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2012-08-19 12:03:23 PM
When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....
 
2012-08-19 12:42:04 PM
I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.
 
2012-08-19 12:44:57 PM

doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.


Yeah, there's lots of people down here who don't vote for minorities, ever. And they all vote Republican.
 
2012-08-19 12:51:53 PM

LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....


Those were "Southern Democrats" which in fact are far-right republicans and Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican. It didn't start there though .. To understand where this rift happened and how there is a great book called Team of Rivals which is about Lincoln's presidency but doesn't focus on the president wholly. It's a great read for someone trying to figure out how back-door politics works and explains why Lincoln was a Republican. I've also read Grants, FDRs, Ikes, Reagan, and Bush's biographys. All good reads even if you don't agree with policies.
 
2012-08-19 01:10:00 PM
This is why the Electoral College needs to DIAF. Yeah, these states are developing pockets of Democratic voters, but no way will Obama, or any other Democratic candidate in the foreseeable future, carry the state as a whole, so those votes are getting flushed down the shiatter.

And I hate the "If there's no electoral college, small states get neglected!" argument. As it is now, a candidate can write off a state they know they can't win: Obama can scratch off Georgia, say, and Romney can forget about California. But if the candidates have to hunt and scratch for every vote everywhere to win, they have to pay attention to the country as a whole, including places they may find irrelevant under the current system.
 
2012-08-19 01:20:57 PM

GAT_00: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

Yeah, there's lots of people down here who don't vote for minorities, ever. And they all vote Republican.


I'm a proud southerner myself (and Mrs. doyner is from Mississippi) and I see the southern political pathology as being a part of the larger picture; a demonstration of the nature of the southern mind.

Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population. It presents itself in the fervor of college football (see Auburn/Alabama, Ole Miss MS State, etc). in the righteous certainty of religious sects, the devotion to one brand of crappy American trucks ("I'd rather push a Ford then drive a Chevy"), and of course, politics.

The team sport aspect of politics itself is rooted in the us v. them mentality. Desegregation is probably the clearest demonstration of this at play, but anything that may support a social safety net is easily and immoderately classified as someone from the "other" side winning by taking from your side. Ultimately, nuanced policy positions do not matter. One's true self interests do not matter. The health of the nation as a whole do not matter. Yo're born rooting for one team and by God you'll be loyal to it for the rest of your life.
 
2012-08-19 01:25:14 PM
America's penis is purple?
 
2012-08-19 01:35:40 PM

doyner: GAT_00: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

Yeah, there's lots of people down here who don't vote for minorities, ever. And they all vote Republican.

I'm a proud southerner myself (and Mrs. doyner is from Mississippi) and I see the southern political pathology as being a part of the larger picture; a demonstration of the nature of the southern mind.

Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population. It presents itself in the fervor of college football (see Auburn/Alabama, Ole Miss MS State, etc). in the righteous certainty of religious sects, the devotion to one brand of crappy American trucks ("I'd rather push a Ford then drive a Chevy"), and of course, politics.

The team sport aspect of politics itself is rooted in the us v. them mentality. Desegregation is probably the clearest demonstration of this at play, but anything that may support a social safety net is easily and immoderately classified as someone from the "other" side winning by taking from your side. Ultimately, nuanced policy positions do not matter. One's true self interests do not matter. The health of the nation as a whole do not matter. Yo're born rooting for one team and by God you'll be loyal to it for the rest of your life.


And the root of all of that is slavery. It started as protecting slavery, and then became despising carpetbaggers, then became segregation, and today it still IS segregation, they just don't call it that anymore.
 
2012-08-19 01:39:05 PM

GAT_00: doyner: GAT_00: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

Yeah, there's lots of people down here who don't vote for minorities, ever. And they all vote Republican.

I'm a proud southerner myself (and Mrs. doyner is from Mississippi) and I see the southern political pathology as being a part of the larger picture; a demonstration of the nature of the southern mind.

Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population. It presents itself in the fervor of college football (see Auburn/Alabama, Ole Miss MS State, etc). in the righteous certainty of religious sects, the devotion to one brand of crappy American trucks ("I'd rather push a Ford then drive a Chevy"), and of course, politics.

The team sport aspect of politics itself is rooted in the us v. them mentality. Desegregation is probably the clearest demonstration of this at play, but anything that may support a social safety net is easily and immoderately classified as someone from the "other" side winning by taking from your side. Ultimately, nuanced policy positions do not matter. One's true self interests do not matter. The health of the nation as a whole do not matter. Yo're born rooting for one team and by God you'll be loyal to it for the rest of your life.

And the root of all of that is slavery. It started as protecting slavery, and then became despising carpetbaggers, then became segregation, and today it still IS segregation, they just don't call it that anymore.


Oh, and before someone asks what it's called today, it's called voting for the Tea Party.
 
2012-08-19 01:41:35 PM

GAT_00: And the root of all of that is slavery. It started as protecting slavery, and then became despising carpetbaggers, then became segregation, and today it still IS segregation, they just don't call it that anymore.


I used to get a kick of going home in uniform and being the recipient of the adulation of the militaristic nationalists, only to blow their minds with my relatively liberal views. I don't do that at all any more (haven't for years)--it's just too damned dangerous these days.
 
2012-08-19 01:49:33 PM

jake_lex: This is why the Electoral College needs to DIAF. Yeah, these states are developing pockets of Democratic voters, but no way will Obama, or any other Democratic candidate in the foreseeable future, carry the state as a whole, so those votes are getting flushed down the shiatter.

And I hate the "If there's no electoral college, small states get neglected!" argument. As it is now, a candidate can write off a state they know they can't win: Obama can scratch off Georgia, say, and Romney can forget about California. But if the candidates have to hunt and scratch for every vote everywhere to win, they have to pay attention to the country as a whole, including places they may find irrelevant under the current system.


Yeah, but if I can win 1% point in California, then I get more votes than any realistic margin of victory in a state like Alaska, Wyoming, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Montana, etc. so I still will ignore low population states, since their votes can be made up elsewhere.

No, a better system is an electoral college system that isn't all-or-nothing. Make it something like a plurality win is a 60-40 split, 50.1% is 70-30, win by more than 5%, 80-20, by more than 8%, 90-10, and more than 10%, you get all the votes. That way even if you're polling 8 points down in Alabama, you can still win electoral votes by campaigning there if you can swing the election a point in your favor. It makes electoral math a lot more dynamic, and no state is totally off-limits.
 
2012-08-19 02:35:15 PM

nmrsnr: Yeah, but if I can win 1% point in California, then I get more votes than any realistic margin of victory in a state like Alaska, Wyoming, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Montana, etc. so I still will ignore low population states, since their votes can be made up elsewhere.

I fail to see why a one million voter gap in California shouldn't count more than a 500,000 voter gap in Alaska, Wyoming, and Montana.

No, a better system is an electoral college system that isn't all-or-nothing. Make it something like a plurality win is a 60-40 split, 50.1% is 70-30, win by more than 5%, 80-20, by more than 8%, 90-10, and more than 10%, you get all the votes. That way even if you're polling 8 points down in Alabama, you can still win electoral votes by campaigning there if you can swing the election a point in your favor. It makes electoral math a lot more dynamic, and no state is totally off-limits.
This is neither a sporting event nor a farking game show, and our "scoring system" shouldn't act like it is. I could understand a universal adoption of proportionally awarding electoral votes (a single state doing so is suicidal towards its influence, see "Coloradans Against a Really Dumb Idea", 2004), but your system sounds and is retarded.
 
2012-08-19 02:47:37 PM

doyner: GAT_00: And the root of all of that is slavery. It started as protecting slavery, and then became despising carpetbaggers, then became segregation, and today it still IS segregation, they just don't call it that anymore.

I used to get a kick of going home in uniform and being the recipient of the adulation of the militaristic nationalists, only to blow their minds with my relatively liberal views. I don't do that at all any more (haven't for years)--it's just too damned dangerous these days.


I go to school 5 minutes from a church that was shot up by someone wanting to kill liberals, openly proclaiming that. You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.
 
2012-08-19 02:53:17 PM

GAT_00: I go to school 5 minutes from a church that was shot up by someone wanting to kill liberals, openly proclaiming that. You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.


*checks profile*

Ah. Tennessee. Yeah.

There are a few places in the south where it's cool to be liberal. My personal favorites are Asheville, NC and Oxford, MS. Still, they're too few and far between.
 
