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(Oregon Live)   It's come to this: A group of gun enthusiasts crash an event where the public is voluntarily turning in their firearms. "One-hundred fifty for the revolver sir. It's not too late"   (oregonlive.com) divider line 181
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2012-08-19 06:03:20 AM  
After all, NRA Jesus weeps every time a gun is destroyed.
 
2012-08-19 08:05:36 AM  
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2012-08-19 08:09:54 AM  
Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.
 
2012-08-19 08:10:30 AM  
Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.
 
2012-08-19 08:15:12 AM  
The plan is for gangs to turn in their guns for Fred Meyer gift cards. This is their plan.
 
2012-08-19 08:17:54 AM  

one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.


How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?
 
2012-08-19 08:39:56 AM  

badhatharry: The plan is for gangs to turn in their guns for Fred Meyer gift cards. This is their plan.


Exactly. Even the police at the event know it is pointless theater.
 
2012-08-19 08:41:05 AM  
It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.
 
2012-08-19 08:42:39 AM  
Alas, it was too late because the man with the pearl-handled revolver proceeded to turn over the firearm Saturday afternoon in exchange for a $75 Fred Meyer gift card.

Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.
 
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2012-08-19 08:42:55 AM  
But all the buyers interviewed had at some awareness of the firearms' true resale value. 

Sounds like evil capitalists if you ask me
 
2012-08-19 08:43:47 AM  
They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.
 
2012-08-19 08:46:52 AM  
All weapons collected are melted down.

Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.
 
2012-08-19 08:49:35 AM  
Hilarious. And the cops were cool with it too.
 
2012-08-19 08:51:50 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.


mimg.ugo.com

sees what you did there
 
2012-08-19 08:53:45 AM  
I wonder how many of these guns wind up in the private collections of the police.
 
2012-08-19 08:54:52 AM  

randomjsa: They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.


Sigh.
 
2012-08-19 08:56:49 AM  
The Japanese have their golf religion. We Americans have a gun religion.

/Gun God demands regular feedings.
 
2012-08-19 08:57:47 AM  

badhatharry: one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.

How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?


Suppose some citizen inherits a pair of prized Purdey shotguns. I'd much rather have them sell to a collector than turn them in for destruction. They certainly would be respected enough to be well cared for. The only fate worse than destruction would be if an idiot gangster sawed off the barrels for his criminal enterprise.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:09 AM  
That actually sounds like a good idea. I might be able to get something decent for well under market value that way.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:12 AM  
Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:42 AM  
In other news, a demonstration of the free market is played out in an Oregon parking lot.
 
2012-08-19 08:59:11 AM  

Rich Cream: All weapons collected are melted down.

Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.


QFT. It's laughable to think that the cops don't keep guns that strike their fancy. In my area, a decent number of new "consignment" guns always seem to turn up at the local LEO's favorite gun store right after a buyback.
 
2012-08-19 08:59:33 AM  
Ha! FTFA: In return for each operable gun, owners received the gift card. (emphasis mine)

So now they're requiring them to be operable guns, eh? I'd heard of several gun "buy-backs" where people would bring their crappy, non-functional guns in, get $200, and buy a nifty new $150 pistol down the street.
 
2012-08-19 09:02:21 AM  
FTA Julee recounted the five instances in her own life where family tragedy was linked to gun violence, including her mother's suicide with a family hunting rifle. Julee was 26 at the time.

"So basically I do this in honor of her," she said.


Way to blame the guns, its not like she could of offed herself 1000 other ways if needed.
 
2012-08-19 09:04:57 AM  
Something....something......no background check required?....something.
 
2012-08-19 09:05:52 AM  

NickelP: FTA Julee recounted the five instances in her own life where family tragedy was linked to gun violence, including her mother's suicide with a family hunting rifle. Julee was 26 at the time.

"So basically I do this in honor of her," she said.

Way to blame the guns, its not like she could of offed herself 1000 other ways if needed.


Not to mention when Mom shot herself with a hunting rifle I am sure the exact message she was trying to give was that she clearly wished her daughter would devote her life to removing as many guns as possible from the population.
 
2012-08-19 09:06:22 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.


Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....
 
2012-08-19 09:06:28 AM  

fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.


Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?
 
2012-08-19 09:09:16 AM  
Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.
 
2012-08-19 09:10:35 AM  

Skunkarific: Hilarious. And the cops were cool with it too.


As noted in TFA, the police were cool with it because everything was legal. I don't understand why it's hilarious that the police are OK with law-abiding people doing legal things.
 
2012-08-19 09:10:45 AM  

nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


For one thing, that would be altering a historical artifact. Might be good if you're changing a piece for museum display where you're allowing the public to touch it, but otherwise you're changing what could be a historical artifact; generally a bad idea that distorts the historicity of it.

