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(Flagler Live)   GOP economics, explained by a Reaganite: "The plan was to have a strategic deficit that would give you an argument for cutting back the programs that weren't desired. It got out of hand"   (flaglerlive.com) divider line 148
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2012-08-19 10:06:19 AM  
that, in a nutshell, is why we are farked today.
 
2012-08-19 10:14:13 AM  
Still, cutting NPR will save us billions.
 
2012-08-19 10:16:11 AM  
The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.
 
2012-08-19 10:17:37 AM  

Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.


it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.
 
2012-08-19 10:20:53 AM  

FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.


I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .
 
2012-08-19 10:22:10 AM  

Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.


The ends justify the means

/as long as it's not them losing their lives, others are inconsequential
//it's been like that since the dawn of human time
 
2012-08-19 10:24:03 AM  
that was only one of the goals. the other main goal was to redistribute wealth to the top and put more of the burden on the lower classes.
 
2012-08-19 10:26:35 AM  

Bontesla: FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.

I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .


sure. that's why you have this huge social conditioning pogrom running in the corporate media linking religion ,race,nationalism etc to the party forming a cult like following dismissive of facts coming from any source but the party.
 
2012-08-19 10:27:30 AM  

Bontesla: FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.

I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .


That's where religion comes into play and their forever war against abortion.
 
2012-08-19 10:32:07 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Bontesla: FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.

I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .

sure. that's why you have this huge social conditioning pogrom running in the corporate media linking religion ,race,nationalism etc to the party forming a cult like following dismissive of facts coming from any source but the party.


But that cannot possibly be the end of this story. There's got to be a reckoning in the future.
 
2012-08-19 10:34:52 AM  
"strategic deficits." holy fark, is that ever a loaded term.
 
2012-08-19 10:35:39 AM  

Hobodeluxe: that was only one of the goals. the other main goal was to redistribute wealth to the top and put more of the burden on the lower classes.


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
 
2012-08-19 10:46:55 AM  

Bontesla: But that cannot possibly be the end of this story. There's got to be a reckoning in the future.


Eventually, but there's still plenty worse for it to get before it gets better. We'll probably have to have another Dark Ages before we get another Enlightenment.
 
2012-08-19 10:50:48 AM  
Could this bizarre sort of reasoning hold water in any other context besides the one found in national politics and economic policy? Could anyone else even suggest this kind of strategy in the real world and not be labelled a lunatic?

"I want my company to cut spending, so I'll deliberately make a shiatty product so that revenues will drop and we'll be forced to cut spending to balance the books."

"I want my dog to learn how to roll over, so I'll starve him until he doesn't have the strength to stand on his own power, then he'll be easy to roll over."

"I want my kid to stop drinking soda, so I'll stick him in a closet an cut off his water supply until he's wiling to drink the condensation off the rusty, old air-conditioner. Then he'll be easy to mold."
 
2012-08-19 11:10:12 AM  
Well put.
 
2012-08-19 11:51:27 AM  
this seems obvious and has so for years. why has the media never reported this? why does the average american not know this?
 
2012-08-19 11:58:11 AM  

aimtastic: Bontesla: But that cannot possibly be the end of this story. There's got to be a reckoning in the future.

Eventually, but there's still plenty worse for it to get before it gets better. We'll probably have to have another Dark Ages before we get another Enlightenment.


I was discussing this with my buddy a few weeks ago. Specifically, the likelihood of another revolution or civil war. People in the state are stock piling guns (which isn't unusual for an election cycle). But the call to revolt is fairly new. I've heard so many teatards threatening an armed revolution if President Obama is elected again. I imagine a sea of armed gray hairs storming the DC and I chuckle . . . but that threat is still hanging in the background.
 
2012-08-19 11:59:16 AM  
s14.postimage.org
 
2012-08-19 11:59:41 AM  

FlashHarry: this seems obvious and has so for years. why has the media never reported this? why does the average american not know this?


I posted this on my Facbook today and crickets.
 
2012-08-19 12:02:52 PM  

FlashHarry: this seems obvious and has so for years. why has the media never reported this? why does the average american not know this?


It is not in the media's interest to report the news.
 
2012-08-19 12:11:25 PM  

GAT_00: It is not in the media's interest to report the news.


well, it's funny how the last famous burst of yellow journalism coincided with the "gilded age" that the GOP seems so desperate to bring back. remember, adjusted for inflation, the fortunes of the rockefeller, vanderbilt and carnegie dwarfed those of buffett and gates today.
 
