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(USA Today)   Russians sue Madonna for A) 30 years of crap B) reimbursement for mind bleach C) millions to cover costs of being offended by her support of gay rights   (usatoday.com) divider line 43
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2012-08-19 01:40:29 PM
Dear Madonna,

Thank you for letting us develop our culture on our own.

Love, Other Countries
 
2012-08-19 01:43:15 PM
How can a country that produced T.A.T.U. not be in favor of gay rights?
 
2012-08-19 01:43:41 PM
Dang it, can't both sides lose?
 
2012-08-19 01:49:55 PM
Hate her or hate her, Madonna can pretty much do whatever she wants.
 
2012-08-19 01:50:53 PM
Yeah, I'm all for gay rights, but countries can decide on their own. They don't need our sluts interfering.
 
2012-08-19 01:52:25 PM

jiaxiaobo: Dear Madonna,

Thank you for letting us develop our eighteenth century culture on our own.

Love, Other Countries


FTFA
 
2012-08-19 01:54:44 PM
THIS is why an unfettered First Amendment is very important.
 
2012-08-19 01:54:49 PM

Whiteston: Yeah, I'm all for gay rights, but countries can decide on their own. They don't need our sluts interfering.


Yeah, I'm all anti-slavery and shiat, but countries can decide on their own. They don't need our blahs interfering.

/The Russian government is a bunch of dumbasses for letting her perform there if they didn't want her pro-gay shtick
 
2012-08-19 02:01:57 PM
Can't they charge her criminally with Hooliganism?
 
2012-08-19 02:04:15 PM
Okay, that's pretty strange for Russia to do to Madonna, because in February of this year, Rammstein performed "Bück Dich" which features (simulated) sodomy between male bandmembers complete with massive ejaculation all over the audience.

Link (sodomy starts at 6:00, but the whole "Frau" Schneider beating and kicking "her" dogs across the catwalk to their places on stage B is a hoot to watch)

Of course, Rammstein didn't desecrate a cross or show support for anti-Putin protesters....hmmm, maybe that's more likely why Madonna was singled out.
 
2012-08-19 02:07:55 PM
The always provocative Madonna
Now has the Russians claiming,"We're gonna...
Sue your skinny subversive ass!"
(Yes,yes,I know this is crass)
And her response? Butt slap + "You wanna?"
 
2012-08-19 02:17:14 PM

Whiteston: Yeah, I'm all for gay rights, but countries can decide on their own. They don't need our sluts interfering.


That's like saying countries can decide on their own about civil rights in general. They can decide but only some decisions are right. Human beings have inalienable rights regardless of what government they live under and the legitimacy of a government is proportionate to their ability to correctly identify and protect those rights.
 
2012-08-19 02:29:24 PM

Nem Wan: That's like saying countries can decide on their own about civil rights in general. They can decide but only some decisions are right. Human beings have inalienable rights regardless of what government they live under and the legitimacy of a government is proportionate to their ability to correctly identify and protect those rights.


I think Russia is more interested in giving as much of the Western world a middle finger as possible. If there was a UN vote on "is the sky blue?", they'd vote "nay" just because.
 
2012-08-19 02:52:37 PM

Mad_Radhu: How can a country that produced T.A.T.U. not be in favor of gay rights?


Because the rampant corruption present in the general Russian government, coupled with the anti-religious and anti-Pootin message means she didn't bribe anyone nearly enough.

Also, is it -really- a valid comparison to say 'slavery' or 'jews' to sexual orientation? I've done it too, because it's such an easy leap to make, but slavery is something inalienably worn ON your skin, you can't be black outside the workplace, or whatever. Whereas, sexual orientation, just generally isn't as obvious (unless it is, I guess). I'm not trolling, it's just something I've been thinking about lately.
 
2012-08-19 02:54:32 PM
FTA: Pochuyev was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying. "Modern civilization requires tolerance and respect for different values."

Yeah, you know, the tolerance and respect for different values you show by suing someone who expouses different values. Way to prove you're not a "modern civilization" Russia!
 
2012-08-19 02:55:50 PM

Whiteston: Yeah, I'm all for gay rights, but countries can decide on their own. They don't need our sluts interfering.


Civil rights are inalienable. Governments don't get to decide. And everyone, even a slut, has a duty to push for recognition of inalienable rights.
 
2012-08-19 03:07:26 PM
The answer is "C" - Pepetrating self-serving press stunts like this in another desperate bid to stay relevant and in the media, so clueless people who think she possesses one grain of talent will give her more money.
 
2012-08-19 03:24:40 PM
Would they even have the jurisdiction to sue her (providing she didn't go back to russia)?
 
2012-08-19 03:25:40 PM
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2012-08-19 03:27:10 PM

HarlequinGuy: The answer is "C" - Pepetrating self-serving press stunts like this in another desperate bid to stay relevant and in the media, so clueless people who think she possesses one grain of talent will give her more money.


