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(Huffington Post)   Parents fear new palm scanners in school cafeteria will lead to the Mark of the Beast   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 171
    More: Asinine, Mississippi's Pearl Public Schools, mark of the beast, The Columbus Dispatch, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, United States Secretary of Agriculture, CBS Tampa, elementary schools, Mamie Sonnier  
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2012-08-19 01:18:48 AM  
The devil made my vein pattern.
 
2012-08-19 01:26:38 AM  
The parents that think it's mark of beast are farked up.

I'd have objections to this also...but not for that concern.

As I understand how the system works each child puts their palm on the device--and goes through the line and gets their tray (the system accounts for diet concerns, allergies etc) for service on the line.

Okay, that's fine. But in use the kids are placing their palm on a device that's been touched by 100's of other kids that day. Then they get their tray---which means they probably won't wash their hands and leave the tray unattended to do hand washing.

Kids are filthy and it's difficult enough to get them wash their hands before meals---much less after pressing them to a scanner right before they get a tray of food.
 
2012-08-19 01:43:13 AM  

optikeye: But in use the kids are placing their palm on a device that's been touched by 100's of other kids that day. Then they get their tray---which means they probably won't wash their hands and leave the tray unattended to do hand washing.


THAT'S your concern? Then you might as well lube up your kids in Purell because 100's of other kids have touched doorknobs, desks, chairs, lockers, recess equipment, and each other all day without washing their hands.

Kids are filthy, yes. But they also need to be exposed to some germs to build up resistance. 5 seconds of laying their hand on a plate of glass that some other kids touched isn't going to kill them. The cafeteria food will do that.
 
2012-08-19 01:59:01 AM  

brigid_fitch: THAT'S your concern?


Yes, hand washing is important and Purell isn't effective for flu etc. I also agree that exposure to germs is good for developing immune system---there's a happy medium in that. A complete palm press is a bit more contact than a door knob, desk or chair.

I'd also question some Data Security items such as how long is the palm data retained, will it be stored correctly, and disposed of correctly. It's not out of the question that 10 years from now a HD of the biometic data would show up at a thrift store or auction. Which could lead to ID theft for the kid.

Yes, that's tinfoil stuff...but would be comfortable giving 'personal' data like your SSN to a starbucks, and expect them to store, and maintain that data correctly instead of tossing out their old HD's to auction? .
The Palm print has the potential to become such a personal identifier in a few years. 

And as a more immediate concern. Without a security policy in place, that data harvesting for menu choices could be sold for profit by the school system to corporations to target marketing for the child based on their menu choices 'likes and dislikes'. That's not 'blue sky' concept school systems would be willing to do that if bucks are involved for direct marketing for profit.
 
2012-08-19 02:47:05 AM  
The mark of the beast stuff is stupid.

I suspect the bacteria/viral laden surface is a real issue.

And the schools should not be teaching kids to just fork over their biometrics in the name of some arbitrary claim of efficiency. Just the opposite in fact.
 
2012-08-19 08:27:01 AM  
I just hope they don't use one of those jizz detecting lights on the hands of the students.

That could be embarrassing.
 
2012-08-19 09:44:51 AM  
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2012-08-19 10:21:37 AM  
In the 80's, they thought it would be barcodes. All of the Armageddon movies had people with bar codes tattooed on their arms.
 
2012-08-19 11:09:14 AM  
How about the fact that, since the dawn of lunch rooms, no kid's lunch room has ever had a day where a kid didn't cut in line. Making them stay in order of their scan? Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2012-08-19 11:10:53 AM  
I just think using a palm print is a huge violation of privacy.
 
2012-08-19 11:11:40 AM  
Step 1: Place palm on scanner.
Step 2: Wiggle palm around.
Step 3: Enjoy free lunch.
 
2012-08-19 11:11:45 AM  
Fear of biometrics arises from the same human tendencies that allow the widespread acceptance of religion: Fear and superstition.
 
2012-08-19 11:12:34 AM  
where this is all leading...

images.inmagine.com
 
2012-08-19 11:13:08 AM  
I think the real news here is they found a sane, reasonable person from Florida.
 
2012-08-19 11:13:49 AM  
Winston Smith Post wants you to know that they are "protecting" you from free speech for your own good.
 
2012-08-19 11:14:07 AM  
www.bigredkitchen.com

Could be worse.
Could be the mark of the beets.
 
2012-08-19 11:14:43 AM  
*Don't know much abt history
Don't know much biology*
 
2012-08-19 11:15:15 AM  
Handprint identification please!
 
2012-08-19 11:15:19 AM  

Casey_S777: I think the real news here is they found a sane, reasonable person from Florida.


They'll probably lynch him
 
2012-08-19 11:16:32 AM  
isn't the mark of the beast kinda the reason the people who refuse the technology? she must be evil
 
2012-08-19 11:16:36 AM  
"As a Christian idiot fundamentalist, I've read the Bible, you know go to church and stuff," Sonnier said. "I know where it's going to end up coming to, the mark of the beast. I'm not going to let my kids have that."

/ftfy
 
2012-08-19 11:16:41 AM  
It's a good thing no kid has ever DRAWN ON HIS HAND.
 
2012-08-19 11:17:53 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-19 11:18:46 AM  
This is why I chose a children-free lifestyle. Good luck on you rational people with kids who have to deal with this kind of shiat. I couldn't.
 
2012-08-19 11:19:20 AM  
I just cannot imagine why everyone is obsessed with shortening payment times at any technical cost.

Taking out your wallet and handing over money did not need to be optimized by palm vein readers, cell phones, or anything else.

How much money is this system and why do people care about this when there are far worse problems?
 
2012-08-19 11:19:22 AM  

brigid_fitch: 5 seconds of laying their hand on a plate of glass that some other kids touched isn't going to kill them.