2012-08-19 03:05:18 PM

nmrsnr: Yeah, but if I can win 1% point in California, then I get more votes than any realistic margin of victory in a state like Alaska, Wyoming, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Montana, etc. so I still will ignore low population states, since their votes can be made up elsewhere.


Well, under the current system, large states like CA, NY, and TX are ignored, which is lamer than ignoring AK, WY, RI, MT, etc

The EC is just plain stupid
 
2012-08-19 03:12:45 PM

Lionel Mandrake: large states like CA, NY, and TX are ignored,


I thought you were arguing against the EC.
 
2012-08-19 03:14:34 PM

doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.


Or Georgia. Or Tennessee. Or Kentucky. Or Arkansas. Or South Carolina.

The electoral college is farking stupid and should be scrapped.
 
2012-08-19 03:15:49 PM
It really doesn't matter if we keep the Electoral College or if we dump it and go straight popular vote. There are states in this country that will never vote for a certain party, regardless of the means by which the votes are divvied up. Alabama will never go blue again, New York will not go red. So even if we got rid of the EC, there aren't enough Democrats in Alabama, nor are there enough Republicans in New York.

What we need to do is make voting mandatory. Something like 40% of the electorate votes every 4 years, which is farking pathetic. More people give a shiat about who wins Dancing With The Stars, than who is elected President. When you're 18, you should be required to register to vote, and if you don't vote, unless you have a hardship, you're fined. Maybe $30 or something, and that money gets put in your town/city's coffers to fund public works projects, like a new playground in the inner city for kids, or refurbishing a local library.
 
2012-08-19 03:21:31 PM

doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.


I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?
 
2012-08-19 03:24:32 PM

doyner: Lionel Mandrake: large states like CA, NY, and TX are ignored,

I thought you were arguing against the EC.


Whoa, hey, yer talkin' to a Californian here, pal!

/ignoring Texas is OK, though
 
2012-08-19 03:26:06 PM

Dwight_Yeast: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?


He won Louisiana and Arkansas, and Georgia in 1992, but not Mississippi or Alabama.
 
2012-08-19 03:27:22 PM
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2012-08-19 03:27:25 PM

malaktaus: Dwight_Yeast: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?

He won Louisiana and Arkansas, and Georgia in 1992, but not Mississippi or Alabama.


So, basically, no.

/Louisiana isn't "The South"
 
2012-08-19 03:28:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?


Not all of it. In 1992, he only carried AR, TN, LA, and GA. I don't consider Kentucky the "Deep South", though he did win it. In 1996, he carried the same, minus GA and plus FL. The last Democrat to win the entire "Deep South" was Jimmy Carter.
 
2012-08-19 03:29:11 PM

Dwight_Yeast: malaktaus: Dwight_Yeast: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?

He won Louisiana and Arkansas, and Georgia in 1992, but not Mississippi or Alabama.

So, basically, no.

/Louisiana isn't "The South"


But it is the "Deep Derp."
 
2012-08-19 03:29:18 PM

jake_lex: This is why the Electoral College needs to DIAF. Yeah, these states are developing pockets of Democratic voters, but no way will Obama, or any other Democratic candidate in the foreseeable future, carry the state as a whole, so those votes are getting flushed down the shiatter.


Obama carried NC in 2008...not sure if that will happen again, but I was a little surprised in '08. I think NC also voted for GWB twice.
 
2012-08-19 03:29:25 PM
Dixiecrats, Silent Majority, blah blah blah.

Is it me or does "Solid South" sound like a euphenism for taking a duece
 
2012-08-19 03:29:35 PM

Coco LaFemme: It really doesn't matter if we keep the Electoral College or if we dump it and go straight popular vote. There are states in this country that will never vote for a certain party, regardless of the means by which the votes are divvied up. Alabama will never go blue again, New York will not go red. So even if we got rid of the EC, there aren't enough Democrats in Alabama, nor are there enough Republicans in New York.

What we need to do is make voting mandatory. Something like 40% of the electorate votes every 4 years, which is farking pathetic. More people give a shiat about who wins Dancing With The Stars, than who is elected President. When you're 18, you should be required to register to vote, and if you don't vote, unless you have a hardship, you're fined. Maybe $30 or something, and that money gets put in your town/city's coffers to fund public works projects, like a new playground in the inner city for kids, or refurbishing a local library.


Sweden and Australia get near 96%. Yes, make it compulsary or pay a $20 penalty. And how about weekend voting? A number of democracies have multiple voting days. But of course, isn't it better for Republican secretaries of state to dole out too few voting machines for minority (democratic) neighborhoods which results in people unable to vote due to long lines?
 
2012-08-19 03:29:43 PM
The white southern vote is still a pretty solid block for the GOP but the demographic changes within those states are making that block less and less powerful as we watch blue states turn purple.

The lessening of white privilege in America is what they fear most of all underneath all their rhetoric. 

When they whinge on about how "white guilt" got Obama elected that's what they're really talking about.
 
2012-08-19 03:32:30 PM
I'm from Arkansas (lived in 7 of the former Confederate states by age 30), and I recall precisely why Arkansas voted for Clinton. My parents were a prime example.

1) It got him out of Arkansas.
2) It would be good for the state in general.
 
2012-08-19 03:32:53 PM

doyner: But it is the "Deep Derp."


Morons, Swamp, and New Orleans.

/As someone told me years ago, "For New Orleanians everything is 'The North.'"
 
2012-08-19 03:33:33 PM

GAT_00: doyner: GAT_00: And the root of all of that is slavery. It started as protecting slavery, and then became despising carpetbaggers, then became segregation, and today it still IS segregation, they just don't call it that anymore.

I used to get a kick of going home in uniform and being the recipient of the adulation of the militaristic nationalists, only to blow their minds with my relatively liberal views. I don't do that at all any more (haven't for years)--it's just too damned dangerous these days.

I go to school 5 minutes from a church that was shot up by someone wanting to kill liberals, openly proclaiming that. You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.


I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.
 
2012-08-19 03:34:10 PM

doyner: I'm from Arkansas (lived in 7 of the former Confederate states by age 30), and I recall precisely why Arkansas voted for Clinton. My parents were a prime example.

1) It got him out of Arkansas.
2) It would be good for the state in general.


Carpet bombing and the assassination of the Walton and Tyson families would be go for Arkansas.
 
2012-08-19 03:34:32 PM

skipjack: I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.


Bless your heart.
 
2012-08-19 03:35:20 PM

xynix: LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....

Those were "Southern Democrats" which in fact are far-right republicans and Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican. It didn't start there though .. To understand where this rift happened and how there is a great book called Team of Rivals which is about Lincoln's presidency but doesn't focus on the president wholly. It's a great read for someone trying to figure out how back-door politics works and explains why Lincoln was a Republican. I've also read Grants, FDRs, Ikes, Reagan, and Bush's biographys. All good reads even if you don't agree with policies.


Made for some very interesting alliances in congress over the decades. Great stuff to learn about - too bad what passes for a government today is so clueless in comparison.
 
2012-08-19 03:35:45 PM

Dwight_Yeast: doyner: I'm from Arkansas (lived in 7 of the former Confederate states by age 30), and I recall precisely why Arkansas voted for Clinton. My parents were a prime example.

1) It got him out of Arkansas.
2) It would be good for the state in general.

Carpet bombing and the assassination of the Walton and Tyson families would be go for Arkansas.


That's just plain uncivil.

Arkansas is a fine place to live. It will go blue long before TN, MS, AL, and LA.
 
2012-08-19 03:36:22 PM
How soon we forget that Abraham Lincoln was a republican and the solid southern democrats were the party opposed to the abolition of slavery. The solid democratic south has been triangulated into oblivion and now it the GOPers who have taken the democrats' place in the flaming lynch mob. Xenophobia is nothing new in this country, as illustrated by the Know Nothing Party, which mainly existed in soon-to-be confederate states before the Civil War.

I think the GOPers are the new Know Nothings.
 
2012-08-19 03:36:44 PM

LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....


no, they just changed their party affiliation to "R" after the civil rights act.

prior to that, the "dixiecrats," as they were known, were bible-thumping racists that would make even today's tea party blush.
 
2012-08-19 03:36:54 PM

GAT_00: Oh, and before someone asks what it's called today, it's called voting for the Tea Party.


In your case they just call it being an idiot with a computer. Go back to playing Tetris, it's about all you're good for.
 
