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2012-08-19 05:39:00 PM  
Bullshiat - one only needs to look at the business community down there. A lot of the screwball stuff regarding contract labor runs rampant down there given that there is no RTW for it.

It was too easy for businesses to appeal to or promote certain values that reflected favorably on Southern history. If you're a worker, you are told to "know your place" and stripped of freedoms, while business owners were given extra freedom.

The North on the other hand has considered workers and business owners as equals - since there was no profit in trying to run a place like a plantation.

Short of completing the job that Reconstruction started, I doubt that such will change. The best effort would come from a mass migration of Northerners that, in turn, change the government at each election cycle.
 
2012-08-19 06:15:01 PM  

Mantour: Dwight_Yeast: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Amusing and ironic, as the (self-professed) REBELS who attacked Fort Sumner were the terrorists in that fracas.

They were simply protecting their homeland and culture against brutal assaults like emancipation and dentistry.


Also ironic that certain descendants of the Confederate Army formed a terrorist group, known as the Ku Klux Klan.
 
2012-08-19 06:22:18 PM  

LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....


No. Then Civil Rights happened.
 
2012-08-19 06:24:13 PM  

xynix: LordZorch: When I was a kid the "South" was so solidly democrat that it was just assumed (correctly) that it would vote a straight party ticket for all offices. Then the fundietards took over.....

Those were "Southern Democrats" which in fact are far-right republicans and Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican. It didn't start there though .. To understand where this rift happened and how there is a great book called Team of Rivals which is about Lincoln's presidency but doesn't focus on the president wholly. It's a great read for someone trying to figure out how back-door politics works and explains why Lincoln was a Republican. I've also read Grants, FDRs, Ikes, Reagan, and Bush's biographys. All good reads even if you don't agree with policies.


How could Southern Democrats be far right republicans, when those families were Democrats since before the War?
 
2012-08-19 06:27:04 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: skipjack: I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.

At least you know where you stand. I'd rather that than b smiled at by a Southern who's actually just trying to figure out where to slip the knife in.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-08-19 06:39:53 PM  

abb3w: xynix: Strom Thurmond pretty much started the final shift of the racist right to move from Democratic votes to Republican

It seems to have been Hubert Humphrey who gave him the kick in the ass to motivate him that way, though.

doyner: Quite simply, there is a basic need to be clearly and inextricably on one side of a bifurcated population.

It's probably related to what psychology calls "high need for cognitive closure".

Dwight_Yeast: I'm too lazy to look it up, but didn't Clinton carry the Deep South?

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Ah yes, Indiana: the southernmost Northern state. An oasis of derp in a sea of industrialness. So what was going on with Kentucky and Tennessee, who are unabashedly .. uh, 'southern'? That Democrat 'pull the lever for D any D no matter what' thang you also see in Maryland, ruling the day?
 
2012-08-19 06:58:10 PM  

doyner: GAT_00: I go to school 5 minutes from a church that was shot up by someone wanting to kill liberals, openly proclaiming that. You don't have to tell me about how dangerous it is to be a liberal in the South.

*checks profile*

Ah. Tennessee. Yeah.

There are a few places in the south where it's cool to be liberal. My personal favorites are Asheville, NC and Oxford, MS. Still, they're too few and far between.


Is there some sort of underground system that can get you from Asheville to Oxford safely?
 
2012-08-19 07:05:12 PM  
distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com

Preserving the factual knowledge of history is not in itself a hate crime. But when you try to preserve a culture of racism, yeah, that's a hate crime.
 
2012-08-19 07:05:53 PM  
dletter
Is there some sort of underground system that can get you from Asheville to Oxford safely?


The Liberail
 
2012-08-19 07:16:20 PM  
Electoral College has one advantage: it compartmentalizes voter tabulation fraud. Right now there's no good reason for someone in Alabama to try to alter the votes for president because it's going to go for Romney no matter what. If we went strictly by popular vote suddenly thousands of election officials at all levels across the country would have a strong motivation to mess with votes to cancel out votes in other states given the higher value most put on the presidental election over those down ballot.