2012-08-19 12:17:26 PM  

Bontesla: FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.

I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .


This is why some of us stockpile guns and ammo....
 
2012-08-19 12:18:09 PM  

FlashHarry: why does the average american not know this?


Information vital to the economic well-being of the nation isn't sexy or interesting.
 
2012-08-19 12:26:35 PM  

FlashHarry: this seems obvious and has so for years. why has the media never reported this? why does the average american not know this?


Because the media is loberal, duh.
 
2012-08-19 12:26:36 PM  

LordZorch: Bontesla: FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.

I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .

This is why some of us stockpile guns and ammo....


You stockpile guns and ammo because you're an adolescent coward.
 
2012-08-19 12:27:10 PM  
Liberal, even.
 
2012-08-19 12:40:48 PM  
Too bad Hinckley didn't have better aim.
 
2012-08-19 01:01:11 PM  
August 1, 2010?!
 
2012-08-19 01:14:51 PM  

FlashHarry: this seems obvious and has so for years. why has the media never reported this? why does the average american not know this?


I have been saying this for years, and isn't this just restating what Norquist's whole "Starve the Beast" argument has been all along?

I said it yesterday and I'll say it, anyone who tells you Supply Side Economics works should be put in the same bin as The Flat Earth Society. They're actively trying to ignore reality, and no amount of therapy or medication will help.
 
2012-08-19 01:16:02 PM  

HawgWild: August 1, 2010?!


actually, it's really from the early 80s. yet it's still news. i wonder how that is...
 
2012-08-19 01:37:07 PM  
When I was a kid I remember the day my dad came home with the idea to sell our house and all our furnishings to take a whirlwind trip across the world. Mom was livid. She fought and fought, but ultimately dad convinced us how wonderful such an adventure would be. We spent the next few years seeing the great cities of the world. We ate the finest food, stayed in 5-star hotels, rode in limousines through the glorious international avenues. We lived like the rich and famous. It was amazing. This was the "dad" era of my childhood.

Then things changed. On the lat leg of our trip, dad had a heart attack after snorting too much blow at a lavish party in Monte Carlo. Mom saw her chance to take away from this lifestyle and we came home to north Florida. She claimed we were bankrupt. We went to crappy schools and still couldn't keep up. She worked two jobs. We had nothing. We were forced to live in a 400 square-foot apartment and work part time ourselves to put food on the table.

I'm an adult now and look back on the lessons of my childhood. The time with mom in charged sucked. It was awful. The time with dad in charge was amazing. It was life at its greatest.

He was the better parent.
Vote Republican.
 
2012-08-19 01:50:36 PM  

doyner: When I was a kid I remember the day my dad came home with the idea to sell our house and all our furnishings to take a whirlwind trip across the world. Mom was livid. She fought and fought, but ultimately dad convinced us how wonderful such an adventure would be. We spent the next few years seeing the great cities of the world. We ate the finest food, stayed in 5-star hotels, rode in limousines through the glorious international avenues. We lived like the rich and famous. It was amazing. This was the "dad" era of my childhood.

Then things changed. On the lat leg of our trip, dad had a heart attack after snorting too much blow at a lavish party in Monte Carlo. Mom saw her chance to take away from this lifestyle and we came home to north Florida. She claimed we were bankrupt. We went to crappy schools and still couldn't keep up. She worked two jobs. We had nothing. We were forced to live in a 400 square-foot apartment and work part time ourselves to put food on the table.

I'm an adult now and look back on the lessons of my childhood. The time with mom in charged sucked. It was awful. The time with dad in charge was amazing. It was life at its greatest.

He was the better parent.
Vote Republican.


That shiat just got you favourited.
 
2012-08-19 01:53:18 PM  
*I attribute the typos to the poor education I got while living with mom, btw.
 
2012-08-19 01:56:20 PM  

FlashHarry: this seems obvious and has so for years. why has the media never reported this? why does the average american not know this?


Because the liberal LSM media media is in the tank for...whoever does this.
 
2012-08-19 01:57:30 PM  
Odd, I thought this was common knowledge. Figured this out back in the 80's.

/get off my lawn
 
2012-08-19 01:57:37 PM  
Sociopath is too nice of a word for these people.
 
2012-08-19 02:00:46 PM  

doyner: *I attribute the typos to the poor education I got while living with mom, btw.


