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(LA Times)   Ford unveils Shelby Cobra with a monster 850-horsepower engine. Difficulty: There's only one available   (latimes.com) divider line 150
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2012-08-19 08:32:33 AM
Dibbs. Because I live my life a quarter of a mile at a time.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:44 AM
fark yes. That is all.
 
2012-08-19 09:32:46 AM
Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

/first car was a 69 boss 302
//and a hunk of junk
 
2012-08-19 09:48:22 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

/first car was a 69 boss 302
//and a hunk of junk


Don't know much about their suspensions, do you?
 
2012-08-19 11:06:09 AM
I recently bought the '13 GT500 with 662HP. If you let the tires warm up a bit, the power goes down nicely enough without fighting the traction control too much. If they're cold the traction control might as well not be there. It will never corner like a 458 Italia, but controlling the muscle is what's fun to some of us, not winning a road course competition.
 
2012-08-19 11:08:20 AM
yafh.com
 
2012-08-19 11:10:53 AM
I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.


/one ran over my neighbor
 
2012-08-19 11:24:28 AM

PreMortem: I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.


/one ran over my neighbor


Yeah, it's in all the papers
 
2012-08-19 11:29:06 AM

Outtaphase: [yafh.com image 684x427]


Nice! If I had a spare 60K laying around I'd get one.

Rumor mill has it that the 2014's will have an independent rear suspension.
 
2012-08-19 11:31:33 AM

PreMortem: I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.


You could use some Mojo Nixon.
 
2012-08-19 11:31:34 AM

Lsherm: Rumor mill has it that the 2014's will have an independent rear suspension.


'14's will be pretty much identical to '13 from what I hear. The '15 will be a major overhaul for the whole Mustang line.
 
2012-08-19 11:32:35 AM

Outtaphase: Lsherm: Rumor mill has it that the 2014's will have an independent rear suspension.

'14's will be pretty much identical to '13 from what I hear. The '15 will be a major overhaul for the whole Mustang line.


Awesome, that's right around when I'm planning on getting a new one. If it does have an independent suspension, look out. It could actually corner!
 
2012-08-19 11:37:46 AM
I would so crash that within an hour of leaving the dealership.
 
2012-08-19 11:38:27 AM
But does it have Rack and Peanut steering?
 
2012-08-19 11:38:52 AM
Fuel tank emptied in 12 minutes running flat out.
 
2012-08-19 11:40:35 AM

Outtaphase: Lsherm: Rumor mill has it that the 2014's will have an independent rear suspension.

'14's will be pretty much identical to '13 from what I hear. The '15 will be a major overhaul for the whole Mustang line.


Yeah, whoops. 2015
 
2012-08-19 11:40:40 AM
/Yes, Americans love putting dragster engines on baby-carriage suspensions.
//Go, Merikuns!
 
2012-08-19 11:40:53 AM
jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

Gonna have tryouts?
 
2012-08-19 11:43:50 AM

HeadKase: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

/first car was a 69 boss 302
//and a hunk of junk

Don't know much about their suspensions, do you?


Actually, it would appear he does.


//Did they at least beef up the rear sway bar this time?



//First car was a '68 with a 289. Loved that car.
 
2012-08-19 11:44:42 AM
Nice tribute, Ford. Proper color choice and badging, too. Good work. That grumpy old bastard would approve, and then ask, "Why not 1,000 horsepower?".
 
2012-08-19 11:45:10 AM
Those are some butt ugly cars.
 
2012-08-19 11:46:57 AM
R.I.P. Shelby Lynne

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-08-19 11:48:19 AM
Mustangs are like tampons, sooner or later, every pussy gets one.
 
2012-08-19 11:48:48 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.


You'd think that a fixed rear axel would really affect cornering performance, but side-by-side tests with a pro driving the 2011 Mustang GT and 2011 M3 show there's not much different on an actual track:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html
 
2012-08-19 11:52:20 AM
Yeah and it will have a live rear axle with leaf spring suspension. The stock V6 Mustangs already snap driveshafts. I'd never buy a domestic car.
 
Skr
2012-08-19 11:52:54 AM
It looks decent, but strikes me as being a little on the generic side of design.
 
2012-08-19 11:56:18 AM

Honest Bender: Those are some butt ugly cars.


Meh, I rather like the look of the Shelbys.

Had a guy in a convertible 2011-2012 Shelby want to play on the way home from work last week (in one of the biggest speed trap parts of town no less). I'm in my stone-stock WRX wagon. Like to play outside your weight class much mister?

I think it's the (functional) hood scoop on WRX's that does it to DB's. So many cars, including Mustangs, have non-functional scoops, they think it makes the car look mean or something. I mean, FFS, I drive a goddamn wagon.

/CSB
 
2012-08-19 11:57:32 AM
And it actually looks good...

Unlike that horrifically ugly and severely over rated Veyron.
 
2012-08-19 11:57:46 AM

czei: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

You'd think that a fixed rear axel would really affect cornering performance, but side-by-side tests with a pro driving the 2011 Mustang GT and 2011 M3 show there's not much different on an actual track:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html


It's still a track. Drive them on a POS road and you'll really get that hopping experience Mustangs are known for.

/still WANT
 
2012-08-19 11:57:59 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Awesome, that's right around when I'm planning on getting a new one. If it does have an independent suspension, look out. It could actually corner!


If you are seriously considering a '15, have your research and order ready to place by December 2013.

For example, last day to order a '13 is Nov. 29 2012 (at this point). Order banks for '14's will open in December 2012. Production will change over from '13 to '14 in March 2013. If you want to avoid the ridiculous mark-ups dealers are putting on cars, order early to get straight MSRP (unlikely you will beat that anywhere).

Ask the dealer about their allocation history, and if they are part of the Ford SVT sales plan. If they have not sold Shelby's before, they are unlikely to get an allocation. SVT certified dealers usually only get 1 or 2 allocations. Some dealers will take your deposit and put the order in anyway knowing full well that you will not get that car.
 
2012-08-19 11:58:47 AM
fark that.

/MOPAR!
 
2012-08-19 12:00:52 PM
Jay Leno immediately ejaculated all over it.

Mavis sighs.
 
