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2012-08-19 12:39:21 PM
Hrmph. Admins cut off my "and give them extra legroom because of the 6' height requirement" joke

/stubmitter
 
2012-08-19 01:03:28 PM
Actually they are DHS not military. They used to be Dept of Transportation unless war was declared then they would be transferred under the Navy. Where they belong.
 
2012-08-19 01:07:56 PM
They're still military. You have a military issued ID card. Your discharge papers are still a DD-214. You're subject to the UCMJ. The department to which they are assigned has no bearing on whether or not they are military.
 
2012-08-19 01:19:44 PM
I'm ok with it
 
2012-08-19 01:33:26 PM

Honest mistake, amirite, Coasties?

The interesting thing is that this all hinged on the airline rep seeing "uniformed services" on her ID, rather than "military." There are seven Uniformed Services, of which five are the familiar branches of the armed forces.

So now we've got the stage set for an epic showdown between US Airways and an on-duty, baggage-carrying officer of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps.

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2012-08-19 01:36:06 PM
Back in my day *adjusts onion* the IDs said "ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES".

Uniformed Services sounds like a dry cleaners
 
2012-08-19 01:48:18 PM

One Bad Apple: Uniformed Services sounds like a dry cleaners


The other one is the Public Health Service, which is why the Surgeon General always dresses up like an actual general (or, actually, like an admiral) but I figure no one will give them too much crap about baggage fees since they can always just say they're carrying big vials of ebola.

A friend of a friend is a PHSCC researcher, which means he's also theoretically Lieutenant Friend-of-a-friend, although he only has to wear his uniform once in a blue moon. Apparently it's quite a hoot to go to the PHSCC holiday party and see all the sedentary lab geeks trying to stuff themselves into their dress blues.
 
2012-08-19 01:58:24 PM

semiotix: So now we've got the stage set for an epic showdown between US Airways and an on-duty, baggage-carrying officer of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps


Wow, that's really interesting -- wish I had known about them and what they do when I was in college.
 
2012-08-19 02:11:26 PM

RoyBatty: Wow, that's really interesting -- wish I had known about them and what they do when I was in college.


The training is pretty brutal, from what I've heard.

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2012-08-19 02:19:32 PM
This is my transit, this is my gun, one is for surveying, one is for fun.
 
2012-08-19 02:22:33 PM
Um, with a 700billion annual budget, I think the military can afford to pay baggage fees just like everyone else.

/just sayin
 
2012-08-19 02:25:04 PM
In most military branches during basic training they tear you down and then build you back up. The Coast Guard skips the second part.
 
2012-08-19 02:25:28 PM

One Bad Apple: Actually they are DHS not military. They used to be Dept of Transportation unless war was declared then they would be transferred under the Navy. Where they belong.


Well, this mostly.
Still, its a service where getting shot at or drowned is a distinct possibility.

/skip the pendantry, give em a pass and wave the damn fee.
 
2012-08-19 02:26:03 PM

One Bad Apple: Actually they are DHS not military. They used to be Dept of Transportation unless war was declared then they would be transferred under the Navy. Where they belong.


Damn son does your face hurt?
 
2012-08-19 02:26:15 PM

zorlack7: Um, with a 700billion annual budget, I think the military can afford to pay baggage fees just like everyone else.

/just sayin


Um, when service members make about a buck fitty an hour before taxes, I think we can cut them a little slack since they're protecting your right to write stupid shiat on the internets. Dick.

/just sayin
 
2012-08-19 02:29:28 PM

zorlack7: Um, with a 700billion annual budget, I think the military can afford to pay baggage fees just like everyone else.

/just sayin


Not all of that budget actually goes to the servicemembers. Most of it goes to contractors who build tanks and fighter jets the military neither need nor wants, and the contractors "contribute" some of that money to the members of Congress who pass budget bills that result in more unneeded and unwanted weapons systems being purchased.