If we're going to keep the EC, it should at least be changed to eliminate the two bonus votes each state gets regardless of population. There's no reason why a citizen in Wyoming should have several times more say than a citizen in California. Getting rid of the bonus votes would limit the difference to however much population change there has been since the last census which is much much smaller than that created in the bonus vote system.
 
2012-08-19 07:35:45 PM  
After Virginia and North Carolina, next up (one day) will be Georgia. It will be glorious.
 
2012-08-19 07:38:38 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: [distorttheinfo.files.wordpress.com image 640x480]

Preserving the factual knowledge of history is not in itself a hate crime. But when you try to preserve a culture of racism, yeah, that's a hate crime.


I feel very proud as an American the certain thoughts are now crimes.
 
2012-08-19 07:51:29 PM  
Obama was born in the most Southern State of all.
 
2012-08-19 07:58:17 PM  

mrshowrules: Obama was born in the most Southern State of all.


Yeah Kenya is at like the equator
 
2012-08-19 08:34:41 PM  

sethstorm: Short of completing the job that Reconstruction started, I doubt that such will change. The best effort would come from a mass migration of Northerners that, in turn, change the government at each election cycle.


The northerners y'all keep sending down here are just making matters worse.
 
2012-08-19 08:38:11 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Dwight_Yeast: skipjack: I like Tennessee. I've lived up north, out west and I like the South and it's people. Nothing like the cold blank stare of a northerner when you say hello.

At least you know where you stand. I'd rather that than b smiled at by a Southern who's actually just trying to figure out where to slip the knife in.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me
 
2012-08-19 08:59:37 PM  

Curious: Coco LaFemme: When you're 18, you should be required to register to vote, and if you don't vote, unless you have a hardship, you're fined.

i would much prefer heinlein's ideas on voting. some sort of national service required before voting.

watch one episode of leno's jaywalking or stewart's man in the street stuff. i DO NOT want those folks voting.


Yeah, cause the armed forces only let in the best AND the brightest! The poster/pamphlet TOLD me so!
 
2012-08-19 09:10:51 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me


California was on the side of the Union during the Civil War, so yeah, I would imagine there's some old resentment there.

The history of whether or not new territories/states in the west would be free or slave states in the antebellum decades is pretty interesting. Particularly the whole Bloody Kansas episode.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/US_Slave_Free_178 9- 1861.gif
 
2012-08-19 09:22:42 PM  
there are a fair number of Yankees who migrated to the South for retirement (but didn't go all the way to Florida). Don't be surprised that there's no monolithic Southern white vote, in areas where Yankees have diluted the electorate.
 
2012-08-19 09:36:30 PM  

Zeno-25: Forbidden Doughnut: Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me

California was on the side of the Union during the Civil War, so yeah, I would imagine there's some old resentment there.

The history of whether or not new territories/states in the west would be free or slave states in the antebellum decades is pretty interesting. Particularly the whole Bloody Kansas episode.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/US_Slave_Free_178 9- 1861.gif


Yeah, a lot of people gloss over the fact that the Southern secession documents frequently mention the fact that they wanted slavery to expand in the territories won in the Mexican/American War. There was even some resistance to fighting that war in the first place, because they knew it would lead to further divisiveness over what to do with the territory.
 
2012-08-19 10:03:53 PM  

Egalitarian: there are a fair number of Yankees who migrated to the South for retirement (but didn't go all the way to Florida). Don't be surprised that there's no monolithic Southern white vote, in areas where Yankees have diluted the electorate.


And many times these retirees actually add to the derp: many of them moved out to the 'burbs the moment a black family even had the audacity to consider moving onto the block. And when these geezers move South, they feel a bit of dissapointment that Sheriff Bubba McBigot isn't nightsticking the black folk any more when they try to register to vote
 
2012-08-19 10:31:13 PM  

dickfreckle:

Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.


Pretty much this; folks need to realize that the most segregated metropolitan areas aren't in the South, but the upper Midwest. Milwaukee takes the prize in case you're wondering. And the suburbs there have racial attitudes that are straight out of 1958 Alabama or 1975 South Africa.