2012-08-19 03:37:21 PM

doyner: GAT_00: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

Yeah, there's lots of people down here who don't vote for minorities, ever. And they all vote Republican.

I'm a proud southerner myself (and Mrs. doyner is from Mississippi) and I see the southern political pathology as being a part of the larger picture; a demonstration of the nature of the southern mind.

Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population. It presents itself in the fervor of college football (see Auburn/Alabama, Ole Miss MS State, etc). in the righteous certainty of religious sects, the devotion to one brand of crappy American trucks ("I'd rather push a Ford then drive a Chevy"), and of course, politics.

The team sport aspect of politics itself is rooted in the us v. them mentality. Desegregation is probably the clearest demonstration of this at play, but anything that may support a social safety net is easily and immoderately classified as someone from the "other" side winning by taking from your side. Ultimately, nuanced policy positions do not matter. One's true self interests do not matter. The health of the nation as a whole do not matter. Yo're born rooting for one team and by God you'll be loyal to it for the rest of your life.


Nailed it.
 
2012-08-19 03:38:04 PM

xynix: Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican


It seems to have been Hubert Humphrey who gave him the kick in the ass to motivate him that way, though.

doyner: Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population.


It's probably related to what psychology calls "high need for cognitive closure".

Dwight_Yeast: I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?


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2012-08-19 03:42:34 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: How soon we forget that Abraham Lincoln was a republican and the solid southern democrats were the party opposed to the abolition of slavery.


Perhaps you missed the earlier discussion on the shift due to the civil rights movement?

HotIgneous Intruder: The solid democratic south has been triangulated into oblivion and now it the GOPers who have taken the democrats' place in the flaming lynch mob.


Actually, no. It's more that the flaming lynch mob changed party registrations.

HotIgneous Intruder: I think the GOPers are the new Know Nothings.


Although they're a bit less anti-Catholic than the old version, I'd mostly agree with that.

FlashHarry: prior to that, the "dixiecrats," as they were known, were bible-thumping racists that would make even today's tea party blush.


...in that most of the Tea Party is loathe to concede the degree that they are racist, while the Dixiecrats were loathe to concede that racism was a bad thing.
 
2012-08-19 03:51:28 PM
It should be noted that the Electoral College was created by the Founding Fathers because they rightfully understood that most of the general population is/was painfully uneducated and ignorant and they didn't trust a tyranny of the masses.
 
2012-08-19 03:52:10 PM

skipjack: GAT_00: doyner: GAT_00: ....... You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.

I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.


Give me a flying leaping freaking break.
Your area, Nashville, is the homeland of Bob Corker, and is not the same 'area' as Knoxville' where know-it-all Gat lives, he is talkative, hardly an idiotic martyr ... you must be jealous of his popularity.

Nor in your wildest is Nashville a dangerous place for a conservative, for crying out loud. Unless you mean longhair who prefer classical music. I'd be in peril their either way. Never go there. It's creepy. Like Dalls.

And don't start claiming you're in 'the same area as' Chattanooga, my fair city. If you come anywhere close you'll feel the warmth of how much we prefer you to stay in your rolling hills of horse country.
However, let us remember we do not live in Alabama.
 
2012-08-19 03:52:13 PM

Infernalist: It should be noted that the Electoral College was created by the Founding Fathers because they rightfully understood that most of the general population is/was painfully uneducated and ignorant and they didn't trust a tyranny of the masses.


Well, that and they saw the states as deserving a majority stake in deciding the presidency of the republic.
 
2012-08-19 03:52:38 PM

nmrsnr: jake_lex: This is why the Electoral College needs to DIAF. Yeah, these states are developing pockets of Democratic voters, but no way will Obama, or any other Democratic candidate in the foreseeable future, carry the state as a whole, so those votes are getting flushed down the shiatter.

And I hate the "If there's no electoral college, small states get neglected!" argument. As it is now, a candidate can write off a state they know they can't win: Obama can scratch off Georgia, say, and Romney can forget about California. But if the candidates have to hunt and scratch for every vote everywhere to win, they have to pay attention to the country as a whole, including places they may find irrelevant under the current system.

Yeah, but if I can win 1% point in California, then I get more votes than any realistic margin of victory in a state like Alaska, Wyoming, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Montana, etc. so I still will ignore low population states, since their votes can be made up elsewhere.

No, a better system is an electoral college system that isn't all-or-nothing. Make it something like a plurality win is a 60-40 split, 50.1% is 70-30, win by more than 5%, 80-20, by more than 8%, 90-10, and more than 10%, you get all the votes. That way even if you're polling 8 points down in Alabama, you can still win electoral votes by campaigning there if you can swing the election a point in your favor. It makes electoral math a lot more dynamic, and no state is totally off-limits.


Of course you still seem to be running under the assumption that low population states shouldn't be ignored. Politicians should be responsible to people, not to land area or lines on a map. Drawing a line on a map and saying "these people are more important than the people on the other side of the line" should be anathema in a democracy. People shouldn't be able to move from one place on the map to another and go from being completely ignored (in practise) in the electoral system to having a relatively large influence on the outcome (as much as anyone can in a country with 100s of millions of voters).
 
2012-08-19 03:53:19 PM
While the article had a lot of facts, none of which I could dispute, I cannot help but thinking that TFA temporarily lowered my IQ like ten points for its dizzbrained chattering that "not everything is 100% did you know there are exceptions."

/Which makes me wonder how much Fox News lowers IQs by stating "facts" that are often untrue.
 
2012-08-19 03:57:08 PM

GAT_00: doyner: GAT_00: doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.

Yeah, there's lots of people down here who don't vote for minorities, ever. And they all vote Republican.

I'm a proud southerner myself (and Mrs. doyner is from Mississippi) and I see the southern political pathology as being a part of the larger picture; a demonstration of the nature of the southern mind.

Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population. It presents itself in the fervor of college football (see Auburn/Alabama, Ole Miss MS State, etc). in the righteous certainty of religious sects, the devotion to one brand of crappy American trucks ("I'd rather push a Ford then drive a Chevy"), and of course, politics.

The team sport aspect of politics itself is rooted in the us v. them mentality. Desegregation is probably the clearest demonstration of this at play, but anything that may support a social safety net is easily and immoderately classified as someone from the "other" side winning by taking from your side. Ultimately, nuanced policy positions do not matter. One's true self interests do not matter. The health of the nation as a whole do not matter. Yo're born rooting for one team and by God you'll be loyal to it for the rest of your life.

And the root of all of that is slavery. It started as protecting slavery, and then became despising carpetbaggers, then became segregation, and today it still IS segregation, they just don't call it that anymore.


it's somewhat funny how this mentality is still alive today. I remember talking about how Memaw is a stupid word (it is.) and this guy from TN took it as if I made some kind of bigoted remark towards Southern Culture*. Certainly not all Southerners are like this, but there's a definite Inferiority Complex about quite a bit of them that's also reflected in their political dialogue (i.e. charges of elitism, True Americanism, etc. I also think a Southern Republican is more likely to get away with talking shiat about Northerners than a Northern Democrat would about Southerners.) It's really interesting how the repercussions of the Civil War are still being fought today (and are rather one-sided in their attacks!)


*It should be noted I was born in VA and lived there a total of 13 years. I currently live in NC. He apparently thinks anyone who lives outside of the South is a Yankee Son of a biatch and anyone not a in a podunk backwood is a city slicker of some sort. (i've never lived in a city.)
 
2012-08-19 03:57:53 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Carpet bombing and the assassination of the Walton and Tyson families would be go for Arkansas.


Arkansas homes don't have carpets.
 
2012-08-19 04:02:10 PM

Weigard: Dwight_Yeast: Carpet bombing and the assassination of the Walton and Tyson families would be go for Arkansas.

Arkansas homes don't have carpets.




One thing we do have over most of the rest of y'all is the basic civility not to insult people to their face. It's called manners.
 
2012-08-19 04:02:40 PM

Coco LaFemme: When you're 18, you should be required to register to vote, and if you don't vote, unless you have a hardship, you're fined.


i would much prefer heinlein's ideas on voting. some sort of national service required before voting.

watch one episode of leno's jaywalking or stewart's man in the street stuff. i DO NOT want those folks voting.
 
2012-08-19 04:08:12 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: How soon we forget that Abraham Lincoln was a republican and the solid southern democrats were the party opposed to the abolition of slavery. The solid democratic south has been triangulated into oblivion and now it the GOPers who have taken the democrats' place in the flaming lynch mob. Xenophobia is nothing new in this country, as illustrated by the Know Nothing Party, which mainly existed in soon-to-be confederate states before the Civil War.

