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2012-08-19 09:08:14 AM
Oh, no! Now if you want to get to the desktop you'll have to go all the way over to the Desktop button and click it. That'll take upwards of 0.5 seconds! I guess 2013 really will be the year everyone switches to Linux.
 
2012-08-19 09:16:50 AM
I haven't used 8 yet, but I sure hope Microsoft has continued their tradition of re-arranging the entire control panel for no particular reason, and that it still includes the innovation of having the 64 bit configurators in the 32 bit folder and the 32 bit configurators in the 64 bit folder. And instead of hiding file extensions, why not hide the entire file name?
 
2012-08-19 09:33:51 AM

Marcus Aurelius: I haven't used 8 yet, but I sure hope Microsoft has continued their tradition of re-arranging the entire control panel for no particular reason, and that it still includes the innovation of having the 64 bit configurators in the 32 bit folder and the 32 bit configurators in the 64 bit folder. And instead of hiding file extensions, why not hide the entire file name?


...and hopefully anything having to do with networking will also be re-rearranged. I hate finding screens without the fun of a hunt.
 
2012-08-19 11:00:45 AM
Right now these shortcuts are the only way to get around the new interface. Whether this is a smart move is debatable, but Microsoft could be doing this to force everyone--consumers and business users--to get used to a new Windows experience.

In the end, is that a bad thing?


Let me think... YES. Just because you know new and exciting ways of making a computer program start doesn't mean 90+% of the people who use it care. Especially small business users who can't afford to get around this shiat.
 
2012-08-19 11:13:13 AM
What am I gonna do about it...? Well, let's review, shall we?

Win 98 -- ok
Win ME -- fail
Win XP -- ok
Vista -- fail
Win 7 -- ok
Win 8 -- looking like fail

Hmmm... my XPdesk and 7lap are running just fine, thx. I can wait a few years for your P(MS) cycle to return to sanity.
 
2012-08-19 11:14:39 AM
Im buying a new laptop before 8 drops and just skipping the whole mess.
 
2012-08-19 11:28:38 AM

Gwendolyn: Im buying a new laptop before 8 drops and just skipping the whole mess.


Yeah, I've got a laptop that is questionable how long it's going to live, which sucks because it isn't a year old yet. Probably never buying another Toshiba. I'm also just spending the money next time. Trying to decide what to do.
 
2012-08-19 11:35:27 AM

GAT_00: Gwendolyn: Im buying a new laptop before 8 drops and just skipping the whole mess.

Yeah, I've got a laptop that is questionable how long it's going to live, which sucks because it isn't a year old yet. Probably never buying another Toshiba. I'm also just spending the money next time. Trying to decide what to do.


Not sure if this would work in your situation, but here is what I came up with. I am very hard on laptops--lots of travel. I started buying used laptops from a local repair shop. I am usually one step behind the latest stuff, but I usually spend about $300 for what would have been a $1200 laptop 2 years ago.

The shop gives a 90 day full warranty, and while one or two have had problems inside the 90 day window, all the rest have given me two good years of service. I essentially get laptop capability for about $200/year.

Works for me because I don't do anything too stressful, and have a reasonable backup/restore strategy in place.
 
2012-08-19 11:45:31 AM

mr_a: GAT_00: Gwendolyn: Im buying a new laptop before 8 drops and just skipping the whole mess.

Yeah, I've got a laptop that is questionable how long it's going to live, which sucks because it isn't a year old yet. Probably never buying another Toshiba. I'm also just spending the money next time. Trying to decide what to do.

Not sure if this would work in your situation, but here is what I came up with. I am very hard on laptops--lots of travel. I started buying used laptops from a local repair shop. I am usually one step behind the latest stuff, but I usually spend about $300 for what would have been a $1200 laptop 2 years ago.

The shop gives a 90 day full warranty, and while one or two have had problems inside the 90 day window, all the rest have given me two good years of service. I essentially get laptop capability for about $200/year.

Works for me because I don't do anything too stressful, and have a reasonable backup/restore strategy in place.


Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.
 
2012-08-19 11:55:03 AM

GAT_00: mr_a: GAT_00: Gwendolyn: Im buying a new laptop before 8 drops and just skipping the whole mess.

Yeah, I've got a laptop that is questionable how long it's going to live, which sucks because it isn't a year old yet. Probably never buying another Toshiba. I'm also just spending the money next time. Trying to decide what to do.

Not sure if this would work in your situation, but here is what I came up with. I am very hard on laptops--lots of travel. I started buying used laptops from a local repair shop. I am usually one step behind the latest stuff, but I usually spend about $300 for what would have been a $1200 laptop 2 years ago.

The shop gives a 90 day full warranty, and while one or two have had problems inside the 90 day window, all the rest have given me two good years of service. I essentially get laptop capability for about $200/year.

