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(LA Times)   Ford unveils Shelby Cobra with a monster 850-horsepower engine. Difficulty: There's only one available   (latimes.com) divider line 150
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2012-08-19 12:40:52 PM  
encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-19 12:43:40 PM  
I'm sick and tired of hearing the kid next door fire up his supercharged cobra with 3" exhaust every morning. Why the hell won't he crash the damn thing already? 

/harrumph!
 
2012-08-19 12:44:08 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I would so crash that within an hour of leaving the dealership.


So would nearly everyone, likely myself included if we're being honest here. Most folk have no comprehension. An admirable creation though.
 
Ehh
2012-08-19 12:47:09 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]


No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.
 
2012-08-19 12:47:19 PM  
why does the paint job look like a jigsaw puzzle? the passenger side rear quarter and rocker panels look like.... fark it. the paint simply doesn't match up on the passenger side. i don't care if you argue it is some lighting/photog bullshiat. that car was scrapped up and bandaids were applied.
 
2012-08-19 12:50:11 PM  

IvanTheSilent: I call bullshiat. IRS's have been around since what, the late '50s?


Even before that. The Kubelwagon went into mass production in 1940. There's probably earlier examples but I'm too lazy to look.
 
2012-08-19 12:52:04 PM  

elvisaintdead: PreMortem: I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.

You could use some Mojo Nixon.


Was not aware of this but am now going to the bar and saturate it with this sound.

Thanks
 
2012-08-19 01:04:33 PM  

HeadKase: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

/first car was a 69 boss 302
//and a hunk of junk

Don't know much about their suspensions, do you?


Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?
 
2012-08-19 01:07:46 PM  

Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.


Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.
 
2012-08-19 01:09:39 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?


If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.
 
2012-08-19 01:10:22 PM  
I'm sure it will be priced out of the range of anyone with the skill to not wreck it the first weekend.
 
2012-08-19 01:11:16 PM  

consider this: So for twice the cash a plain GT would have cost, you can get to the next red light 1 second faster. Sounds like a smart buying decision.


Quite a bit more than 1 second actually. I traded my '10 GT Premium for it. Totally night and day in many regards, not just the drag race.
 
2012-08-19 01:12:43 PM  

Outtaphase: Quite a bit more than 1 second actually. I traded my '10 GT Premium for it. Totally night and day in many regards, not just the drag race


Oh, and only about 50% more on the cost, if we're talking a loaded GT premium or Boss 302.
 
2012-08-19 01:16:54 PM  
Why is creating one more difficult than creating several? Submitter is weird.
 
2012-08-19 01:17:03 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]


Perhaps you can get this one cheap Link
 
2012-08-19 01:19:04 PM  

MoparPower: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

Perhaps you can get this one cheap Link


Ouch!
 
2012-08-19 01:19:58 PM  
Difficulty: It's still a Ford
 
2012-08-19 01:20:06 PM  

Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.


I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.
 
2012-08-19 01:28:01 PM  
aytm.com
 
2012-08-19 01:28:33 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.

I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.


You know how I know you don't know how a supercharger works?
 
2012-08-19 01:28:49 PM  

MoparPower: Perhaps you can get this one cheap Link


Damn. Bet his Allstate agent just downloaded a ton of brownware.
 
2012-08-19 01:32:11 PM  

IvanTheSilent: czei: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

You'd think that a fixed rear axel would really affect cornering performance, but side-by-side tests with a pro driving the 2011 Mustang GT and 2011 M3 show there's not much different on an actual track:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html

Yes, a purpose built Mustang "not quite" beating the vehicle it was purpose built to beat. Impressive.

/Would take the M3 over the Mustang
//Mustang has come a long way, is very nice
///My Kia has an IRS. Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!


I hardly think a .09 second difference on a track is much considering the M3 costs $26,750 more than the Mustang it "beat".
 
2012-08-19 01:33:16 PM  

rohar: TuteTibiImperes: Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.

I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.

You know how I know you don't know how a supercharger works?


I'm not talking about turbo lag, and I might have phrased it badly, but yes, a supercharger does have moving parts that create additional drag before the increased air flow can result in more power.
 
Ehh
2012-08-19 01:36:26 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.


Congratulations!

/"Now that there"
 
2012-08-19 01:37:13 PM  
Difficulty: Carroll Shelby is dead.
 
2012-08-19 01:41:31 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.

I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.

You know how I know you don't know how a supercharger works?

I'm not talking about turbo lag, and I might have phrased it badly, but yes, a supercharger does have moving parts that create additional drag before the increased air flow can result in more power.


Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
 
2012-08-19 01:45:44 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.


That original should have sold for a lot more too. The funny thing about the Daytona Coupes is after their international tour they were retired from racing and no one wanted them. Imagine if you were one of the people that turned down the chance to buy one back in the 60's.