I think the GOPers are the new Know Nothings.


As has already been mentioned a lot in this thread, the people who were Democrats in the wake of the Civil War changed parties. They were known as the Dixiecrats, and the Dixiescrats changed parties after Civil Rights. They swelled the ranks of the GOP during the period between 1968 to 1980, largely in response to the Republican Party's southern strategy. No one is forgetting the were Democrat. It's just that they are now Republicans. And members of the Tea Party.
 
2012-08-19 04:08:52 PM

doyner: skipjack: I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.

Bless your heart.


I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.
 
2012-08-19 04:10:52 PM

Weigard: Dwight_Yeast: Carpet bombing and the assassination of the Walton and Tyson families would be go for Arkansas.

Arkansas homes don't have carpets.


All the more reason we should bomb them with carpets.

doyner: One thing we do have over most of the rest of y'all is the basic civility not to insult people to their face. It's called manners.


I'm sorry, but Little Rock is one of the most depressing places I've ever been (and I live next to New Jersey!). I can't put my finger on what's wrong with the town, exactly, but if I ever pass through there again, I'm not even stopping to pee.

/I'm sure there are parts of Northern Arkansas that are staggeringly beautiful.
 
2012-08-19 04:12:12 PM

skipjack: I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.


At least you know where you stand. I'd rather that than b smiled at by a Southern who's actually just trying to figure out where to slip the knife in.
 
2012-08-19 04:12:40 PM

Infernalist: It should be noted that the Electoral College was created by the Founding Fathers because they rightfully understood that most of the general population is/was painfully uneducated and ignorant and they didn't trust a tyranny of the masses.


i believe that was the reason that the senate was originally chosen by state legislatures. the house was for the common rabble, the senate for the elites. sort of like the house of lords.
 
2012-08-19 04:14:27 PM

FlashHarry: Infernalist: It should be noted that the Electoral College was created by the Founding Fathers because they rightfully understood that most of the general population is/was painfully uneducated and ignorant and they didn't trust a tyranny of the masses.

i believe that was the reason that the senate was originally chosen by state legislatures. the house was for the common rabble, the senate for the elites. sort of like the house of lords.


The basic reason for both things, the reason we're a republic, not a democracy is that the Founding Fathers had all read Plato's Republic (and Greek history) and understood the dangers of the tyranny of the majority.
 
2012-08-19 04:14:27 PM

skipjack: doyner: skipjack: I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.

Bless your heart.

I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.


You have never been to Chicago. The day after I moved there, there was a blizzard. In March. I was walking from a convenience store to my temporary housing downtown when a cab pulled up along me. I waved him on explaining that I had no cash. He said, "Lady, it's a blizzard. Just get in the cab, I'll take you where you need to go." Never experienced anything like that in the south, certainly not in Nashville or Houston. If you stop and ask for directions in Chicago, half-a-dozen people will gather around trying to help you. Sure, you'll get half-a-dozen different directions, but everyone will try to help.
 
2012-08-19 04:15:41 PM

Dwight_Yeast: /Louisiana isn't "The South"


you wouldn't know that when living here. by all the measures of the south that are repugnant LA is right up there. fundie religion is schools? check. confederate battle flags? check. truck nuts? check. proud of your ignorance? check.

now i live here and like it but is in spite of not because of the above.
 
2012-08-19 04:22:38 PM

FlashHarry: Infernalist: It should be noted that the Electoral College was created by the Founding Fathers because they rightfully understood that most of the general population is/was painfully uneducated and ignorant and they didn't trust a tyranny of the masses.

i believe that was the reason that the senate was originally chosen by state legislatures. the house was for the common rabble, the senate for the elites. sort of like the house of lords.


Exactly so. Funny how that still seems to be the case today.
 
2012-08-19 04:25:17 PM
You're all forgetting that the original intent of the Electoral College was to choose a president. They had no idea that the system would evolve to what it is today. Although the foundation of political parties (or 'factions') had been laid, they were not yet a reality. When you voted in a presidential election, it was for electors that were not bound to anyone to choose a president. That system worked up until the two party system emerged and the electors became bound to a certain candidate instead of having freedom to vote for whomever they chose..
 
2012-08-19 04:26:03 PM

DeaH: skipjack: doyner: skipjack: I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.

Bless your heart.

I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.

You have never been to Chicago. The day after I moved there, there was a blizzard. In March. I was walking from a convenience store to my temporary housing downtown when a cab pulled up along me. I waved him on explaining that I had no cash. He said, "Lady, it's a blizzard. Just get in the cab, I'll take you where you need to go." Never experienced anything like that in the south, certainly not in Nashville or Houston. If you stop and ask for directions in Chicago, half-a-dozen people will gather around trying to help you. Sure, you'll get half-a-dozen different directions, but everyone will try to help.


That's Midwest hospitality for you. :)

It's like Southern hospitality but without all the veiled condescension.
 
2012-08-19 04:28:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: /Louisiana isn't "The South"


Eh, once you get farther north in the state, it is. South Louisiana is its own republic in many ways, and definitely has nothing in common with MS, AL, GA, etc.

But the reason I mention LA is that this is the state that once produced one of history's most powerful progressives, Huey Long. In those days, poor white people actually voted for the guy who was best positioned to help them. This trend continued through the Edwin Edwards years (another slimy bastard, but a true populist Democrat).

Now? Sheeeit. Unless you live in New Orleans (liberal almost to the point of hilarity) this place is all about the flags and the Jesus. Our volcano-hating governor just pushed through a voucher program that gives tax dollars to Christian schools that aren't vetted by the same public school standard (as a side note, when a Muslim school applied for these monies, several representatives had apoplectic fits). At the state level the Democratic party is considered neutered and irrelevant. As long as the GOP fights with wedge issue rhetoric and not ideas, Louisiana will never be blue again despite a rich history of being so.
 
2012-08-19 04:32:18 PM

dickfreckle: Unless you live in New Orleans (liberal almost to the point of hilarity) this place is all about the flags and the Jesus.


It's amazing how fast it switches to all of that once you cross into Jefferson/St. Tammany/St. Bernard Parrishes.
 
2012-08-19 04:38:59 PM

Mrtraveler01: That's Midwest hospitality for you. :)

It's like Southern hospitality but without all the veiled condescension.


Well said. Just the other day I was in a thread b*tching about the myth of Southern 'hospitality.' I'd rather you just say nothing at all then flash me a perfunctory, meaningless smile before talking sh*t about me behind my back.

As for the Midwest, I really can't recall meeting any assholes from that part of the country, except Bears fans. 

www.faniq.com 

/has this guy's face committed to memory so that if by some chance I run into him the next time I'm in Chicago, I can be certain I'm the right guy in the nuts
 
2012-08-19 04:39:00 PM

doyner: I'll buy the premise of the article when a Democrat wins MS and AL for the presidency.



the south is still solidly republican. it fits right in with being the ignorant, bible thumping, racists they are. the South and the GOP are two peas in a pod.

only Southerns are dumb enough to vote TWICE for george bush jr and then turn around after his nightmare presidency and vote for his white haired twin John McStain in 2008. they are, as a group, dumb as dirt.
 
2012-08-19 04:40:25 PM

Dwight_Yeast: The basic reason for both things, the reason we're a republic, not a democracy is that the Founding Fathers had all read Plato's Republic (and Greek history) and understood the dangers of the tyranny of the majority.


exactly. it's amazing how well it worked - at least until 1994, anyway. i'm not sure any document could account for the modern republican party and its atwater/rove bullshiat.
 
2012-08-19 04:42:13 PM
the South thinks FOX News is a trustworthy news source that gives them the straight facts. they think Hanjob Hannity (mr high school graduate) is a Journalist.

that is how dumb the South as a whole is.
 
2012-08-19 04:43:09 PM

Mrtraveler01: dickfreckle: Unless you live in New Orleans (liberal almost to the point of hilarity) this place is all about the flags and the Jesus.

It's amazing how fast it switches to all of that once you cross into Jefferson/St. Tammany/St. Bernard Parrishes.


Yeah, but that's typical of nearly any city in any part of America. The suburbs are where conservative white people tend to gather. I don't mean that there aren't plenty of Democrats out there as well (there are). But as a rule we "urban-dwelling elites" tend to gather one place while obsolete honkies (I can say that 'cos I'm white) gather in their own communities.

