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(Oregon Live)   It's come to this: A group of gun enthusiasts crash an event where the public is voluntarily turning in their firearms. "One-hundred fifty for the revolver sir. It's not too late"   (oregonlive.com) divider line 40
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2012-08-19 08:09:54 AM
8 votes:
Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.
2012-08-19 08:41:05 AM
5 votes:
It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.
2012-08-19 08:10:30 AM
3 votes:
Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.
2012-08-19 09:22:28 AM
2 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


That's a straw purchase, which is a felony.
2012-08-19 09:11:39 AM
2 votes:

craigdamage: Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.


Have you been to any gun shows? If so, and if you still feel that way, maybe gun shows in my state (PA) are different than yours.

The NRA is whacking nutters on the back of the head and saying "stop spouting Red Dawn fantasies because fish and wildlife services are buying ammo, that's perfectly normal, dumbass". Most of the people I meet at gun shows are levelheaded hunters, collectors and merchants. I'm just not seeing all this derp people are talking about.
2012-08-19 09:10:35 AM
2 votes:

Skunkarific: Hilarious. And the cops were cool with it too.


As noted in TFA, the police were cool with it because everything was legal. I don't understand why it's hilarious that the police are OK with law-abiding people doing legal things.
2012-08-19 08:58:42 AM
2 votes:
In other news, a demonstration of the free market is played out in an Oregon parking lot.
2012-08-19 08:46:52 AM
2 votes:
All weapons collected are melted down.

Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.
2012-08-19 08:39:56 AM
2 votes:

badhatharry: The plan is for gangs to turn in their guns for Fred Meyer gift cards. This is their plan.


Exactly. Even the police at the event know it is pointless theater.
2012-08-20 06:52:13 AM
1 votes:

saturn badger: Until I see [citationneeded.jpg] on this I'm going to go with it is just junk people want to rid of and see a way to get paid for it.


GIS turned up this thread from AR-15.com from a different buy up.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/872868_LAPD_takes_in_over_1700_weapo n s_in_gun_buyback_program__pics_.html

dl.dropbox.com

To the left you'll see two long barreled Artillery Lugers. WW2 versions in good condition can run around three grand.
The Colt 1911 above it is worth maybe three hundred, but if its a WW2 era (and especially if its a singer) it can be worth quite a bit more.
The UZI Galil on the lower right (assuming its the real thing and not a repro) was probably not sold in the US if it was made after 86. They can go for around five grand as an NFA item. The Tec 9's would probably get a bit less, if automatic.
All those little beretta's I'd eye with suspicion. Straw purchasers usually go for the cheap stuff, which is what helped to make Guns like Highpoints notorious and the .25ACP one of the most lethal rounds in the US.

dl.dropbox.com

In the middle front pile I can see an Short Magazine Lee Enfield. A british rifle from WW1. To the right of it, I think that might be a 1903 springfield. Not uncommon guns, but you could get two hundred apiece I'd wager. Great collectibles.
In the left pile is another 1903 and a Russian SKS. In the right pile, I'm not sure but I think that is an AR-18 on top. Might be worth a grand if it is. The Mosin and 870 below it will move fast in any store,
On the rear right blanket I think I see a World war era Webly revolver.

dl.dropbox.com

Those AK's up front look like civilian versions. You should get at least two or three hundred each.
If they are full auto NFA items, probably a few grand each. Not sure.

/Someone with more experience than me could probably weed out the deals.
/I'd imagine that shopping at a police auction would be like going to any yard sale. 70% crap, 20% useful, 10% mislabeled treasure.
2012-08-19 06:36:10 PM
1 votes:

CheapEngineer: SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.

OOOoooh. I just got shivers up my spine from that display on manliness!

RAVISH ME NOW!

\own a couple of guns, never fired em, and no ammo
\\don't have a problem with gun owners, as long as they accept responsibility for what their weapon does
\\\not particularly fond of some of 'em who make a point of swingin'; their wang around 'bout their guns
\\\\like you, for instance


You should be a lot more concerned about journalists making egregious errors
2012-08-19 10:35:01 AM
1 votes:

chairborne: Well first off Craigs List is anti gun, you can advertise prostituion all you want (nttawwt) but any mention of selling a firearm get's your ad yanked.


