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2012-08-19 06:19:27 PM
Performancers
 
2012-08-19 06:26:14 PM

mithras_angel: For every ninja that you don't see, there are two more ninjas that you don't see.


I'm going start using this.
 
2012-08-19 06:32:19 PM
As someone else pointed out, there are no "real" ninjas left and there haven't been any for hundreds of years.

I never participated in any modern ninjitsu incarnations, but from what I have read over at bullshido.net they are mostly play-fighting and scams.
 
2012-08-19 06:42:07 PM

mithras_angel: For every ninja that you don't see, there are two more ninjas that you don't see.


It's a little known fact that you are never more than 6 feet away from a ninja, at all times.
 
2012-08-19 06:50:48 PM

Beta Tested: As someone else pointed out, there are no "real" ninjas left and there haven't been any for hundreds of years.

I never participated in any modern ninjitsu incarnations, but from what I have read over at http://bullshido.net/ they are mostly play-fighting and scams.


I can't love that place enough. The work they do exposing martial arts frauds is truly inspired


Use the search window and see what comes up for Hatsumi especially any videos. His technique and training demos are a joke and his "ancient secret scrolls" are a fraud.


Gergesa: Agent Smiths Laugh: vodka: Ninjutsu is but one ray of light, the source of which can not be extinguished.

[i.imgur.com image 400x319]

Korean ninja...heh...that movie amuses me.

On a related note, on youtube there is a user named chosoninja who has a lot of Japanese detractors. Some of the Japanese users are damn funny in going after that particular korean.



I'm not Japanese or even a weeaboo anime fanboi but I'll detract on Chosoninja because he's a poser. He's just as big of a fraud as Hatsumi just in the early larval stages.
 
2012-08-19 07:00:59 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: vodka: Ninjutsu is but one ray of light, the source of which can not be extinguished.

[i.imgur.com image 400x319]

Korean ninja...heh...that movie amuses me.


Fools! That is not ninjitsu, but Sinangu!


Sinanju is the Sun Source, from which all other martial arts are but a single pale light.


The ninja dresses in black, he hides his face, and scurries in the darkness, like a cockroach, because he fears the Sun Souce that is Sinanju!
 
2012-08-19 07:04:30 PM
Pfft, this guy's no ninja. Where's his blaze orange?
 
2012-08-19 07:05:49 PM
Everything I learned about ninjas come from four awesome pizza eating sewer turtles. I'm well versed in the art of cowabungajitsu.
 
2012-08-19 07:05:57 PM

mithras_angel: For every ninja that you don't see, there are two more ninjas that you don't see.


That's why I put out a Ninja Hotel.

/Ninjas check in, but they don't check out.
 
2012-08-19 07:07:08 PM
Let's just hope that no one in his town drops a spoon.
 
2012-08-19 07:10:41 PM

Snarfangel: mithras_angel: For every ninja that you don't see, there are two more ninjas that you don't see.

That's why I put out a Ninja Hotel.

/Ninjas check in, but they don't check out.


Thread needs a scary tag....
Crushed one in the kitchen and the garage last week.

/hotel is better than teaching the kids la cucuracha.
 
2012-08-19 07:16:35 PM
pid.bungie.org

www.thetick.ws
 
2012-08-19 07:37:21 PM

cloud_van_dame: Right. If a ninja tells you there are no more ninjas, you are supposed to believe them?


I would, if I were you. It sounds legit.
 
2012-08-19 08:31:37 PM

One Bad Apple: I'm surprised there's any living ninjers left at all considering all the magical thinking that goes on.


The ninja were basically the SEALs of the feudal Japanese lords. Their "magic" was mostly disguises, incendiaries, and poison. They had some neat looking low profile weaponry for smuggling into hostile territory, but mostly they weren't much different from our special forces today. They had the best gear and the most unorthodox tactics, but they were quite real and nothing they did was anything but impressive strategy and darning execution of said strategy.