2012-08-19 12:03:40 PM
Sweet. I'm heading to work at Laguna Seca. I'll have to check this out.

Is there an easy way to post pics straight from my iPhone to the mobile site?
 
2012-08-19 12:04:01 PM
850 hp? I doubt I could drive it on the street with this massive erection.
 
2012-08-19 12:11:26 PM

Outtaphase: For example, last day to order a '13 is Nov. 29 2012 (at this point). Order banks for '14's will open in December 2012. Production will change over from '13 to '14 in March 2013. If you want to avoid the ridiculous mark-ups dealers are putting on cars, order early to get straight MSRP (unlikely you will beat that anywhere).

Ask the dealer about their allocation history, and if they are part of the Ford SVT sales plan. If they have not sold Shelby's before, they are unlikely to get an allocation. SVT certified dealers usually only get 1 or 2 allocations. Some dealers will take your deposit and put the order in anyway knowing full well that you will not get that car


I'm already ahead of you. My father has done taxes for the guy who owns the Ford dealership in his hometown for 30 years. I'm planning to go through him.
 
2012-08-19 12:12:30 PM
If you want a Shelby go with this:
www.musclecarrestorations.com
 
2012-08-19 12:13:24 PM

DrMcNinja: But does it have Rack and Peanut steering?


This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2012-08-19 12:20:26 PM
Someone call me when Hertz starts renting them again.

/ we'll have a party because it means all lawyers are dead !
 
2012-08-19 12:20:45 PM

cameroncrazy1984: My father has done taxes for the guy who owns the Ford dealership in his hometown for 30 years. I'm planning to go through him.


Because in the USSA, nothing trumps intentional scarcity like personal connections.
 
2012-08-19 12:21:54 PM

astouffer: Y I'd never buy a domestic car.


Beautiful. More for me to choose from.
 
2012-08-19 12:22:32 PM

Honest Bender: Those are some butt ugly cars.


anomit.com
 
2012-08-19 12:23:08 PM

czei: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

You'd think that a fixed rear axel would really affect cornering performance, but side-by-side tests with a pro driving the 2011 Mustang GT and 2011 M3 show there's not much different on an actual track:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html


Yes, a purpose built Mustang "not quite" beating the vehicle it was purpose built to beat. Impressive.

/Would take the M3 over the Mustang
//Mustang has come a long way, is very nice
///My Kia has an IRS. Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!
 
2012-08-19 12:23:15 PM
Do you accept a check?
 
2012-08-19 12:25:57 PM
On a side note, I hope whoever buys it drives it. Don't put that shiat in a garage. Unleash that puppy on the road.
 
2012-08-19 12:28:53 PM

IvanTheSilent: Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!


Ford said that it would make the car too expensive.

That's what they said on Top Gear, anyway.
 
2012-08-19 12:33:48 PM

URAPNIS: IvanTheSilent: Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!

Ford said that it would make the car too expensive.

That's what they said on Top Gear, anyway.


I call bullshiat. IRS's have been around since what, the late '50s? If they can't figure out how to build one on the cheap, they aren't trying.

/I repeat
//My KIA has an IRS. Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!
 
2012-08-19 12:36:11 PM

Outtaphase: [yafh.com image 684x427]


WANT
 
2012-08-19 12:36:46 PM
WANT
 
2012-08-19 12:38:21 PM

Notabunny: Nice tribute, Ford. Proper color choice and badging, too. Good work. That grumpy old bastard would approve, and then ask, "Why not 1,000 horsepower?".


Link
 
2012-08-19 12:40:19 PM
in b4 all the Persians in my neighborhood paint and badge their stock 2012s to look like that

/2004 Intrepid SXT 250hp 21mpg city
//balsa-glass hybrid transmission
 
2012-08-19 12:40:52 PM
encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-19 12:43:40 PM
I'm sick and tired of hearing the kid next door fire up his supercharged cobra with 3" exhaust every morning. Why the hell won't he crash the damn thing already? 

/harrumph!
 
2012-08-19 12:44:08 PM

Rapmaster2000: I would so crash that within an hour of leaving the dealership.


So would nearly everyone, likely myself included if we're being honest here. Most folk have no comprehension. An admirable creation though.
 
Ehh
2012-08-19 12:47:09 PM

Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]


No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.
 
2012-08-19 12:47:19 PM
why does the paint job look like a jigsaw puzzle? the passenger side rear quarter and rocker panels look like.... fark it. the paint simply doesn't match up on the passenger side. i don't care if you argue it is some lighting/photog bullshiat. that car was scrapped up and bandaids were applied.
 
2012-08-19 12:50:11 PM

IvanTheSilent: I call bullshiat. IRS's have been around since what, the late '50s?


Even before that. The Kubelwagon went into mass production in 1940. There's probably earlier examples but I'm too lazy to look.
 
2012-08-19 12:52:04 PM

elvisaintdead: PreMortem: I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.

You could use some Mojo Nixon.


Was not aware of this but am now going to the bar and saturate it with this sound.

Thanks
 
2012-08-19 01:04:33 PM

HeadKase: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

/first car was a 69 boss 302
//and a hunk of junk

Don't know much about their suspensions, do you?


Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?
 
2012-08-19 01:07:46 PM

Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.


Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.
 
2012-08-19 01:09:39 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?


If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.
 
2012-08-19 01:10:22 PM
I'm sure it will be priced out of the range of anyone with the skill to not wreck it the first weekend.
 
2012-08-19 01:11:16 PM

consider this: So for twice the cash a plain GT would have cost, you can get to the next red light 1 second faster. Sounds like a smart buying decision.


Quite a bit more than 1 second actually. I traded my '10 GT Premium for it. Totally night and day in many regards, not just the drag race.
 
2012-08-19 01:12:43 PM

Outtaphase: Quite a bit more than 1 second actually. I traded my '10 GT Premium for it. Totally night and day in many regards, not just the drag race


Oh, and only about 50% more on the cost, if we're talking a loaded GT premium or Boss 302.
 
2012-08-19 01:16:54 PM
Why is creating one more difficult than creating several? Submitter is weird.
 
2012-08-19 01:17:03 PM

Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]


Perhaps you can get this one cheap Link
 
2012-08-19 01:19:04 PM

MoparPower: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

Perhaps you can get this one cheap Link


Ouch!
 
