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(Daily Mail)   Sandy the 20-pound bunny has been granted a pardon by the town of North Haven, Connecticut and will be allowed to hop out the rest of her life at home   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 28
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2012-08-19 01:12:51 AM
'She's not a mean bunny. She doesn't bite people. She only licks.'

[timtheenchanter]

"Oh, it's just a harmless little *bunny*, isn't it?"
 
2012-08-19 04:08:17 AM
What an adorable animal. And fluent in Flemish!
 
2012-08-19 04:08:19 AM
Lawsuit in 3..2...
 
2012-08-19 04:14:24 AM
This is a bunny...

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2012-08-19 04:15:36 AM
Ok, I really hate to come down on the side of the ordinance. I have to though; bear with me.

"According to Fox News, in May, town officials inspected the property and asked Lidsky to take several actions, including removing the rabbit hutch, replacing missing siding on his house and repairing an unfinished addition.'

The father reminds me very strongly of the White-Trash neighbor I have living two houses down. I moved into my house early 2010, saw that they had that Tyvek stuff up on the side of the house facing my house, and figured they would finish it in the spring. They did not. They have not, at this current time. Again I'm bringing this up because dad in the article seems very much like my neighbor. The Nice Guy who lives between us (who is a great guy, very friendly, offers to let most neighbors use his pool etc), told me that this same WT neighbor routinely piles crap up against the fence between their houses - which is six inches onto nice guy's property. NG wouldn't even care about that much, except whenever he goes to trim the grass around the fence, he can't, because of the piled junk.

We also have a livestock ordinance in our village (outside the village, it's mostly farming community except in the 'city' we're next to). I was actually kind of bummed to find out I couldn't have any chickens, but our houses are all so close together that I understand why. It would be a pain on small yards like mine to keep the birds from either wandering or moved around enough to keep them happy.

So father in the article goes crying to the newspaper about the rabbit and the livestock ordinance, when I bet you cash that the real problem is he doesn't maintain his property. Sounds to me like this guy seized on the one issue that would get him good press and make the town back off. Much like I'm sure WT guy would do, if NG or anyone else pushed the issue.
 
2012-08-19 04:16:00 AM
Good.

Who and the hell would ever check to see if their city ordnance considers rabbits livestock? They're mainly sold and kept as pets nationwide. There's a grey area for stuff like pigs, which are still considered farm animals and widely regarded as food by most people, but rabbits? Almost no one looks at those and thinks livestock anymore than guinea pigs, which could also technically be considered a food animal.

Stupid law is stupid.
 
2012-08-19 04:17:09 AM
Also if your rabbit is 20 pounds, it either needs to go on a diet or into the oven. That's massively overweight for a rabbit; iirc they're not even supposed to weigh as much as cats, usually...
 
2012-08-19 04:21:20 AM

ladyfortuna: So father in the article goes crying to the newspaper about the rabbit and the livestock ordinance, when I bet you cash that the real problem is he doesn't maintain his property.


That is certainly why the city went after the rabbit, looking for anything they could tack on.

But it's really low for them to go after his daughter's pet rabbit just because he's an idiot that won't maintain his property.

And like I said in my above post, most people don't consider rabbits livestock anymore. They're not widely bred for consumption. Some people still do, but I'd say by and far more rabbits are bred and kept as pets nationwide, and that's how most people see them. It's very archaic and stupid for rabbits to be listed as livestock anymore. The law needed to be rescinded. It's bullshiat to keep a stupid law on the books that goes against how most of society uses and views something, just in case you might want to use it on someone you don't like because you have nothing else to go after them for.
 
2012-08-19 04:23:31 AM

ladyfortuna: Also if your rabbit is 20 pounds, it either needs to go on a diet or into the oven. That's massively overweight for a rabbit; iirc they're not even supposed to weigh as much as cats, usually...


Flemish giants can weigh up to 40-50 lbs at a healthy weight, though it's rare. Usually around 20 lbs for a good specimen. The MINIMUM show weight for a doe is 14 lbs.
 
2012-08-19 04:30:00 AM

Ihaveanevilparrot: ladyfortuna:

And like I said in my above post, most people don't consider rabbits livestock anymore. They're not widely bred for consumption. Some people still do, but I'd say by and far more rabbits are bred and kept as pets nationwide, and that's how most people see them. It's very archaic and stupid for rabbits to be listed as livestock anymore. The law needed to be rescinded. It's bullshiat to keep a stupid law on the books that goes against how most of society uses and views something, just in case you might want to use it on someone you don't like because you have nothing else to go after them for.


I get what you're saying, but at the same time, another village near me had to go back over their ordinances about livestock because a resident had not just a couple of chickens, but an entire free range flock, wandering around their property, neighbors, and sometimes into the road - a busy road leading to a college, so it can and probably does cause some traffic problems. Home owner won in that case, but when you actually live in the communities where these things happen, a line has to be drawn somewhere. At what point does Mr. Johnson's pony (aka lawnmower, and I'm not making this up other than the name) go from pet to 'get that horse out of my yard'?