What? You may hate her but she didn't bring this on her the corrupt Russian establishment did just like they did with pussy riot.
 
2012-08-19 03:45:13 PM
Russia. 1 step forward, 20 steps back. Under Putin they're right back to the mid 70's again.
 
2012-08-19 03:46:10 PM

silvervial: Okay, that's pretty strange for Russia to do to Madonna, because in February of this year, Rammstein performed "Bück Dich" which features (simulated) sodomy between male bandmembers complete with massive ejaculation all over the audience.

Link (sodomy starts at 6:00, but the whole "Frau" Schneider beating and kicking "her" dogs across the catwalk to their places on stage B is a hoot to watch)

Of course, Rammstein didn't desecrate a cross or show support for anti-Putin protesters....hmmm, maybe that's more likely why Madonna was singled out.


Actually...
 
2012-08-19 03:50:32 PM

indarwinsshadow: Russia. 1 step forward, 20 steps back. Under Putin they're right back to the mid 1910's again.


FTFY
 
2012-08-19 03:57:07 PM
I'm just going to place this here:

upload.wikimedia.org

/Koch Brothers would have set up a satellite office
 
2012-08-19 03:59:38 PM
The complaint includes a video taken at the concert showing Madonna stomping on an Orthodox cross

She has more balls than I thought.

But she is still a huge hypocrite.

/would be impressed if she pulled a stunt like this in Abu Dhabi.
 
2012-08-19 04:06:21 PM
The complaint includes a video taken at the concert showing Madonna stomping on an Orthodox cross

Not impressed/not totally dressed
 
2012-08-19 04:23:51 PM
Hey Russia, stop giving the Christian right in the U.S ideas.

But seriously, how long do you think it will be before a few red states try to pull this type of stuff. And by that I mean making it illegal to promote homosexuality to minors, then arresting gay rights advocates because a minor may have heard their message.
 
2012-08-19 04:52:28 PM
Ah Russia, a nation of hardcore racists and homophobes. I refuse to ever go there.
 
2012-08-19 04:53:33 PM

der Glitzkrieg: silvervial: Okay, that's pretty strange for Russia to do to Madonna, because in February of this year, Rammstein performed "Bück Dich" which features (simulated) sodomy between male bandmembers complete with massive ejaculation all over the audience.

Link (sodomy starts at 6:00, but the whole "Frau" Schneider beating and kicking "her" dogs across the catwalk to their places on stage B is a hoot to watch)

Of course, Rammstein didn't desecrate a cross or show support for anti-Putin protesters....hmmm, maybe that's more likely why Madonna was singled out.

Actually...


Ah yes, but Russia can't do anything about it because the law was proposed *after* Rammstein performed (probably because of the performance).

I love how they called the act "shameless, outrageous, and lecherous" like that's a bad thing :)

And how the news showed the performance, while describing what Till was doing to Flake, though they did pixel out Till's "part" LOL!

Rammstein will have to do the face mask in Russia next time, like they have to do here (since they were arrested for the act in Massachusetts).
 
2012-08-19 05:01:48 PM
These damned Rooskies went about this all wrong. What they should have done is to seize her directly after the concert, shaved her head, put leg irons on her and sent her to a cabbage farm on the Steppes where nobody speaks a word of English and they still think the cold war is going on. Then they could have sat back at their leisure and dreamed up all sorts of nonsense like this, promising only to release her when she coughs up the money. As it stands now, the only thing this is going to accomplish is to give her free publicity.

(On the cabbage farm in the steppes)
Madonna: This is an outrage! I am Madonna!
Ivan the jailer: what is she saying Boris?
Boris the jailer: she says that she is Madonna.
Ivan: yeah, right Madonna in outer bumfarkarooski
Boris: she seems convinced of it
Ivan; yeah, and I'm Michael Jackson. Shut the fark up ugly woman or you will get no supper!
Ivan:
 
2012-08-19 05:42:36 PM

HarlequinGuy: The answer is "C" - Pepetrating self-serving press stunts like this in another desperate bid to stay relevant and in the media, so clueless people who think she possesses one grain of talent will give her more money.


You mean by Russia, right? So you're against gay rights, why the hell do you let Madonna perform? So you can be "outraged" by it and use that "outrage" to try and solidify political power.
 
2012-08-19 06:01:53 PM

Nem Wan: Whiteston: Yeah, I'm all for gay rights, but countries can decide on their own. They don't need our sluts interfering.

That's like saying countries can decide on their own about civil rights in general. They can decide but only some decisions are right. Human beings have inalienable rights regardless of what government they live under and the legitimacy of a government is proportionate to their ability to correctly identify and protect those rights.


You assume that all countries care about a person's rights. Most don't. That's reality.
 
2012-08-19 06:03:35 PM

HarlequinGuy: The answer is "C" - Pepetrating self-serving press stunts like this in another desperate bid to stay relevant and in the media, so clueless people who think she possesses one grain of talent will give her more money.