For another, beyond being a historical artifact, old guns can have value as antiques. Not as inflated in worth as to presume it should be studied by scholars, but instead just an old piece of history that someone might to add to their collections.
 
2012-08-19 09:11:39 AM  

craigdamage: Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.


Have you been to any gun shows? If so, and if you still feel that way, maybe gun shows in my state (PA) are different than yours.

The NRA is whacking nutters on the back of the head and saying "stop spouting Red Dawn fantasies because fish and wildlife services are buying ammo, that's perfectly normal, dumbass". Most of the people I meet at gun shows are levelheaded hunters, collectors and merchants. I'm just not seeing all this derp people are talking about.
 
2012-08-19 09:12:20 AM  

stevarooni: Ha! FTFA: In return for each operable gun, owners received the gift card. (emphasis mine)

So now they're requiring them to be operable guns, eh? I'd heard of several gun "buy-backs" where people would bring their crappy, non-functional guns in, get $200, and buy a nifty new $150 pistol down the street.


So they test fire em before they melt em?

As another astute poster mentioned, this is like cash for clunkers where thousands of dollars worth of collector pieces are scrapped. These are feel good programs that make anyone who isn't laughably stupid feel like chocking these fools.
 
2012-08-19 09:12:33 AM  

nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


For the same reason you don't seize the engine of a classic muscle car so people won't put miles on it.

It's worthless if the damn thing doesn't function.
 
2012-08-19 09:13:30 AM  
 
2012-08-19 09:14:35 AM  

ZzeusS: How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.


Probably very little. As other posters have pointed out, the real nice guns will go missing from the evidence locker.
 
2012-08-19 09:15:38 AM  

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Yes, that's it, fark the gun up so it's worthless.Most very old rifles are a biatch to feed anyway. And I highly doubt somebody is going to use a 1871 Mauser in a crime. Or a Lee-Enfield.

I agree with the folk above me: love guns but the gun culture makes me cringe every time I hit the show.

The women's logic about her mother's suicide is borked. If somebody I loved died because of a tragic bicycle accident I would dedicate my life to getting all those,evil machines off the streets.
 
2012-08-19 09:15:52 AM  

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Good idea! That way when some crackhead kicks in my door to steal stuff & possibly kill me, I'll have my handy dandy disabled firearm to protect me.
 
2012-08-19 09:16:44 AM  
Don't see a problem with it, especially the collector angle.

But what happens next year when it's gang bangers buying cheap guns instead of these guys?
 
2012-08-19 09:17:17 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: Alas, it was too late because the man with the pearl-handled revolver proceeded to turn over the firearm Saturday afternoon in exchange for a $75 Fred Meyer gift card.

Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.


this is Oregon, not Oakland. land of wide open places and cattle ranches. In the rural west, everyone owns a gun and knows how to use it. It is not unusual for families to pass down their antique six shooters to the younger generation. You assume to much. Apart from a few places in Portland, there is nowhere in the state where people would "pimp" their guns.
 
2012-08-19 09:17:35 AM  

one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.


Except with the cops "forget" to destroy the guns and they end up back on the street through being stolen, "lost", or sold.

/these events do nothing to remove guns off the street or improve safety - its PR
 
2012-08-19 09:18:02 AM  

stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....


Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?
 
2012-08-19 09:20:19 AM  
Anyway, if I had the disposable income and a turn-in was happening nearby, I'd do this exact thing.

You've got deluded politicians urging citizens to destroy their property in an action that will never result in the supposed good they're claiming. You've got deluded citizens turning in grampa's old shotgun for a tenth of its value. You've got cops waiting to pilfer their favorites and destroy the rest, regardless of value.

Way I see it, the guys turning up to buy the guns are the only ones thinking straight.
 
2012-08-19 09:20:33 AM  

dickfreckle: Plant Rights Activist: Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.

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sees what you did there


Damnit.

I'm.posting it anyway.

Approves: 
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2012-08-19 09:20:52 AM  

nmbottlecap:

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


A lot of the historical value of firearms is the unique mechanisms of some of them. Usually, deactivating a firearm destroys these mechanisms, which pretty much defeats the purpose of keeping the thing in the first place.

Your statement is logically equivalent to saying that those old Japanese swords that were made of thousands of folds of metal should have their blades broken so they can't resume their intended purpose, to kill. I'm pretty sure lots of academics would be mad if someone went around breaking ancient Japanese swords :)
 
2012-08-19 09:22:28 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


That's a straw purchase, which is a felony.
 
