain why we should not allow early voting and specifically on Sundays prior to the election. I have a good reason: higher participation of the population in voting is a good thing. The more participation, the more representative the government will be of the voters. Now explain to me why it makes any goddamn sense to stop voting specifically on Sunday? Saturday is still good, Monday is still good. Why ban only Sunday?

You're the one grasping at straws here.

"Voter ID adds an unnecessary hurdle to voting. Voting is a good thing. So why require voter ID?"
"Why NOT?!?!"

"Early voting allows more people to vote, especially if you look at the huge lines in 2008 and how voters waited in long lines and eventually gave up and left. Early voting is a good thing. So why reduce early voting?"
"Why NOT?!?!?!?"

I can tell you why - you want to silence the minority vote. But I'll tell you what, I don't think it's because you're racist. I think it's because you're a Republican and you know minorities tend to vote Democrat. If minorities tended to vote Republican you wouldn't give a shiat about voter ID or early voting. Indeed, you'd be on the exact opposite side of the coin.
2012-08-20 12:15:16 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: So the other manifestations of racism are fake?


If it's legitimate racism, the African-American body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
2012-08-20 12:14:59 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: o5iiawah: True racism lies in the thin veil of soft bigotry, where when you see a black person form a complete sentence, you pat them on the head for being so intelligent.

So the other manifestations of racism are fake?


I hear that minorities that are subject to "legitimate" racism have natural biological defenses that keep it from harming them.
2012-08-20 12:06:56 PM
1 votes:

o5iiawah: True racism lies in the thin veil of soft bigotry, where when you see a black person form a complete sentence, you pat them on the head for being so intelligent.


Agreed.

o5iiawah: When getting out of bed once every 10 years to get a free state ID is Jim Crow. White man's burden is alive and well


By all means, go ahead and explain to me what good reason there should be a state ID to vote law? Because of voter fraud? It doesn't exist. You completely made that up. And why didn't you stop at your voter ID laws? You know damn well African Americans tend to get together after church on Sunday before the election to vote early. Why did you pass a law preventing that, just on Sundays? You also know damn well more minorities vote early. Why did you pass a law reducing the early voting?

Upon what reason do you constantly pass laws that disproportionately and negatively effect minorities? If you've got a reason by all means, we'll conclude it must not be race. But so far there is no other reason whatsoever to prevent voting early and voting on Sundays before the election other than you want to silence the minority vote.

We have actual evidence and logic supporting our claim you're a racist douche. It's not like we're just throwing it out there.
2012-08-20 11:59:03 AM
1 votes:

Lucky LaRue: Efforts to cut social services like welfare, subsidized school lunches, and medicaid have all come from conservative quarters. But just because implementation of these laws would disproportionately impact African Americans, don't call them racists.


No they dont.

The largest beneficiaries of public assistance are far and away poor white trash.


True racism lies in the thin veil of soft bigotry, where when you see a black person form a complete sentence, you pat them on the head for being so intelligent. When you champion welfare programs because you think blacks cannot possibly be expected to be capable of performing x,y, and z on their own so they need help. When getting out of bed once every 10 years to get a free state ID is Jim Crow. White man's burden is alive and well and it lies in the current breed of progressives/liberals who have historically treated minorities as essentially pets whose only responsibility in life is to vote a straight democratic ticket every 2 years
2012-08-20 11:09:14 AM
1 votes:

cman: Inb4 downvote brigade

Birtherism is racist (well, Alex Jones is the exception, his birtherism comes from the belief that the NWO is forcing a non-American citizen as President to show the world what they are capable of. Dont ask.) KKK are racist. The pool incident where the black children were asked to leave because they changed the complexion of the pool was racist. Calling a black man "boy" or "son" and the two N bombs, that is racist.

Attacking the President for his position on the political issue of welfare is not racist.


Yes and the Willie Horton ad was a legitimate discussion of penal reform policies in this country.
You're problem is, Lee Atwater, the guy who invented this kind of campaigning and trained Karl Rove, had a "moment of clarity" after being diagnosed with brain cancer and came clean about all of this years ago , and apologized to the the people he'd used the tactics on.

Since he published the playbook for all the world to see, it's a lot harder to claim it doesn't exist or you aren't following it now.

(hint: look up Philadelphia, MS and then tell me if you think it was accidental that Reagan chose there, of all places to announce his run for the presidency\)
2012-08-20 11:06:43 AM
1 votes:
If you are calling a republican politician racist without proof you might be just putting safe money down.
2012-08-20 10:04:49 AM
1 votes:
The fact that this ad is being played on TV, and there are absolutely no consequences for the Romney campaign, is absolutely disgusting.
2012-08-20 09:57:59 AM
1 votes:
Conservatives have passed voter laws across the country that will disenfranchise nearly 25% of the African American voters in order to stop a crime that has been committed a dozen times in the last 10 years of voting. But don't call them racist, because you don't have proof.

The largest increases in white supremacy hate groups in a hundred years have tracked consistently with the rise of the tea party movement, but don't call them racists.

Laws implementing (unnecessary) bans on Sharia law and to stop mosques from being built have all come from conservative law makers, but don't call them racists.

Efforts to cut social services like welfare, subsidized school lunches, and medicaid have all come from conservative quarters. But just because implementation of these laws would disproportionately impact African Americans, don't call them racists.
2012-08-20 09:56:44 AM
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: We gutted welfare back in the 90's to the point where I'm not certain there's anything left to debate.


It's still around, but they changed up the program to the point that you can't remain on it for life. Cash assistance caps out at 5 years, although food assistance can carry on longer.

AirForceVet: /Obviously this ad is to inflame his voting block, even though more whites are on welfare than blacks.


Unfortunately, since the recession started that's no longer true. It still doesn't matter - the "welfare" replacement, TANF, isn't a program like the "old-school" welfare program. People should stop using the word "welfare" because it doesn't accurately describe what federal government living assistance is anymore.

The only real "welfare" left for people is Social Security Disability, which you can get for life.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-20 09:47:45 AM
1 votes:

cman: Inb4 downvote brigade


Attacking the President for his position on the political issue of welfare is not racist.


Claiming that minorities are lazy people who would rather be "welfare queens" than work is racist. If you know any conservatives and are honest then you would know that the right's opposition to welfare is based in racism.
2012-08-20 09:27:05 AM
1 votes:
We gutted welfare back in the 90's to the point where I'm not certain there's anything left to debate.
2012-08-20 09:23:20 AM
1 votes:
Politifact rates Romney's welfare comments as FIRES ON FIRE.

/Obviously this ad is to inflame his voting block, even though more whites are on welfare than blacks.
2012-08-20 08:01:24 AM
1 votes:
Inb4 downvote brigade

Birtherism is racist (well, Alex Jones is the exception, his birtherism comes from the belief that the NWO is forcing a non-American citizen as President to show the world what they are capable of. Dont ask.) KKK are racist. The pool incident where the black children were asked to leave because they changed the complexion of the pool was racist. Calling a black man "boy" or "son" and the two N bombs, that is racist.

Attacking the President for his position on the political issue of welfare is not racist.
2012-08-20 07:59:19 AM
1 votes:
You guys think you are using a dogwhistle, but in reality your hearing is just shiatty. Everyone can hear it.
 
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