Seriously, if you think Madonna cares for anyone but herself you are insane. When someone has been a celebrity for that long, with everything taken care of for them, they no longer can feel true empathy.
 
2012-08-19 07:08:47 PM
Madonna must be feeling pretty proud of herself. She's been desperate to generate some fresh attention-grabbing controversy ever since the "Like A Prayer" furor died off (not sure when that was, it happened sometime before most of us were born), and now she's finally stumbled onto something that worked.

But only sort of. When you have to go overseas to taunt repressive governments to get a rise out of people, your relevancy is done. Most Americans who read about this will be disgusted by the continuing d-baggery of Russia, but they won't think any differently about Madonna, who's only been AWing for GLBT rights in a weak attempt to steal the spotlight back from Lady Gaga. Her old standby of hanging herself on blinged-out crosses might still raise eyebrows (and rifles) out in the sticks of Uzbekistan, but here in America it's not edgy enough to warrant a two-second gag on a South Park episode. The lady just doesn't get it anymore.
 
2012-08-19 07:18:37 PM

EdgeRunner: (not sure when that was, it happened sometime before most of us were born)


Didn't that happen in the early 90s?
 
2012-08-19 07:29:18 PM
Wiki says '89. The only controversy she had for the 22+ years following that was "Why does she keep trying to hurt us with her movies? We don't even know her, why does she hate us so much?" The poor delusional woman is trying to shock a generation who have no idea why anything she does is even supposed to be shocking.
 
2012-08-20 02:45:15 AM

TheGhostofFarkPast: HarlequinGuy: The answer is "C" - Pepetrating self-serving press stunts like this in another desperate bid to stay relevant and in the media, so clueless people who think she possesses one grain of talent will give her more money.

What? You may hate her but she didn't bring this on her the corrupt Russian establishment did just like they did with pussy riot.


He, like most conservatives, is upset about the idea that homosexuals are human beings, just like the rest of us.
 
2012-08-20 06:23:36 AM

Bhruic: FTA: Pochuyev was quoted by RIA Novosti as saying. "Modern civilization requires tolerance and respect for different values."

Yeah, you know, the tolerance and respect for different values you show by suing someone who expouses different values. Way to prove you're not a "modern civilization" Russia!


Yes, we must defend Madonnas right to travel to Russia and desecrate an Russian Orthodox cross. Because that's what respecting values is all about.
 
2012-08-20 06:32:16 AM
Won't somebody please think of crosses
 
2012-08-20 10:03:51 AM

EdgeRunner: Wiki says '89. The only controversy she had for the 22+ years following that was "Why does she keep trying to hurt us with her movies? We don't even know her, why does she hate us so much?" The poor delusional woman is trying to shock a generation who have no idea why anything she does is even supposed to be shocking.


These days she is giving more of an "Unh-oh, granny mixed up her meds" vibe than anything else.
 
2012-08-20 12:07:28 PM

Killer Cars: Nem Wan: That's like saying countries can decide on their own about civil rights in general. They can decide but only some decisions are right. Human beings have inalienable rights regardless of what government they live under and the legitimacy of a government is proportionate to their ability to correctly identify and protect those rights.

I think Russia is more interested in giving as much of the Western world a middle finger as possible. If there was a UN vote on "is the sky blue?", they'd vote "nay" just because.


They (and by 'they' I mean, 'Putin') don't give a damn what the rest of the world thinks. What they do give a damn about is anyone who supports dissidents in Russia, and that's where Madonna crossed the line. You can write all the editorials in the New York Times you want, have the White House express its 'disappointment' over the 'disproportionate' sentences of Pussy Riot, and meh. Come out and start actively opposing Putin's thugocracy, and you get the Garry Kasparov treatment.
 
2012-08-21 12:19:50 AM

jiaxiaobo: Dear Madonna,

Thank you for letting us develop our culture on our own.

Love, Other Countries


Human rights abuses are still human rights abuses even if the government sanctions them.
 
2012-08-21 04:34:36 AM

kroonermanblack: Also, is it -really- a valid comparison to say 'slavery' or 'jews' to sexual orientation? I've done it too, because it's such an easy leap to make, but slavery is something inalienably worn ON your skin, you can't be black outside the workplace, or whatever. Whereas, sexual orientation, just generally isn't as obvious (unless it is, I guess). I'm not trolling, it's just something I've been thinking about lately.


This is what makes anti-gay discrimination all the more problematic. When it comes to sex or race, the distinctions are obvious, which makes both the discrimination and its prohibition easier to pinpoint. Homosexuality, however, is not confined to a specific race, sex, culture, or region--it pervades all of these things. It's not even really based on behavior, other than maybe watching people going into a certain bar or kissing or something. It's basically state of mind, and that makes the shutting down of discrimination against it all the more difficult.

Most people who try to argue that being gay isn't like these other things try to conflate orientation with sexual behavior, arguing "Well, you can just stop acting like that, but black people can't stop being black." But that's not what orientation is--for the vast majority of human beings, it's an immutable psychological characteristic.
 
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