2012-08-19 09:23:09 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


Yes. You could also buy his car and drive it into a crowd.
 
2012-08-19 09:23:29 AM  
If the article teaches people anything, it should be about the absolute failure of gun buy back programs. Even the police admit that criminals aren't turning in guns, but it's usually people who are irrationally terrified of grandpa's antique .22 that's been gathering dust in the basement... but someday might gain sentience and rise up against them.

I would cry if someone turned in for destruction the rifle I inherited from my grandfather, a 1895 Winchester High Wall.
 
2012-08-19 09:25:52 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


No, that would be a straw purchase, and you'd be a prohibited person in possession of a firearm. Felonies for the both of you.
 
2012-08-19 09:26:56 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


That's called a 'straw purchase'. It's a felony everywhere, and both you and your straw purchaser would be headed to jail. And if the seller asks if you are a straw purchaser, you tell him yes, and he sells it anyway, then the seller goes to jail too. Oh, and anyone convicted of a felony loses their right to own firearms forever. So the rules are basically, "fark up once and you're done", which is why most gun owners are so touchy.

The BATF goes around doing 'stings' for exactly this situation. They'll see an ad for a private sale and send an undercover who makes it clear they're disqualified from owning firearms to see how the seller reacts. And anyone who goes along with it gets arrested.
 
Rat
2012-08-19 09:27:20 AM  
I truly believe that anyone that criticizes guns hasn't felt that pure joy that only a loud bang can satisfy. Ya'll should try it. Soothing. Satisfying. Good times...

© and FTR, I don't consider it hoarding ammo if the ammo was on sale. Its just being thrifty.
 
2012-08-19 09:27:32 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


If you don't pass the background check it's more than likely illegal for you to own the gun after you've legally purchased it so good luck getting any permits. But you could do that sure.. or just buy a burner from someones trunk. 'Cause criminals don't follow laws you know?
 
2012-08-19 09:28:00 AM  

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Because altering it ruins its value.

What you are suggesting is tantamount to owning a classic car, but not putting en engine in it so that it cant be driven bc its not safe without electronic stability control.
 
2012-08-19 09:28:24 AM  
Amusing...more like Brilliant.

The person selling the gun would get more money then the cops are offering, and most likely the guy buying the gun is getting it on the cheap.

It's a win/win
 
2012-08-19 09:31:54 AM  
I'm pretty sure that all of the rabbits and squirrels in the area are happy to know they will safer from the gang bangers considering most of the guns mentioned were .22's.
 
2012-08-19 09:33:38 AM  

ZzeusS: Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.


Why on earth shouldn't people destroy their own property? If someone wants to destroy grandad's old shotgun instead of keeping it or selling it, that's their choice.

Seriously, I don't understand everyone moaning about this. Let other people make their own choices about their own property.
 
2012-08-19 09:35:39 AM  
To all the people with the "straw purchase" answer: thank you.
Okay, so let's forget the friend. If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?
 
2012-08-19 09:37:32 AM  

ManicParroT: ZzeusS: Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.

Why on earth shouldn't people destroy their own property? If someone wants to destroy grandad's old shotgun instead of keeping it or selling it, that's their choice.

Seriously, I don't understand everyone moaning about this. Let other people make their own choices about their own property.


Nobody sane is suggesting that gun buybacks should be made illegal.
 
2012-08-19 09:42:01 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?


Yes, but not a very extensive one. When making a private sale, the seller is obliged to ensure themselves that the person purchasing the gun is not a prohibited person. Normally, this just takes the form of asking the person. Many people I know, myself included, that sell firearms from their collections require the buyer to sign a form declaring they aren't prohibited. A CYA measure in case they lie. Usually, the same form declares that the buyer assures that the firearm isn't stolen etc. Protection for both sides of the transaction. If someone doesn't want to sign the form, I won't sell to them.
 
2012-08-19 09:43:26 AM  
I'm fine with gun buy-backs. It gives people who don't have an interest in having a gun but somehow found themselves in possession of one, a marketed opportunity to legally get rid of it. If they are a moral crusader who wants to "remove it" entirely, they can leave knowing that they contributed somehow to a "good cause" (however pointless, in the face of reality).

I'm also OK with others bidding on the guns, because they DO have value (though the worth of that value may be debateable in some circles). Just going by odds, most firearms are not going to be significant, but people disposing of the firearm in this way would not be in a position to judge that accurately. To them, the gun is worth $75, even though a collector might pay ten times that amount.

I wouldn't consider this "crashing" the buy back event. If they had marched in and waved posters around protesting the imminent destruction of innocent guns, then I would say they crashed it.

This? This was commerce.

