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2012-08-19 02:40:00 AM  
How about Discipline Deficit Disorder, DDD. Caused when parents refuse to correct their children, believing that society just loves to deal with obnoxious, antisocial unsocialized brats.

See also: HSD-Home School Disorder.
 
2012-08-19 03:00:41 AM  
Its just LBA (Little Bastard Assholeism). The most effective treatment is a sound beating.
 
2012-08-19 03:08:20 AM  
You down with ODD?
 
2012-08-19 09:04:55 AM  

EasyWind: Its just LBA (Little Bastard Assholeism). The most effective treatment is a sound beating.


Unless he's good at it. You don't want to blunt his talents, you want to run with them. Teach him how currency swaps work.
 
2012-08-19 09:06:44 AM  
Whether it's oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), or intermittent explosive disorder (IED), doctors are having to make up names to explain why your child is a brat making a mint creating fake disorders for bratty kids.
 
2012-08-19 09:33:51 AM  
They called me odd as a kid. But I'm sure it wasn't the same thing.
 
2012-08-19 09:49:02 AM  
As a kid we didn't have these disorders cause there was a variety of cures for them:

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2012-08-19 09:51:08 AM  
Yes can we please have more excuses for bad parenting!
 
2012-08-19 09:53:00 AM  
I just made diarrhea in the tub, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Intermittent explosive disorder indeed.
 
2012-08-19 09:53:13 AM  
A coathanger, applied pre-emptively, solves a lot of problems with children.
 
2012-08-19 09:55:25 AM  
As the father of a 9 year old with true autism that can barely say "eat" coherently, it really bothers me how they throw the term autism at every kid that prefers to be left alone and not play with others. They have no idea ...
 
2012-08-19 09:55:45 AM  
Disobeying authority figures who have done nothing to demonstrate any reason they should be levied respect? That's a disorderin'.

Bad teachers and bad parents wondering how on earth there could be bad kids. It couldn't have anything to do with their bad behavior and lack of discipline: surely these things don't carry on down the line.
 
2012-08-19 09:55:48 AM  
When I was a kid, it was Hyperactivity Disorder - we got to eat a lot of bizarre foods as anti-HD diets came and went, take drugs that made art class fun and even look like a bit of a badass when they did Pill Call in school.

But it came with a price. We worked to pay for our therapy. I humped Grit all over the Tidewater, and later took over a real paper route with not so much violence as the hint of violence.
 
2012-08-19 09:57:49 AM  
Now we are diagnosing brats... How stupid
 
2012-08-19 09:58:56 AM  
I don't care what they call it as long as it gets me Risperdal for when I don't want to deal with him, and Adderal for when my friends come over for an impromptu dance party.
 
2012-08-19 09:59:13 AM  
Bad parenting begets another disorder. How much you want to bet there's a pharmaceutical for that?
 
2012-08-19 10:01:23 AM  

MAYORBOB: Bad parenting begets another disorder. How much you want to bet there's a pharmaceutical for that?


Pretty sure the parents are already heavily medicated!
 
2012-08-19 10:02:11 AM  
I'm sure Merck, Phizer and Eli Lily are working on medication solutions for these kids so parents won't have to deal with all that pesky parenting and disciplining stuff. Warning: side effects include incontinence, flatulence and death.

And/or dry mouth.
 
2012-08-19 10:03:18 AM  
In before the self diagnosed Asperger Farkers defending their imaginary malady du jour.
 
2012-08-19 10:05:19 AM  
Wow, all y'all common folk are wise. Just think -- more spankings, and no more behavior problems! Simple! We can return to the old days when no one misbehaved, ever.

So ... from a practical standpoint, does one beating do the trick, or do you have to keep them up until the kid's bigger than you?
 
2012-08-19 10:05:46 AM  
It's like parent-diagnosed ADD: just a social excuse for a failed parent.
 
2012-08-19 10:07:55 AM  

eas81: As a kid we didn't have these disorders cause there was a variety of cures for them:

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farking agreed. Discipline your stupid brats people.
 
2012-08-19 10:09:07 AM  
This really does discriminate against parents with legitimately psychologically ill children. For every 9 out of 10 children with a false diagnosis, there's the other 1 out of 10 with a real one. And that child's parents will just get lumped in with the rest of the poseurs and the parents will be accused of faking a psychiatric illness along with everyone else.
 
2012-08-19 10:10:29 AM  

eas81: As a kid we didn't have these disorders cause there was a variety of cures for them:

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Our work here is done.
 