Can't you just say something like "Winchester model 70, composite stock blowjob - 450 roses"?
2012-08-19 10:22:46 AM
1 votes:
"Other buyers said they purchased guns on a principle -- to prevent the firearms from going out of circulation"

What exactly is that principle again? Is everyone required to own a firearm now?
2012-08-19 10:10:01 AM
1 votes:
media.oregonlive.com

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.
2012-08-19 10:00:49 AM
1 votes:

chairborne: A WWII GI Issue 1911 handgun is very much a historical piece, it's also more than capable of being used in home defense. A well cared for firearm using the proper ammunition lasts a hell of a long time.


Why would you want to use it for home defense though? the 1911 is a solid design, but if an intruder breaks into your home and you shoot them with it, you can bet your ass your gun is going to be held as evidence for a while till your name is cleared.

You want grandpa's 1911 sitting in an evidence locker where anyone can play with and damage it? Of course not. Historical weapons should not be used as home defense.
2012-08-19 09:59:17 AM
1 votes:

Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.


Birds of a feather. You're an idiot. Stands to reason anybody who would want to associate with you would be an idiot too.
2012-08-19 09:52:05 AM
1 votes:
FTA-"One of his first purchases of the day, a Remington Nylon 66 22-caliber rifle, was for $20"

SON OF A BIATCH! I've been looking for one of those. $20? Really? Did the original owner not know what that gun is worth?

"He immediately resold it for $100 to another gun buyer, Darren Campbell of Salem, who recognized the firearm as worth potentially triple what he paid."

I gotta start looking around for these buy back programs.
2012-08-19 09:49:42 AM
1 votes:

Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.


STFU idiot and start hanging out with smarter people
2012-08-19 09:46:55 AM
1 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: To all the people with the "straw purchase" answer: thank you.
Okay, so let's forget the friend. If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?


Craigslist TOS prohibits selling of firearms. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen as I see them posted frequently but they do get flagged for removal. Still kicking myself for not calling a guy about a muzzleloader on there last week. Legally speaking, a muzzleloader is not a firearm and in most states felons are allowed to own them for hunting.
2012-08-19 09:26:56 AM
1 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


That's called a 'straw purchase'. It's a felony everywhere, and both you and your straw purchaser would be headed to jail. And if the seller asks if you are a straw purchaser, you tell him yes, and he sells it anyway, then the seller goes to jail too. Oh, and anyone convicted of a felony loses their right to own firearms forever. So the rules are basically, "fark up once and you're done", which is why most gun owners are so touchy.

The BATF goes around doing 'stings' for exactly this situation. They'll see an ad for a private sale and send an undercover who makes it clear they're disqualified from owning firearms to see how the seller reacts. And anyone who goes along with it gets arrested.
2012-08-19 09:23:29 AM
1 votes:
If the article teaches people anything, it should be about the absolute failure of gun buy back programs. Even the police admit that criminals aren't turning in guns, but it's usually people who are irrationally terrified of grandpa's antique .22 that's been gathering dust in the basement... but someday might gain sentience and rise up against them.

I would cry if someone turned in for destruction the rifle I inherited from my grandfather, a 1895 Winchester High Wall.
2012-08-19 09:20:52 AM
1 votes:

nmbottlecap:

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


A lot of the historical value of firearms is the unique mechanisms of some of them. Usually, deactivating a firearm destroys these mechanisms, which pretty much defeats the purpose of keeping the thing in the first place.

Your statement is logically equivalent to saying that those old Japanese swords that were made of thousands of folds of metal should have their blades broken so they can't resume their intended purpose, to kill. I'm pretty sure lots of academics would be mad if someone went around breaking ancient Japanese swords :)
2012-08-19 09:15:38 AM
1 votes:

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Yes, that's it, fark the gun up so it's worthless.Most very old rifles are a biatch to feed anyway. And I highly doubt somebody is going to use a 1871 Mauser in a crime. Or a Lee-Enfield.