2012-08-19 01:19:58 PM
Difficulty: It's still a Ford
 
2012-08-19 01:20:06 PM

Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.


I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.
 
2012-08-19 01:28:01 PM
aytm.com
 
2012-08-19 01:28:33 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.

I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.


You know how I know you don't know how a supercharger works?
 
2012-08-19 01:28:49 PM

MoparPower: Perhaps you can get this one cheap Link


Damn. Bet his Allstate agent just downloaded a ton of brownware.
 
2012-08-19 01:32:11 PM

IvanTheSilent: czei: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

You'd think that a fixed rear axel would really affect cornering performance, but side-by-side tests with a pro driving the 2011 Mustang GT and 2011 M3 show there's not much different on an actual track:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html

Yes, a purpose built Mustang "not quite" beating the vehicle it was purpose built to beat. Impressive.

/Would take the M3 over the Mustang
//Mustang has come a long way, is very nice
///My Kia has an IRS. Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!


I hardly think a .09 second difference on a track is much considering the M3 costs $26,750 more than the Mustang it "beat".
 
2012-08-19 01:33:16 PM

rohar: TuteTibiImperes: Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.

I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.

You know how I know you don't know how a supercharger works?


I'm not talking about turbo lag, and I might have phrased it badly, but yes, a supercharger does have moving parts that create additional drag before the increased air flow can result in more power.
 
Ehh
2012-08-19 01:36:26 PM

Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.


Congratulations!

/"Now that there"
 
2012-08-19 01:37:13 PM
Difficulty: Carroll Shelby is dead.
 
2012-08-19 01:41:31 PM

TuteTibiImperes: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: Outtaphase: The Irresponsible Captain: Top Gear may not be the best by-the-book auto show, but the Roush beat the Shelby a few years back with their professional driver. The Shelby had more horsepower, but was slower on the test track. Can you explain how Shelby has improved their suspension in the last few years to solve these problems?

If you're talking about the British version, they tested an '05 or '07 as I recall. The suspension is significantly improved since then. The '13 has electronically adjustable dampers and steering, as well as about a dozen racing modes to choose from. Roush's are custom built, so there's no telling what they will do to a '13 to improve it, but for the money they can always do so.

The '13 Boss 302 Laguna Seca edition handles really well from what I hear.

I prefer the Boss 302 to the Shelby. The Shelby is a beast, and very impressive, but the Boss feels more natural and nimble. The power delivery is instantaneous on the Boss, especially with the TracKey software enabled. The gearing on the MT82 is also more aggressive than on the Tremec unit in the Shelby, and the clutch feel is better.

The Shelby will beat the pants off the boss given a long enough straight, but the the Boss has the edge right off the line while the Shelby is still waiting for the supercharger to fully kick in.

You know how I know you don't know how a supercharger works?

I'm not talking about turbo lag, and I might have phrased it badly, but yes, a supercharger does have moving parts that create additional drag before the increased air flow can result in more power.


Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
 
2012-08-19 01:45:44 PM

Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.


That original should have sold for a lot more too. The funny thing about the Daytona Coupes is after their international tour they were retired from racing and no one wanted them. Imagine if you were one of the people that turned down the chance to buy one back in the 60's.

This car is also cool

Link
 
2012-08-19 01:46:19 PM

czei: IvanTheSilent: czei: Marcus Aurelius: Good luck putting down all that power with their piece of crap suspension. If you stick to a straight line on a very smooth surface, you might be OK.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/1010_2011_2011_ford_mustan g _gt_vs_2011_bmw_m3_comparison/viewall.html

Yes, a purpose built Mustang "not quite" beating the vehicle it was purpose built to beat. Impressive.

/Would take the M3 over the Mustang
//Mustang has come a long way, is very nice
///My Kia has an IRS. Whar Independence, Ford? WHAR?!

I hardly think a .09 second difference on a track is much considering the M3 costs $26,750 more than the Mustang it "beat".


But what does the money go to? Serious question, I haven't looked at the features/accessories. One would assume that a premium BMW would out-lux a Ford.
 
2012-08-19 01:47:40 PM
Ford? That's rubbish. Probably half plastic and the wheels will fall off if you go around a corner.

resources1.news.com.au
 
2012-08-19 01:49:23 PM

astouffer: Yeah and it will have a live rear axle with leaf spring suspension. The stock V6 Mustangs already snap driveshafts. I'd never buy a domestic car.


Those people snapping the driveshaft on their V6s have also pushed their cars well beyond the intended limits. (And people have pushed them a lot.) I already know if I want to mod mine I need to invest in a driveshaft first.

/was much poorer when I bought my V6
//it makes more sense for me to mod my car now than buy a new one
///figured I'd explain before someone asks why I didn't get the V8
 
2012-08-19 01:49:34 PM

rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.


That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.
 
2012-08-19 01:54:06 PM

3StratMan: Notabunny: Nice tribute, Ford. Proper color choice and badging, too. Good work. That grumpy old bastard would approve, and then ask, "Why not 1,000 horsepower?".

Link


fta "When we had Carroll in Vegas to drive the 800-horse version of the Super Snake," explains Shelby's Gary Patterson, "we all expected to get a bunch of accolades and 'attaboys' after he finished driving the car. But even before the car had stopped rolling, Carroll was asking us when we'd have a 1000-horse Mustang."

HA! That crusty old fart was authentic to the end. Good for him!
 
2012-08-19 02:09:12 PM
Why?
What was wrong with the super snake?
1000hp
 
2012-08-19 02:09:43 PM

Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.


Out of curiosity, let's say you're not mechanically savy and don't even have a garage to work in. Are there places that will build the kit for you and how much might they cost?
 
2012-08-19 02:10:01 PM
Me want!

Though my favorite car ever is the Shelby Mustang Cobra GT500
 
2012-08-19 02:19:49 PM

Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]


I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

dev01.press.jhu.edu
 
2012-08-19 02:20:19 PM

Invisible Dynamite Monkey: Odoriferous Queef: Ehh: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

No that there is a Shelby worth lusting over.

