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(BBC)   Julian Assange speaks on Ecuadorian Embassy's balcony, requesting that the Obama administration stop its "Wikileaks Witch-Hunt" and set Pfc. Bradley Manning free. Also requested: his own unicorn and time machine   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 486
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2012-08-19 02:10:39 PM
"There's no legal action he can take now. All he can do is make these public calls for people to do things he would like them to do and play a waiting game with the British authorities.

"The British government is likely to think that time is on their side. It's Julian Assange who is stuck in this embassy. It's the Ecuadoreans who have the problem of him on their hands and perhaps one of them is likely to tire of the situation before Britain."


That's a good synopsis. He can biatch about us all he wants, but he's still a prisoner and Sweden still wants him.
 
2012-08-19 03:10:08 PM
If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.
 
2012-08-19 03:12:21 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.


He gets contributions, too. The sort who might give him money want to believe we are behind every bad event, and he plays them like a violin.
 
2012-08-19 03:15:24 PM

St_Francis_P: DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.

He gets contributions, too. The sort who might give him money want to believe we are behind every bad event, and he plays them like a violin.


Yeah. £240k worth of bail money he persuaded his friends to put up that's now gone, for example.
 
2012-08-19 04:06:26 PM
I'm still figuring out how to deal with the cognitive dissonance of these two related stories from this summer. Story 1: U.S. uses diplomatic Asylum to rescue dissident. Story 2: U.S. rejects concept of diplomatic asylum.

Article #1

Article #2
 
2012-08-19 04:11:07 PM

Triumph: I'm still figuring out how to deal with the cognitive dissonance of these two related stories from this summer. Story 1: U.S. uses diplomatic Asylum to rescue dissident. Story 2: U.S. rejects concept of diplomatic asylum.

Article #1

Article #2

After several days in hiding, after a car chase and near arrest by Beijing authorities, he sought refuge at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing on Friday, April 27.

U. S. Officials were then tasked with an unusual request from a known dissident in any country: Chen wanted to remain in China with guarantees of safety and the freedom to continue his work.

Unlike the more straightforward process of securing asylum, U.S. officials embarked on an effort to strike an unprecedented deal with the Chinese that would satisfy all sides.


Sounds like they bypassed the legal question of asylum.
 
2012-08-19 05:04:45 PM

St_Francis_P: Unlike the more straightforward process of securing asylum, U.S. officials embarked on an effort to strike an unprecedented deal with the Chinese that would satisfy all sides.

Sounds like they bypassed the legal question of asylum.


Wow - you're right. I could have sworn they granted that guy asylum. High strangeness.
 
2012-08-19 05:21:19 PM
The Whale Whore guy, this Wikileaks guy (rhymes with rapist)... they've got some legit ideas in there, but then they are massive douchebags, so it pretty much negates anything else that comes out of their narcissistic pie holes.
 
2012-08-19 05:21:48 PM
They should call Lemmiwinks.
 
2012-08-19 05:21:50 PM

St_Francis_P: Triumph: I'm still figuring out how to deal with the cognitive dissonance of these two related stories from this summer. Story 1: U.S. uses diplomatic Asylum to rescue dissident. Story 2: U.S. rejects concept of diplomatic asylum.

Article #1

Article #2

After several days in hiding, after a car chase and near arrest by Beijing authorities, he sought refuge at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing on Friday, April 27.

U. S. Officials were then tasked with an unusual request from a known dissident in any country: Chen wanted to remain in China with guarantees of safety and the freedom to continue his work.

Unlike the more straightforward process of securing asylum, U.S. officials embarked on an effort to strike an unprecedented deal with the Chinese that would satisfy all sides.

Sounds like they bypassed the legal question of asylum.



Well the direct answer is: The USA doesn't give a shiat unless it does.

"The United States is not a party to the 1954 OAS Convention on Diplomatic Asylum and does not recognize the concept of diplomatic asylum as a matter of international law," the State Department said in a statement." (neat huh)

Link
 
2012-08-19 05:23:42 PM
Does anyone else think that it is a bad idea to be on a balcony when several of the worlds superpowers are after you?
 
2012-08-19 05:25:37 PM

way south: Does anyone else think that it is a bad idea to be on a balcony when several of the worlds superpowers are after you?


He could have been taken out long before this, if that was our intention.
 
2012-08-19 05:26:00 PM
Wonder if his hosts are letting him smoke from the diplomatic stash ...
 
2012-08-19 05:26:02 PM
I've never even been to Wikileaks. I got my glimpse of the documents Manning leaked from cable news.
 