That's a first for me. I've never heard of the 5 second rule being applied to biometric scanners.
 
2012-08-19 11:19:50 AM  
Stupid is as stupid does. I remember people biatching about this when scientists were talking about implanting biochips in people.
 
2012-08-19 11:21:01 AM  
It's just a matter of time until kids are stuffing their pockets with dismembered hands to get extra lunches.
 
2012-08-19 11:21:49 AM  
Jesus wept.
 
2012-08-19 11:21:51 AM  

picturescrazy: I just think using a palm print is a huge violation of privacy.


Agreed
 
2012-08-19 11:22:19 AM  
I picture John the Revelator chilling on Patmos after finishing Revelation, smugly imagining how his dusty troll-scroll is going to screw with society in the 21st century.
 
2012-08-19 11:22:43 AM  
I used to install these scanners, and most of them actually come with a letter that says that the device will not detect the mark of the beast. I have been seeing these letters since 2007 included in the documentation. Stupid people are stupid.
 
2012-08-19 11:23:09 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Jesus wept.


when the hell will that pussy stop crying.
 
2012-08-19 11:23:24 AM  
Did they only find this one crazy lady, or are there others worried about the ole 666?
 
2012-08-19 11:23:30 AM  
My son now has to scan his card to get on the bus.
Really.
 
2012-08-19 11:23:59 AM  
buffetoblog.files.wordpress.com

Supports this effort
 
2012-08-19 11:24:23 AM  
I done told that learnin lady that I done learned everything I need to know from the good book. Je-sus is the son of gawd.

/ y'all best listen to je-sus

// I keed, I keed
 
2012-08-19 11:24:42 AM  

Antagonism: This is why I chose a children-free lifestyle. Good luck on you rational people with kids who have to deal with this kind of shiat. I couldn't.


Not to mention that whole destroyed economy and environment that they would have to deal with.

I've seen a lot of "fark you son I've got mine" parents wipe away all those concerns with the "well the future has always been uncertain" delusion.
 
2012-08-19 11:24:59 AM  
huh, subby was being serious. That's hilarious
 
2012-08-19 11:25:39 AM  

FriarReb98: How about the fact that, since the dawn of lunch rooms, no kid's lunch room has ever had a day where a kid didn't cut in line. Making them stay in order of their scan? Yeah, good luck with that.


Hey, I have an idea! Maybe they could scan their hands (pay) at the end of the line once they've figured out what they're getting and how much is owed... like they do at every other retailer you've probably been to. Call me Mr. Problem Solver!

On the other hand, we all know what scanning really leads to:
www.i-mockery.com
 
2012-08-19 11:27:00 AM  
My fear is that now bullies will be chopping off hands to steal lunch money. The blood will be on your hands school board!!!!
 
2012-08-19 11:27:42 AM  
"...go to church and stuff."

Yeah, but nevere quite got the hang of critical thinking. Gotcha.

One could make an equally good case for "mark of the beast" crap bing the use of credit cards/credit card numbers and PINs or even Social Security numbers, all of which would be equally bogus as this gal's is.
 
2012-08-19 11:28:23 AM  

fritolay37: picturescrazy: I just think using a palm print is a huge violation of privacy.

Agreed


The ones I have installed don't actually read your palm print. It actually looks at the measurements of the hand not the print.
 
2012-08-19 11:29:45 AM  

fritolay37: picturescrazy: I just think using a palm print is a huge violation of privacy.

Agreed


Hasn't the thumb print been used as ID for thousands of years already?
Oh look, I just hacked into the school system's database and have access to the server where all the little kids palm prints live, now I'm going to... uh... gee, look at this, palm print data used as unique identifiers for school lunches... meh.
 
2012-08-19 11:30:20 AM  

Chthonic Echoes: I picture John the Revelator chilling on Patmos after finishing Revelation, smugly imagining how his dusty troll-scroll is going to screw with society in the 21st century.


Well who's that writin'? John the Revelator
Who's that writin'? John the Revelator
Who's that writin'? John the Revelator
A book of the seven seals

/ the blues brothers is the best movie evahs

// I know, that song is in blues brothers 2000
 
2012-08-19 11:31:38 AM  
For the money this probably costs to implement and maintain, I bet you could provide lunch for all of those students for a month, more when factoring in additional funding for low income students and such. Not to mention should this malfunction or fail the types of delays which will be seen. What a worthless solution to a nonexistent problem.
 
2012-08-19 11:32:07 AM  
At work we used to have a hand scanner (reads the shape of your hand) attached to the employee time clock. The YMCA has one for access to the facilities. The problem with the hand scanner is that when people changed the shape of their hand (grew or cut their fingernails excessively) it wouldn't read their hand anymore so it had to be reprogrammed for that particular employee.

They've moved to a finger tip scanner (they don't say finger print) and it works much better because that doesn't change much.
 
2012-08-19 11:32:45 AM  
Can someone seriously explain this leap of "logic" to me? How does a biometric palm scanner suddenly equal Mark of the Beast?
 
2012-08-19 11:33:02 AM  
Oh, and they have those hand readers at my doctor's office and the ER at the affiliated hospital. It's always taken several tries for the scan of my hand to "take," so I'm not all that sure it's going to speed up the junchline.
 
2012-08-19 11:34:10 AM  
...Not sure that you have to scan in any particular order - we use a palm scanning time clock at work, and you can clock in any time. My point would be that these things are not - at least in our experience - very sturdy. I can picture a few thousand hands being slapped down on the scanners and knocking them out...which leads to a problem, because I guarantee that any and all other methods of tracking lunches will have been disposed of on pain of death ("We'll never need those forms again, get rid of 'em!")
 
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