I've been to about a million cookie cutter suburbs and they're all basically the same, excepting perhaps the Bay Area and other obvious places. But suburban New Jersey has just as many flag-pimping jingoists as Jefferson Parish does.
 
2012-08-19 04:44:36 PM

dickfreckle: /has this guy's face committed to memory so that if by some chance I run into him the next time I'm in Chicago, I can be certain I'm punching the right guy in the nuts


Why are all my typos of the absolute worst, sentence-killing kind?
 
2012-08-19 04:44:42 PM

dickfreckle: Yeah, but that's typical of nearly any city in any part of America.


True. St. Louis is the same way.
 
2012-08-19 04:44:45 PM
The "Solid South" was a political fact, benefiting Democrats for generations and then Republicans, with Bible Belt and racial politics ruling the day.

WHAT? I thought only the demo-craps were the racist ones?
 
2012-08-19 04:47:55 PM

FlashHarry: Dwight_Yeast: The basic reason for both things, the reason we're a republic, not a democracy is that the Founding Fathers had all read Plato's Republic (and Greek history) and understood the dangers of the tyranny of the majority.

exactly. it's amazing how well it worked - at least until 1994, anyway. i'm not sure any document could account for the modern republican party and its atwater/rove bullshiat.



i guess the tyranny of the minority is ok, right? that is why it takes 60 out of 100 senators to pass a bill. that gives the 40 senators (a minority) the power to pass or not pass the bill.

a majority used to be 51 out of 100. now its 60 out of 100. that allows the minority to control the passage of a bill. and the wealthy in this Nation is a minority.

how do you like "republic" now, Freedom lover?
 
2012-08-19 04:48:52 PM

Richard Saunders: America's penis is purple?


lady liberty has a JJ not a penis.
 
2012-08-19 04:50:25 PM
Well, if you have millions of Yankees moving to the south who vote for the policies that caused them to leave the north in the first place, what did you expect?
 
2012-08-19 04:50:38 PM

invictus2: Dixiecrats, Silent Majority, blah blah blah.

Is it me or does "Solid South" sound like a euphenism for taking a duece



Solidly full of sh*t. that's the South. those f*ckers miss the good ole' days when they owned slaves. they're broke, many of them, yet they vote for the republicans who f*ck them in the ass every chance they get.

now that's dumb when u don't know who's cornholing you.
 
2012-08-19 04:51:47 PM

Linux_Yes: the South thinks FOX News is a trustworthy news source that gives them the straight facts. they think Hanjob Hannity (mr high school graduate) is a Journalist.

that is how dumb the South as a whole is.


Dude, you act as though the South is the sole repository of idiots in this country. We have a higher concentration of them, yes. But the rest of America isn't too far behind. Some of the most gaping assholes of the Teatard movement in elected positions in New York, Arizona, etc. Do I even need to bring up Michelle Bachmann's district voting for her again and again, no matter what public derpdown she has?

Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.
 
2012-08-19 04:52:29 PM

beta_plus: Well, if you have millions of Yankees moving to the south who vote for the policies that caused them to leave the north in the first place, what did you expect?



The South is the Anus of Lady Liberty.
 
2012-08-19 04:53:39 PM

Arkanaut: The "Solid South" was a political fact, benefiting Democrats for generations and then Republicans, with Bible Belt and racial politics ruling the day.

WHAT? I thought only the demo-craps were the racist ones?


Demo-craps are racists because they are exposing the Birther's racism.

/heritage, not hate

distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-19 04:53:42 PM

FlashHarry: Dwight_Yeast: The basic reason for both things, the reason we're a republic, not a democracy is that the Founding Fathers had all read Plato's Republic (and Greek history) and understood the dangers of the tyranny of the majority.

exactly. it's amazing how well it worked - at least until 1994, anyway. i'm not sure any document could account for the modern republican party and its atwater/rove bullshiat.


I would argue that part of the problem is that we don't expect most high school and/or college students to read the Republic any more.

/it's really not a hard read
//get the Allan Bloom translation
 
2012-08-19 04:54:45 PM

dickfreckle: Linux_Yes: the South thinks FOX News is a trustworthy news source that gives them the straight facts. they think Hanjob Hannity (mr high school graduate) is a Journalist.

that is how dumb the South as a whole is.

Dude, you act as though the South is the sole repository of idiots in this country. We have a higher concentration of them, yes. But the rest of America isn't too far behind. Some of the most gaping assholes of the Teatard movement in elected positions in New York, Arizona, etc. Do I even need to bring up Michelle Bachmann's district voting for her again and again, no matter what public derpdown she has?

Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.



good point. i know i'm inclined to piss on the South more. i spent most of my life in the south and i just resented how they could vote the way they vote. its amazing since they are some of the poorest people in the Union.

but yes, the Nation is full of idiots north and south, east and west. and hawaii too.
 
2012-08-19 04:56:08 PM
that reminds me:

there are only 2 kinds of Republicans:

1)weathly
2)Fools
 
2012-08-19 04:57:53 PM
distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com

I am not Polish. Nor am I Italian.

Both my parents were born here (in America). All 4 of my grandparents were born here (in America).

I am as native as you get.

I am not white; i am Native American.

OBAMA 2012
JOHNSON 2016
GOODBYE GOP
HELLO LIB

/white men hide behind the laws they create
//i don't hide
///i read
 
2012-08-19 04:58:16 PM
distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com

Amusing and ironic, as the (self-professed) REBELS who attacked Fort Sumner were the terrorists in that fracas.
 
2012-08-19 04:59:41 PM

Mantour: /heritage, not hate


I went to college in South Carolina. "Heritage, Not Hate" was a really big bumper sticker fad at the time (probably still is). One night I thought of the idea for my own bumper sticker, "It's Your Heritage I Hate."

Anyway, I genuinely thought about having some printed, but then figured it would just result in people getting beat up or shot at. At the very least their cars would be vandalized. Hell, we see that just for having the audacity of sporting an Obama/Biden sticker.
 
2012-08-19 04:59:45 PM

beta_plus: Well, if you have millions of Yankees moving to the south who vote for the policies that caused them to leave the north


You could vote for cold weather?
 
2012-08-19 05:00:33 PM

Mantour: Arkanaut: The "Solid South" was a political fact, benefiting Democrats for generations and then Republicans, with Bible Belt and racial politics ruling the day.

WHAT? I thought only the demo-craps were the racist ones?

Demo-craps are racists because they are exposing the Birther's racism.

/heritage, not hate

[distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]




Heritage based on hate is no heritage of which to be proud.
 
2012-08-19 05:06:08 PM

Linux_Yes: but yes, the Nation is full of idiots north and south, east and west. and hawaii too.


Lol, I forgot all about Hawaii. Has our unique, drug-resistant strain of retard stretched all the way out there, too?
 
2012-08-19 05:08:19 PM

urban.derelict: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

I am not Polish. Nor am I Italian.

Both my parents were born here (in America). All 4 of my grandparents were born here (in America).

I am as native as you get.

I am not white; i am Native American.

OBAMA 2012
JOHNSON 2016
GOODBYE GOP
HELLO LIB

/white men hide behind the laws they create
//i don't hide
///i read


Johnson 2016 ?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-19 05:08:27 PM

Dwight_Yeast: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Amusing and ironic, as the (self-professed) REBELS who attacked Fort Sumner were the terrorists in that fracas.


Also it means we must watch our for terrorists infiltrating the government, getting the majority needed to pass laws, and then put forward bills to outlaw slavery; if terrorists have used that method once, they are likely to try it again at some point in the future.
 
2012-08-19 05:09:03 PM

Jaicu: skipjack: GAT_00: doyner: GAT_00: ....... You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.

I live in the same area as you and it's no more dangerous to be a liberal than it is to be a conservative. But that doesn't sell your ridiculous brand of idiocy and martyrdom.

Give me a flying leaping freaking break.
Your area, Nashville, is the homeland of Bob Corker, and is not the same 'area' as Knoxville' where know-it-all Gat lives, he is talkative, hardly an idiotic martyr ... you must be jealous of his popularity.

Nor in your wildest is Nashville a dangerous place for a conservative, for crying out loud. Unless you mean longhair who prefer classical music. I'd be in peril their either way. Never go there. It's creepy. Like Dalls.

And don't start claiming you're in 'the same area as' Chattanooga, my fair city. If you come anywhere close you'll feel the warmth of how much we prefer you to stay in your rolling hills of horse country.
However, let us remember we do not live in Alabama.