Mind you I like animals and as long as people manage them properly, I'm fine with them even in residential neighborhoods. But there need to be rules followed if people are going to be allowed to keep them, and just because this guy brought it to the press doesn't mean they should entirely scrap the law...
 
2012-08-19 04:30:37 AM
That rabbit's dynamite!
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2012-08-19 04:31:03 AM
Also, regarding chickens, maybe if you get involved with your city council you can get it changed.

A lot of cities are actually changing their livestock rules to allow a certain amount of chickens, just hens (roosters are too loud and disturb neighbors), since it's becoming more popular for urban people to keep chickens for eggs, due the small amount of space they take up, ease of feeding, and the fact that most neighbors don't have a problem with the smell or sound of hens kept to a small number and housed and cared for properly.

Though there are still usually restrictions on the size of your property. If it's extremely small it might not be adequate anyway.
 
2012-08-19 04:33:19 AM
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2012-08-19 04:35:54 AM

Ihaveanevilparrot: Also, regarding chickens, maybe if you get involved with your city council you can get it changed.

A lot of cities are actually changing their livestock rules to allow a certain amount of chickens, just hens (roosters are too loud and disturb neighbors), since it's becoming more popular for urban people to keep chickens for eggs, due the small amount of space they take up, ease of feeding, and the fact that most neighbors don't have a problem with the smell or sound of hens kept to a small number and housed and cared for properly.

Though there are still usually restrictions on the size of your property. If it's extremely small it might not be adequate anyway.


I probably could since mentioned NG neighbor is also a village trustee... but there are enough people around here with no idea what they're doing with REGULAR pets, that I wouldn't want them to have chickens etc. Lots of 'strays' around here that are suspiciously well socialized, including my newer cat that conned his way into staying in the house. $500 later for surgery/neuter/shots, and he's a fat spoiled lazy bastard who never sits on my lap, but he knew enough to cry and beg for attention outside. He's one of a widespread problem in the area.
 
2012-08-19 04:41:19 AM

ladyfortuna: At what point does Mr. Johnson's pony (aka lawnmower, and I'm not making this up other than the name) go from pet to 'get that horse out of my yard'?


It's really easy to cover that....

Cities that allow chickens generally don't allow things like horses, etc.

They just have to write the code outlawing livestock (the code will have a list of species and/or sizes), but with an exception for specific animals. Cities that have changed their code leave the rest of the rules, they just write in an exception.
Cities may have exceptions for miniature horses under a certain size, and they also will generally have a rule that enclosures must be secure. I.E., your animals cannot wander onto someone elses property, similar to a leash law for dogs.

Most cities or states already have laws regarding what can be kept, bred, and sold as pets, with exceptions and banned species written in.
For instance, here, you can keep any fish you want if captive bred, but you cannot keep asian carp or snakehead, as they are prohibited. You cannot keep native species without the proper licensing, or over a certain number, you cannot keep native endagered or protected animals without proof (a receipt, etc.) that they were captive bred.
You can keep any animal as a pet, as long as it is not listed as specifically prohibited by the code (such as venemous snakes - you must have a license and demonstrate a secure enclosure of a specific size), and it is not listed as livestock, given your property isn't zoned for such.

Acting as if it's a slippery slope between someone owning a rabbit and a horse is silly. That's why laws are written with prohibitions and exceptions. If the legislature doesn't want to change it, it's mainly out of laziness or apathy.
 
2012-08-19 04:44:56 AM
And again, considering rabbits are considered pets almost everywhere, urban or not, and they are nearly as common as cats and dogs, there is no reason for them to be listed as livestock in that municipality. I'd understand if there was a grey area, like with pigs, but this is not a grey area as people nationwide almost unanimously consider rabbits as pets, not livestock.
Listing cats or dogs as livestock would make about as much sense.
 
2012-08-19 04:47:33 AM

ladyfortuna: Also if your rabbit is 20 pounds, it either needs to go on a diet or into the oven. That's massively overweight for a rabbit; iirc they're not even supposed to weigh as much as cats, usually...


The type of rabbit the little girl owns does get that big naturally. It's a breed of rabbit calledFlemish Giant.
 
2012-08-19 04:48:59 AM
I should have put this in my last post, but also, once they change rabbits to go under pets, rather than livestock, people will be limited in the number they can keep if there are any regulations regarding number of pets.

In my city you can only have 6 pets, no matter the species (not including something like fish or other animals that live in an enclosed system). You could either have 6 rabbits, or 1 rabbit, 2 dogs, and 3 cats, etc.

If the city doesn't limit the number of pets, that's another issue entirely, as someone can have 40 cats within their home, or a bunch of dogs outside, and be a disturbance to their neighbors.
 