The only part that I had a bad reaction to was the cop saying that the gun buyers weren't going to be handing the guns to "undesireables." WTF is that? What makes one an "undesireable"? Is that code for "people of color"? "Gays"? "Liberals"? "Conservatives"? "Heretics and apostates"? or "People who legally are prohibited from owning a firearm"?
 
2012-08-19 09:46:55 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: To all the people with the "straw purchase" answer: thank you.
Okay, so let's forget the friend. If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?


Craigslist TOS prohibits selling of firearms. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen as I see them posted frequently but they do get flagged for removal. Still kicking myself for not calling a guy about a muzzleloader on there last week. Legally speaking, a muzzleloader is not a firearm and in most states felons are allowed to own them for hunting.
 
2012-08-19 09:48:51 AM  

killiemary: Good idea! That way when some crackhead kicks in my door to steal stuff & possibly kill me, I'll have my handy dandy disabled firearm to protect me.


You shouldn't be using a historical piece to protect your home, so while you are on the right side of the argument, you make no decent point.
 
2012-08-19 09:49:33 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Yes, but not a very extensive one. When making a private sale, the seller is obliged to ensure themselves that the person purchasing the gun is not a prohibited person. Normally, this just takes the form of asking the person. Many people I know, myself included, that sell firearms from their collections require the buyer to sign a form declaring they aren't prohibited. A CYA measure in case they lie. Usually, the same form declares that the buyer assures that the firearm isn't stolen etc. Protection for both sides of the transaction. If someone doesn't want to sign the form, I won't sell to them.


I guess that's something anyway. You'll have to excuse me. I'm terribly ignorant in this arena and finding it a little surprising that the reality is, it would be pretty easy for any nutcase/criminal to lay their hands on a gun without having to going to someone who makes a business of illegally selling weapons.
 
2012-08-19 09:49:42 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.


STFU idiot and start hanging out with smarter people
 
2012-08-19 09:50:04 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: To all the people with the "straw purchase" answer: thank you.
Okay, so let's forget the friend. If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?


Well first off Craigs List is anti gun, you can advertise prostituion all you want (nttawwt) but any mention of selling a firearm get's your ad yanked.

In my state there are laws on the books that say you need to be reasonably sure that the person you are selling to is not prohibited from owning firearms, I believe federal law backs that up, so yeah, generally if you have reasonable doubt that the person you are selling to is a felon or has been adjudicated mentally incompetent or any other disqualifier it's a felony to sell to them, it's why many private sellers make the transaction at a gun shop and do a federal transfer, that way they go through the background check. The other option is one I've used, I only sell to someone with a concealed carry permit, even if it's a shotgun or rifle. Having a valid concealed carry license indicates they've passed a background check and haven't done anything to have it revoked since.

This whole thing is what is referred to as "the gun show loophole" that anti firearms types always talk about, despite it being a felony for knowingly selling to someone who can't legally own one.

That's not a loophole, and the real story is how little the ATF and most local governments do to actually enforce these laws, they'd love to ban face to face sales altogether but can't be bothered to enforce the reasonable laws already on the books.
 
2012-08-19 09:51:04 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.


So these guys are arming people that they hate and fear? Sure that makes sense.

/not a gun enthusiast
//owns 6 guns anway
///family heirlooms
 
2012-08-19 09:52:05 AM  
FTA-"One of his first purchases of the day, a Remington Nylon 66 22-caliber rifle, was for $20"

SON OF A BIATCH! I've been looking for one of those. $20? Really? Did the original owner not know what that gun is worth?

"He immediately resold it for $100 to another gun buyer, Darren Campbell of Salem, who recognized the firearm as worth potentially triple what he paid."

I gotta start looking around for these buy back programs.
 
2012-08-19 09:53:03 AM  

fluffy2097: killiemary: Good idea! That way when some crackhead kicks in my door to steal stuff & possibly kill me, I'll have my handy dandy disabled firearm to protect me.

You shouldn't be using a historical piece to protect your home, so while you are on the right side of the argument, you make no decent point.


A WWII GI Issue 1911 handgun is very much a historical piece, it's also more than capable of being used in home defense. A well cared for firearm using the proper ammunition lasts a hell of a long time.
 
2012-08-19 09:54:01 AM  

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Are police weapons intended to kill?
 
2012-08-19 09:54:46 AM  

Rat: I truly believe that anyone that criticizes guns hasn't felt that pure joy that only a loud bang can satisfy.


That, friend, is what fireworks are for. No bullets involved.

/or an enthusiastic farkbuddy
 
2012-08-19 09:59:17 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.


Birds of a feather. You're an idiot. Stands to reason anybody who would want to associate with you would be an idiot too.
 