My favorite tactic, and one that repeats a lot in their history, is to light shiat on fire in the opposite direction of where you want attention drawn. It's bloody simple, but also really hard to beat. Light someone's house on fire, they'll have trouble watching the neighbor's door, even if they're expecting you.
 
2012-08-19 08:43:19 PM

ronaprhys: alkhemy: well, if you discount Masaaki Hatsumi, Grandmaster of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu Ryu, and declared by the Emperor of Japan to be a living national treasure. Dojos of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu school exist all over the world, and show no sign of fading away. I'd say the guy in the article is a little confused...

I'm betting you get to wear a uniform with piping on the pants, don't you? Or have you convinced your boss that a more tactical look is better for you when you patrol the foodcourt?


Im betting you've never shouted the words ," LOOK OUT !!! HES GOT A CHIMIGHANGA"!!!
 
2012-08-19 09:07:48 PM

TXEric: alkhemy: well, if you discount Masaaki Hatsumi, Grandmaster of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu Ryu, and declared by the Emperor of Japan to be a living national treasure. Dojos of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu school exist all over the world, and show no sign of fading away. I'd say the guy in the article is a little confused...

That reminds me - is Stephen Hayes (sp?) still around? I thought I had heard that he passed away some time back.


Hayes is still around, as are other Hatsumi students that run Genbukan and Jinenkan organizations.
 
2012-08-19 09:38:18 PM

TXEric: That reminds me - is Stephen Hayes (sp?) still around?


Why would anyone care? He has about as much of a Ninja as J.K. Rowling is a wizard.

/Just because you write books about to sell to ITG's doesn't mean you actually know what the hell you are doing.
 
2012-08-19 09:44:40 PM

Son of Thunder: alkhemy: well, if you discount Masaaki Hatsumi, Grandmaster of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu Ryu, and declared by the Emperor of Japan to be a living national treasure. Dojos of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu school exist all over the world, and show no sign of fading away. I'd say the guy in the article is a little confused...

Yup. When I saw the headline my first thought was "What, did Hatsumi die when I wasn't paying attention?"


Same. I know Hatsumi is getting a little old, but I thought he was in good health.

I know that the Bujinkan gets some disrespect from the MMA punks, but any classical school does. Of all the various schools claiming to teach ninjutsu, they have by-far the strongest claim to legitimacy.
 
2012-08-19 10:34:36 PM

Ghastly: [www.ghastlycomic.com image 500x292]
I thought I was the last ninja.


In a row!?
 
2012-08-19 10:43:17 PM

dmars: I am curious to the what the reply would be by the first two poster to the third poster here. Is the third guy correct or do you think he is just talking semantics.


See, from a certain perspective you are right it is semantics, but one of those men picked up and started teaching Ninjutsu later in life and one of those men was RAISED as a ninja made to stand in the cold, beaten to raise his pain tolerance etc etc, guess which one is an actual Ninja?

Also that same man has the oldest written Ninjutsu works in existence from a Ninja Clan that supposedly was founded some time before the 1400s and made extinct around 1580 and runs a museum.Same guy acknowledged by the Japanese Gov as a real ninja and caretaker of said documents and museum.

Again i encourage you to read the links, really worth the time.

Also Hattori Hanzō (1542-1596) - A samurai serving under Tokugawa Ieyasu. His ancestry in Iga province, along with ninjutsu manuals published by his descendants have led some sources to define him as a ninja.

DIDN'T see that coming.
 
2012-08-19 11:21:10 PM
www.rmlicensing.com
 
2012-08-20 12:00:30 AM

FabulousFreep: dmars:Is the third guy correct or do you think he is just talking semantics.


That sentence should have had a question mark at the end. My question wasn't favoring one side or the other and I was genuinely curious, so thank you for your comments.
 
2012-08-20 12:03:10 AM
What about Master Ninja Lee Van Cleef?

i154.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-20 01:31:26 AM
Sho Kosugi, anyone?
 
2012-08-20 03:27:59 AM

dmars: FabulousFreep: dmars:Is the third guy correct or do you think he is just talking semantics.

That sentence should have had a question mark at the end. My question wasn't favoring one side or the other and I was genuinely curious, so thank you for your comments.