Hey, I used to live in Alabama too. Huntsville, though that's a pretty moderate town. Well, was, it's going hard right in the last couple of years.

And yes, I do live in Knoxville. And while I don't consider myself in extreme danger, the only terrorist attack I can point to, unless of course you want to claim the Y-12 break-in as one, that has occurred near my home was a Fox News loving, Bill O'Reilly book buying conservative who went into a church with the specific goal of killing liberals.

That's a specific threat. I think it would be naive to pretend that there are not people near my home who would consider killing me for being a liberal.
 
2012-08-19 05:10:28 PM

Dwight_Yeast: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Amusing and ironic, as the (self-professed) REBELS who attacked Fort Sumner were the terrorists in that fracas.


They were simply protecting their homeland and culture against brutal assaults like emancipation and dentistry.
 
2012-08-19 05:11:54 PM

Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Well, if you have millions of Yankees moving to the south who vote for the policies that caused them to leave the north

You could vote for cold weather?


See, that's the #1 reason I can't live anywhere but the South or Southwest. I farking despise cold weather. I mean with a passion, man. I'm like a weather p*ssy. 58 degrees? Better set up camp for the night and drink my own piss.

The North has some of the greatest cities and attractions of all time, but you're never dragging my ass up there for longer than a month or so at a time. Preferably in July.
 
2012-08-19 05:13:19 PM

dickfreckle: Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Well, if you have millions of Yankees moving to the south who vote for the policies that caused them to leave the north

You could vote for cold weather?

See, that's the #1 reason I can't live anywhere but the South or Southwest. I farking despise cold weather. I mean with a passion, man. I'm like a weather p*ssy. 58 degrees? Better set up camp for the night and drink my own piss.

The North has some of the greatest cities and attractions of all time, but you're never dragging my ass up there for longer than a month or so at a time. Preferably in July.


Have you considered Santa Fe?
 
2012-08-19 05:16:46 PM

dickfreckle: Mantour: /heritage, not hate

I went to college in South Carolina. "Heritage, Not Hate" was a really big bumper sticker fad at the time (probably still is). One night I thought of the idea for my own bumper sticker, "It's Your Heritage I Hate."

Anyway, I genuinely thought about having some printed, but then figured it would just result in people getting beat up or shot at. At the very least their cars would be vandalized. Hell, we see that just for having the audacity of sporting an Obama/Biden sticker.


Maybe "Hope, Not Hate" would have made a good bumper sticker.
 
2012-08-19 05:16:49 PM
I don't know... I took a pretty "solid south" this morning and then I wiped my Romney.
 
2012-08-19 05:18:28 PM

Mantour: Johnson 2016 ?


Better chance than 2012, no doubt?
 
2012-08-19 05:20:07 PM

chuggernaught: Heritage based on hate is no heritage of which to be proud.


QFT
 
2012-08-19 05:26:25 PM
There apparently is no such thing as a "Solid South"

That's not what she said.


/see? I did the reverse, so it's hip and ironic
 
2012-08-19 05:34:50 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-19 05:39:00 PM
Bullshiat - one only needs to look at the business community down there. A lot of the screwball stuff regarding contract labor runs rampant down there given that there is no RTW for it.

It was too easy for businesses to appeal to or promote certain values that reflected favorably on Southern history. If you're a worker, you are told to "know your place" and stripped of freedoms, while business owners were given extra freedom.

The North on the other hand has considered workers and business owners as equals - since there was no profit in trying to run a place like a plantation.

Short of completing the job that Reconstruction started, I doubt that such will change. The best effort would come from a mass migration of Northerners that, in turn, change the government at each election cycle.
 
2012-08-19 06:15:01 PM

Mantour: Dwight_Yeast: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Amusing and ironic, as the (self-professed) REBELS who attacked Fort Sumner were the terrorists in that fracas.

They were simply protecting their homeland and culture against brutal assaults like emancipation and dentistry.


Also ironic that certain descendants of the Confederate Army formed a terrorist group, known as the Ku Klux Klan.
 
2012-08-19 06:22:18 PM

LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....


No. Then Civil Rights happened.
 
2012-08-19 06:24:13 PM

xynix: LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....

Those were "Southern Democrats" which in fact are far-right republicans and Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican. It didn't start there though .. To understand where this rift happened and how there is a great book called Team of Rivals which is about Lincoln's presidency but doesn't focus on the president wholly. It's a great read for someone trying to figure out how back-door politics works and explains why Lincoln was a Republican. I've also read Grants, FDRs, Ikes, Reagan, and Bush's biographys. All good reads even if you don't agree with policies.


How could Southern Democrats be far right republicans, when those families were Democrats since before the War?
 
2012-08-19 06:27:04 PM

Dwight_Yeast: skipjack: I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.

At least you know where you stand. I'd rather that than b smiled at by a Southern who's actually just trying to figure out where to slip the knife in.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-08-19 06:39:53 PM

abb3w: xynix: Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican

It seems to have been Hubert Humphrey who gave him the kick in the ass to motivate him that way, though.

doyner: Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population.

It's probably related to what psychology calls "high need for cognitive closure".

Dwight_Yeast: I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x203]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 350x203]


Ah yes, Indiana: the southernmost Northern state. An oasis of derp in a sea of industrialness. So what was going on with Kentucky and Tennessee, who are unabashedly .. uh, 'southern'? That Democrat 'pull the lever for D any D no matter what' thang you also see in Maryland, ruling the day?
 
2012-08-19 06:58:10 PM

doyner: GAT_00: I go to school 5 minutes from a church that was shot up by someone wanting to kill liberals, openly proclaiming that. You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.

*checks profile*

Ah. Tennessee. Yeah.

There are a few places in the south where it's cool to be liberal. My personal favorites are Asheville, NC and Oxford, MS. Still, they're too few and far between.


Is there some sort of underground system that can get you from Asheville to Oxford safely?
 
2012-08-19 07:05:12 PM
distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com

Preserving the factual knowledge of history is not in itself a hate crime. But when you try to preserve a culture of racism, yeah, that's a hate crime.
 
2012-08-19 07:05:53 PM
dletter
Is there some sort of underground system that can get you from Asheville to Oxford safely?


The Liberail
 
2012-08-19 07:16:20 PM
Electoral College has one advantage: it compartmentalizes voter tabulation fraud. Right now there's no good reason for someone in Alabama to try to alter the votes for president because it's going to go for Romney no matter what. If we went strictly by popular vote suddenly thousands of election officials at all levels across the country would have a strong motivation to mess with votes to cancel out votes in other states given the higher value most put on the presidental election over those down ballot.

If we're going to keep the EC, it should at least be changed to eliminate the two bonus votes each state gets regardless of population. There's no reason why a citizen in Wyoming should have several times more say than a citizen in California. Getting rid of the bonus votes would limit the difference to however much population change there has been since the last census which is much much smaller than that created in the bonus vote system.
 
2012-08-19 07:35:45 PM
After Virginia and North Carolina, next up (one day) will be Georgia. It will be glorious.
 
2012-08-19 07:38:38 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Preserving the factual knowledge of history is not in itself a hate crime. But when you try to preserve a culture of racism, yeah, that's a hate crime.


I feel very proud as an American the certain thoughts are now crimes.
 
2012-08-19 07:51:29 PM
Obama was born in the most Southern State of all.
 
2012-08-19 07:58:17 PM

mrshowrules: Obama was born in the most Southern State of all.


Yeah Kenya is at like the equator
 
2012-08-19 08:34:41 PM

sethstorm: Short of completing the job that Reconstruction started, I doubt that such will change. The best effort would come from a mass migration of Northerners that, in turn, change the government at each election cycle.


The northerners y'all keep sending down here are just making matters worse.
 
2012-08-19 08:38:11 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Dwight_Yeast: skipjack: I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.

At least you know where you stand. I'd rather that than b smiled at by a Southern who's actually just trying to figure out where to slip the knife in.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me
 
2012-08-19 08:59:37 PM

Curious: Coco LaFemme: When you're 18, you should be required to register to vote, and if you don't vote, unless you have a hardship, you're fined.

i would much prefer heinlein's ideas on voting. some sort of national service required before voting.

watch one episode of leno's jaywalking or stewart's man in the street stuff. i DO NOT want those folks voting.


Yeah, cause the armed forces only let in the best AND the brightest! The poster/pamphlet TOLD me so!
 