2012-08-19 10:00:49 AM  

chairborne: A WWII GI Issue 1911 handgun is very much a historical piece, it's also more than capable of being used in home defense. A well cared for firearm using the proper ammunition lasts a hell of a long time.


Why would you want to use it for home defense though? the 1911 is a solid design, but if an intruder breaks into your home and you shoot them with it, you can bet your ass your gun is going to be held as evidence for a while till your name is cleared.

You want grandpa's 1911 sitting in an evidence locker where anyone can play with and damage it? Of course not. Historical weapons should not be used as home defense.
 
2012-08-19 10:01:30 AM  

Basily Gourt: FTA-"One of his first purchases of the day, a Remington Nylon 66 22-caliber rifle, was for $20"

SON OF A BIATCH! I've been looking for one of those. $20? Really? Did the original owner not know what that gun is worth?

"He immediately resold it for $100 to another gun buyer, Darren Campbell of Salem, who recognized the firearm as worth potentially triple what he paid."

I gotta start looking around for these buy back programs.


$20? Couldn't that guy have gotten a $75 gift card for that rifle at the buyback?
 
2012-08-19 10:03:47 AM  

JonZoidberg: Basily Gourt: FTA-"One of his first purchases of the day, a Remington Nylon 66 22-caliber rifle, was for $20"

SON OF A BIATCH! I've been looking for one of those. $20? Really? Did the original owner not know what that gun is worth?

"He immediately resold it for $100 to another gun buyer, Darren Campbell of Salem, who recognized the firearm as worth potentially triple what he paid."

I gotta start looking around for these buy back programs.

$20? Couldn't that guy have gotten a $75 gift card for that rifle at the buyback?


Yea, I got a feeling that this was one of those "buyback" programs where the only people who show up are crooks with stolen weapons. $20 cash vs. $75 gift card. Do the math.
 
2012-08-19 10:04:33 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Yes, but not a very extensive one. When making a private sale, the seller is obliged to ensure themselves that the person purchasing the gun is not a prohibited person. Normally, this just takes the form of asking the person. Many people I know, myself included, that sell firearms from their collections require the buyer to sign a form declaring they aren't prohibited. A CYA measure in case they lie. Usually, the same form declares that the buyer assures that the firearm isn't stolen etc. Protection for both sides of the transaction. If someone doesn't want to sign the form, I won't sell to them.


You have a copy of that form or know where I could get a generic one? It'd be nice to have given I'm shopping around for a CCW
 
2012-08-19 10:04:47 AM  
ArmagedDan I'm just not seeing all this derp people are talking about.


Enjoy your gun shows in PA.

Down here in TX it is DERP,derp...derp.
 
2012-08-19 10:06:16 AM  

hogans: badhatharry: one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.

How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?

Suppose some citizen inherits a pair of prized Purdey shotguns. I'd much rather have them sell to a collector than turn them in for destruction. They certainly would be respected enough to be well cared for. The only fate worse than destruction would be if an idiot gangster sawed off the barrels for his criminal enterprise.


How about vintage grenades?
Do you weep knowing a world war I pineapple may be taken out of circulation as well, or is it only handguns that give you a boner?
 
2012-08-19 10:08:25 AM  
Say you had a police department who had a bunch of cars in the impound yard.
Let's say among those cars were collectible vehicles, some from the fifties smd others worth tens of thousands as they sit.
...and let's say the PD decided to line them and drive monster trucks over them up so they could prove how much they dislike speeders and drunk drivers.

What would you tell that same police department when they came back the next fiscal year complaining about how their budget was short again?
Because when you get past the gun phobia, some of what gets turned in by well meaning citizens are items worth real money.

/A local woman turned in an m1 carbine from the Korean war.
/it was maybe worth two grand.
/ain't worth jack as scrap.
/Her (now ex) husband was pissed.
 
2012-08-19 10:10:01 AM  
media.oregonlive.com

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.
 
2012-08-19 10:10:21 AM  

exparrot: hogans: badhatharry: one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.

How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?

Suppose some citizen inherits a pair of prized Purdey shotguns. I'd much rather have them sell to a collector than turn them in for destruction. They certainly would be respected enough to be well cared for. The only fate worse than destruction would be if an idiot gangster sawed off the barrels for his criminal enterprise.

How about vintage grenades?
Do you weep knowing a world war I pineapple may be taken out of circulation as well, or is it only handguns that give you a boner?


False equivalency. You can't really use a grenade for hunting, self defense, or sport. It's a one-time use item that, if you have one, should be made safe to keep as an artifact/antique/whatever.
 
Rat
2012-08-19 10:13:30 AM  

craigdamage: ArmagedDan I'm just not seeing all this derp people are talking about.