I agree with the folk above me: love guns but the gun culture makes me cringe every time I hit the show.

The women's logic about her mother's suicide is borked. If somebody I loved died because of a tragic bicycle accident I would dedicate my life to getting all those,evil machines off the streets.
2012-08-19 09:14:35 AM
1 votes:

ZzeusS: How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.


Probably very little. As other posters have pointed out, the real nice guns will go missing from the evidence locker.
2012-08-19 09:13:30 AM
1 votes:
2012-08-19 09:12:33 AM
1 votes:

nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


For the same reason you don't seize the engine of a classic muscle car so people won't put miles on it.

It's worthless if the damn thing doesn't function.
2012-08-19 09:12:20 AM
1 votes:

stevarooni: Ha! FTFA: In return for each operable gun, owners received the gift card. (emphasis mine)

So now they're requiring them to be operable guns, eh? I'd heard of several gun "buy-backs" where people would bring their crappy, non-functional guns in, get $200, and buy a nifty new $150 pistol down the street.


So they test fire em before they melt em?

As another astute poster mentioned, this is like cash for clunkers where thousands of dollars worth of collector pieces are scrapped. These are feel good programs that make anyone who isn't laughably stupid feel like chocking these fools.
2012-08-19 09:10:45 AM
1 votes:

nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


For one thing, that would be altering a historical artifact. Might be good if you're changing a piece for museum display where you're allowing the public to touch it, but otherwise you're changing what could be a historical artifact; generally a bad idea that distorts the historicity of it.

For another, beyond being a historical artifact, old guns can have value as antiques. Not as inflated in worth as to presume it should be studied by scholars, but instead just an old piece of history that someone might to add to their collections.
2012-08-19 09:09:16 AM
1 votes:
Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.
2012-08-19 09:06:28 AM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.


Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?
2012-08-19 09:06:22 AM
1 votes:

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.


Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....
2012-08-19 09:05:52 AM
1 votes:

NickelP: FTA Julee recounted the five instances in her own life where family tragedy was linked to gun violence, including her mother's suicide with a family hunting rifle. Julee was 26 at the time.

"So basically I do this in honor of her," she said.

Way to blame the guns, its not like she could of offed herself 1000 other ways if needed.


Not to mention when Mom shot herself with a hunting rifle I am sure the exact message she was trying to give was that she clearly wished her daughter would devote her life to removing as many guns as possible from the population.
2012-08-19 08:59:33 AM
1 votes:
Ha! FTFA: In return for each operable gun, owners received the gift card. (emphasis mine)

So now they're requiring them to be operable guns, eh? I'd heard of several gun "buy-backs" where people would bring their crappy, non-functional guns in, get $200, and buy a nifty new $150 pistol down the street.
2012-08-19 08:59:11 AM
1 votes:

Rich Cream: All weapons collected are melted down.

Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.


QFT. It's laughable to think that the cops don't keep guns that strike their fancy. In my area, a decent number of new "consignment" guns always seem to turn up at the local LEO's favorite gun store right after a buyback.
2012-08-19 08:58:09 AM
1 votes:
That actually sounds like a good idea. I might be able to get something decent for well under market value that way.
2012-08-19 08:57:47 AM
1 votes:

badhatharry: one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.

How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?


Suppose some citizen inherits a pair of prized Purdey shotguns. I'd much rather have them sell to a collector than turn them in for destruction. They certainly would be respected enough to be well cared for. The only fate worse than destruction would be if an idiot gangster sawed off the barrels for his criminal enterprise.
2012-08-19 08:53:45 AM
1 votes:
I wonder how many of these guns wind up in the private collections of the police.
2012-08-19 08:43:47 AM
1 votes:
They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.
2012-08-19 08:17:54 AM
1 votes:

one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.


How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?
2012-08-19 08:05:36 AM
1 votes:
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