This car is also cool

Link
 
2012-08-19 01:46:19 PM  

czei: IvanTheSilent: czei: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html

Yes, a purpose built Mustang "not quite" beating the vehicle it was purpose built to beat. Impressive.

/Would take the M3 over the Mustang
//Mustang has come a long way, is very nice
///My Kia has an IRS. Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!

I hardly think a .09 second difference on a track is much considering the M3 costs $26,750 more than the Mustang it "beat".


But what does the money go to? Serious question, I haven't looked at the features/accessories. One would assume that a premium BMW would out-lux a Ford.
 
2012-08-19 01:47:40 PM  
Ford? That's rubbish. Probably half plastic and the wheels will fall off if you go around a corner.

resources1.news.com.au
 
2012-08-19 01:49:23 PM  

astouffer: Yeah and it will have a live rear axle with leaf spring suspension. The stock V6 Mustangs already snap driveshafts. I'd never buy a domestic car.


Those people snapping the driveshaft on their V6s have also pushed their cars well beyond the intended limits. (And people have pushed them a lot.) I already know if I want to mod mine I need to invest in a driveshaft first.

/was much poorer when I bought my V6
//it makes more sense for me to mod my car now than buy a new one
///figured I'd explain before someone asks why I didn't get the V8
 
2012-08-19 01:49:34 PM  

rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.


That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.
 
2012-08-19 01:54:06 PM  

3StratMan: Notabunny: Nice tribute, Ford. Proper color choice and badging, too. Good work. That grumpy old bastard would approve, and then ask, "Why not 1,000 horsepower?".

Link


fta "When we had Carroll in Vegas to drive the 800-horse version of the Super Snake," explains Shelby's Gary Patterson, "we all expected to get a bunch of accolades and 'attaboys' after he finished driving the car. But even before the car had stopped rolling, Carroll was asking us when we'd have a 1000-horse Mustang."

HA! That crusty old fart was authentic to the end. Good for him!
 
2012-08-19 02:09:12 PM  
Why?
What was wrong with the super snake?
1000hp
 
2012-08-19 02:09:43 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.


Out of curiosity, let's say you're not mechanically savy and don't even have a garage to work in. Are there places that will build the kit for you and how much might they cost?
 
2012-08-19 02:10:01 PM  
Me want!

Though my favorite car ever is the Shelby Mustang Cobra GT500
 
2012-08-19 02:19:49 PM  

Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]


I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

dev01.press.jhu.edu
 
2012-08-19 02:20:19 PM  

Invisible Dynamite Monkey: Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.

Out of curiosity, let's say you're not mechanically savy and don't even have a garage to work in. Are there places that will build the kit for you and how much might they cost?


My shop in Indiana could do it, but it looks like you're in MA.

Any kit would be a few thousand plus about $2k to paint it. Not counting the paint, which is easily quantified depending on what you want, your quote is going to come down to how cheap you're trying to do it. If you bring a 1985 donor car and kit, that's the beginning of a nightmare for us, though to you it seems like the "cheap" route. Putting a kit together with parts from a car of reasonable age and condition would be a lot easier and shorten the expensive per-hour shop time.
 
2012-08-19 02:22:17 PM  
I wish they hadn't changed the latest Mustang from the concept car. The concept car was awesome but then they made minor tweaks to "mainstream" it and turned it into shiat, especially the back half of the car.

The concept was chopped and sloped slightly down in the rear, giving it a sophisticated Euro look. The production car is tall, fat, and the rear sticks up in the air like it's begging to be ass raped.
 
Ehh
2012-08-19 02:28:28 PM  

Interceptor1: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]


Who needs windshield wipers?
 
2012-08-19 02:35:09 PM  

Zizzowop: That original should have sold for a lot more too. The funny thing about the Daytona Coupes is after their international tour they were retired from racing and no one wanted them. Imagine if you were one of the people that turned down the chance to buy one back in the 60's.



I read somewhere they sold for about 5K each back in the day. I guess they lost their appeal once Carol Shelby moved on to the GT 40 project. The sixties produced an amazing number of classic cars from American manufacturers. Not so much any more.

Yes, the GR1 is very pretty.
 
2012-08-19 02:35:59 PM  

brukmann:

Any kit would be a few thousand plus about $2k to paint it. Not counting the paint, which is easily quantified depending on what you want, your quote is going to come down to how cheap you're trying to do it. If you bring a 1985 donor car and kit, that's the beginning of a nightmare for us, though to you it seems like the "cheap" route. Putting a kit together with parts from a car of reasonable age and condition would be a lot easier and shorten the expensive per-hour shop time.




No kidding? Didn't realize that would be a pain. I guess having to retrofit the donor car?