Enjoy your gun shows in PA.

Down here in TX it is DERP,derp...derp.


I second that...San Antonio gun shows, where camouflage is a primary color and goes well with Crocs.

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2012-08-19 10:13:50 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Click Click D'oh: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Yes, but not a very extensive one. When making a private sale, the seller is obliged to ensure themselves that the person purchasing the gun is not a prohibited person. Normally, this just takes the form of asking the person. Many people I know, myself included, that sell firearms from their collections require the buyer to sign a form declaring they aren't prohibited. A CYA measure in case they lie. Usually, the same form declares that the buyer assures that the firearm isn't stolen etc. Protection for both sides of the transaction. If someone doesn't want to sign the form, I won't sell to them.

I guess that's something anyway. You'll have to excuse me. I'm terribly ignorant in this arena and finding it a little surprising that the reality is, it would be pretty easy for any nutcase/criminal to lay their hands on a gun without having to going to someone who makes a business of illegally selling weapons.


Welcome to reality. We're glad you finally made it over.
 
2012-08-19 10:15:06 AM  

fluffy2097: chairborne: A WWII GI Issue 1911 handgun is very much a historical piece, it's also more than capable of being used in home defense. A well cared for firearm using the proper ammunition lasts a hell of a long time.

Why would you want to use it for home defense though? the 1911 is a solid design, but if an intruder breaks into your home and you shoot them with it, you can bet your ass your gun is going to be held as evidence for a while till your name is cleared.

You want grandpa's 1911 sitting in an evidence locker where anyone can play with and damage it? Of course not. Historical weapons should not be used as home defense.


Not everyone has the cash to be a collector, if Grandads 1911 is what you've got then I'm sure Grandad would more than understand you using it to defend your home.

I do have a little cash but I'm still not a collector, I *use* all of my firearms, I generally prefer modern weaponry but if the gun that comes to hand is one that has historical value then c'est la vie.
 
2012-08-19 10:18:54 AM  
I'm a gun owner, ans a strong advocate of the second amendment - but some of the more publicly extreme attention whores among the ranks don't make the position any easier to support.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-19 10:22:46 AM  
"Other buyers said they purchased guns on a principle -- to prevent the firearms from going out of circulation"

What exactly is that principle again? Is everyone required to own a firearm now?
 
2012-08-19 10:23:59 AM  

SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.


Well,maybe not - but i always use a snub-nose when I'm hunting Irishmen.
 
2012-08-19 10:26:36 AM  

Click Click D'oh: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Yes, but not a very extensive one. When making a private sale, the seller is obliged to ensure themselves that the person purchasing the gun is not a prohibited person. Normally, this just takes the form of asking the person.


You are correct, that is not a very extensive measure.
 
2012-08-19 10:35:01 AM  

chairborne: Well first off Craigs List is anti gun, you can advertise prostituion all you want (nttawwt) but any mention of selling a firearm get's your ad yanked.


Can't you just say something like "Winchester model 70, composite stock blowjob - 450 roses"?
 
2012-08-19 10:42:52 AM  

Basily Gourt: FTA-"One of his first purchases of the day, a Remington Nylon 66 22-caliber rifle, was for $20"

SON OF A BIATCH! I've been looking for one of those. $20? Really? Did the original owner not know what that gun is worth?

"He immediately resold it for $100 to another gun buyer, Darren Campbell of Salem, who recognized the firearm as worth potentially triple what he paid."

I gotta start looking around for these buy back programs.


If I'd known I'd have gone. This is cool, like a gun show should be. I used to go to the gun shows, but it's the same old thing with vendor tables set up selling OEM stuff.
 
2012-08-19 10:45:19 AM  

Coelacanth: The Japanese have their golf religion. We Americans have a gun religion.

/Gun God demands regular feedings.


BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!!!
 
2012-08-19 10:48:30 AM  
I don't own any guns that I would give up for anything near $150, step up your game if you want to get them "off the street".
 
2012-08-19 10:50:28 AM  
Trial runs for forced "buy backs" where your own tax money will be used to conficate your own property.
 
2012-08-19 10:52:24 AM  

Pfactor: Skunkarific: Hilarious. And the cops were cool with it too.

As noted in TFA, the police were cool with it because everything was legal. I don't understand why it's hilarious that the police are OK with law-abiding people doing legal things.


What's hilarious is that these transnational progressives involved with Oregon Ceasefire actually think they are doing anything other than providing another couple of hundred disarmed victims and encouraging crime. Maybe if they wish really really hard and put on their rose colored glasses they can deny reality and fool themselves. Lying
to yourself and believing it has got to be a mental illness.
 