And honestly, most of the business and educational centers down South are run by Democrats; with some being downright liberal: Chapel Hill, Asheville, New Orleans, and Atlanta come to mind. So in sum, anywhere important in the South is run by Democrats. As one poster noted, the moment you enter the suburbs, you enter Republican territory. And I've only seen one exception to that: Madison, Wisconsin.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone there is no stupidity or racism in the South. But what I am going to tell you is that those things exist in the North as well: Scott Walker, Michelle Bachmann, the NYPD, and Paul Ryan are not of the South
 
2012-08-19 10:56:27 PM  

cmb53208: dickfreckle:

Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.

Pretty much this; folks need to realize that the most segregated metropolitan areas aren't in the South, but the upper Midwest. Milwaukee takes the prize in case you're wondering. And the suburbs there have racial attitudes that are straight out of 1958 Alabama or 1975 South Africa.

And honestly, most of the business and educational centers down South are run by Democrats; with some being downright liberal: Chapel Hill, Asheville, New Orleans, and Atlanta come to mind. So in sum, anywhere important in the South is run by Democrats. As one poster noted, the moment you enter the suburbs, you enter Republican territory. And I've only seen one exception to that: Madison, Wisconsin.

I'm not going to try to convince anyone there is no stupidity or racism in the South. But what I am going to tell you is that those things exist in the North as well: Scott Walker, Michelle Bachmann, the NYPD, and Paul Ryan are not of the South


It's just that the South has a history of being a bit more extreme in their resistance to integration.

Segregation academies

Link

True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.
 
2012-08-19 10:57:09 PM  

cmb53208: Look, I get that it's popular to hate on the South, and that some people use it a means to feel better about their own neighborhoods. But I say to all of you - maybe clean up your own back yard first.

Pretty much this; folks need to realize that the most segregated metropolitan areas aren't in the South, but the upper Midwest. Milwaukee takes the prize in case you're wondering. And the suburbs there have racial attitudes that are straight out of 1958 Alabama or 1975 South Africa.


no way anywhere in america beats mass as far as segregation. I grew up in a town of a little more than 15k folks I think in a 40 square mile enclave or there abouts.
town has been there forever.
it had one half black family (dad black, mom white).
this was the mid 1990's, the north shore of mass.
on the water.
not backwoodsy at all.
a dozen black kids bussed in from boston in the highschool.
try to imagine if the government had attempted to do it the other way around to integrate, bus a dozen white kids to the city 3 hours everyday. the president would have had to bring in the f*cking national guard.
 
2012-08-19 11:04:50 PM  
Since the spread of air conditioning people have been moving to the south because the winters aren't as bad. So lots and lots of Dems from the north over the past 30 years. Mostly to the big cities.

And Californians. Lots of Californians.
 
2012-08-19 11:13:05 PM  

HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.


This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.
 
2012-08-19 11:21:03 PM  

dickfreckle: HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.


No worries, I can see where you're coming from. For what it's worth, I grew up in NY (Long Island), and a lot of people there had angst over integration in the 60s (these were the suburbs that many whites fled to), but there were no bombs, no segregation academies, no police with fire hoses, and no need to bring in the National Guard.
 
2012-08-19 11:43:06 PM  

HighOnCraic: dickfreckle: HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.

No worries, I can see where you're coming from. For what it's worth, I grew up in NY (Long Island), and a lot of people there had angst over integration in the 60s (these were the suburbs that many whites fled to), but there were no bombs, no segregation academies, no police with fire hoses, and no need to bring in the National Guard.


to be fair, there would have been bombs if they wanted to bus the whites into the city to go to the black schools.
 
2012-08-19 11:54:40 PM  

relcec: HighOnCraic: dickfreckle: HighOnCraic: True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

This is a fair assessment. All I meant when starting this conversation upthread is that many people who decry the South act as though their own communities run on unicorn farts and cotton candy. So I merely ask people to reflect on their own shameful environment before barging into a thread and claiming that the South is the reason America is such a farktarded nation.