2012-08-19 05:26:08 PM

way south: Does anyone else think that it is a bad idea to be on a balcony when several of the worlds superpowers are after you?


No, he needs to be as visible and high profile as possible, it's his only hope.
 
2012-08-19 05:26:17 PM
Assange is a sekrit Teapartier, everything is Obama's fault.
 
2012-08-19 05:26:28 PM
Bah. The US doesn't give a damn about this douche. He likes to say/think so because it strokes his ego. Equador can have him. They will learn soon enough what an a-hole he is.
 
2012-08-19 05:28:25 PM
Remember when truth-telling was revered? Expected?
 
2012-08-19 05:29:57 PM
You know who else spoke from balconies?

/Mussolini
 
2012-08-19 05:30:17 PM
Cancel extradition for Assange ? Maybe, maybe not (Sweden may do whatever they please regarding the rape charges)

Pfc Bradley Manning still needs to be prosecuted, to the fullest extent.
 
2012-08-19 05:31:05 PM

BafflerMeal: "The United States is not a party to the 1954 OAS Convention on Diplomatic Asylum and does not recognize the concept of diplomatic asylum as a matter of international law," the State Department said in a statement." (neat huh)


I expect nothing less from a government that encourages willful ignorance in it's employees.
 
2012-08-19 05:31:20 PM

St_Francis_P:
That's a good synopsis. He can biatch about us all he wants, but he's still a prisoner and Sweden still wants him.


For what charges in Sweden? Pretty big international bullshiat for rape allegations don't you think? Not a single charge. They only want him extradited to "talk" to him.
 
2012-08-19 05:31:36 PM
I hope they hang this guy. And how did this guy speak from a balcony without getting sniped? Somebody dropped the ball.
 
2012-08-19 05:32:26 PM
I think all sexual predators should be 'disposed of'.
 
2012-08-19 05:32:42 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.


Are you familiar with the details of the case? What happened doesn't even come close to constituting rape. This is a smear job by the U.S. government. Think about it: there's a guy who threw egg all over your face. What's the best way to destroy his reputation? Indict him on bullshiat sex crime charges you invented. I'm surprised they didn't add that it was with a 13 year old girl to boot.
 
2012-08-19 05:32:45 PM

Rich Cream: You know who else spoke from balconies?

/Mussolini


The Pope?

ambassadors.net
 
2012-08-19 05:33:07 PM
Tear down this bonfire, Mr Obama
 
2012-08-19 05:33:40 PM
Lets review:

-The Swedes wanted Julian for sexual assault charges.
-He jumps bail in Britain and flees to the embassy after a British Court says "Yes the Swedes have a case, lets extradite him to the Swedes."
-He now causes the UK to take some fallout in the foreign sphere due to their attempts to get their hands on him and give him to Sweden.

The Swedes want him for sexual assault charges, the Brits want him because he gave them a black eye and bail jumped. If America wanted him, the CIA would have dealt with him along time ago. He's just using America as a boogeyman to avoid rape charges.

/also Manning has clearly committed treason. Assange clear didn't since he isn't a US citizen, but Pfc Manning is quite possibly a dead man
 
2012-08-19 05:34:18 PM
Wow there are a lot of CIA agents and Republicans in this thread. Is no one going to stick up for the guy who blew the whistle on a criminal administration that lied to the public to go to war?
 
2012-08-19 05:34:53 PM
Sex, Lies and Julian Assange (Four Corners) 45:min news program.

Link
 
2012-08-19 05:34:54 PM
I think the worst punishment for someone like Assange is to completely ignore him. Also, don't publish any of his op-eds. The speech sounded reasonable until he got to the "free Bradley Manning" part.

I can get behind the claim that publication of leaked documents should not be a crime.

If you are a member of an organization, and leak confidential documents of that organization to the press, that is a crime. Doesn't matter if you work for a company, the military, whatever. Sorry.
 
2012-08-19 05:36:31 PM

Tommy Moo: DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.

Are you familiar with the details of the case? What happened doesn't even come close to constituting rape. This is a smear job by the U.S. government. Think about it: there's a guy who threw egg all over your face. What's the best way to destroy his reputation? Indict him on bullshiat sex crime charges you invented. I'm surprised they didn't add that it was with a 13 year old girl to boot.


Note that I said sexual assault. Of course, anybody of any gender should be able to put an "if you use protection" qualifier on their consent to have sex with somebody, and (as is alleged) if she then woke up to discover him having unprotected sex, then that damn well does constitute rape.