Any claims up lineage back to feudal Japan (for the techniques) are highly suspect at best. Furthermore, ninjas were spies, not fighters, and all likelihood didn't have any kind of martial art of their own.

http://www.bullshido.org/Ninjitsu
 
2012-08-20 03:38:53 AM

alkhemy: well, if you discount Masaaki Hatsumi, Grandmaster of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu Ryu, and declared by the Emperor of Japan to be a living national treasure. Dojos of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu school exist all over the world, and show no sign of fading away. I'd say the guy in the article is a little confused...


Came here to say much the same thing, glad I don't have to.
 
2012-08-20 04:41:52 AM
fark this guy, fark ninjas, and fark Iga. I hope that town burns to the ground. Those racist farks make other Japanese people look like civil rights activists.

/They make a mean beef bowl, though.
 
2012-08-20 05:05:55 AM

doglover: The ninja were basically the SEALs of the feudal Japanese lords.


Yep. That's why I think there are still some of those guys in the Japanese military or intelligence services.

Maybe they aren't called ninjas these days.
 
2012-08-20 08:12:03 AM

Egalitarian: What about Master Ninja Lee Van Cleef?

[i154.photobucket.com image 200x150]


Redwing: Sho Kosugi, anyone?


There's no Kosugi like Sho Kosugi. Also, ninjas have the ability to hide their gut when they put on their shinobi shozoku (I had to look that up).
 
2012-08-20 08:46:37 AM

Egalitarian: What about Master Ninja Lee Van Cleef?

[i154.photobucket.com image 200x150]


"Things are not as they seem, Lee."
 
2012-08-20 09:40:36 AM

uttertosh: Enter the Ninja!?!!1?+


I saw them live 2 weeks ago.
So much win.
 
2012-08-20 10:08:08 AM

Beta Tested: dmars: FabulousFreep: dmars:Is the third guy correct or do you think he is just talking semantics.

That sentence should have had a question mark at the end. My question wasn't favoring one side or the other and I was genuinely curious, so thank you for your comments.

Any claims up lineage back to feudal Japan (for the techniques) are highly suspect at best. Furthermore, ninjas were spies, not fighters, and all likelihood didn't have any kind of martial art of their own.

http://www.bullshido.org/Ninjitsu


Ah, Bullshido. The ITG's who act as self-apponinted judges of what is "real" and "legitimate" martial arts.

Let me save the time for everybody else: Bullshido thinks everything that isn't Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and MMA is bad. Traditional martial arts are bad, any martial arts that involves spiritual teachings is a scam, and any martial art not focused on grappling is "ineffective".

While there are plenty of bozos in the Martial Arts world who need to be exposed, and many of them have shady claims of being ninjas (Bryce Dallas and his Konigun Ninjutsu cult, and Ashida Kim come to mind), Maasaki Hatsumi has a pretty strong claim to legitimacy. I know there have been a couple of questions about his

I posted on Bullshido a few times, when I saw them spreading blatant inaccuracies about an art I studied. They read an article online, treated it as gospel truth, then took single lines from that article to twist into elaborate arguments "proving" it was some McDojo scam. It was clear from their commentary that not a single one of them had ever even attended a single class of one of those schools. I tried to calmly, rationally, sensibly bring facts and dispel some misconceptions.

I was called deluded, insane, a fool, a "dancer" (because my school de-emphasized full contact sparring), and had people actually challenge me to duels. No joke, they wanted to meet me somewhere to fight me to prove the "effectiveness" of my training in a duel with them, and they would only shut up if I could beat them.

At that point I realized that Bullshido is crazy people, ITG's who watched too many MMA fights and think that only they are the real martial artists and everybody else (especially anybody studying traditional martial arts) are just gullible sheep paying fraudsters big bucks for belts while learning nothing about self defense.
 
2012-08-20 10:44:09 AM
Actually, that last picture is a still from the Japanese remake of Dead Ringers.