Works for me because I don't do anything too stressful, and have a reasonable backup/restore strategy in place.

Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.


I am sure you know there are great open office suites, although the good ones all seem to require constant internet access, a deal breaker for me. I have tried using LibreOffice-which sort of works, but not really. Or you could find alternate sources of Microsoft Office. Supposedly there is a new free version which replaced WORKS, but never tried it. 

As for repair shops-it can be a challenge. Look for one run by an old Navy electronics tech who smokes cheap cigars.
 
2012-08-19 11:59:49 AM

mr_a: I am sure you know there are great open office suites, although the good ones all seem to require constant internet access, a deal breaker for me. I have tried using LibreOffice-which sort of works, but not really. Or you could find alternate sources of Microsoft Office. Supposedly there is a new free version which replaced WORKS, but never tried it.

As for repair shops-it can be a challenge. Look for one run by an old Navy electronics tech who smokes cheap cigars.


I have OpenOffice on this desktop. It is a POS compared to the full Office suite, and has a tendency to occasionally have editing that doesn't translate to someone reading in Office correctly.
 
2012-08-19 12:55:58 PM
I think the vast majority of people using Windows 8 will be just fine with it. I loaded beta on my girlfriends laptop and she's had no problem at all using it. In fact she says it's much easier to use. For the power user it might take a little tweaking. Personally I don't like that menu thing at the start and will never use it and will wish to have it turned off. 99% of the rest of the world wont give a shiat.
 
2012-08-19 01:14:23 PM
I can just continue using Windows 7
 
2012-08-19 01:16:28 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I haven't used 8 yet, but I sure hope Microsoft has continued their tradition of re-arranging the entire control panel for no particular reason, and that it still includes the innovation of having the 64 bit configurators in the 32 bit folder and the 32 bit configurators in the 64 bit folder. And instead of hiding file extensions, why not hide the entire file name?


"I see you're looking for a 64-bit binary. Well, that's right over here in /system32/."

"Ah ha, so it's a 32-bit binary you need? Check the /SysWOW64/ folder."
 
2012-08-19 01:42:44 PM
I pulled it off MSDN and am running it now. Aside from the new start screen, it's...not that bad. I fully expect them to bring back the more traditional start button/panel, but even so the new screen isn't that bad. I like how the search functions...just start typing and the results appear...

But what if I don't know the name of the program? I've had that happen with some configuration panels when I was setting it up. So it ain't perfect by any means.

It seems to used a lot less power than Windows 7 did, so that's good. Dual monitor support is still buggy. I had problems with which screen programs started on once I hooked up the second monitor, but the problems I had were solved by resetting the resolutions on my second monitor. Service pack fix, probably.

It loads a helluva lot faster than 7 ever did. I've got a 256G SSD and we are powered up and logging in in under ten seconds after hitting the power button.

All in all, 8 is not a bad thing. I wish I could say the same for VS2012. It seems to work great, but whoever designed the UI should be dragged out behind the dumpsters and shot.

/Can I have the 2010 designer with 2012 Intellisense? PLEASE?!?!
 
2012-08-19 01:54:10 PM

PainInTheASP: It loads a helluva lot faster than 7 ever did. I've got a 256G SSD and we are powered up and logging in in under ten seconds after hitting the power button.


Yeah I'm looking forward to enhanced SSD support. I've ran a Crucial for a year now and even in 7 my boot time minus POST is in a matter of seconds.
 
2012-08-19 02:27:19 PM

GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.


This might be relevant to your interests.
 
2012-08-19 02:29:35 PM
www.kde.org

fark you, Microsoft. fark you.
 
2012-08-19 02:32:24 PM
My company is just switching over to Windows 7 and Office 2010. At least I already use both at home so I have no issues using them. On the other hand my co-workers are grumbling over the switch. I couldn't imagine them trying to learn how to use Windows 8.
 
2012-08-19 02:33:26 PM

xynix: I think the vast majority of people using Windows 8 will be just fine with it. I loaded beta on my girlfriends laptop and she's had no problem at all using it. In fact she says it's much easier to use. For the power user it might take a little tweaking. Personally I don't like that menu thing at the start and will never use it and will wish to have it turned off. 99% of the rest of the world wont give a shiat.


I think this is the big point. I had a similar experience with my mother and older brother; they rarely use computers and thought it was much easier.

Since Windows 8 has been in beta, only the technically savvy have been using it. When it goes out to the masses, I suspect there'll be a lot less hate for it.
 
2012-08-19 02:34:56 PM
"What's the Windows key? Hold on I'm going to check the window. No, ain't no key there. What?"
 
2012-08-19 02:35:25 PM
It's when you have to switch to desktop for every application that annoys you.
Want to watch Netflix? Get to the desktop version of your browser.
Want to download drivers from Windows update. Get to the desktop version.
Want to file and folder permissions? Get to the desktop.
It gets a little old pressing Win+D for nearly everything.
 