Of course, what I think isn't particularly important, because it's not up to me to decide. It's up to the Swedish courts.
 
2012-08-19 05:37:31 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.


St_Francis_P: DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.

He gets contributions, too. The sort who might give him money want to believe we are behind every bad event, and he plays them like a violin.


legion_of_doo: The Whale Whore guy, this Wikileaks guy (rhymes with rapist)... they've got some legit ideas in there, but then they are massive douchebags, so it pretty much negates anything else that comes out of their narcissistic pie holes.


LargeCanine: Bah. The US doesn't give a damn about this douche. He likes to say/think so because it strokes his ego. Equador can have him. They will learn soon enough what an a-hole he is.


OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I hope they hang this guy. And how did this guy speak from a balcony without getting sniped? Somebody dropped the ball.


diaphoresis: I think all sexual predators should be 'disposed of'.



I see the American military apologists are all out in force today spreading bullshiat misinformation. Hopefully you are getting paid double time for working on a Sunday.
 
2012-08-19 05:37:39 PM
Heh does anyone else think that it is slightly funny that the country that granted him asylum has been cracking down on the press. Maybe he should start leaking about all that stuff happening in Ecuador...
 
2012-08-19 05:38:01 PM
Lots of people drinking the Kool-aid in this thread. Assange might be personally distasteful, but what he has exposed is far more damning.

Also, look up the manufactured Swedish case. The women admitted it was consensual, I think $omeone convinced them to press charges. Condom's break sometimes, it doesn't turn it in to rape.

This is a Witchhunt, the U.S. is correct for prosecuting Bradley Manning for his treasonous activity, but this business with Assange is the U.S.'s Pussy Riot.

Good for Ecuador.
 
2012-08-19 05:38:02 PM

St_Francis_P: way south: Does anyone else think that it is a bad idea to be on a balcony when several of the worlds superpowers are after you?

He could have been taken out long before this, if that was our intention.


Taking him out isn't the only bad thing that could happen to him if he hangs out in the open. But it's a distinct possibility since he's been painted as a public enemy.

/I'm more expecting to hear that the SAS has yanked him up by the scruff of his neck.
/He just hase to stray a footstep from the safe zone at the wrong moment.
/predictable movements or public appearances don't seem wise.
 
2012-08-19 05:38:06 PM

Tommy Moo: Wow there are a lot of CIA agents and Republicans in this thread. Is no one going to stick up for the guy who blew the whistle on a criminal administration that lied to the public to go to war?


ROFLMAO!!

Oh wait.. are you being serious?
 
2012-08-19 05:38:27 PM

Tommy Moo: Wow there are a lot of CIA agents and Republicans in this thread. Is no one going to stick up for the guy who blew the whistle on a criminal administration that lied to the public to go to war?


You can do a good thing and still be a reprehensible douche-bag.
 
2012-08-19 05:39:07 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: if she then woke up to discover him having unprotected sex, then that damn well does constitute rape.



And yet it took her 2 weeks to realize that, after changing her story, comparing notes with the other prostitute and bragging to her friends. The crime completely warrants the attention, insults and demands on him by the right wing apologists spread all over the internet.
 
2012-08-19 05:39:09 PM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: I hope they hang this guy. And how did this guy speak from a balcony without getting sniped? Somebody dropped the ball.


If LBJ were President, Assange would have been dispatched by now.
 
2012-08-19 05:39:10 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Tommy Moo: Wow there are a lot of CIA agents and Republicans in this thread. Is no one going to stick up for the guy who blew the whistle on a criminal administration that lied to the public to go to war?

You can do a good thing and still be a reprehensible douche-bag.


QFT
 
2012-08-19 05:40:22 PM
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-08-19 05:40:51 PM

Ikaros: DammitIForgotMyLogin: if she then woke up to discover him having unprotected sex, then that damn well does constitute rape.


And yet it took her 2 weeks to realize that, after changing her story, comparing notes with the other prostitute and bragging to her friends. The crime completely warrants the attention, insults and demands on him by the right wing apologists spread all over the internet.


Gee, if only there were a proper procedure for determining the truth of criminal allegations and the guilt or innocence of the accused party. Oh wait.


Also, that's probably the first time in my life i've ever been referred to as right wing. Odd.
 
2012-08-19 05:42:11 PM
Has everybody forgotten The Pentagon Papers? Or perhaps we've just become blase about our government lying to us all the time.
 
2012-08-19 05:42:12 PM

phenn: Remember when truth-telling was revered? Expected?


And done without an agenda?