"Gynecological Instruments for Mutant Women"
 
2012-08-20 11:07:52 AM

Silverstaff:

Ah, Bullshido. The ITG's who act as self-apponinted judges of what is "real" and "legitimate" martial arts.

Let me save the time for everybody else: Bullshido thinks everything that isn't Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and MMA is bad. Traditional martial arts are bad, any martial arts that involves spiritual teachings is a scam, and any martial art not focused on grappling is "ineffective".

While there are plenty of bozos in the Martial Arts world who need to be exposed, and many of them have shady claims of being ninjas (Bryce Dallas and his Konigun Ninjutsu cult, and Ashida Kim come to mind), Maasaki Hatsumi has a pretty strong claim to legitimacy. I know there have been a couple of questions about his

I posted on Bullshido a few times, when I saw them spreading blatant inaccuracies about an art I studied. They read an article online, treated it as gospel truth, then took single lines from that article to twist into elaborate arguments "proving" it was some McDojo scam. It was clear from their commentary that not a single one of them had ever even attended a single class of one of those schools. I tried to calmly, rationally, sensibly bring facts and dispel some misconceptions.

I was called deluded, insane, a fool, a "dancer" (because my school de-emphasized full contact sparring), and had people actually challenge me to duels. No joke, they wanted to meet me somewhere to fight me to prove the "effectiveness" of my training in a duel with them, and they would only shut up if I could beat them.

At that point I realized that Bullshido is crazy people, ITG's who watched too many MMA fights and think that only they are the real martial artists and everybody else (especially anybody studying traditional martial arts) are just gullible sheep paying fraudsters big bucks for belts while learning nothing about self defense..



Judo is a traditional MA and it gets plenty of love there. Same with Kyokushin karate.Greco Roman wrestling even qualifies as an "ancient" martial art. What they all have in common is a verifiable record of effectiveness in real fights. Search YouTube all day long and you'll never see aikido actually deliver anything but compliant demos of useless techniques.

The Bullies called you out for being another "dry land swimmer". A theory spouting poser that is basically the equivalent of a creationist when it comes to proving your claims. If you think your style actually works you should have no problem trying it out on someone that isn't an unresisting and compliant uke acting out a prerehearsed and choreographed dance routine.



Bullshido.net isn't the judge of what is a legitimate martial art. Proof is. There are plenty of Bullies that are ammy and even pro fighters and not just in MMA. They win or lose fights based on proven techniques and not magical thinking wrapped up in psuedo philosophical bullshiat to obfuscate a lack of ability.


I wouldn't exactly call a an offer to spar a "duel" either.
 
2012-08-20 11:20:37 AM

santadog: uttertosh: Enter the Ninja!?!!1?+

I saw them live 2 weeks ago.
So much win.


lucky dog!!

I haz a envy... They are just mindblowing - you seen their short film? Hilarity is theirs.
 
2012-08-20 12:24:15 PM

One Bad Apple: home.comcast.net


Came for a Scott-Morris-drilled-by-Pat-Smith-in-UFC2 mention. Leaving happy.
 
2012-08-20 01:39:37 PM

One Bad Apple: Silverstaff:

Ah, Bullshido. The ITG's who act as self-apponinted judges of what is "real" and "legitimate" martial arts.

Let me save the time for everybody else: Bullshido thinks everything that isn't Brazillian Jiu Jitsu and MMA is bad. Traditional martial arts are bad, any martial arts that involves spiritual teachings is a scam, and any martial art not focused on grappling is "ineffective".

While there are plenty of bozos in the Martial Arts world who need to be exposed, and many of them have shady claims of being ninjas (Bryce Dallas and his Konigun Ninjutsu cult, and Ashida Kim come to mind), Maasaki Hatsumi has a pretty strong claim to legitimacy. I know there have been a couple of questions about his

I posted on Bullshido a few times, when I saw them spreading blatant inaccuracies about an art I studied. They read an article online, treated it as gospel truth, then took single lines from that article to twist into elaborate arguments "proving" it was some McDojo scam. It was clear from their commentary that not a single one of them had ever even attended a single class of one of those schools. I tried to calmly, rationally, sensibly bring facts and dispel some misconceptions.

