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(CNN)   Apple shows Facebook and Groupon how a stock is supposed to perform   (money.cnn.com) divider line 41
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2012-08-19 11:04:24 AM  
Well, they do actually produce stuff. That tends to help a business.
 
2012-08-19 11:05:20 AM  

NeoCortex42: Well, they do actually produce stuff. That tends to help a business.


And it's stuff people want!
 
2012-08-19 11:08:16 AM  
If Facebook could get a sweat shop full of suicidal slaves to code for them, they might be able to compete...
 
2012-08-19 11:26:38 AM  

Honest Bender: If Facebook could get a sweat shop full of suicidal slaves to code for them, they might be able to compete...


Facebook has over 900 million of them, I hear.
 
2012-08-19 11:42:57 AM  
Well I see this thread got done in the boobs, good job!
 
2012-08-19 11:46:50 AM  
Facebook will be fine as soon as Zuckerberg stops blocking the advertising sales department from doing their jobs.
 
2012-08-19 12:03:54 PM  

Honest Bender: If Facebook could get a sweat shop full of suicidal slaves to code for them, they might be able to compete...


I don't know. Most of the computer and phone companies Apple competes with use the same Chinese workers as they do. It doesn't seem to help.
 
2012-08-19 12:11:59 PM  
I want an iTimeMachine so that instead of spending $2500 on a mac in 2003, I spent it on $7/share Apple stock instead.
 
2012-08-19 12:42:58 PM  

Tax Boy: I want an iTimeMachine so that instead of spending $2500 on a mac in 2003, I spent it on $7/share Apple stock instead.


origin.arstechnica.com

What an Apple Time Machine may look like.
 
2012-08-19 12:42:58 PM  
In before the Apple haters make fools of themselves.
 
2012-08-19 01:01:55 PM  
what owning an Apple product means for you.
 
2012-08-19 01:15:12 PM  

Mantour: what owning an Apple product means for you.


At least have the decency to link to The Oatmeal, and not some shiatty site that is blatantly stealing his stuff and cropping out the attribution.

/Matt Inman is a cool dude, and I HATE seeing his work ripped off for a quick buck
//That reminds me, I need to throw some cash at the Tesla Museum Kickstarter
 
2012-08-19 01:29:41 PM  
What does a hardware company have to do with two free internet services based companies?
 
2012-08-19 01:36:46 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: In before the Apple haters make fools of themselves.


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2012-08-19 02:08:59 PM  

Tax Boy: I want an iTimeMachine so that instead of spending $2500 on a mac in 2003, I spent it on $7/share Apple stock instead.


The only time I spent more than about $1000 on an Apple product was when I bought their shares at $84.

/Sold most of those shares during the run up to $640
//Wondering whether or not to cash in on the rest
 
2012-08-19 02:42:53 PM  
Just bought a 64GB cellular wifi new iPad and accessories for it. Have the iPhone 4, and family has iPhones. Planning on getting the new iPhone when it is released. Why is Apple so successful? The products can be used anywhere anytime for just about anything...and does a great job at it.

/AT&T suckie suckie longtime.
 
2012-08-19 03:17:40 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Just bought a 64GB cellular wifi new iPad and accessories for it. Have the iPhone 4, and family has iPhones. Planning on getting the new iPhone when it is released. Why is Apple so successful? The products can be used anywhere anytime for just about anything...and does a great job at it.

/AT&T suckie suckie longtime.


What's wrong with your iPhone 4 that you absolutely need the new iPhone, even though you know next-to-nothing about it?
 
2012-08-19 03:46:09 PM  

snowshovel: What's wrong with your iPhone 4 that you absolutely need the new iPhone, even though you know next-to-nothing about it?


The next iPhone is pretty much going to have to have LTE (and most likely NFC, too). If you are on Verizon, LTE is a big farking deal because they have a good chunk of the country blanked in 4G service that rivals most home internet connections in terms of speed, and AT&T will hopefully be caught up soon enough (although they need to quit farking around with pissant markets like Baton Rouge and get some damn LTE in the Seattle area already). NFC is also poised to allow for some cool things to be done with the next generation of phones, so it will be good to have on a phone going forward. I personally can't wait for NFC payment to get more prevalent so I can leave my wallet at home when I go out for a bike ride or a run, and might want to grab something while I am out.
 
2012-08-19 04:18:04 PM  

Mad_Radhu: snowshovel: What's wrong with your iPhone 4 that you absolutely need the new iPhone, even though you know next-to-nothing about it?