Beautiful aren't they? An original sold for 7.25 million in 2009.
That photo is actually of a replica manufactured by Factory Five Racing. I'll be picking one up first or second quarter next year. Can't wait. With a jazzed up 302 it will do 0-60 in about 3.6 seconds.

Out of curiosity, let's say you're not mechanically savy and don't even have a garage to work in. Are there places that will build the kit for you and how much might they cost?


My shop in Indiana could do it, but it looks like you're in MA.

Any kit would be a few thousand plus about $2k to paint it. Not counting the paint, which is easily quantified depending on what you want, your quote is going to come down to how cheap you're trying to do it. If you bring a 1985 donor car and kit, that's the beginning of a nightmare for us, though to you it seems like the "cheap" route. Putting a kit together with parts from a car of reasonable age and condition would be a lot easier and shorten the expensive per-hour shop time.
 
2012-08-19 02:22:17 PM
I wish they hadn't changed the latest Mustang from the concept car. The concept car was awesome but then they made minor tweaks to "mainstream" it and turned it into shiat, especially the back half of the car.

The concept was chopped and sloped slightly down in the rear, giving it a sophisticated Euro look. The production car is tall, fat, and the rear sticks up in the air like it's begging to be ass raped.
 
Ehh
2012-08-19 02:28:28 PM

Interceptor1: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]


Who needs windshield wipers?
 
2012-08-19 02:35:09 PM

Zizzowop: That original should have sold for a lot more too. The funny thing about the Daytona Coupes is after their international tour they were retired from racing and no one wanted them. Imagine if you were one of the people that turned down the chance to buy one back in the 60's.



I read somewhere they sold for about 5K each back in the day. I guess they lost their appeal once Carol Shelby moved on to the GT 40 project. The sixties produced an amazing number of classic cars from American manufacturers. Not so much any more.

Yes, the GR1 is very pretty.
 
2012-08-19 02:35:59 PM

brukmann:

Any kit would be a few thousand plus about $2k to paint it. Not counting the paint, which is easily quantified depending on what you want, your quote is going to come down to how cheap you're trying to do it. If you bring a 1985 donor car and kit, that's the beginning of a nightmare for us, though to you it seems like the "cheap" route. Putting a kit together with parts from a car of reasonable age and condition would be a lot easier and shorten the expensive per-hour shop time.




No kidding? Didn't realize that would be a pain. I guess having to retrofit the donor car?

Would definitely love to have one of those Factory Five ones. I know Shelby American still builds them and you can get one with an aluminum body... but not too many people have that much cash to sink into a toy.
 
2012-08-19 02:39:48 PM
 
2012-08-19 02:42:00 PM

Invisible Dynamite Monkey: Out of curiosity, let's say you're not mechanically savy and don't even have a garage to work in. Are there places that will build the kit for you and how much might they cost?


Yes. I haven't priced it out but one builder is Gordon Levy of Levy Racing. I have not done business with him but many FFR owners have. he seems to have a good reputation.
 
2012-08-19 02:50:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.


Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.
 
2012-08-19 02:52:28 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: brukmann:

Any kit would be a few thousand plus about $2k to paint it. Not counting the paint, which is easily quantified depending on what you want, your quote is going to come down to how cheap you're trying to do it. If you bring a 1985 donor car and kit, that's the beginning of a nightmare for us, though to you it seems like the "cheap" route. Putting a kit together with parts from a car of reasonable age and condition would be a lot easier and shorten the expensive per-hour shop time.



No kidding? Didn't realize that would be a pain. I guess having to retrofit the donor car?

Would definitely love to have one of those Factory Five ones. I know Shelby American still builds them and you can get one with an aluminum body... but not too many people have that much cash to sink into a toy.


I'm going the complete kit route. No donor car. All you have to supply is engine, trans, and diff. I do not want to inherit someone else's problems.
 
2012-08-19 02:57:16 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: No kidding? Didn't realize that would be a pain. I guess having to retrofit the donor car?

Would definitely love to have one of those Factory Five ones. I know Shelby American still builds them and you can get one with an aluminum body... but not too many people have that much cash to sink into a toy.


It would be a dream to lovingly assemble Factory Five kits every day. A place like Shelby might do a great job, but their prices are going to be premium (for little to no reason).

My best advice? Go to all the independent shops in one's area and ask them if they'd like a project like that in the winter/slow months. That would be the best time for my shop to do it--we wouldn't have the pressure to speed the job through. You have to find a shop that is either obsessed with quality (like ours) or that isn't high-production; in the winter you may find both in one place.
 
2012-08-19 03:05:41 PM

rohar: As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.


Indeed the Mustang is quite a good car. The only problem is all the Eurotrash that Ford decided to make in place of all the US-based designs of the other cars and trucks. 

No amount of power is "more than necessary" - that kind of thinking is why Ford has all those 4-bangers where a proper 6 would have done the job nicely.
 
2012-08-19 03:13:37 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Ford? That's rubbish. Probably half plastic and the wheels will fall off if you go around a corner.

[resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


And that's bullshiat too. Look at the Boss 302 Laguna Seca. But then again, it's not a stock Mustang, and they actually did something with the farkin' suspension...
 
2012-08-19 03:14:36 PM

sethstorm: rohar: As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Indeed the Mustang is quite a good car. The only problem is all the Eurotrash that Ford decided to make in place of all the US-based designs of the other cars and trucks. 

No amount of power is "more than necessary" - that kind of thinking is why Ford has all those 4-bangers where a proper 6 would have done the job nicely.


The new turbo 4s are pretty slick. Drive an Escape with the V6 back to back with a new one with the 2 liter turbo and the new one feels noticeably quicker and more responsive.

The Focus ST with the 252 hp turbo 4 is going to be an absolute blast.
 
2012-08-19 03:39:17 PM
TuteTibiImperes:
The new turbo 4s are pretty slick. Drive an Escape with the V6 back to back with a new one with the 2 liter turbo and the new one feels noticeably quicker and more responsive.


Then refit the 6 with some sort of 'charger ontop of the 6 - or a beefier V6. The worst choice is to go with the hippie-friendly & European-inspired I-4 with a turbo.


The Focus ST with the 252 hp turbo 4 is going to be an absolute blast.