2012-08-19 10:10:36 AM  
Why is it that whenever an article on the "alphabet soup" (ADD, ODD, ADHD, IED, etc.) comes up, the Fark brigade is almost universally in favor of corporal punishment. But whenever an article on spanking comes up, parents who spank are stupid people who abuse their children and should be jailed for life?
 
2012-08-19 10:11:58 AM  

CouldaWouldShoulda: Yes can we please have more excuses for bad parenting!


Are all these parents (in America, at least) able to apply for social security disability for their brats, with these designer diagnoses?
 
2012-08-19 10:12:12 AM  

phaseolus: Wow, all y'all common folk are wise. Just think -- more spankings, and no more behavior problems! Simple! We can return to the old days when no one misbehaved, ever.

So ... from a practical standpoint, does one beating do the trick, or do you have to keep them up until the kid's bigger than you?


Clearly your children must be intolerable little bastards.

Still, the answer to your question. If you need to still slap the shiat out of your kid when they're 14 because they told you to fark off...well then you were a shiat parent to begin with and you failed them.
 
2012-08-19 10:14:58 AM  

Baron Harkonnen: This really does discriminate against parents with legitimately psychologically ill children. For every 9 out of 10 children with a false diagnosis, there's the other 1 out of 10 with a real one. And that child's parents will just get lumped in with the rest of the poseurs and the parents will be accused of faking a psychiatric illness along with everyone else.


And that's on the Doctors.
 
2012-08-19 10:15:08 AM  
The guy who came up with IED at leasthas a sense of humor.
 
2012-08-19 10:15:41 AM  
I call it not willing to use applied psychology disorder. That is not a problem in this Sister's house. My two kids--Allison 5 and Steven 9--know that they WILL get their asses beat. First, the look. Second, mommy gets the wooden spoon. Third, it's off to mommy's bedroom, and the ass whoopin begins!

IF we are in public, I just lean in, smile, and whisper "wooden spoon when we get home" and I get immediate compliance.

JPSimonetti: As the father of a 9 year old with true autism that can barely say "eat" coherently, it really bothers me how they throw the term autism at every kid that prefers to be left alone and not play with others. They have no idea ...


You, sir, are a completely different case. You are right, people have no idea. Neither of my children is autistic; however, there is an autistic child in my son's Sunday school class. I taught the class one Sunday when the regular teacher was out due to a death in the family. The boy's mother was with him, as is always the case. I interacted with him and the other nine children for only an hour, and I was exhausted. That was with his mother's help.His mother later explained that since I was not his regular teacher, I upset his normal routine, and that was stressful for him. I apologized to her for that. She was not upset. She was just grateful I did not snap at her son when he started "acting out and being disruptive." I told her that I did not see it that way, but that I was sure that others have in the past. Sir, I do not know how you do it. My hat is off to you!

I think that those who snap at autistic people because they perceive them as "acting out and being disruptive" should be punched in the face, very hard, and many times.
 
2012-08-19 10:16:26 AM  

JPSimonetti: As the father of a 9 year old with true autism that can barely say "eat" coherently, it really bothers me how they throw the term autism at every kid that prefers to be left alone and not play with others. They have no idea ...


Baron Harkonnen: This really does discriminate against parents with legitimately psychologically ill children. For every 9 out of 10 children with a false diagnosis, there's the other 1 out of 10 with a real one. And that child's parents will just get lumped in with the rest of the poseurs and the parents will be accused of faking a psychiatric illness along with everyone else.


This. Same could be said about allergies (although the ratio would be closer to 3 or 4 out of 10 instead of 1).

\surprised PDD (Parental Denial Disorder) wasn't included
\\you know, when your demon spawn is a sweet little angel who wouldn't do half the things that evil TA said he did and then got said TA fired for it?
\\\yes, this happened at the school I used to sub at
\Yes, the kid was passed one year because his teachers wouldn't deal with him and his assholeness anymore
 
2012-08-19 10:16:40 AM  
I was a one on one for a student with ODD, he was generally a calm kid but he was compelled to be oppositional to authority of any kind. It was really bizarre. He also had schizoaffective bipolar disorder, so that probably played a part...
 
2012-08-19 10:17:20 AM  
I diagnose parents with one all the time: ATPPD - Acute Trailer Park Personality Disorder. Symptoms include hairstyles from two decades ago, obesity, being your kid's "friend" rather than parent, acting more like a kid than your kid does, and showing up to formal events in your best Toby Keith shirt.
 