I was called deluded, insane, a fool, a "dancer" (because my school de-emphasized full contact sparring), and had people actually challenge me to duels. No joke, they wanted to meet me somewhere to fight me to prove the "effectiveness" of my training in a duel with them, and they would only shut up if I could beat them.

At that point I realized that Bullshido is crazy people, ITG's who watched too many MMA fights and think that only they are the real martial artists and everybody else (especially anybody studying traditional martial arts) are just gullible sheep paying fraudsters big bucks for belts while learning nothing about self defense..


Judo is a traditional MA and it gets plenty of love there. Same with Kyokushin karate.Greco Roman wrestling even qualifies as an "an ...


I'm a police officer, I've used the training I've received in that school (far better than the fairly minimal training they gave at the academy) in the line of duty. I know it works. There are two other cops who regularly train at the same dojo I study at, and one (now-retired) Army Ranger who has had to use it in the line of duty, and it's worked for all them too. I also know that you don't engage in full-contact anything unless you accept a substantial risk of injury, a risk I hold higher than acceptable for valid training.

I didn't want, need, or care about the opinions of posters on Bullshido. I've got to the point where I don't care what ITGs say.

All I was trying to do was to correct some very blatant misinformation about the school I studied at, which I ran across in a Google search for more information about the school. For example, they took the simple fact that it was founded by a Christian and he tries to incorporate a religious viewpoint and teachings into the instruction, and thus they were certain that it was an elaborate scam to fleece Christians out of money, it was some kind of cult, it was just a watered down kiddy program for Christian families to send their kids to instead of Sunday School, and so on.

I would certainly call it a duel when they wanted to use a fight between two people, actual physical force, to resolve a dispute over something somebody was saying on the internet.

Also, so-called claims of "effectiveness" in the MMA fanboy community (such as Bullshido) center around how "groundfighting" techniques dominate prizefighting. I could go on about why this is a fallacious conclusion because prizefighting is an idealized circumstance so different from actual self-defense scenarios, but I think that would take a lot longer than I wanted this post to go.
 
2012-08-20 06:48:26 PM

alkhemy: well, if you discount Masaaki Hatsumi, Grandmaster of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu Ryu, and declared by the Emperor of Japan to be a living national treasure. Dojos of the Bujinkan Ninjutsu school exist all over the world, and show no sign of fading away. I'd say the guy in the article is a little confused...


I'd say you're the confused one, None of the Emperors of Japan gave their royal imprimatur to Hatsumi; according to Hatsumi's Wikipedia article, he received the "International Culture Award, Japan Cultural Promoting Association (physically issued by the Japanese Imperial Family)", but even that's an exaggeration; discounting the link from the South African Bujinkan (because, you know, they might just be a little biased), the only other source for that is an article in Black Belt magazine by "Staff Writer" which says that the award was presented by "a member of the Japanese Imperial Household."

That's a little vague, given that these people have names just like regular folk. Going back to Wikipedia, it turns out that the Imperial Household Agency does, in fact, dole out such awards, but not only does it not necessarily contain any actual members of the imperial family, but that historically it's often acted counter to their wishes; for example, [Crown Princess] Masako, for instance, was denied browsing a bookstore, visiting her family, or calling her old college friends around the world or even going out for a cup of coffee." Imagine someone trying that crap on Kate Middleton. So, yeah... whatever little plaque or netsuke or whatever they give out to old dudes whose main contribution to "promoting Japanese culture" consists of showing a few halfway-decent moves to gullible gaijin who like to wear black pajamas, I don't think that Akihito handed it over personally.
 
2012-08-20 08:25:00 PM

Silverstaff:


I'm a police officer,



Sure you are buddy. I bet you have a GED in law too.




I would certainly call it a duel when they wanted to use a fight between two people, actual physical force, to resolve a dispute over something somebody was saying on the internet.


Someone challenging you to spar over a disagreement about politics or declawing cats would be silly but challenging someone to actually demonstrate a claim of martial prowess by sparing does not seem unrelated to me.