The Focus is part of why allowing European cars to substitute for the proper American design is a bad idea. Have your rallycart, but don't make it such that getting anything else is like pulling out teeth. Then again, one might want to refit the Focus with a proper & turboless 6 as a US-exclusive version; a turboless version of the V6 that the Mustang has would do nicely. What you could do with an I-4, such a V6-equipped Focus would offend the hippies and provide for plenty of blast-off opportunity.

Thankfully Chrysler and GM have largely not followed Ford's insanity. They offer more car per dollar versus Eurotrash manufacturers and offer the choice of a thundering engine for us mere mortals.

/No car from Ford I've driven ever had a turbocharger or needed one to do well.
//Whether it was a 2006 Mustang(V6, rental)
///a 1967 Mustang (I-6 automatic)
////or a late 70's Cougar XR7 (351 V8)
 
2012-08-19 03:42:46 PM
Doesn't the Roush already have independent rear suspension? It's criminal that's not standard already.
 
2012-08-19 03:44:10 PM
I bet that piece of shiat still has a live rear axle
 
2012-08-19 03:45:53 PM

sethstorm: TuteTibiImperes:
The new turbo 4s are pretty slick. Drive an Escape with the V6 back to back with a new one with the 2 liter turbo and the new one feels noticeably quicker and more responsive.

Then refit the 6 with some sort of 'charger ontop of the 6 - or a beefier V6. The worst choice is to go with the hippie-friendly & European-inspired I-4 with a turbo.


The Focus ST with the 252 hp turbo 4 is going to be an absolute blast.

The Focus is part of why allowing European cars to substitute for the proper American design is a bad idea. Have your rallycart, but don't make it such that getting anything else is like pulling out teeth. Then again, one might want to refit the Focus with a proper & turboless 6 as a US-exclusive version; a turboless version of the V6 that the Mustang has would do nicely. What you could do with an I-4, such a V6-equipped Focus would offend the hippies and provide for plenty of blast-off opportunity.

Thankfully Chrysler and GM have largely not followed Ford's insanity...


Let me know when the Dart or the Cruze get a V6 option. Aside from the issues with fuel economy and the extra weight over the front axle that would create some handling issues, I'm not even sure a V6 would fit into any of those engine bays.
 
2012-08-19 03:46:38 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Ford? That's rubbish. Probably half plastic and the wheels will fall off if you go around a corner.

[resources1.news.com.au image 650x366]


Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy
 
2012-08-19 03:49:07 PM

Interceptor1: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]


Pretty. Love the carb setup. Very authentic even if it does cost some H.P. compared to more modern setups. Pin drive on that thing? I haven't seen you in the forums. Red or black body?
 
2012-08-19 03:52:31 PM

mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy


I loved all the butt-smooching he did when he was on the waiting list fo a new GT 40.
 
2012-08-19 03:54:12 PM

Odoriferous Queef: mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy

I loved all the butt-smooching he did when he was on the waiting list fo a new GT 40.


Most of that was tongue-in-cheek

Also, the love for the Focus, Mondeo, and new Fiesta is universal by the Top Gear staff.
 
2012-08-19 03:59:23 PM

mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy


static.guim.co.uk
Like the Americans could make a car that I'd want.
 
2012-08-19 04:04:46 PM
Gimme a '66 mustang in either lake placid blue or gunmetal gray any day of the week
and I'm a happy, happy girl.

/ a '53 or '57 Chevy Bel Air would not be looked at askance either
 
2012-08-19 04:08:05 PM

mattg: Odoriferous Queef: mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy

I loved all the butt-smooching he did when he was on the waiting list fo a new GT 40.

Most of that was tongue-in-cheek

Also, the love for the Focus, Mondeo, and new Fiesta is universal by the Top Gear staff.


Yes indeed. One thing i can't understand though, why didn't Ford pick up the Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust? They missed a great opportunity.
 
2012-08-19 04:12:02 PM

mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy


Yea. They loved the Mondeo, the Focus... which were designed in whole or in part in Europe. He had a GT, but the running gag the whole time it was featured was Clarkson running out of gas.

He's routinely critical of American cars with poor cornering performance, or low power for their displacement (what? a turbo on a non-performance car? are you mad!?!). But that has everything to do with being shiat cars, and nothing to do with being Fords. He hated the Vauxhall Vectra too.

Link
 
2012-08-19 04:12:43 PM

mattg: Odoriferous Queef: mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy

I loved all the butt-smooching he did when he was on the waiting list fo a new GT 40.

Most of that was tongue-in-cheek

Also, the love for the Focus, Mondeo, and new Fiesta is universal by the Top Gear staff.


Why the hell can't we get the Mondeo over here? And Ford's "the Fusion is close enough" answer is unacceptable.
 
2012-08-19 04:13:37 PM

Odoriferous Queef: mattg: Odoriferous Queef: mattg: Clarkson actually likes Fords, dummy

I loved all the butt-smooching he did when he was on the waiting list fo a new GT 40.

Most of that was tongue-in-cheek

Also, the love for the Focus, Mondeo, and new Fiesta is universal by the Top Gear staff.

Yes indeed. One thing i can't understand though, why didn't Ford pick up the Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust? They missed a great opportunity.


He was on the waiting list for a Ford GT. At least get the name right.
 
2012-08-19 04:32:04 PM

IvanTheSilent: Why the hell can't we get the Mondeo over here? And Ford's "the Fusion is close enough" answer is unacceptable.


For 2013 and beyond, the Fusion is the Mondeo, minus the hatchback and wagon versions, which we won't get here in the US (sadly).

/One Ford
//You can pry my '07 GT500 from my cold, dead hands
 
2012-08-19 05:08:21 PM

Arnprior Joe: He's routinely critical of American cars with poor cornering performance, or low power for their displacement (what? a turbo on a non-performance car? are you mad!?!). But that has everything to do with being shiat cars, and nothing to do with being Fords. He hated the Vauxhall Vectra too.


A turbocharger on a non-performance car is a half-arsed attempt substituting cylinder count and displacement for tons of hot air. That, and it doesn't help when said cars are pushed to levels not conducive for using non-premium fuels.

Consider that when you want to jump straight to a (turbo/super)charger.
 
2012-08-19 05:14:34 PM

PreMortem: elvisaintdead: PreMortem: I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.