2012-08-19 09:10:51 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me


California was on the side of the Union during the Civil War, so yeah, I would imagine there's some old resentment there.

The history of whether or not new territories/states in the west would be free or slave states in the antebellum decades is pretty interesting. Particularly the whole Bloody Kansas episode.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/US_Slave_Free_178 9- 1861.gif
 
2012-08-19 09:22:42 PM
there are a fair number of Yankees who migrated to the South for retirement (but didn't go all the way to Florida). Don't be surprised that there's no monolithic Southern white vote, in areas where Yankees have diluted the electorate.
 
2012-08-19 09:36:30 PM

Zeno-25: Forbidden Doughnut: Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me

California was on the side of the Union during the Civil War, so yeah, I would imagine there's some old resentment there.

The history of whether or not new territories/states in the west would be free or slave states in the antebellum decades is pretty interesting. Particularly the whole Bloody Kansas episode.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/US_Slave_Free_178 9- 1861.gif


Yeah, a lot of people gloss over the fact that the Southern secession documents frequently mention the fact that they wanted slavery to expand in the territories won in the Mexican/American War. There was even some resistance to fighting that war in the first place, because they knew it would lead to further divisiveness over what to do with the territory.
 
2012-08-19 10:03:53 PM

Egalitarian: there are a fair number of Yankees who migrated to the South for retirement (but didn't go all the way to Florida). Don't be surprised that there's no monolithic Southern white vote, in areas where Yankees have diluted the electorate.


And many times these retirees actually add to the derp: many of them moved out to the 'burbs the moment a black family even had the audacity to consider moving onto the block. And when these geezers move South, they feel a bit of dissapointment that Sheriff Bubba McBigot isn't nightsticking the black folk any more when they try to register to vote
 
2012-08-19 10:31:13 PM

dickfreckle:

Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.


Pretty much this; folks need to realize that the most segregated metropolitan areas aren't in the South, but the upper Midwest. Milwaukee takes the prize in case you're wondering. And the suburbs there have racial attitudes that are straight out of 1958 Alabama or 1975 South Africa.

And honestly, most of the business and educational centers down South are run by Democrats; with some being downright liberal: Chapel Hill, Asheville, New Orleans, and Atlanta come to mind. So in sum, anywhere important in the South is run by Democrats. As one poster noted, the moment you enter the suburbs, you enter Republican territory. And I've only seen one exception to that: Madison, Wisconsin.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone there is no stupidity or racism in the South. But what I am going to tell you is that those things exist in the North as well: Scott Walker, Michelle Bachmann, the NYPD, and Paul Ryan are not of the South
 
2012-08-19 10:56:27 PM

cmb53208: dickfreckle:

Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.

Pretty much this; folks need to realize that the most segregated metropolitan areas aren't in the South, but the upper Midwest. Milwaukee takes the prize in case you're wondering. And the suburbs there have racial attitudes that are straight out of 1958 Alabama or 1975 South Africa.

And honestly, most of the business and educational centers down South are run by Democrats; with some being downright liberal: Chapel Hill, Asheville, New Orleans, and Atlanta come to mind. So in sum, anywhere important in the South is run by Democrats. As one poster noted, the moment you enter the suburbs, you enter Republican territory. And I've only seen one exception to that: Madison, Wisconsin.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone there is no stupidity or racism in the South. But what I am going to tell you is that those things exist in the North as well: Scott Walker, Michelle Bachmann, the NYPD, and Paul Ryan are not of the South


It's just that the South has a history of being a bit more extreme in their resistance to integration.

Segregation academies

Link

True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.
 
2012-08-19 10:57:09 PM

cmb53208: Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.

Pretty much this; folks need to realize that the most segregated metropolitan areas aren't in the South, but the upper Midwest. Milwaukee takes the prize in case you're wondering. And the suburbs there have racial attitudes that are straight out of 1958 Alabama or 1975 South Africa.


no way anywhere in america beats mass as far as segregation. I grew up in a town of a little more than 15k folks I think in a 40 square mile enclave or there abouts.
town has been there forever.
it had one half black family (dad black, mom white).
this was the mid 1990's, the north shore of mass.
on the water.
not backwoodsy at all.
a dozen black kids bussed in from boston in the highschool.
try to imagine if the government had attempted to do it the other way around to integrate, bus a dozen white kids to the city 3 hours everyday. the president would have had to bring in the f*cking national guard.
 
2012-08-19 11:04:50 PM
Since the spread of air conditioning people have been moving to the south because the winters aren't as bad. So lots and lots of Dems from the north over the past 30 years. Mostly to the big cities.

And Californians. Lots of Californians.
 
2012-08-19 11:13:05 PM

HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.


This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.
 
2012-08-19 11:21:03 PM

dickfreckle: HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.


No worries, I can see where you're coming from. For what it's worth, I grew up in NY (Long Island), and a lot of people there had angst over integration in the 60s (these were the suburbs that many whites fled to), but there were no bombs, no segregation academies, no police with fire hoses, and no need to bring in the National Guard.
 
2012-08-19 11:43:06 PM

HighOnCraic: dickfreckle: HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.

No worries, I can see where you're coming from. For what it's worth, I grew up in NY (Long Island), and a lot of people there had angst over integration in the 60s (these were the suburbs that many whites fled to), but there were no bombs, no segregation academies, no police with fire hoses, and no need to bring in the National Guard.


to be fair, there would have been bombs if they wanted to bus the whites into the city to go to the black schools.
 
2012-08-19 11:54:40 PM

relcec: HighOnCraic: dickfreckle: HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.

No worries, I can see where you're coming from. For what it's worth, I grew up in NY (Long Island), and a lot of people there had angst over integration in the 60s (these were the suburbs that many whites fled to), but there were no bombs, no segregation academies, no police with fire hoses, and no need to bring in the National Guard.

to be fair, there would have been bombs if they wanted to bus the whites into the city to go to the black schools.


Therefore both regions are (hypothetically, despite any evidence) just as bad.

/Technically, the middle school and high school I went to were across the street from each other, along the main road that separated the black neighborhood from the white neighborhood, so no busing was needed.
 
2012-08-20 12:00:34 AM

HighOnCraic: Therefore both regions are (hypothetically, despite any evidence) just as bad.

/Technically, the middle school and high school I went to were across the street from each other, along the main road that separated the black neighborhood from the white neighborhood, so no busing was needed.


I thought you were in white suburbs like I grew up in the 1990s in. anyway, both regions were and are bad, but no, they weren't equally bad.
 
2012-08-20 12:04:36 AM

relcec: HighOnCraic: Therefore both regions are (hypothetically, despite any evidence) just as bad.

/Technically, the middle school and high school I went to were across the street from each other, along the main road that separated the black neighborhood from the white neighborhood, so no busing was needed.

I thought you were in white suburbs like I grew up in the 1990s in. anyway, both regions were and are bad, but no, they weren't equally bad.


I was in the blah suburbs; there were a few here and there in the middle of the white suburbs.
 
2012-08-20 12:08:15 AM

mr bad example: sethstorm: Short of completing the job that Reconstruction started, I doubt that such will change. The best effort would come from a mass migration of Northerners that, in turn, change the government at each election cycle.

The northerners y'all keep sending down here are just making matters worse.


Perhaps if the state governments of the South stopped trying to take our companies, there wouldn't be as many Northerners down there. Perhaps if said governments returned them, there wouldn't be a blood feud.
 
2012-08-20 12:28:30 AM

HighOnCraic:

It's just that the South has a history of being a bit more extreme in their resistance to integration.

Segregation academies

Link

True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.


I grew up in South Carolina, and there was a "segregation academy" in the town I grew up in. And oddly enought, the graduates were actually dumber than the kids who went to the public school. I'm not going to argue that there was no resistance in the South and that the South will somehow become an economic powerhouse-I've lived in Wisconsin for the past 21 years for a reason. But what I will say is that living in a state that had entire municipalities around Milwaukee formed on segregation is that everyone's guilty in this thing. Pointing fingers at the South and calling it a day won't solve anything
 
2012-08-20 12:35:41 AM

cmb53208: HighOnCraic:

It's just that the South has a history of being a bit more extreme in their resistance to integration.