Also, so-called claims of "effectiveness" in the MMA fanboy community (such as Bullshido) center around how "groundfighting" techniques dominate prizefighting. I could go on about why this is a fallacious conclusion because prizefighting is an idealized circumstance so different from actual self-defense scenarios, but I think that would take a lot longer than I wanted this post to go.



This bolded part makes me call BS on your claim to be a LEO. All cops learn some kind of grappling. Unless you're some toothless hick looking for excuses to enforce the Mann Act in Six Toe County Appalachia you've had something like judo or BJJ taught to you during defensive tactics. Yeah, it's kind of the latest fad but you can watch any episode of "COPS" on tv and call out the common grappling techniques as they get used.

Your Army Ranger buddy using aikido "in the line of duty" ? I flat out call BS on that too.

A question from the MABS thread I think you are referring to :

Can you answer the following:
How do your skills work against a boxer?
How do your skills work against a wrestler?
How do your skills work against a muay thai fighter?
How do your skills work against a sambo guy?
How do your skills work against a judo guy?
How do your skills work against a BJJ guy?
**Can embu help you with these?
**I mean, don't you test drive a car before you buy it?


You dodged that repeatedly and never followed through despite a promise to fully address it. It's exactly the kind of thing that an invitation to spar would answer too. Don't tell us. Show us.

Not once in that thread did you mention your LEO credentials BTW. Maybe you're a recent hire ?

We seem to have this whole thread to ourselves for the next 48 hours or so. Take as long as you want.


/Also ...Wiccan chi energy ? Really ?
//Sweet mother of Gaia what a dope you are
 
2012-08-20 09:35:10 PM

One Bad Apple: Silverstaff:


I'm a police officer,


Sure you are buddy. I bet you have a GED in law too.

I would certainly call it a duel when they wanted to use a fight between two people, actual physical force, to resolve a dispute over something somebody was saying on the internet.

Someone challenging you to spar over a disagreement about politics or declawing cats would be silly but challenging someone to actually demonstrate a claim of martial prowess by sparing does not seem unrelated to me.



Also, so-called claims of "effectiveness" in the MMA fanboy community (such as Bullshido) center around how "groundfighting" techniques dominate prizefighting. I could go on about why this is a fallacious conclusion because prizefighting is an idealized circumstance so different from actual self-defense scenarios, but I think that would take a lot longer than I wanted this post to go.


This bolded part makes me call BS on your claim to be a LEO. All cops learn some kind of grappling. Unless you're some toothless hick looking for excuses to enforce the Mann Act in Six Toe County Appalachia you've had something like judo or BJJ taught to you during defensive tactics. Yeah, it's kind of the latest fad but you can watch any episode of "COPS" on tv and call out the common grappling techniques as they get used.

Your Army Ranger buddy using aikido "in the line of duty" ? I flat out call BS on that too.

A question from the MABS thread I think you are referring to :

Can you answer the following:
How do your skills work against a boxer?
How do your skills work against a wrestler?
How do your skills work against a muay thai fighter?
How do your skills work against a sambo guy?
How do your skills work against a judo guy?
How do your skills work against a BJJ guy?
**Can embu help you with these?
**I mean, don't you test drive a car before you buy it?

You dodged that repeatedly and never followed through despite a promise to fully address it. It's exactly the kind of thing that an invi ...


Yes, I am a recent hire, graduated from the academy last year, just hit my one year anniversary of being a sworn peace officer. I cannot say exactly what department I work for due to our social media policy.

I don't have to explain myself to you, or justify my martial arts to you in any way. I don't care that you don't approve of my religion, that is your right to be bigoted against me. I dont seek your approval. I will not duel you or anybody else to "prove" that my skills work. I know they do, and I don't need an octagon to prove it,

However, running around on the Internet calling people liars is just plain rude, and the tendency of Bullshido to call every non-grappling art and things outside the MMA paradigm names is just childish. It is a website full of Internet Tough Guys.
 
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