Again, I'm hardly a South-will-rise-again apologist. But I've spent almost my entire adult life (barring a year or so here and there) in the South, so I sorta feel an urge to defend her when a bunch of jerks just outright dismiss her as worthless. We have a lot going on, down here, at least in the major cities. Hell, have you ever spent any time outside major cities in California? It's a farked-up place, almost as surreal as Alabama but sans the accent.

Bonus: if you can deal with the humidity in the South, the payoff is 63 degrees on a December afternoon! Gotta love that.

No worries, I can see where you're coming from. For what it's worth, I grew up in NY (Long Island), and a lot of people there had angst over integration in the 60s (these were the suburbs that many whites fled to), but there were no bombs, no segregation academies, no police with fire hoses, and no need to bring in the National Guard.

to be fair, there would have been bombs if they wanted to bus the whites into the city to go to the black schools.


Therefore both regions are (hypothetically, despite any evidence) just as bad.

/Technically, the middle school and high school I went to were across the street from each other, along the main road that separated the black neighborhood from the white neighborhood, so no busing was needed.
 
2012-08-20 12:00:34 AM  

HighOnCraic: Therefore both regions are (hypothetically, despite any evidence) just as bad.

/Technically, the middle school and high school I went to were across the street from each other, along the main road that separated the black neighborhood from the white neighborhood, so no busing was needed.


I thought you were in white suburbs like I grew up in the 1990s in. anyway, both regions were and are bad, but no, they weren't equally bad.
 
2012-08-20 12:04:36 AM  

relcec: HighOnCraic: Therefore both regions are (hypothetically, despite any evidence) just as bad.

/Technically, the middle school and high school I went to were across the street from each other, along the main road that separated the black neighborhood from the white neighborhood, so no busing was needed.

I thought you were in white suburbs like I grew up in the 1990s in. anyway, both regions were and are bad, but no, they weren't equally bad.


I was in the blah suburbs; there were a few here and there in the middle of the white suburbs.
 
2012-08-20 12:08:15 AM  

mr bad example: sethstorm: Short of completing the job that Reconstruction started, I doubt that such will change. The best effort would come from a mass migration of Northerners that, in turn, change the government at each election cycle.

The northerners y'all keep sending down here are just making matters worse.


Perhaps if the state governments of the South stopped trying to take our companies, there wouldn't be as many Northerners down there. Perhaps if said governments returned them, there wouldn't be a blood feud.
 
2012-08-20 12:28:30 AM  

HighOnCraic:

It's just that the South has a history of being a bit more extreme in their resistance to integration.

Segregation academies

Link

True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.


I grew up in South Carolina, and there was a "segregation academy" in the town I grew up in. And oddly enought, the graduates were actually dumber than the kids who went to the public school. I'm not going to argue that there was no resistance in the South and that the South will somehow become an economic powerhouse-I've lived in Wisconsin for the past 21 years for a reason. But what I will say is that living in a state that had entire municipalities around Milwaukee formed on segregation is that everyone's guilty in this thing. Pointing fingers at the South and calling it a day won't solve anything
 
2012-08-20 12:35:41 AM  

cmb53208: HighOnCraic:

It's just that the South has a history of being a bit more extreme in their resistance to integration.

Segregation academies

Link

True, there has also been resistance in the North, but Southerners were more serious about codifying racism into state law and massively resisting efforts by the Federal government to change things.

Boston was pretty bad in the 60s, but was nothing like Bombingham.

I grew up in South Carolina, and there was a "segregation academy" in the town I grew up in. And oddly enought, the graduates were actually dumber than the kids who went to the public school. I'm not going to argue that there was no resistance in the South and that the South will somehow become an economic powerhouse-I've lived in Wisconsin for the past 21 years for a reason. But what I will say is that living in a state that had entire municipalities around Milwaukee formed on segregation is that everyone's guilty in this thing. Pointing fingers at the South and calling it a day won't solve anything


I've acknowledged the existence of racism in the North in my previous posts, so I'm not simply pointing fingers at the South and walking away.
 