2012-08-19 11:00:04 AM  

Ficoce: Basily Gourt: FTA-"One of his first purchases of the day, a Remington Nylon 66 22-caliber rifle, was for $20"

SON OF A BIATCH! I've been looking for one of those. $20? Really? Did the original owner not know what that gun is worth?

"He immediately resold it for $100 to another gun buyer, Darren Campbell of Salem, who recognized the firearm as worth potentially triple what he paid."

I gotta start looking around for these buy back programs.

If I'd known I'd have gone. This is cool, like a gun show should be. I used to go to the gun shows, but it's the same old thing with vendor tables set up selling OEM stuff.


gunbroker.com pretty much killed off the better gun shows. Just like ebay killed off most good flea markets.
 
2012-08-19 11:02:28 AM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


Actually then you will have gone from one Federal felony, trying to buy a gun as a prohibited person, to two or more Federal, State and Local felonies, buying/possessing a gun as a prohibited person, participating in a "straw buy", fraud (your friend swearing the gun is for him) and I'm sure any DA with an eye to higher office could come up with 5 or 6 more without any real effort. Of course the odds are in your favor since the Dept. of Just Us only prosecutes about 1 out of a thousand such cases.
 
2012-08-19 11:04:07 AM  
So the people in the article were trying to be straw buyers right in front of the cops. Brilliant.
 
2012-08-19 11:09:03 AM  

ex-nuke: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?

Actually then you will have gone from one Federal felony, trying to buy a gun as a prohibited person, to two or more Federal, State and Local felonies, buying/possessing a gun as a prohibited person, participating in a "straw buy", fraud (your friend swearing the gun is for him) and I'm sure any DA with an eye to higher office could come up with 5 or 6 more without any real effort. Of course the odds are in your favor since the Dept. of Just Us only prosecutes about 1 out of a thousand such cases.


There is also an existing black market for stolen or imported weapons.
Which is where the problem has always been with gun laws. They control the storefronts and the law abiding, not the guns or the criminals.

/But once people get obsessed with confiscating those icky pieces of scrap metal, all sight of the objective is lost.
 
2012-08-19 11:10:54 AM  

dennysgod: Amusing...more like Brilliant.

The person selling the gun would get more money then the cops are offering, and most likely the guy buying the gun is getting it on the cheap.

It's a win/win


It is Oregon Ceasefire that is holding this Buy Up (you can't buy "back" something you didn't sell) the Police are only assisting so one of these idiots don't hurt themselves or someone else. Of course Oregon Ceasefire is probably not using their own money they are not that interested in this kind of farce.
 
2012-08-19 11:12:29 AM  

seancakes: So the people in the article were trying to be straw buyers right in front of the cops. Brilliant.


Stray purchasing is when you buy a gun so you can sell it to someone who can't legally own one.
If you are a legal owner and you buy the gun for yourself, there isn't a crime. The cops can't stop you from conducting legitimate business.

/If you are in the business of buying and selling guns then you'll need an FFL license.
 
2012-08-19 11:14:15 AM  
I don't see anything bad about this. It's the free market doing it's thing and like other Farkers have previously said, only people terrified of guns gaining sentience are turning in weapons. Wouldn't the buyer and seller have to complete some kind of paperwork to legally transfer ownership of the firearm? I can't imagine I can toss out a $100 and have a revolver to add to my gun safe without incurring some kind of red tape.
 
2012-08-19 11:30:38 AM  

hundreddollarman: I don't see anything bad about this. It's the free market doing it's thing and like other Farkers have previously said, only people terrified of guns gaining sentience are turning in weapons. Wouldn't the buyer and seller have to complete some kind of paperwork to legally transfer ownership of the firearm? I can't imagine I can toss out a $100 and have a revolver to add to my gun safe without incurring some kind of red tape.


That's because you live in Kalifornia where red tape has become the norm. In many other states, a private transaction is private.
 
2012-08-19 11:33:22 AM  

fluffy2097: ZzeusS: How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.

Probably very little. As other posters have pointed out, the real nice guns will go missing from the evidence locker.


I am not in favor of corruption, especially among our police forces, however, I must congratulate them and wish them good luck in their pilfering of the melt down pile for other reasons...
 
2012-08-19 11:41:10 AM  
FTA--a caption reads this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Uh, no, you incredibly poorly misinformed reporter.
 
2012-08-19 11:45:48 AM  

craigdamage: Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.


sadly, what you two said.
 
2012-08-19 11:45:59 AM  

SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.


I see you beat me to it. Good job.
 