Have you referred her to your Obamacare death panel yet?
 
2012-08-19 02:01:10 PM  
The callousness of the regime was on full display with the way it handled the AIDS crisis. The documentary "Vito" shows footage of that time and it will make your blood run cold. His press secretary when asked about this new thing, AIDS, literally laughs and says "I don't have it, do you? I don't know anything about it." It's like listening to a serial killer play with the police. You can see why a lot of people still think the virus was created by the government.
 
2012-08-19 02:01:59 PM  

wejash: doyner: *I attribute the typos to the poor education I got while living with mom, btw.

Have you referred her to your Obamacare death panel yet?


My siblings and I disowned her for ruining our lives years ago.
 
2012-08-19 02:05:35 PM  

doyner: When I was a kid I remember the day my dad came home with the idea to sell our house and all our furnishings to take a whirlwind trip across the world. Mom was livid. She fought and fought, but ultimately dad convinced us how wonderful such an adventure would be. We spent the next few years seeing the great cities of the world. We ate the finest food, stayed in 5-star hotels, rode in limousines through the glorious international avenues. We lived like the rich and famous. It was amazing. This was the "dad" era of my childhood.

Then things changed. On the lat leg of our trip, dad had a heart attack after snorting too much blow at a lavish party in Monte Carlo. Mom saw her chance to take away from this lifestyle and we came home to north Florida. She claimed we were bankrupt. We went to crappy schools and still couldn't keep up. She worked two jobs. We had nothing. We were forced to live in a 400 square-foot apartment and work part time ourselves to put food on the table.

I'm an adult now and look back on the lessons of my childhood. The time with mom in charged sucked. It was awful. The time with dad in charge was amazing. It was life at its greatest.

He was the better parent.
Vote Republican.


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2012-08-19 02:07:52 PM  

schubie: You can see why a lot of people still think the virus was created by the government.


Now that doesn't make any sense! Republicans have proven over the past 30 years that they LOVE secret, gay sex (it's open gay relationships they hate). I don't think they would knowingly poison their own playground like that, and I'm pretty sure Democrats wouldn't want to risk losing a pretty solid voting block, so that should more than debunk such conspiracy theories.

/snark off
 
2012-08-19 02:08:25 PM  
It got out of hand

Or is going exactly as planned, depending on who you ask.
 
2012-08-19 02:09:47 PM  
fta And still, Republicans in Congress and across the country are staking their fortunes on more tax cuts,

At what point does the 'treason' stop sounding extremist and unrealistic?
 
2012-08-19 02:10:37 PM  

FlashHarry: "strategic deficits." holy fark, is that ever a loaded term.


Aka: wasting money so you can blame people you don't like and hurt them.
 
2012-08-19 02:12:13 PM  

PanicMan: Aka: wasting money so you can blame people you don't like and hurt them.


encrypted-tbn2.google.com
I'm intrigued by this idea. Go on.
 
2012-08-19 02:15:15 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

The ends justify the means

/as long as it's not them losing their lives, others are inconsequential
//it's been like that since the dawn of human time


Except there wasn't even an end. It was just an exercise of implementing the means.
 
2012-08-19 02:16:33 PM  

Bontesla: FlashHarry: Bontesla: The callous nature in which they handled literal life-and-death manners is startling. It was a game.

it was essentially the same as the iraq war. a bunch of elitist intellectuals transforming theory into practice without thought of the consequence.

I can't imagine this is a sustainable philosophy. Eventually, citizens are going to grow tired of being exploited. Right? They have to. . .


i1151.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-19 02:17:03 PM  

Arkanaut: It got out of hand

Or is going exactly as planned, depending on who you ask.


It got out of hand, as did any logic behind the arguments of why creators shouldn't pay taxes. Trickle-down never worked, and that fact won't change just because the name of the policy has been changed on every GOP budget since Reagan. All the GOP has left to say is, "we can't tell you our plans, you'll have to trust us."
 
2012-08-19 02:17:31 PM  
Hypothesis: The Chicago Boys and Reaganites were the results of an ideological weapons experiment by the Soviet Union that simply took too long to defeat their ideological opponents. The weapon was intended to inflict an absurd, self-destructive version of their opponents' ideology upon them. It's about to succeed, just too late to be useful to the Soviets.
 
2012-08-19 02:25:44 PM  
I just don't understand how anyone who has every taken an economics class doesn't understand this
 
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