/just sayin
 
2012-08-19 02:30:01 PM
Unless you're traveling on orders, I don't know of an airline that will waive bag fees. When I worked for delta that was the only way we were supposed to waive fees.
 
2012-08-19 02:30:35 PM
Someone else wanting something for free.

Sad.
 
2012-08-19 02:30:56 PM
One thing that always annoys me about flying with the armed service: I have relatives in the various armed services. Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines (yes, it makes for some great family injokes). Every single one of them has informed me that service men are not supposed to travel in uniform.

So why the hell are some guys traveling in uniform? Because my grandfather made a great scene once and threatened to contact some kid's commanding officer and discipline him for traveling in fatigues. Apparently it's a huge no-no.

I've always wondered why they did that.

/grandfather is hilarious, he shot Nazi's once upon a time in an old war
//not in the service myself, just have lots of relatives who are
/they like to poke fun at guys who try to brag about being in the service to get free stuff while traveling
 
2012-08-19 02:31:08 PM
Maybe carrying a rifle to the ticket counter would look more military-ish.
 
2012-08-19 02:33:09 PM

One Bad Apple: Actually they are DHS not military. They used to be Dept of Transportation unless war was declared then they would be transferred under the Navy. Where they belong.


If you followed the Wikipedia link, and read it, you would know that the Coast Guard is the only department that is not under the DoD. They are a part of the military, and will operate under the US Navy if directed by and executive order or by Congress. As a member of the US Navy, and one who works with the Coast Guard, I'm fairly certain they are a part of the military as they have military AND law enforcement duties.
 
2012-08-19 02:33:15 PM

FilmBELOH20: zorlack7: Um, with a 700billion annual budget, I think the military can afford to pay baggage fees just like everyone else.

/just sayin

Um, when service members make about a buck fitty an hour before taxes, I think we can cut them a little slack since they're protecting your right to write stupid shiat on the internets. Dick.

/just sayin


His statement said 'military pay the fees' not the actual servicemen (what's the proper term for that, that includes anyone regardless of branch?), thought that was just my reading.

And for some reason I thought military people got paid tax-free, as a sort of bonus for all that getting shot and blown up for less than minimum wage.
 
2012-08-19 02:34:12 PM
Um, no? The Coast Guard is an armed service and a uniformed service, but not a military service as they don't fall under the Department of Defense.

We also get free entrance to National Parks. (Offer void in Canada.) So suck it.
 
2012-08-19 02:34:56 PM

semiotix: RoyBatty: Wow, that's really interesting -- wish I had known about them and what they do when I was in college.

The training is pretty brutal, from what I've heard.

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I guess you have to go through it to know for sure because I've heard differing things about boot camps. One of my good friends who was in the coast told me the training was awful, torture, the worst thing ever. My friends brother in the marines told me boot camp was easy and he thinks the people complaining about it must just be pussies. Bonus - the first guy I described was a big, mean, fighting jock in high school, the second one was a scrawny acne faced 24/7 gamer.
 
2012-08-19 02:35:43 PM
Baggage fees? What are those?

/Hasn't used any airline but Southwest for the past 10 years or so
 
2012-08-19 02:39:01 PM
Considering there were some coasties in basic training with me, yes, I'd say they are military.

/and, in fact, they are
 
2012-08-19 02:39:52 PM

consider this: [i45.tinypic.com image 460x500]

Yes, nerds, the military gets perks that the rest of you don't. If that bothers you so much, man up and join the military instead of being whiny little scaredy cats, afraid of your own shadow.


Problem - I don't think the military should get perks. It's not about fear... I support my country by supporting diplomatic relations that do not involve cruise missiles, and invasions. I support a defensive military, but that is it.

So I help to protect America too. Where are my free bags?
 
2012-08-19 02:41:01 PM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: One thing that always annoys me about flying with the armed service: I have relatives in the various armed services. Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines (yes, it makes for some great family injokes). Every single one of them has informed me that service men are not supposed to travel in uniform.