The next iPhone is pretty much going to have to have LTE (and most likely NFC, too). If you are on Verizon, LTE is a big farking deal because they have a good chunk of the country blanked in 4G service that rivals most home internet connections in terms of speed, and AT&T will hopefully be caught up soon enough (although they need to quit farking around with pissant markets like Baton Rouge and get some damn LTE in the Seattle area already). NFC is also poised to allow for some cool things to be done with the next generation of phones, so it will be good to have on a phone going forward. I personally can't wait for NFC payment to get more prevalent so I can leave my wallet at home when I go out for a bike ride or a run, and might want to grab something while I am out.


Biggest problem with nfc payments (outside of the risk of your account tied on your phone)... Is how many merchants are fighting over that particular pie.

At least in Canada, Google wallet is slowed down because they're bypassing both the banks and the carriers... And I'm not sure if even visa/mc types get a cut either.

Last I heard, Google was actually not charging anything to try to help its adoption... (they of course get more user data)
 
2012-08-19 05:59:58 PM  
Woohoo! My team won!

That's what I took from this headline.
 
2012-08-19 06:17:17 PM  
Oh Groupon, why did you not take the google buyout.
 
2012-08-19 07:49:15 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: In before the Apple haters corporate brand lovers make fools of themselves.


FTFY
 
2012-08-19 08:09:23 PM  

TheManofPA: Oh Groupon, why did you not take the google buyout.


Because they would have had to open up their books, and then the truth about just how bad of a company they were would have spilled out.
 
2012-08-19 09:34:57 PM  

bhcompy: What does a hardware company have to do with two free internet services based companies?


Absolutely nothing!, other than that the people who use any of them are douches.

/easy statement to make, since everybody on the planet is a douche
 
2012-08-19 09:35:01 PM  
Apple has as much in common with Facebook and Groupon as it has with oranges. A-hahahhahahahaaahahahaahahaa hahahahahhaaa ! SNORT
 
2012-08-19 09:43:07 PM  
If you look back on the graph at $134... thats about when I HAD 10 shares.

:\
 
2012-08-20 02:51:24 AM  
Meh, a 50% markup on electronics is great for a companies' stock price.
 
2012-08-20 12:07:06 PM  

Lord Jubjub: Tax Boy: I want an iTimeMachine so that instead of spending $2500 on a mac in 2003, I spent it on $7/share Apple stock instead.

The only time I spent more than about $1000 on an Apple product was when I bought their shares at $84.

/Sold most of those shares during the run up to $640
//Wondering whether or not to cash in on the rest


Ha. I bought in at 11.54 in 1998, with the cash Granddad gave me in his will.

I sat on most of it until I needed money for my mother's not-covered cancer surgery (6 years Cancer free in Feburary!) and I paid my undergrad with it too.
 
2012-08-20 04:48:13 PM  
Considering that Apple has a long-standing history of not paying dividends (although I do realize that they've announced a teeny-tiny dividend that should be coming sometime next year), why has anyone invested anything in Apple stock? Never much made sense to me other than the whole "make money as the bubble inflates" thing.
 
2012-08-20 05:04:38 PM  
Facebook and Groupon just need to sue everybody that copied their idea of storing information on a document that can be accessed through a web browser. They will be swimming in money in no time.
 
2012-08-20 05:18:07 PM  

meanmutton: Considering that Apple has a long-standing history of not paying dividends (although I do realize that they've announced a teeny-tiny dividend that should be coming sometime next year), why has anyone invested anything in Apple stock? Never much made sense to me other than the whole "make money as the bubble inflates" thing.


www.inquisitr.com

"Yeah, you've got to pay dividends, or no one will ever buy your stock. NOT"
 
2012-08-20 06:19:43 PM  
azizonomics.files.wordpress.com

Apple > Dell + HP + Google + Facebook + Microsoft
 
2012-08-20 06:43:47 PM  

Triumph: Apple > Dell + HP + Google + Facebook + Microsoft


Well, the iPhone alone made more revenue than all of MS last year, so that kind of makes sense. (Not gonna look that up right now.) I didn't realize Dell was so far in the shiatter.
 
2012-08-21 09:11:36 AM  
I keep thinking about buying but everytime I do I say "nah, it's risen so high that'd be crazy to buy now", but then a year later I see it's risen even higher so I contemplate, then tell myself "nah it's risen so high now that'd this time it'd be crazy", then a year later.... and so on.
 