2012-08-19 02:36:47 PM
Personally, I'm looking forward to upgrading from Vista. I don't use the desktop often enough to justify the hundred bucks for 7, but $40 is hard to say no to
 
2012-08-19 02:36:50 PM

angrymacface: When it goes out to the masses, I suspect there'll be a lot less hate for it.


Only 14 year old girls who are too busy texting their BFF Jill will think the OS is fine. The rest of the world will hate it.
 
2012-08-19 02:36:59 PM
That's so crazy it might just w... oh, wait. No. No it won't.
 
2012-08-19 02:40:55 PM

HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.

This might be relevant to your interests.


My virus scanner blocked that site.
 
2012-08-19 02:41:37 PM
m1.paperblog.com

/Told you so!
 
2012-08-19 02:42:20 PM

stratagos: Personally, I'm looking forward to upgrading from Vista. I don't use the desktop often enough to justify the hundred bucks for 7, but $40 is hard to say no to


"If you are upgrading from Windows Vista, you will be able to bring along your Windows settings and personal files"
Link
I'd still back them up anyway.
 
2012-08-19 02:44:56 PM

GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.


I don't think Magic JellyBean will tell you the Office Key.
Belarc will
 
2012-08-19 02:46:15 PM

mr_a: GAT_00: Gwendolyn: Im buying a new laptop before 8 drops and just skipping the whole mess.

Yeah, I've got a laptop that is questionable how long it's going to live, which sucks because it isn't a year old yet. Probably never buying another Toshiba. I'm also just spending the money next time. Trying to decide what to do.

Not sure if this would work in your situation, but here is what I came up with. I am very hard on laptops--lots of travel. I started buying used laptops from a local repair shop. I am usually one step behind the latest stuff, but I usually spend about $300 for what would have been a $1200 laptop 2 years ago.

The shop gives a 90 day full warranty, and while one or two have had problems inside the 90 day window, all the rest have given me two good years of service. I essentially get laptop capability for about $200/year.

Works for me because I don't do anything too stressful, and have a reasonable backup/restore strategy in place.


Check out the pre-owned or refurb section of Cowboom.
 
2012-08-19 02:46:17 PM
Just switched my tech-illiterate father's computer to Ubuntu. He (and I) has never been happier with his computer. Then again it was running vista...
 
2012-08-19 02:47:13 PM
Metro (which the brainiacs at Microsoft have renamed to something they won't tell anyone) is easily cured by dropping any program that runs a modal window into the user's startup folder.

Until Microsoft defeats MessageBox, all thier efforts to force Metro on you will be futile.
 
2012-08-19 02:49:16 PM

DeathRaySanta: What am I gonna do about it...? Well, let's review, shall we?

Win 98 -- ok
Win ME -- fail
Win XP -- ok
Vista -- fail
Win 7 -- ok
Win 8 -- looking like fail

Hmmm... my XPdesk and 7lap are running just fine, thx. I can wait a few years for your P(MS) cycle to return to sanity.


How do you tell the difference between vista and win 7 for one to be ok and one to be fail? I have two computers next to each other here, one of each, and they behave almost identically.
 
2012-08-19 02:49:29 PM

Gunny Walker: It's when you have to switch to desktop for every application that annoys you.
Want to watch Netflix? Get to the desktop version of your browser.
Want to download drivers from Windows update. Get to the desktop version.
Want to file and folder permissions? Get to the desktop.
It gets a little old pressing Win+D for nearly everything.


My god... the horror! How do you bear it?
 
2012-08-19 02:55:34 PM

GAT_00: HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.

This might be relevant to your interests.

My virus scanner blocked that site.


Strange. I've downloaded and used that tool without any issues. Just last weekend, I used it to retrieve the Windows XP key with a worn out COA sticker.

What AV are you using?
 
2012-08-19 02:56:10 PM

HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.

This might be relevant to your interests.

My virus scanner blocked that site.

Strange. I've downloaded and used that tool without any issues. Just last weekend, I used it to retrieve the Windows XP key from a netbook with a worn out COA sticker.

What AV are you using?


FTFM.

/accidentally the whole thing
 
2012-08-19 02:57:44 PM
Mac booting to desktop
1984-present
 
2012-08-19 03:00:12 PM

HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.

This might be relevant to your interests.

My virus scanner blocked that site.

Strange. I've downloaded and used that tool without any issues. Just last weekend, I used it to retrieve the Windows XP key with a worn out COA sticker.

What AV are you using?


TrendMicro.
 
2012-08-19 03:03:27 PM

thrasherrr: Metro (which the brainiacs at Microsoft have renamed to something they won't tell anyone) is easily cured by dropping any program that runs a modal window into the user's startup folder.