So why the hell are some guys traveling in uniform? Because my grandfather made a great scene once and threatened to contact some kid's commanding officer and discipline him for traveling in fatigues. Apparently it's a huge no-no.

I've always wondered why they did that.

/grandfather is hilarious, he shot Nazi's once upon a time in an old war
//not in the service myself, just have lots of relatives who are
/they like to poke fun at guys who try to brag about being in the service to get free stuff while traveling


Your family members are wrong, or at least their information is outdated.

2. WE ARE A NATION AT WAR, AND THE UNITED STATES ARMY IS THE MOST TRUSTED ORGANIZATION TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. TO KEEP THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF OUR SOLDIERS VISIBLE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THE ACU, BDU, AND DBDU ARE AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR DURING COMMERCIAL TRAVEL BOTH CONUS AND OCONUS. IN OCONUS AREAS, COMMANDERS WILL LIMIT TRAVEL IN UNIFORM TO MILITARY AIRLIFT COMMAND (MAC) FLIGHTS OR AMERICAN FLAGGED CARRIERS.


Sorry for the caps; that is a quotation from the document CHANGE TO THE ARMY COMBAT UNIFORM (ACU), BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (BDU), AND DESERT BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (DBDU) WEAR POLICY and apparently the DoD hasn't figured out their caps lock key yet. The document is undated, but post-9/11. I'm also told it's no longer encouraged as strongly as it was in the early days of the war(s).

(CONUS means "Contiguous United States" and OCONUS is outside the same. So only service people in certain roles wear their uniforms on international flights.)
 
2012-08-19 02:44:50 PM
My ID says Uniformed Services under Affiliation.
 
2012-08-19 02:49:17 PM
My best friend is career Army. Calls me his hero because my taxes go to pay his salary. Buys me more cigars than I can for him.
 
2012-08-19 02:49:18 PM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: One thing that always annoys me about flying with the armed service: I have relatives in the various armed services. Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines (yes, it makes for some great family injokes). Every single one of them has informed me that service men are not supposed to travel in uniform.

So why the hell are some guys traveling in uniform? Because my grandfather made a great scene once and threatened to contact some kid's commanding officer and discipline him for traveling in fatigues. Apparently it's a huge no-no.

I've always wondered why they did that.

/grandfather is hilarious, he shot Nazi's once upon a time in an old war
//not in the service myself, just have lots of relatives who are
/they like to poke fun at guys who try to brag about being in the service to get free stuff while traveling


Sounds like you misunderstood. Travel in uniform is allowed and in some cases even required. However, it must be a dress uniform and clean. The only time it is not allowed is when you're traveling overseas via commercial airline.
 
2012-08-19 02:50:39 PM
semiotix:
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Semper Tempestas

Does that mean "Always Angry"?
 
2012-08-19 02:51:04 PM
As a retired member of the USN i would like to tell you that your first mistake was joining the CG instead of the real military. That is all.
 
2012-08-19 02:51:08 PM
You're gawd damm right they are. They do fall under the Navy just like the Marines, but they deserve the same respect as any other uniformed service.
 
2012-08-19 02:51:40 PM
All arguments about CG being military aside...baggage fees are a pretty obvious nickel and dime money grab, and anytime someone can get out of them...I say good on them.

Between the TSA, stupid airline fees, and all the other BS associated with flying...I find it something to avoid as much as possible.
 
2012-08-19 02:52:19 PM

Lipo: You're subject to the UCMJ.


This right here is the beginning and end of the argument.
 
2012-08-19 02:52:35 PM
If you can be buried at Arlington, you're in the Armed Forces.

As far as I'm concerned.
 
2012-08-19 02:53:14 PM

zorlack7: consider this: [i45.tinypic.com image 460x500]

Yes, nerds, the military gets perks that the rest of you don't. If that bothers you so much, man up and join the military instead of being whiny little scaredy cats, afraid of your own shadow.