You could use some Mojo Nixon.

Was not aware of this but am now going to the bar and saturate it with this sound.

Thanks


My pleasure.
Elvis is everywhere, man! :D
 
2012-08-19 05:20:08 PM

Odoriferous Queef: Interceptor1: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]

Pretty. Love the carb setup. Very authentic even if it does cost some H.P. compared to more modern setups. Pin drive on that thing? I haven't seen you in the forums. Red or black body?


Pin drive, black body, Inglese Fuel Injection, IRS, fuel cell, etc. Not on forum. All aluminum 351W punched out to 427 cubic inches and dynoed by Roush.
 
2012-08-19 05:34:12 PM

consider this: TuteTibiImperes: The Focus ST with the 252 hp turbo 4 is going to be an absolute blast.

I saw one on the road the other day. Bad ass little car.


Now I've got an earworm. Might as well share it.

Hey, little Cobra
Don't you know
You're gonna shut'em down
 
2012-08-19 06:16:42 PM

rohar: TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.

Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.


Maybe but I had a 71 240z in high school. It had a better chassis set up than a 2012 mustang. Marketing trumps realitity, 850 hp on that chassis has got to be bad, although probably not as bad as I imagine it to be. When ford can catch up to a 40 year old datsun I will be a little more impressed. 240z was a real sports car though so maybe the comparison isn't really fair.
 
2012-08-19 06:17:41 PM

Interceptor1:

Pin drive, black body, Inglese Fuel Injection, IRS, fuel cell, etc. Not on forum. All aluminum 351W punched out to 427 cubic inches and dynoed by Roush.


Very nice. missed the FI. Hard to tell from the pic. What did you go with for the transmission? I'm planing on a 302 punched to 306 (just .30 over) @ about 390 H.P. with a TKO 600 & 3.27 torsen diff.
 
2012-08-19 06:29:30 PM
Bill Cosby 200 MPH
 
2012-08-19 06:42:28 PM
Your problem with that much HP is getting it to the rear wheels in usable form.

The old Corvettes used to be notorious for that: They woukd burn rubber all the way through first and halfway through second, but all they did was slide sideways and ruin the tires. It was a while before the drivetrain caught up to the horswepower.
 
2012-08-19 06:44:18 PM

kapaso: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.

Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Maybe but I had a 71 240z in high school. It had a better chassis set up than a 2012 mustang. Marketing trumps realitity, 850 hp on that chassis has got to be bad, although probably not as bad as I imagine it to be. When ford can catch up to a 40 year old datsun I will be a little more impressed. 240z was a real sports car though so maybe the comparison isn't really fair.


What did you consider better about the 240Z chassis? IRS alone doesn't make a car better than another. The current Mustang outhandles the current Camaro in pretty much every test even though the Camaro has IRS.
 
2012-08-19 06:55:25 PM

TuteTibiImperes: kapaso: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.

Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Maybe but I had a 71 240z in high school. It had a better chassis set up than a 2012 mustang. Marketing trumps realitity, 850 hp on that chassis has got to be bad, although probably not as bad as I imagine it to be. When ford can catch up to a 40 year old datsun I will be a little more impressed. 240z was a real sports car though so maybe the comparison isn't really fair.

What did you consider better about the 240Z chassis? IRS alone doesn't make a car better than another. The current Mustang outhandles the current Camaro in pretty much every test even though the Camaro has IRS.


And it continues to hand the BMWs their asses in GARRA. Bark all you want about the rudimentary technology, it's a damned fast car.
 
2012-08-19 07:31:32 PM
Now my car is better. Porsche 962 customer built with a chevy 302 530hp with 4x48mm weber carbs. Bring it !!!

memimage.cardomain.com 

memimage.cardomain.com

store.brmmodelcars.com
 
2012-08-19 07:34:27 PM

Odoriferous Queef: Interceptor1:

Pin drive, black body, Inglese Fuel Injection, IRS, fuel cell, etc. Not on forum. All aluminum 351W punched out to 427 cubic inches and dynoed by Roush.

Very nice. missed the FI. Hard to tell from the pic. What did you go with for the transmission? I'm planing on a 302 punched to 306 (just .30 over) @ about 390 H.P. with a TKO 600 & 3.27 torsen diff.


Tremec 5 speed. It currently has 3.27 gears but they're coming out. Two thousand RPM in third is 60+ mph which is no good. Putting in 4.33's since I don't want a 200+ mph car. The car is for street use. It's already been well into the triple digits with no issues and never even thought about leaving fourth gear.

It's like a big go kart with serious power. Ditched most of the Factory 5 parts but kept the body and modified the chassis.
 
2012-08-19 07:48:06 PM

batalia: Now my car is better. Porsche 962 customer built with a chevy 302 530hp with 4x48mm weber carbs. Bring it !!!

[memimage.cardomain.com image 575x431] 

[memimage.cardomain.com image 575x425]

[store.brmmodelcars.com image 850x850]


Uh, that's not a car. It's expensive lawn art. If you've got about $30k on hand I can make it something.

Oh, and that's no more Porsche than a Cayenne. Sure, there's some Porsche plastic on it, but that's about it.

Good luck with it though.
 
2012-08-19 07:49:08 PM

Notabunny: Nice tribute, Ford. Proper color choice and badging, too. Good work. That grumpy old bastard would approve, and then ask, "Why not 1,000 horsepower?".


This grumpy old bastard is asking, "Hardtop? WTF is with the hardtop?"

Not gonna buy it... gotta have my ragtop.
 
2012-08-19 08:54:15 PM
Unless Obama gets elected again this November, I'm trading in my mustang for a new one.
I've had four....85, 89, 95, 99....my 99 only has 80k on it. I was going to get a new one this
year, but, I don't want car payments with this idiot in the White House. I've got enough in the
bank to hold me for about 6 months if something happened. No credit card bills, no bills of
anything other than the basics. Job is very stable, but I would rather not take a chance with
what might come from an unhinged Obama. If the economy starts to improve next spring,
I'm getting me a new one....if for anything else, because Ford is about to "Mustang 2" the next
model and make it look like all the other (.--- .- .--.) rice burners running around with their outboard
motor sounds.
 
2012-08-19 09:11:26 PM

rohar: TuteTibiImperes: kapaso: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.

Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Maybe but I had a 71 240z in high school. It had a better chassis set up than a 2012 mustang. Marketing trumps realitity, 850 hp on that chassis has got to be bad, although probably not as bad as I imagine it to be. When ford can catch up to a 40 year old datsun I will be a little more impressed. 240z was a real sports car though so maybe the comparison isn't really fair.

What did you consider better about the 240Z chassis? IRS alone doesn't make a car better than another. The current Mustang outhandles the current Camaro in pretty much every test even though the Camaro has IRS.

And it continues to hand the BMWs their asses in GARRA. Bark all you want about the rudimentary technology, it's a damned fast car.


Wut?

Last time I checked, the ZL1 was producing superior track times on a road course with an 80 hp deficit to the GT500, and beating it in drag tests once installed with a basic Hennessey package to bring it up to the 620 hp range. At any rate, every comparative review thus far has made note that the ZL1 has the better handling.

We were in the market for one, but now we're waiting on GM's inevitable response -- which Mustang fans should as well. Too many die-hards seem to forget that the current line up of the GT500 would have rolled out with a good 100 hp less if not for their friends at Chevrolet.
 
2012-08-19 09:23:29 PM

Beavz0r: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: kapaso: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.

Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Maybe but I had a 71 240z in high school. It had a better chassis set up than a 2012 mustang. Marketing trumps realitity, 850 hp on that chassis has got to be bad, although probably not as bad as I imagine it to be. When ford can catch up to a 40 year old datsun I will be a little more impressed. 240z was a real sports car though so maybe the comparison isn't really fair.

What did you consider better about the 240Z chassis? IRS alone doesn't make a car better than another. The current Mustang outhandles the current Camaro in pretty much every test even though the Camaro has IRS.

And it continues to hand the BMWs their asses in GARRA. Bark all you want about the rudimentary technology, it's a damned fast car.

Wut?

Last time I checked, the ZL1 was producing superior track times on a road course with an 80 hp deficit to the GT500, and beating it in drag tests once installed with a basic Hennessey package to bring it up to the 620 hp range. At any rate, every comparative review thus far has made note that the ZL1 has the better handling.

We were in the market for one, but now we're waiting on GM's inevitable response -- which Mustang fans should as well. Too many ...


You notice I didn't say anything about GM. It's getting to the point that American brands own GARRA. BMW's holding on, barely. Porsche, the winningest brand in motorsport, is nowhere to be seen. Mustangs and Camaros are cleaning house.

I'm curious as hell when one of them makes a Le Mans bid.

/I'm kinda married to Porsche
//It pains me to admit most of what I just did
 
2012-08-19 09:41:44 PM
Most of you don't know what you're talking about when you derp on about IRS. FORD HAD DEVELOPED AND TESTED AN IRS FOR THE ORIGINAL MUSTANG BACK IN 1965. The unit was tested on a Falcon........the original Mustang was a Falcon under the skin. The reason Ford suits chose not to go with the IRS is because the actuaries and accountants told them, correctly so, that an IRS would not lead to increased sales......Ford was already selling all the Mustangs it could build. An IRS would have done nothing for the bottom line. The majority of Mustang buyers back in the day didn't give a shiat about IRS, and the majority of Mustang buyers today don't give a shiat about IRS.....THAT'S WHY THE MUSTANG DOESN'T HAVE IRS.

Mustang IRS Video
 
2012-08-19 09:42:31 PM

Interceptor1: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]


Is that a Datsun 280z?
 
2012-08-19 11:03:17 PM

Frederick: Interceptor1

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]

Is that a Datsun 280z?


No. it's a highly modified ZAZ-968M Zaporozhets. 
I think interceptor1 did and awsome job with the conversion.
 
2012-08-19 11:25:11 PM
I spent the day out in my '64 1/2 Mustang convertible, so yes I do want one.

The rear seat in the early cars is useable by an adult.

/built 289with an Edelbrock carb and manifold
//T-5 Motorsport 5-speed
///Pony interior upgrade
 
2012-08-19 11:58:21 PM

elvisaintdead: PreMortem: I'd take a biatchin' camaro over a ford any day.

You could use some Mojo Nixon.


He don't work here.
 
2012-08-20 12:05:38 AM

markb289: I spent the day out in my '64 1/2 Mustang convertible, so yes I do want one.

The rear seat in the early cars is useable by an adult.

/built 289with an Edelbrock carb and manifold
//T-5 Motorsport 5-speed
///Pony interior upgrade


That was in an era where turbochargers were applied as intended, and golfcarts were things other countries made.

Oh, and having an automatic in a Mustang of that era is no problem. With the lack of power steering, I'd think it'd be a help.
 
2012-08-20 12:12:38 AM

rohar: Beavz0r: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: kapaso: rohar: TuteTibiImperes: rohar:

Thanks for confirming my suspicion.

That there is a range at low RPM in which the energy required to drive the supercharger exceeds the additional power supplied by the increased air displacement? You're welcome.

Sure, under 1500 rpm, that supercharger is almost as worthless as your opinion. Once you cross that line, hold on. Oh, and if you're trying to take down another car, you won't be under 1500 rpm.

As much as it pains me to say it, Ford is committed to making the Mustang awesome. The project manager on this version is a close contact. He's got his head in the right place. The car has way more power than is necessary, but they didn't neglect suspension and braking. It's a well rounded car and just flat out deserves respect.

Maybe but I had a 71 240z in high school. It had a better chassis set up than a 2012 mustang. Marketing trumps realitity, 850 hp on that chassis has got to be bad, although probably not as bad as I imagine it to be. When ford can catch up to a 40 year old datsun I will be a little more impressed. 240z was a real sports car though so maybe the comparison isn't really fair.

What did you consider better about the 240Z chassis? IRS alone doesn't make a car better than another. The current Mustang outhandles the current Camaro in pretty much every test even though the Camaro has IRS.

And it continues to hand the BMWs their asses in GARRA. Bark all you want about the rudimentary technology, it's a damned fast car.

Wut?

Last time I checked, the ZL1 was producing superior track times on a road course with an 80 hp deficit to the GT500, and beating it in drag tests once installed with a basic Hennessey package to bring it up to the 620 hp range. At any rate, every comparative review thus far has made note that the ZL1 has the better handling.