Until Microsoft defeats MessageBox, all thier efforts to force Metro on you will be futile.


Brilliant!

I'll move to a new version from 7 only if forced.
 
2012-08-19 03:08:45 PM

Rockstone: Only 14 year old girls who are too busy texting their BFF Jill who would like Macs, if they could afford to buy one, will think the OS is fine. The rest of the world will hate it.


FTFY
 
2012-08-19 03:14:07 PM
www.thefunnyblog.org
 
2012-08-19 03:14:47 PM

xria: How do you tell the difference between vista and win 7 for one to be ok and one to be fail? I have two computers next to each other here, one of each, and they behave almost identically.


The memory management of UI graphics is a bloated mess in Vista. In a nutshell, each window you open in Vista requires exponentially more resources to manage. Win 7 revamped that system into a linear progression. People with old computers and/or running several apps at once know the difference in an instant.
 
2012-08-19 03:15:18 PM
Who says they don't actively copy Apple?
 
2012-08-19 03:16:56 PM

GAT_00: HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: Well, you're on the other side of the country from me. I'd have to find a repair shop I could trust around here. Of the two pieces of software I need, one I can get for free from the school, the other is Office. I have CDs around here, but I can't farking find them and you apparently can't retrieve a serial number once installed so I could just download the farking software. It's like Microsoft wants me to steal it.

This might be relevant to your interests.

My virus scanner blocked that site.

Strange. I've downloaded and used that tool without any issues. Just last weekend, I used it to retrieve the Windows XP key with a worn out COA sticker.

What AV are you using?

TrendMicro.


That's a pretty reputable one, but I still think it's either a false positive or something triggered by a third-party script, since... well, I'm virus free after visiting. Still, up to you.
 
2012-08-19 03:17:39 PM

Gunny Walker: stratagos: Personally, I'm looking forward to upgrading from Vista. I don't use the desktop often enough to justify the hundred bucks for 7, but $40 is hard to say no to

"If you are upgrading from Windows Vista, you will be able to bring along your Windows settings and personal files"
Link
I'd still back them up anyway.


I'll be backing up my files and doing a fresh install; too much garbage I don't use on that thing now
 
2012-08-19 03:18:28 PM
We are in a mixed environment at work. Half of us have MBPs, including me. I'm running OSX Mountain Lion 95% of the time (including MS Office 2011). I also have Win 7 in Bootcamp that I use for certain applications (rarely).

Honestly, I though Mac was lame before I used one, mostly because of all the hatred. Now that I've used one, I really like it. I understand the incompatibility issues for certain software, as well as hardware issues when trying to interface with equipment.

For standard office-type work, I'd much rather use the Mac side. I don't understand the blind hatred for the platform, other than the cost (granted the company paid for this one, but I bought my wife an Air that she loves).

You may call me a fanboy (and at this point you may be right), but I think if some of you gave it a shot with an open mind, it might just work for you.

/let the rage begin
 
2012-08-19 03:19:31 PM

xria: DeathRaySanta: What am I gonna do about it...? Well, let's review, shall we?

Win 98 -- ok
Win ME -- fail
Win XP -- ok
Vista -- fail
Win 7 -- ok
Win 8 -- looking like fail

Hmmm... my XPdesk and 7lap are running just fine, thx. I can wait a few years for your P(MS) cycle to return to sanity.

How do you tell the difference between vista and win 7 for one to be ok and one to be fail? I have two computers next to each other here, one of each, and they behave almost identically.


Windows 7 runs better than Vista, even on a machine with lower specs.

The other big advantage Win7 has is time.... 64-bit support is ubiquitous now and people have stopped writing software to take advantage of missing bits of the API Microsoft didn't bother with until Vista (which then broke a LOT of software). As an enterprise developer, for us it was dealing with "session separation" - a security feature that, had older apps been coded properly, we would never have had to worry about. Those moves greatly improved security over Windows XP, but users just saw that their favorite crappy shareware app was now broken "because of Vista"

So in the end, we got used to the Post-XP Windows just as Win7 came out.
 
2012-08-19 03:23:24 PM

xria: How do you tell the difference between vista and win 7 for one to be ok and one to be fail? I have two computers next to each other here, one of each, and they behave almost identically.


This is because you're comparing Vista with SP2 and the Platform Update to 7. Vista when it came out was pure fail, and by the time it was fixed, everybody who cared had already decided to skip it and wait for 7.

Vista with the Platform update effectively is Windows 7, just without the new shell.
 
2012-08-19 03:27:52 PM
Windows 8's new Metro Fisher Price Interface

There I fixed it for Microsoft.
 
2012-08-19 03:33:14 PM
Great, I was hoping to make my desktop look like clown vomit!
 
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