2012-08-19 10:18:20 AM  
Some facts

Increases in diagnosis does not always reflect actual incidence in the population.
It reflects both a growing willingness to enter the mh system and the pet diagnosis of the specialist...note its one clinician "seeing" the increase in cases. However, there can also be fads and trends in diagnosis in the culture of clinicians, like borderline after fatal attraction came out.

As far as kids, getting a diagnosis is not an excuse for behavior. Its understandable, but not an excuse. Theres a saying in the shrink world, you are not responsible for your disorder, you are responsible for your recovery. Chances are if a parent is using a diagnosis as an excuse and is not participating in the childs recovery, they are part of the problem. While it is indeed harder with some kids, the basic principles of learning still apply, and if a kid is positively reinforced for mouthing off, he or she will continue to do so.



Being diagnosed with an mh disorder
 
2012-08-19 10:19:02 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: CouldaWouldShoulda: Yes can we please have more excuses for bad parenting!

Are all these parents (in America, at least) able to apply for social security disability for their brats, with these designer diagnoses?


Not necessarily but school districts get certain fundings based on some of these alphabet soup diagnoses.
 
2012-08-19 10:22:11 AM  

eas81: As a kid we didn't have these disorders cause there was a variety of cures for them:

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You forgot mom's favorite. the hot wheel track.
 
2012-08-19 10:23:13 AM  
As a step father with two boys with these diagnosis, I can tell you that I see the difference between the illness and brat behavior. Brat behavior can be corrected with punishment, the illness is a different thing entirely. A tantrum (brat behavior) is reflected with concern for self, they will throw themselves on the bed but not before glancing over to see if they are going to hit their head, while a meltdown (illness behavior) they do not. The difference between the two is sometimes subtle, other times it is obvious, but in each case, the parent must be observant so they can react properly, and punish accordingly. Those of you who are suggesting a good ass whipping will fix it, I sincerely hope you never have to discover the difference. Actually, I sincerely hope you don't have children at all.
 
2012-08-19 10:23:34 AM  
morgantx:
Why is it that whenever an article on the "alphabet soup" (ADD, ODD, ADHD, IED, etc.) comes up, the Fark brigade is almost universally in favor of corporal punishment. But whenever an article on spanking comes up, parents who spank are stupid people who abuse their children and should be jailed for life?

There is no monolithic fark brigade. (MFB)

You chose to contribute to this thread. The audience of a thread is self-selecting. Dog people do not post to cat threads.
 
2012-08-19 10:28:50 AM  
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2012-08-19 10:29:46 AM  
I've never had any difficulty raising well-behaved, respectful kids without resort to spankings, beatings, or any other violence. If your kids will not obey your rules without the threat of a beating, you've failed as a parent.
 
2012-08-19 10:31:26 AM  

morgantx: Why is it that whenever an article on the "alphabet soup" (ADD, ODD, ADHD, IED, etc.) comes up, the Fark brigade is almost universally in favor of corporal punishment. But whenever an article on spanking comes up, parents who spank are stupid people who abuse their children and should be jailed for life?


Translation: I physical abuse my children in the name of "discipline".
 
2012-08-19 10:32:02 AM  

Directorscut: As a step father with two boys with these diagnosis, I can tell you that I see the difference between the illness and brat behavior. Brat behavior can be corrected with punishment, the illness is a different thing entirely. A tantrum (brat behavior) is reflected with concern for self, they will throw themselves on the bed but not before glancing over to see if they are going to hit their head, while a meltdown (illness behavior) they do not. The difference between the two is sometimes subtle, other times it is obvious, but in each case, the parent must be observant so they can react properly, and punish accordingly. Those of you who are suggesting a good ass whipping will fix it, I sincerely hope you never have to discover the difference. Actually, I sincerely hope you don't have children at all.


So much this. My aunt and uncle are having to deal with a son whose behavior is just out of control. My cousin has ODD, APD, and ADHD, and no one can handle him anymore... It's gotten so bad they're sending him to a residential school for kids with a lot of emotional problems. If they can find one, that is...
 
2012-08-19 10:33:51 AM  
When the child is old enough to run for office, all of these maladies are reclassified as "patriotism". So it all works out in the end.
 
2012-08-19 10:34:00 AM  
For some serious:

Children have different personalities, and what works on one child doesn't always work on another. One of my older boys is extremely sensitive: If I discipline him too harshly (even by yelling), he shuts down and becomes depressed & it never works. On the other hand, the other of my older boys has a very "caveman" attitude; he will respect the "Alpha", but everybody else he ignores or outright defies. In order to keep him well-behaved (and even happy!), any act of defiance must be met with an immediate and harsh response. I can talk it out with him later, but he's very cognizant of hierarchy. He's not going to be happy when the hierarchy is unstable, and to him, if he pushes and can get away with it, it means that the hierarchy is unstable. So I treat my kids differently based on their very different personalities.