Would definitely love to have one of those Factory Five ones. I know Shelby American still builds them and you can get one with an aluminum body... but not too many people have that much cash to sink into a toy.
 
2012-08-19 02:39:48 PM  
 
2012-08-19 02:42:00 PM  

Invisible Dynamite Monkey: Out of curiosity, let's say you're not mechanically savy and don't even have a garage to work in. Are there places that will build the kit for you and how much might they cost?


Yes. I haven't priced it out but one builder is Gordon Levy of Levy Racing. I have not done business with him but many FFR owners have. he seems to have a good reputation.
 
2012-08-19 02:50:49 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.


Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.
 
2012-08-19 02:52:28 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: brukmann:

Any kit would be a few thousand plus about $2k to paint it. Not counting the paint, which is easily quantified depending on what you want, your quote is going to come down to how cheap you're trying to do it. If you bring a 1985 donor car and kit, that's the beginning of a nightmare for us, though to you it seems like the "cheap" route. Putting a kit together with parts from a car of reasonable age and condition would be a lot easier and shorten the expensive per-hour shop time.



No kidding? Didn't realize that would be a pain. I guess having to retrofit the donor car?

Would definitely love to have one of those Factory Five ones. I know Shelby American still builds them and you can get one with an aluminum body... but not too many people have that much cash to sink into a toy.


I'm going the complete kit route. No donor car. All you have to supply is engine, trans, and diff. I do not want to inherit someone else's problems.
 
2012-08-19 02:57:16 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: No kidding? Didn't realize that would be a pain. I guess having to retrofit the donor car?

Would definitely love to have one of those Factory Five ones. I know Shelby American still builds them and you can get one with an aluminum body... but not too many people have that much cash to sink into a toy.


It would be a dream to lovingly assemble Factory Five kits every day. A place like Shelby might do a great job, but their prices are going to be premium (for little to no reason).

My best advice? Go to all the independent shops in one's area and ask them if they'd like a project like that in the winter/slow months. That would be the best time for my shop to do it--we wouldn't have the pressure to speed the job through. You have to find a shop that is either obsessed with quality (like ours) or that isn't high-production; in the winter you may find both in one place.
 
2012-08-19 03:05:41 PM  

rohar: As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.


Indeed the Mustang is quite a good car. The only problem is all the Eurotrash that Ford decided to make in place of all the US-based designs of the other cars and trucks. 

No amount of power is "more than necessary" - that kind of thinking is why Ford has all those 4-bangers where a proper 6 would have done the job nicely.
 
2012-08-19 03:13:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Ford? That's rubbish. Probably half plastic and the wheels will fall off if you go around a corner.

[resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


And that's bullshiat too. Look at the Boss 302 Laguna Seca. But then again, it's not a stock Mustang, and they actually did something with the farkin' suspension...
 
2012-08-19 03:14:36 PM  

sethstorm: rohar: As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Indeed the Mustang is quite a good car. The only problem is all the Eurotrash that Ford decided to make in place of all the US-based designs of the other cars and trucks. 

No amount of power is "more than necessary" - that kind of thinking is why Ford has all those 4-bangers where a proper 6 would have done the job nicely.


The new turbo 4s are pretty slick. Drive an Escape with the V6 back to back with a new one with the 2 liter turbo and the new one feels noticeably quicker and more responsive.

The Focus ST with the 252 hp turbo 4 is going to be an absolute blast.
 
2012-08-19 03:39:17 PM  
TuteTibiImperes:
The new turbo 4s are pretty slick. Drive an Escape with the V6 back to back with a new one with the 2 liter turbo and the new one feels noticeably quicker and more responsive.


Then refit the 6 with some sort of 'charger ontop of the 6 - or a beefier V6. The worst choice is to go with the hippie-friendly & European-inspired I-4 with a turbo.


The Focus ST with the 252 hp turbo 4 is going to be an absolute blast.

The Focus is part of why allowing European cars to substitute for the proper American design is a bad idea. Have your rallycart, but don't make it such that getting anything else is like pulling out teeth. Then again, one might want to refit the Focus with a proper & turboless 6 as a US-exclusive version; a turboless version of the V6 that the Mustang has would do nicely. What you could do with an I-4, such a V6-equipped Focus would offend the hippies and provide for plenty of blast-off opportunity.

Thankfully Chrysler and GM have largely not followed Ford's insanity. They offer more car per dollar versus Eurotrash manufacturers and offer the choice of a thundering engine for us mere mortals.

/No car from Ford I've driven ever had a turbocharger or needed one to do well.
//Whether it was a 2006 Mustang(V6, rental)
///a 1967 Mustang (I-6 automatic)
////or a late 70's Cougar XR7 (351 V8)
 
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