Telling the truth means that... well... you tell the truth. Did Assange's website do that? I think you could make an sound argument that they did not. Wikileaks did a bang-up job of making the United States look like shiat, which, in itself, is a way of telling a lie. Does the government of the United States do bad things? Yes. Does it do bad things in a measure of quantity or quality that make it the ultimate evildoer in the world? No. Assange and quite a few other people in the "hacktivist" collective seem to disregard massive problems that exist in places like Russia and China in order to point out what could be statistically described as anomalies in the United States.

That, of course, speaks nothing of whether or not Assange is a coward. He is. For a man that wants the rest of the world to lay bare all of its shortcomings, he has no problem with doing everything he can to evade the forces that want to get him for his. Do we know if he really committed a sex crime in Sweden? No. But, if he were to remain true to the ideals that he espouses - that people should have to answer for crimes they are accused of, no matter what the possible outcome - he would face the trial and take what comes to him. Otherwise, he becomes this first-mover who is beyond reproach simply because he exposed others first. That's not the way the search for the ultimate truth works.
 
2012-08-19 05:42:15 PM
OMG that shiathead set up a website that advertised itself as a forum to publish leaked documents, and then he publishes leaked documents. Hell isn't hot enough.
 
2012-08-19 05:42:52 PM
What a nutball. How can he think of himself as a whistle blower when he endangered the lives of a lot of real whistleblowers in Afghanistan and elsewhere with his insanity? Mr Assange is living in his own private fantasy land with egomaniacal delusions of grandeur. It would be difficult to feel much pity for him if he gets poked with an umbrella before facing a trial,.
 
2012-08-19 05:43:26 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Ikaros: DammitIForgotMyLogin: if she then woke up to discover him having unprotected sex, then that damn well does constitute rape.


And yet it took her 2 weeks to realize that, after changing her story, comparing notes with the other prostitute and bragging to her friends. The crime completely warrants the attention, insults and demands on him by the right wing apologists spread all over the internet.

Gee, if only there were a proper procedure for determining the truth of criminal allegations and the guilt or innocence of the accused party. Oh wait.


Also, that's probably the first time in my life i've ever been referred to as right wing. Odd.


Same here. Whatever.
 
2012-08-19 05:44:29 PM

Marine1: phenn: Remember when truth-telling was revered? Expected?

And done without an agenda?

Telling the truth means that... well... you tell the truth. Did Assange's website do that? I think you could make an sound argument that they did not. Wikileaks did a bang-up job of making the United States look like shiat, which, in itself, is a way of telling a lie. Does the government of the United States do bad things? Yes. Does it do bad things in a measure of quantity or quality that make it the ultimate evildoer in the world? No. Assange and quite a few other people in the "hacktivist" collective seem to disregard massive problems that exist in places like Russia and China in order to point out what could be statistically described as anomalies in the United States.

That, of course, speaks nothing of whether or not Assange is a coward. He is. For a man that wants the rest of the world to lay bare all of its shortcomings, he has no problem with doing everything he can to evade the forces that want to get him for his. Do we know if he really committed a sex crime in Sweden? No. But, if he were to remain true to the ideals that he espouses - that people should have to answer for crimes they are accused of, no matter what the possible outcome - he would face the trial and take what comes to him. Otherwise, he becomes this first-mover who is beyond reproach simply because he exposed others first. That's not the way the search for the ultimate truth works.


He hasn't been charged with a crime.
 
2012-08-19 05:44:48 PM

Tommy Moo: Wow there are a lot of CIA agents and Republicans in this thread. Is no one going to stick up for the guy who blew the whistle on a criminal administration that lied to the public to go to war?


Actually, the leaks about the US government from wikileaks showed that the US was saying in public the same things that they talked to eachother about in private. It is an overeager assumption that these leaks proved any kind of dirty laundry. Other countries, however, were caught being perfidious.

Tommy Moo: DammitIForgotMyLogin: If he's so terrified that of the USA extraditing him from Sweden then why the fark did he seek a residency permit there?

The spineless piece of shiat is just using the wikileaks stuff to muddy the waters and avoid being prosecuted for the sexual assaults.

Are you familiar with the details of the case? What happened doesn't even come close to constituting rape. This is a smear job by the U.S. government. Think about it: there's a guy who threw egg all over your face. What's the best way to destroy his reputation? Indict him on bullshiat sex crime charges you invented. I'm surprised they didn't add that it was with a 13 year old girl to boot.


Do you have any evidence that these charges had anything to do with the US government? Sweden has..... different... rape laws. I think Assange treated the Swedish woman badly and she wanted to get back at him.
 
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