Problem - I don't think the military should get perks. It's not about fear... I support my country by supporting diplomatic relations that do not involve cruise missiles, and invasions. I support a defensive military, but that is it.

So I help to protect America too. Where are my free bags?


If you become a cop you get free coffee at a lot of places, if you become a teacher you get a discount at the Apple store, and if you become a congressman you can send out mail without paying for postage. Many jobs have perks, tune it at 11 with Ric Romero for the full story.
 
2012-08-19 02:56:30 PM

MonkeyAngst: Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: One thing that always annoys me about flying with the armed service: I have relatives in the various armed services. Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, Marines (yes, it makes for some great family injokes). Every single one of them has informed me that service men are not supposed to travel in uniform.

So why the hell are some guys traveling in uniform? Because my grandfather made a great scene once and threatened to contact some kid's commanding officer and discipline him for traveling in fatigues. Apparently it's a huge no-no.

I've always wondered why they did that.

/grandfather is hilarious, he shot Nazi's once upon a time in an old war
//not in the service myself, just have lots of relatives who are
/they like to poke fun at guys who try to brag about being in the service to get free stuff while traveling

Your family members are wrong, or at least their information is outdated.

2. WE ARE A NATION AT WAR, AND THE UNITED STATES ARMY IS THE MOST TRUSTED ORGANIZATION TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. TO KEEP THE DEDICATED EFFORTS OF OUR SOLDIERS VISIBLE TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, THE ACU, BDU, AND DBDU ARE AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR DURING COMMERCIAL TRAVEL BOTH CONUS AND OCONUS. IN OCONUS AREAS, COMMANDERS WILL LIMIT TRAVEL IN UNIFORM TO MILITARY AIRLIFT COMMAND (MAC) FLIGHTS OR AMERICAN FLAGGED CARRIERS.

Sorry for the caps; that is a quotation from the document CHANGE TO THE ARMY COMBAT UNIFORM (ACU), BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (BDU), AND DESERT BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (DBDU) WEAR POLICY and apparently the DoD hasn't figured out their caps lock key yet. The document is undated, but post-9/11. I'm also told it's no longer encouraged as strongly as it was in the early days of the war(s).

(CONUS means "Contiguous United States" and OCONUS is outside the same. So only service people in certain roles wear their uniforms on international flights.)


Ah. Most likely outdated then because the incident with my grandfather was pre-9/11, and both my uncle and aunt had retired from the services by then. My brother is still adamant about it, but he also always manages to run into the one dumbass in the area that has a poorly maintained uniform (either that, or he has magical powers to find the one guy in the area that is faking being in the military, given some of the stories I've heard it's very likely), and it always pisses him off (things like ketchup stains, coffee stains, rips, etc).
 
2012-08-19 02:57:01 PM

zorlack7: consider this: [i45.tinypic.com image 460x500]

Yes, nerds, the military gets perks that the rest of you don't. If that bothers you so much, man up and join the military instead of being whiny little scaredy cats, afraid of your own shadow.

Problem - I don't think the military should get perks. It's not about fear... I support my country by supporting diplomatic relations that do not involve cruise missiles, and invasions. I support a defensive military, but that is it.

So I help to protect America too. Where are my free bags?


Then perhaps you should be directing your ire towards the politicians who make those decisions rather than the men and women who put their lives on the line to get paid in pitiful wages and smug superiority from people like you.

Those people earn a few perks for doing what you don't have the stones to do.

Frankly, if I had my way, you wouldn't even have the right to vote until you have served four years minimum. Yes, that's right, I actually like the "service guarantees citizenship" idea.

But hey, I'll let you get back to your latte', your iPad, and your condescension while someone else is trying to stay awake and alert for the 48th hour in a cramped foxhole because some politician thought it would be a good idea and some apathetic douche like you didn't tell him he's wrong.
 