We were in the market for one, but now we're waiting on GM's inevitable response -- which Mustang fans should as well. Too many ...

You notice I didn't say anything about GM. It's getting to the point that American brands own GARRA. BMW's holding on, barely. Porsche, the winningest brand in motorsport, is nowhere to be seen. Mustangs and Camaros are cleaning house.

I'm curious as hell when one of them makes a Le Mans bid.

/I'm kinda married to Porsche
//It pains me to admit most of what I just did


Bah, meant to reply to TuteTibilmperes.

m.Fark does a terrible job of separating quotes from their comments (at least in Chrome, anyway).
 
2012-08-20 12:18:18 AM

Beavz0r: Bah, meant to reply to TuteTibilmperes.


If you look at it as an opportunity to push information rather than dogma, I thing we did well. The hell with the quote feature of m.fark.com!
 
2012-08-20 12:47:23 AM

Odoriferous Queef: Frederick: Interceptor1

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]

Is that a Datsun 280z?

No. it's a highly modified ZAZ-968M Zaporozhets. 
I think interceptor1 did and awsome job with the conversion.


Oh. Thanks for the info; I'll google that. I read that earlier in the thread, but didnt understand what it meant....

\looks like a 280z
 
2012-08-20 12:50:36 AM

Beavz0r:


Bah, meant to reply to TuteTibilmperes.


I was thinking more along the lines of the Mustang GT vs the Camaro SS, I remember the reviews being pretty unanimous that the Mustang felt lighter and easier to toss around the track. I didn't even realize the ZL1 was out, I haven't paid a lot of attention to it. When it comes to the Shelby there's an additional 200-250 lbs of weight compared to the GT and it all sits over the front wheels, that's going to hurt handling.

I haven't driven a 2013 Shelby yet, but compared to the 2011 GT500 the Boss 302 feels more natural and connected. Yes, it's down on power, but even a base Mustang GT or Camaro SS has way more power than you'll ever need. Personally I think the responsiveness and handling on the Boss give it an edge when it comes to the car that's more fun to drive.
 
2012-08-20 02:46:56 AM
I'd love to get hold of the engine for a few weeks to hook it up to a huge siren so I can play it when cars with boom boxes drive down our street with their windows open and create enough noise to rattle our double pane windows and our floors through the carpets. About 5 seconds of such a device might just send them a message - when they get back their hearing! FYI: In our town (Fremont, CA) the cops won't do anything about it as despite it being against the law, they choose not to enforce it as they don't collect enough money from the fines. Here is the web site to Chrysler's version,

http://chryslerairraidsiren.com
 
2012-08-20 04:10:38 AM
I looked at the speedometer... The speedometer starts at zero and goes all the way up around to TWO HUNDRED M. P. H., and under the "200" there's still more room, and the words, "Oh wow".
 
2012-08-20 05:07:09 AM

Frederick: Interceptor1: Odoriferous Queef: If you want a Shelby go with this:
[www.musclecarrestorations.com image 700x342]

I did. 600 hp, less than 2500 pounds.

[dev01.press.jhu.edu image 850x637]

Is that a Datsun 280z?


Factory Five type 65 coupe. Kit car version of the 1965 Shelby Daytona Coupe. Now you know where Datsun got the styling for their early sports cars. You also know how pathetic the Datsun effort was when the original had a 400 hp V8.

Factory Five

Shelby 

The real ones are worth millions so I had to pass on one of those.
 
2012-08-20 11:03:12 AM

astouffer: Yeah and it will have a live rear axle with leaf spring suspension. The stock V6 Mustangs already snap driveshafts. I'd never buy a domestic car.


Ford put a lightweight drive shaft on the 2011+ V6's in order to get the 31 MPG highway rating. I don't know of a single instance where one has failed on a stock car. It has happened where people have modified their PCM's to circumvent the speed limiter which I believe is set at (an embarrassingly low for a Mustang) 117 MPH.

It is well known that if you want to upgrade the V6, you need to replace the drive shaft. But please go on about how all domestic cars suck.
 
2012-08-20 11:13:30 AM

Outtaphase: I recently bought the '13 GT500 with 662HP. If you let the tires warm up a bit, the power goes down nicely enough without fighting the traction control too much. If they're cold the traction control might as well not be there. It will never corner like a 458 Italia, but controlling the muscle is what's fun to some of us, not winning a road course competition.


Oh man, how do you keep that thing on the road? Doesn't it automatically drive itself right into a ditch every time you press the gas pedal? /sarcasm

I have a 2011 GT with a Roush TVS supercharger, Borla S-Type exhaust, and Ford Racing wheels (285's in the rear). It's my poor man's Shelby, and I love it! For barely $40K, I have a bad ass street machine that puts down 576 HP to the wheels. It's still an inferior setup to the Shelby, but it handles a hell of a lot better than all the haters make it out. Most people who say that stuff about Mustangs probably have never even ridden in a 2011+, let alone driven one. Hell, the Boss 302 makes a lot of smaller, supposedly more nimble cars, its biatches on the track.

Haters gonna hate.
 
2012-08-20 11:25:46 AM

mattg: I bet that piece of shiat still has a live rear axle


I bet it still has ROUND wheels too. Pfttt. Ancient technology.
 
2012-08-20 11:37:26 AM

TuteTibiImperes: I'm not talking about turbo lag, and I might have phrased it badly, but yes, a supercharger does have moving parts that create additional drag before the increased air flow can result in more power.


That's why you don't start out at 1,500 RPM's. Trust me, if you launch any supercharged car at high RPM's, you have boost before your tires even start spinning. Even cars with centrifugal superchargers, known for little low RPM boost, but big high RPM boost, can be launched with enough boost to break loose any rubber.
 
2012-08-20 01:35:35 PM
people don't understand that these come out of shelby america's speed shop. the suspension, drive shaft, brakes and pretty much all the stock parts are swapped out for high performance. the gt500 is shipped to shelby in vegas, and then it's made into the cobra. this isn't done with the stock gt500s.
 
2012-08-20 01:44:28 PM
coolmaterial.com

If I had money and the knowhow...
 
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