2012-08-20 12:36:40 AM  
didn't realize long island had black neighborhoods back in the 1970's. I guess it was already fairly integrated.
on the northshore of mass it isn't like that, and certainly wasn't like that decades ago. in almost every town north of lynn on the coast there are tens of thousands of people in each town but just a handful of black people.
ipswich, marblehead, beverly, swampscott, danvers, nahant, newbury, salisbury, essex, rockport, rowley, etc. all up that north coast of mass there are less than 1% black folk. many places around 99% white.

almost all the families have lived their for centuries, and it has gotta be amongst the most racially homogeneous places in the country. a little strange considering how close boston actually is. 30 miles north of one of the biggest, oldest, and most racially diverse cities in the country and it is as white as appalachia or some tiny town in north dakota.
 
2012-08-20 12:48:51 AM  

relcec: didn't realize long island had black neighborhoods back in the 1970's. I guess it was already fairly integrated.


Hempstead, Uniondale, Roosevelt, Lakeview are the ones I know of in Nassau (also some parts of Rockville Center, Baldwin, and Freeport). My family moved out there in the late 60s.

De La Soul has a song called Wonce Again Long Island that name-checks a few others.

"Man this be goin out to the kids from east smash (long island)
Amityville (long island)
To all my people out in Wyandanch, bayshore (long island)
C.I.'s in the place (long island)
Brinkwood, hempstead, all my (long island)
Brothers out in roosevelt, freeport (long island)
Uniondale to long beach (long island)
To them girls out in huntington (long island)"
 
2012-08-20 12:53:13 AM  
As someone who grew up in TN, the state is about half-and-half, and switches every few years. West and middle TN are pretty blue, while east TN is very red. I've live in both areas, and the distinction is pretty obvious...but I've never felt "in danger" b/c of my views in one area or the other. But hey, stereotypes are fun!
 
2012-08-20 01:35:00 AM  

jake_lex: This is why the Electoral College needs to DIAF. Yeah, these states are developing pockets of Democratic voters, but no way will Obama, or any other Democratic candidate in the foreseeable future, carry the state as a whole, so those votes are getting flushed down the shiatter.

And I hate the "If there's no electoral college, small states get neglected!" argument. As it is now, a candidate can write off a state they know they can't win: Obama can scratch off Georgia, say, and Romney can forget about California. But if the candidates have to hunt and scratch for every vote everywhere to win, they have to pay attention to the country as a whole, including places they may find irrelevant under the current system.


Keep the electoral college. just give every Indian tribe one electoral vote.
 
2012-08-20 02:45:41 AM  

HighOnCraic: relcec: didn't realize long island had black neighborhoods back in the 1970's. I guess it was already fairly integrated.

Hempstead, Uniondale, Roosevelt, Lakeview are the ones I know of in Nassau (also some parts of Rockville Center, Baldwin, and Freeport). My family moved out there in the late 60s.

De La Soul has a song called Wonce Again Long Island that name-checks a few others.

"Man this be goin out to the kids from east smash (long island)
Amityville (long island)
To all my people out in Wyandanch, bayshore (long island)
C.I.'s in the place (long island)
Brinkwood, hempstead, all my (long island)
Brothers out in roosevelt, freeport (long island)
Uniondale to long beach (long island)
To them girls out in huntington (long island)"


I think I may have wrongly assumed all of the northeast was a provincial as Mass once you got out of the big cities.
 
2012-08-20 12:35:02 PM  

LockeOak: After Virginia and North Carolina, next up (one day) will be Georgia. It will be glorious.


Turnout in 2008 was 74%, meaning 1.2 million registered voters didn't vote. McCain beat Obama by about 200,000.
 
2012-08-20 03:42:07 PM  

Jaicu:

Give me a flying leaping freaking break.
Your area, Nashville, is the homeland of Bob Corker, and is not the same 'area' as Knoxville' where know-it-all Gat lives, he is talkative, hardly an idiotic martyr ... you must be jealous of his popularity.

Nor in your wildest is Nashville a dangerous place for a conservative, for crying out loud. Unless you mean longhair who prefer classical music. I'd be in peril their either way. Never go there. It's creepy. Like Dalls.

And don't start claiming you're in 'the same area as' Chattanooga, my fair city. If you come anywhere close you'll feel the warmth of how much we prefer you to stay in your rolling hills of horse country.
However, let us remember we do not live in Alabama.