2012-08-21 10:43:48 AM  

meanmutton: Considering that Apple has a long-standing history of not paying dividends (although I do realize that they've announced a teeny-tiny dividend that should be coming sometime next year), why has anyone invested anything in Apple stock? Never much made sense to me other than the whole "make money as the bubble inflates" thing.


Because, by not paying dividends in the past and now only paying small ones, Apple can operate with no debt and make any investment or acquisition it needs with cash when getting into new markets. When you can pay in cash, you get the best pricing.

If you're looking for dividends from tech companies, you're an idiot. Microsoft has paid dividends for a long time. How's that working out for them?
 
2012-08-21 12:44:53 PM  

NeoCortex42: Well, they do actually produce stuff. That tends to help a business.


False. Apple pays someone to assemble things produced by other companies. They are a marketing company.
 
2012-08-21 01:30:33 PM  

snowshovel: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: Just bought a 64GB cellular wifi new iPad and accessories for it. Have the iPhone 4, and family has iPhones. Planning on getting the new iPhone when it is released. Why is Apple so successful? The products can be used anywhere anytime for just about anything...and does a great job at it.

/AT&T suckie suckie longtime.

What's wrong with your iPhone 4 that you absolutely need the new iPhone, even though you know next-to-nothing about it?


The iPhone 5 will be a 4G phone and will finally catch up to Android phones released 2 years ago.
 
2012-08-21 01:43:25 PM  

Triumph: [azizonomics.files.wordpress.com image 600x344]

Apple > Dell + HP + Google + Facebook + Microsoft


Next will you show up the pre-2008 net value of all homes?
 
2012-08-21 01:46:00 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: meanmutton: Considering that Apple has a long-standing history of not paying dividends (although I do realize that they've announced a teeny-tiny dividend that should be coming sometime next year), why has anyone invested anything in Apple stock? Never much made sense to me other than the whole "make money as the bubble inflates" thing.

Because, by not paying dividends in the past and now only paying small ones, Apple can operate with no debt and make any investment or acquisition it needs with cash when getting into new markets. When you can pay in cash, you get the best pricing.

If you're looking for dividends from tech companies, you're an idiot. Microsoft has paid dividends for a long time. How's that working out for them?


The reason why we have runaway spending in government is because people like this think they know anything about finance and economics.

Apple is improperly leveraged. They are making little to no return on the money they are holding. They are the equivalent to your grandpa keeping his money in his mattress instead of putting it in the bank.
 
2012-08-21 06:08:01 PM  

Bullseyed: RickyWilliams'sBong: meanmutton: Considering that Apple has a long-standing history of not paying dividends (although I do realize that they've announced a teeny-tiny dividend that should be coming sometime next year), why has anyone invested anything in Apple stock? Never much made sense to me other than the whole "make money as the bubble inflates" thing.

Because, by not paying dividends in the past and now only paying small ones, Apple can operate with no debt and make any investment or acquisition it needs with cash when getting into new markets. When you can pay in cash, you get the best pricing.

If you're looking for dividends from tech companies, you're an idiot. Microsoft has paid dividends for a long time. How's that working out for them?

The reason why we have runaway spending in government is because people like this think they know anything about finance and economics.

Apple is improperly leveraged. They are making little to no return on the money they are holding. They are the equivalent to your grandpa keeping his money in his mattress instead of putting it in the bank.


Maybe so but they seem to be doing okay, isn't that all that matters?
 
2012-08-21 09:45:09 PM  

Bullseyed: NeoCortex42: Well, they do actually produce stuff. That tends to help a business.

False. Apple pays someone to assemble things produced by other companies. They are a marketing company.


You could say the same thing about most companies. Very few large companies do everything in-house.

You buy a Schwinn - you're buying a frame made by Giant to Schwinn's specs, with Shimano or whatever components they spec.

You buy a Ford - you're buying a body stamped by Ford with an engine cast by Ford, but the interior comes from various companies, the electronics come from various companies, the brakes come from ATE or Girling or someplace, the bearings come from Timken probably, the tires from X, the wheels from Y, etc. (Fun fact: American-made BMWs have their dashboards made by the same company as Saturn did. The difference was the specified materials and tolerances. Another fun fact: A Honda S2000 has the same gears in the rearend as a '77 Mazda RX-3)
 
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