Segregation academies

Link

True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

I grew up in South Carolina, and there was a "segregation academy" in the town I grew up in. And oddly enought, the graduates were actually dumber than the kids who went to the public school. I'm not going to argue that there was no resistance in the South and that the South will somehow become an economic powerhouse-I've lived in Wisconsin for the past 21 years for a reason. But what I will say is that living in a state that had entire municipalities around Milwaukee formed on segregation is that everyone's guilty in this thing. Pointing fingers at the South and calling it a day won't solve anything


I've acknowledged the existence of racism in the North in my previous posts, so I'm not simply pointing fingers at the South and walking away.
 
2012-08-20 12:36:40 AM
didn't realize long island had black neighborhoods back in the 1970's. I guess it was already fairly integrated.
on the northshore of mass it isn't like that, and certainly wasn't like that decades ago. in almost every town north of lynn on the coast there are tens of thousands of people in each town but just a handful of black people.
ipswich, marblehead, beverly, swampscott, danvers, nahant, newbury, salisbury, essex, rockport, rowley, etc. all up that north coast of mass there are less than 1% black folk. many places around 99% white.

almost all the families have lived their for centuries, and it has gotta be amongst the most racially homogeneous places in the country. a little strange considering how close boston actually is. 30 miles north of one of the biggest, oldest, and most racially diverse cities in the country and it is as white as appalachia or some tiny town in north dakota.
 
2012-08-20 12:48:51 AM

relcec: didn't realize long island had black neighborhoods back in the 1970's. I guess it was already fairly integrated.


Hempstead, Uniondale, Roosevelt, Lakeview are the ones I know of in Nassau (also some parts of Rockville Center, Baldwin, and Freeport). My family moved out there in the late 60s.

De La Soul has a song called Wonce Again Long Island that name-checks a few others.

"Man this be goin out to the kids from east smash (long island)
Amityville (long island)
To all my people out in Wyandanch, bayshore (long island)
C.I.'s in the place (long island)
Brinkwood, hempstead, all my (long island)
Brothers out in roosevelt, freeport (long island)
Uniondale to long beach (long island)
To them girls out in huntington (long island)"
 
2012-08-20 12:53:13 AM
As someone who grew up in TN, the state is about half-and-half, and switches every few years. West and middle TN are pretty blue, while east TN is very red. I've live in both areas, and the distinction is pretty obvious...but I've never felt "in danger" b/c of my views in one area or the other. But hey, stereotypes are fun!
 
2012-08-20 01:35:00 AM

jake_lex: This is why the Electoral College needs to DIAF. Yeah, these states are developing pockets of Democratic voters, but no way will Obama, or any other Democratic candidate in the foreseeable future, carry the state as a whole, so those votes are getting flushed down the shiatter.

And I hate the "If there's no electoral college, small states get neglected!" argument. As it is now, a candidate can write off a state they know they can't win: Obama can scratch off Georgia, say, and Romney can forget about California. But if the candidates have to hunt and scratch for every vote everywhere to win, they have to pay attention to the country as a whole, including places they may find irrelevant under the current system.


Keep the electoral college. just give every Indian tribe one electoral vote.
 
2012-08-20 02:45:41 AM

HighOnCraic: relcec: didn't realize long island had black neighborhoods back in the 1970's. I guess it was already fairly integrated.

Hempstead, Uniondale, Roosevelt, Lakeview are the ones I know of in Nassau (also some parts of Rockville Center, Baldwin, and Freeport). My family moved out there in the late 60s.

De La Soul has a song called Wonce Again Long Island that name-checks a few others.

"Man this be goin out to the kids from east smash (long island)
Amityville (long island)
To all my people out in Wyandanch, bayshore (long island)
C.I.'s in the place (long island)
Brinkwood, hempstead, all my (long island)
Brothers out in roosevelt, freeport (long island)
Uniondale to long beach (long island)
To them girls out in huntington (long island)"


I think I may have wrongly assumed all of the northeast was a provincial as Mass once you got out of the big cities.
 
2012-08-20 12:35:02 PM

LockeOak: After Virginia and North Carolina, next up (one day) will be Georgia. It will be glorious.


Turnout in 2008 was 74%, meaning 1.2 million registered voters didn't vote. McCain beat Obama by about 200,000.
 
2012-08-20 03:42:07 PM

Jaicu:

Give me a flying leaping freaking break.
Your area, Nashville, is the homeland of Bob Corker, and is not the same 'area' as Knoxville' where know-it-all Gat lives, he is talkative, hardly an idiotic martyr ... you must be jealous of his popularity.

Nor in your wildest is Nashville a dangerous place for a conservative, for crying out loud. Unless you mean longhair who prefer classical music. I'd be in peril their either way. Never go there. It's creepy. Like Dalls.

And don't start claiming you're in 'the same area as' Chattanooga, my fair city. If you come anywhere close you'll feel the warmth of how much we prefer you to stay in your rolling hills of horse country.
However, let us remember we do not live in Alabama.


Well...Bob Corker is a Chattanoogan...which means you have no idea what you're talking about and I would say you probably don't live in Chattanowhere.

/but thanks for playing.
 
2012-08-20 03:56:45 PM

DeaH:

You have never been to Chicago. The day after I moved there, there was a blizzard. In March. I was walking from a convenience store to my temporary housing downtown when a cab pulled up along me. I waved him on explaining that I had no cash. He said, "Lady, it's a blizzard. Just get in the cab, I'll take you where you need to go." Never experienced anything like that in the south, certainly not in Nashville or Houston. If you stop and ask for directions in Chicago, half-a-dozen people will gather around trying to help you. Sure, you'll get half-a-dozen different directions, but everyone will try to help.


I have. That is one thing missing from Nashville is a robust public transportation system like the L.

We don't get blizzards in Nashville, so yeah..that probably wouldn't have happened. Houston's so hot and humid that no one's nice. There are nice and mean people all over the country. I'll take southern nice/mean over northern nice/mean every day of the week.
 
2012-08-20 03:59:28 PM

GAT_00:
That's a specific threat. I think it would be naive to pretend that there are not people near my home who would consider killing me for being a liberal.


When you're on that cross...do you get splinters?
 
2012-08-20 04:03:13 PM

Forbidden Doughnut:

Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me


No...that's why I used a specific term of "northerner". If I were to be talking about someone on west coast, or in the great northwest...I would have used specific terms for those areas.

/but feel free to assume whatever you want.
 
2012-08-20 04:53:54 PM

skipjack: DeaH:

You have never been to Chicago. The day after I moved there, there was a blizzard. In March. I was walking from a convenience store to my temporary housing downtown when a cab pulled up along me. I waved him on explaining that I had no cash. He said, "Lady, it's a blizzard. Just get in the cab, I'll take you where you need to go." Never experienced anything like that in the south, certainly not in Nashville or Houston. If you stop and ask for directions in Chicago, half-a-dozen people will gather around trying to help you. Sure, you'll get half-a-dozen different directions, but everyone will try to help.

I have. That is one thing missing from Nashville is a robust public transportation system like the L.

We don't get blizzards in Nashville, so yeah..that probably wouldn't have happened. Houston's so hot and humid that no one's nice. There are nice and mean people all over the country. I'll take southern nice/mean over northern nice/mean every day of the week.


That's the beauty of geography. I like the northern mid-west. I belong here, and I am lucky enough to still get to live here. You like the south. You belong there, and you are lucky enough to still get to live there. I prefer the big dog friendliness of my area of the world. You prefer the type of friendliness from your area. It would be pretty uncourtly for either of us to say the other's region is not friendly.
 
2012-08-20 10:18:52 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: dletter
Is there some sort of underground system that can get you from Asheville to Oxford safely?

The Liberail


That has a stop in Austin, right?
 
2012-08-21 10:29:39 PM

skipjack: Jaicu:

Give me a flying leaping freaking break.
Your area, Nashville, is the homeland of Bob Corker, and is not the same 'area' as Knoxville' where know-it-all Gat lives, he is talkative, hardly an idiotic martyr ... you must be jealous of his popularity.

Nor in your wildest is Nashville a dangerous place for a conservative, for crying out loud. Unless you mean longhair who prefer classical music. I'd be in peril their either way. Never go there. It's creepy. Like Dalls.

And don't start claiming you're in 'the same area as' Chattanooga, my fair city. If you come anywhere close you'll feel the warmth of how much we prefer you to stay in your rolling hills of horse country.
However, let us remember we do not live in Alabama.

Well...Bob Corker is a Chattanoogan...which means you have no idea what you're talking about and I would say you probably don't live in Chattanowhere.

/but thanks for playing.


Bob was a Brentwood neighbor of Lamar's before he moved here to be mayor for a while. Nanny nanny poo poo.
 
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