Well...Bob Corker is a Chattanoogan...which means you have no idea what you're talking about and I would say you probably don't live in Chattanowhere.

/but thanks for playing.
 
2012-08-20 03:56:45 PM  

DeaH:

You have never been to Chicago. The day after I moved there, there was a blizzard. In March. I was walking from a convenience store to my temporary housing downtown when a cab pulled up along me. I waved him on explaining that I had no cash. He said, "Lady, it's a blizzard. Just get in the cab, I'll take you where you need to go." Never experienced anything like that in the south, certainly not in Nashville or Houston. If you stop and ask for directions in Chicago, half-a-dozen people will gather around trying to help you. Sure, you'll get half-a-dozen different directions, but everyone will try to help.


I have. That is one thing missing from Nashville is a robust public transportation system like the L.

We don't get blizzards in Nashville, so yeah..that probably wouldn't have happened. Houston's so hot and humid that no one's nice. There are nice and mean people all over the country. I'll take southern nice/mean over northern nice/mean every day of the week.
 
2012-08-20 03:59:28 PM  

GAT_00:
That's a specific threat. I think it would be naive to pretend that there are not people near my home who would consider killing me for being a liberal.


When you're on that cross...do you get splinters?
 
2012-08-20 04:03:13 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut:

Question: Are those of us on the Left Coast ( Washington, Oregon, and California) considered "Northerners" by people in the South?

/ kinda sounds like a replacement word for "Yankee" to me


No...that's why I used a specific term of "northerner". If I were to be talking about someone on west coast, or in the great northwest...I would have used specific terms for those areas.

/but feel free to assume whatever you want.
 
2012-08-20 04:53:54 PM  

skipjack: DeaH:

You have never been to Chicago. The day after I moved there, there was a blizzard. In March. I was walking from a convenience store to my temporary housing downtown when a cab pulled up along me. I waved him on explaining that I had no cash. He said, "Lady, it's a blizzard. Just get in the cab, I'll take you where you need to go." Never experienced anything like that in the south, certainly not in Nashville or Houston. If you stop and ask for directions in Chicago, half-a-dozen people will gather around trying to help you. Sure, you'll get half-a-dozen different directions, but everyone will try to help.

I have. That is one thing missing from Nashville is a robust public transportation system like the L.

We don't get blizzards in Nashville, so yeah..that probably wouldn't have happened. Houston's so hot and humid that no one's nice. There are nice and mean people all over the country. I'll take southern nice/mean over northern nice/mean every day of the week.


That's the beauty of geography. I like the northern mid-west. I belong here, and I am lucky enough to still get to live here. You like the south. You belong there, and you are lucky enough to still get to live there. I prefer the big dog friendliness of my area of the world. You prefer the type of friendliness from your area. It would be pretty uncourtly for either of us to say the other's region is not friendly.
 
2012-08-20 10:18:52 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: dletter
Is there some sort of underground system that can get you from Asheville to Oxford safely?

The Liberail


That has a stop in Austin, right?
 
2012-08-21 10:29:39 PM  

skipjack: Jaicu:

Give me a flying leaping freaking break.
Your area, Nashville, is the homeland of Bob Corker, and is not the same 'area' as Knoxville' where know-it-all Gat lives, he is talkative, hardly an idiotic martyr ... you must be jealous of his popularity.

Nor in your wildest is Nashville a dangerous place for a conservative, for crying out loud. Unless you mean longhair who prefer classical music. I'd be in peril their either way. Never go there. It's creepy. Like Dalls.

And don't start claiming you're in 'the same area as' Chattanooga, my fair city. If you come anywhere close you'll feel the warmth of how much we prefer you to stay in your rolling hills of horse country.
However, let us remember we do not live in Alabama.

Well...Bob Corker is a Chattanoogan...which means you have no idea what you're talking about and I would say you probably don't live in Chattanowhere.

/but thanks for playing.


Bob was a Brentwood neighbor of Lamar's before he moved here to be mayor for a while. Nanny nanny poo poo.
 
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