2012-08-19 04:53:27 AM

ladyfortuna: At what point does Mr. Johnson's pony (aka lawnmower, and I'm not making this up other than the name) go from pet to 'get that horse out of my yard'?


I'd say at the point there the unwanted animal is in your yard.
 
2012-08-19 05:04:43 AM

Bathia_Mapes: ladyfortuna: Also if your rabbit is 20 pounds, it either needs to go on a diet or into the oven. That's massively overweight for a rabbit; iirc they're not even supposed to weigh as much as cats, usually...

The type of rabbit the little girl owns does get that big naturally. It's a breed of rabbit calledFlemish Giant.


FTA

"Flemish Giants are not typically regarded as "meat" rabbits because much of the commercial rabbit market focuses on young, tender "fryer" rabbits, usually around 70 days of age. At this time, Flemish Giants are developing bone mass rather than muscle. However, when raised to roasting (under 6 months) and stewing (over 6 months) age, the size of the Flemish makes them desirable. They are also often bred with other meat rabbit breeds, such as the New Zealand, to increase both meat-to-bone ratio and litter size"

Roast Rabbit?

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2012-08-19 05:23:02 AM

Harry_Seldon: Roast Rabbit?


Roast rabbit is awesome.

So is fried rabbit and rabbit n dumplings.

I could go on and on.

Just substitute for chicken. Has a better flavor usually IMO. Well the fact that it has flavor at all is a plus compared to chicken, since modern mass produced chicken is pretty bland. Some of the farm raised stuff is great though.
 
2012-08-19 07:52:51 AM

ladyfortuna: Ok, I really hate to come down on the side of the ordinance. I have to though; bear with me.

"According to Fox News, in May, town officials inspected the property and asked Lidsky to take several actions, including removing the rabbit hutch, replacing missing siding on his house and repairing an unfinished addition.'

The father reminds me very strongly of the White-Trash neighbor I have living two houses down. I moved into my house early 2010, saw that they had that Tyvek stuff up on the side of the house facing my house, and figured they would finish it in the spring. They did not. They have not, at this current time. Again I'm bringing this up because dad in the article seems very much like my neighbor. The Nice Guy who lives between us (who is a great guy, very friendly, offers to let most neighbors use his pool etc), told me that this same WT neighbor routinely piles crap up against the fence between their houses - which is six inches onto nice guy's property. NG wouldn't even care about that much, except whenever he goes to trim the grass around the fence, he can't, because of the piled junk.

We also have a livestock ordinance in our village (outside the village, it's mostly farming community except in the 'city' we're next to). I was actually kind of bummed to find out I couldn't have any chickens, but our houses are all so close together that I understand why. It would be a pain on small yards like mine to keep the birds from either wandering or moved around enough to keep them happy.

So father in the article goes crying to the newspaper about the rabbit and the livestock ordinance, when I bet you cash that the real problem is he doesn't maintain his property. Sounds to me like this guy seized on the one issue that would get him good press and make the town back off. Much like I'm sure WT guy would do, if NG or anyone else pushed the issue.


As long as you're not leaping to conclusions based on your personal experiences and projecting built-up resentment onto a situation you have little information about.

That would be foolish.
 
2012-08-19 08:36:43 AM
Kayden Lidsky and her family had been issued a cease-and-desist order by a North Haven town enforcement officer after a neighbour complained that their pet broke zoning laws.

It would be terribly amusing of Anonymous found out who the neighbor was.
 
2012-08-19 08:41:24 AM
Its punishment is that it will remain in North Haven.
 
2012-08-19 09:05:12 AM
But big Sandy's a pet & highly unlikely to be stewed, fried or roast. Even tho she's a big pet, which goes with her breed.
Remote Skritch Behind Ears for Sandy from moi!
 
2012-08-19 09:06:20 AM

Ihaveanevilparrot: Good.

Who and the hell would ever check to see if their city ordnance considers rabbits livestock? They're mainly sold and kept as pets nationwide. There's a grey area for stuff like pigs, which are still considered farm animals and widely regarded as food by most people, but rabbits? Almost no one looks at those and thinks livestock anymore than guinea pigs, which could also technically be considered a food animal.

Stupid law is stupid.


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The other, other white meat.
 
2012-08-19 10:17:04 AM

quatchi: 'She's not a mean bunny. She doesn't bite people. She only licks.'

[timtheenchanter]

"Oh, it's just a harmless little *bunny*, isn't it?"


Heh, my bunny is tiny, probably doesn't even weigh 2 pounds. But when I first got him and he wasn't quite used to me reaching into his cage to feed him, he got a hold of my finger. I never would have thought that furry little shiat could make me bleed so much.
 
2012-08-20 06:21:44 PM
Harry_Seldon - Just between you and me, what season is it really? .
 
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