I would love to discipline all my kids with well-reasoned discussions, but that simply does not work with some kids as a result of their inherent temperament. Let's stop pretending that one-size-fits-all when it comes to parenting. Spanking does NOT work on everybody - it's not a cure-all - but time-outs and lectures don't work on everybody, either.
 
2012-08-19 10:34:09 AM  
I will also add that the principles of learning also indicate that rewarding good behavior, almost universally, produces the desired behavior more effectively than punishing bad behavior. Some of this falls on teachers, but is unlikley, because good behavior is the expected behavior and thus has a tendency to become invisible.

It is precisely when a kid is not being "oppositional" is when he or she should be praised and rewarded.
 
2012-08-19 10:37:36 AM  

Chariset: You down with ODD?


YEAH YOU KNOW ME


CSB:

I'm an ADHD kid. Squirly, wouldn't sit still in school, misspelled words on purpose because I was bored, etc. Doctors wanted to pump me full of drugs to make me behave. My mom, my HERO, said she wouldn't lobotomize her child by muting parts of my personality. Instead, I didn't eat sugar for...oh...about eleven years. Not kidding. Except for special occasions.

It calmed me down some when I wasn't eating things to make me hyper. My mom did homework with me and asked my neighbors (their daughter was in my grade) to have study playdates with her to ensure I got all my schoolwork done.

I ended up skipping a grade and graduating a few months after 17 because my mom realized I had a learning problem, but it wasn't a medical issue, it was just me being a kid and being quirky. She didn't blame a hormone imbalance or give in to my ways because I was a precious snowflake.

To this day, I oh look there's a shiny outside do you want to go get coffee I skinned my knee OOH let's go see a movie.

/love my mom
//knows how lucky I am
 
2012-08-19 10:39:52 AM  

Shakespeare's Sister: I call it not willing to use applied psychology disorder. That is not a problem in this Sister's house. My two kids--Allison 5 and Steven 9--know that they WILL get their asses beat. First, the look. Second, mommy gets the wooden spoon. Third, it's off to mommy's bedroom, and the ass whoopin begins!

IF we are in public, I just lean in, smile, and whisper "wooden spoon when we get home" and I get immediate compliance.

JPSimonetti: As the father of a 9 year old with true autism that can barely say "eat" coherently, it really bothers me how they throw the term autism at every kid that prefers to be left alone and not play with others. They have no idea ...

You, sir, are a completely different case. You are right, people have no idea. Neither of my children is autistic; however, there is an autistic child in my son's Sunday school class. I taught the class one Sunday when the regular teacher was out due to a death in the family. The boy's mother was with him, as is always the case. I interacted with him and the other nine children for only an hour, and I was exhausted. That was with his mother's help.His mother later explained that since I was not his regular teacher, I upset his normal routine, and that was stressful for him. I apologized to her for that. She was not upset. She was just grateful I did not snap at her son when he started "acting out and being disruptive." I told her that I did not see it that way, but that I was sure that others have in the past. Sir, I do not know how you do it. My hat is off to you!

I think that those who snap at autistic people because they perceive them as "acting out and being disruptive" should be punched in the face, very hard, and many times.


You aren't violent at all....
 
2012-08-19 10:45:36 AM  

morgantx: Why is it that whenever an article on the "alphabet soup" (ADD, ODD, ADHD, IED, etc.) comes up, the Fark brigade is almost universally in favor of corporal punishment. But whenever an article on spanking comes up, parents who spank are stupid people who abuse their children and should be jailed for life?


This is a classic symptom of ODD
 
2012-08-19 10:47:06 AM  
I blame online dating. Suicide hotlines haven't helped either. Lots of people who should have been naturally eliminated from the gene pool are able to breed. Misfits -- who should have topped themselves to everyone's benefit -- now produce a double-whammy effect:

1. inferior children who would be a chore for capable parents
2. a lack of social skills to effectively raise any children, let alone tardlings
 
2012-08-19 10:47:14 AM  
Oh and just as a PS- I know there are children with very severe disabilities. I used to work for an occupational therapist. My heart would break for some of these parents. However, there's a very fine line between a kid who mentally refuses to eat green food, and a kid who just doesn't like vegetables. I saw a parent try to get her daughter therapy at our center because she didn't like eating pizza therefore something HAD to be wrong with her precious baby. I wanted to scream at her SHE DOESN'T LIKE PIZZA. GO HOME.

/endrant
 
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