2012-08-19 02:57:29 PM
Any organization whose unofficial motto is "You have to go out. You don't have to come back." is plenty Armed Forces enough to me.
 
2012-08-19 02:58:35 PM
Hopefully this means we can get VA Benefits and perks for vets of Stars Earn Their Stripes
 
2012-08-19 02:59:41 PM

JWideman: Travel in uniform is allowed and in some cases even required. However, it must be a dress uniform and clean. The only time it is not allowed is when you're traveling overseas via commercial airline.


Air Force folks can wear abu/flight suit on commercial CONUS flights.
 
2012-08-19 03:00:09 PM

kroonermanblack: His statement said 'military pay the fees' not the actual servicemen (what's the proper term for that, that includes anyone regardless of branch?), thought that was just my reading.

And for some reason I thought military people got paid tax-free, as a sort of bonus for all that getting shot and blown up for less than minimum wage.


Actually, the military doesn't pay the fees. When I fly on leave, I pay my own airfare and still get free baggage. This policy most likely stems from the bad press that airlines in general got when service members would be flying home on R&R with all their unneeded military gear and their orders state 3 checked bags, but then they get to the states with no cash and get hit with the fees. (Also happens when reservists must report for mobilization.) Given the price that the military pays for commercial air travel, the airlines aren't loosing any money on this deal.

The income tax exclusion is only for service-members deployed to combat zones, e.g. Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo. Income for everyone else is subject to federal income tax, but some states have state income tax exclusions for active duty.
 
2012-08-19 03:01:57 PM
Coasties are not DOD, plus the article says she was going from her home station to her parents house. That is ordinary leave, airlines are only required to waive fees when your traveling on orders or R&R leave. I appreciate the fees being waived when Im traveling for work and probably need to bring extra bags of work gear, or if were traveling on PCS orders as you may need to bring enough stuff to live off of for a few months. But if your just going on vacation you should be able to keep the luggage down to a reasonable level.
 
2012-08-19 03:02:34 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: zorlack7: consider this: [i45.tinypic.com image 460x500]

Those people earn a few perks for doing what you don't have the stones to do.

Frankly, if I had my way, you wouldn't even have the right to vote until you have served four years minimum. Yes, that's right, I actually like the "service guarantees citizenship" idea.

But hey, I'll let you get back to your latte', your iPad, and your condescension while someone else is trying to stay awake and alert for the 48th hour in a cramped foxhole because some politician thought it would be a good idea and some apathetic douche like you didn't tell him he's wrong.


Nothing to do with balls, sorry. I just don't subscribe to this whole BS of "real American support the military." I'd be hugely more supportive of the military if more Americans thought about what they were getting into, and aimed for foreign policy change before enlisting.

So for service guarantees citizenship... I personally think that attitude is a fat load of brainwashed bollocks, and the last thing... The VERY last thing our country needs right now is a more bloated military.

But hey, I'll let you get back to your nut flexing, puppy killing machismo thoughtless crusades. Sorry about the guy in the foxhole, but it's not like he was drafted or anything. If people didn't volunteer to fight these asinine wars, we would not be able to fight them, and the problem would be solved.
 
2012-08-19 03:03:35 PM
Oh and the attendant was an idiot though, because my active duty Army ID says "Uniformed Services".
 
2012-08-19 03:05:14 PM
Farking socialists
 
2012-08-19 03:05:16 PM

zorlack7:


But hey, I'll let you get back to your nut flexing, puppy killing machismo thoughtless crusades. Sorry about the guy in the foxhole, but it's not like he was drafted or anything. If people didn't volunteer to fight these asinine wars, we would not be able to fight them, and the problem would be solved.


Because no government, especially our own, could ever FORCE people to serve in the military with threats of prison
 
2012-08-19 03:06:21 PM
Well, yeah... But there hasn't been a draft since vietnam. That's a whole other moral bag of worms, and is totally irrelephant.
 
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