2012-08-19 11:50:27 AM  

chairborne: fluffy2097: killiemary: Good idea! That way when some crackhead kicks in my door to steal stuff & possibly kill me, I'll have my handy dandy disabled firearm to protect me.

You shouldn't be using a historical piece to protect your home, so while you are on the right side of the argument, you make no decent point.

A WWII GI Issue 1911 handgun is very much a historical piece, it's also more than capable of being used in home defense. A well cared for firearm using the proper ammunition lasts a hell of a long time.


I shot an IDPA match a few months back. One of the participants was an old veteran shooting the 1911 he carried during the Korea War. I can't imagine how many rounds he's put through that over the years.
 
2012-08-19 11:54:37 AM  

seancakes: So the people in the article were trying to be straw buyers right in front of the cops. Brilliant.


Only if they were specifically buying for someone who isn't legally allowed to buy, him/herself. One can buy guns for friends (as long as you don't sell them to them), if they're legal to buy.
 
2012-08-19 12:00:05 PM  

Basily Gourt:

gunbroker.com pretty much killed off the better gun shows. Just like ebay killed off most good flea markets.


Not for me. Guns are one of those things I like to examine before buying. Shipping a gun and returning a defective gun is much more complicated than returning a defective toaster you bought on Amazon.

Then again, I'm not a collector so I'm not in the market for unusual or rare items. I can see gunbroker's usefulness for that market.
 
2012-08-19 12:03:47 PM  

Pincy: "Other buyers said they purchased guns on a principle -- to prevent the firearms from going out of circulation"

What exactly is that principle again? Is everyone required to own a firearm now?


In Kennesaw, Georgia you are.

Link
 
2012-08-19 12:07:47 PM  

RickN99: Basily Gourt:

gunbroker.com pretty much killed off the better gun shows. Just like ebay killed off most good flea markets.

Not for me. Guns are one of those things I like to examine before buying. Shipping a gun and returning a defective gun is much more complicated than returning a defective toaster you bought on Amazon.

Then again, I'm not a collector so I'm not in the market for unusual or rare items. I can see gunbroker's usefulness for that market.


Yep, I like to see it first too. But if you live out in the boonies, sometimes it is your only option.

And before the screaming starts, all transactions on gunbroker.com have to be conducted between 2 FFL licensees. So you have to go through your local gunshop anyway.
 
2012-08-19 12:11:34 PM  

BolloxReader: I'm fine with gun buy-backs. It gives people who don't have an interest in having a gun but somehow found themselves in possession of one, a marketed opportunity to legally get rid of it. If they are a moral crusader who wants to "remove it" entirely, they can leave knowing that they contributed somehow to a "good cause" (however pointless, in the face of reality).

I'm also OK with others bidding on the guns, because they DO have value (though the worth of that value may be debateable in some circles). Just going by odds, most firearms are not going to be significant, but people disposing of the firearm in this way would not be in a position to judge that accurately. To them, the gun is worth $75, even though a collector might pay ten times that amount.

I wouldn't consider this "crashing" the buy back event. If they had marched in and waved posters around protesting the imminent destruction of innocent guns, then I would say they crashed it.

This? This was commerce.

The only part that I had a bad reaction to was the cop saying that the gun buyers weren't going to be handing the guns to "undesireables." WTF is that? What makes one an "undesireable"? Is that code for "people of color"? "Gays"? "Liberals"? "Conservatives"? "Heretics and apostates"? or "People who legally are prohibited from owning a firearm"?


I think "undesirable" is a good term, it covers "prohibited persons", people you know or suspect to be idiots,thugs or wannabes that set off a general feeling of uneasiness. I won't sell a gun to someone who doesn't "feel" right. If you are a Liberal that should make it fine with you, see it has the words "feeling" and "feel" in it.
 
2012-08-19 12:18:44 PM  

hundreddollarman: I don't see anything bad about this. It's the free market doing it's thing and like other Farkers have previously said, only people terrified of guns gaining sentience are turning in weapons. Wouldn't the buyer and seller have to complete some kind of paperwork to legally transfer ownership of the firearm? I can't imagine I can toss out a $100 and have a revolver to add to my gun safe without incurring some kind of red tape.


I guess you don't live in one of the free states. Come to visit sometime and see what that part of liberty feels like.
 
2012-08-19 12:29:31 PM  

SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.


OOOoooh. I just got shivers up my spine from that display on manliness!

RAVISH ME NOW!

\own a couple of guns, never fired em, and no ammo
\\don't have a problem with gun owners, as long as they accept responsibility for what their weapon does
\\\not particularly fond of some of 'em who make a point of swingin'; their wang around 'bout their guns
\\\\like you, for instance
 
2012-08-19 12:31:07 PM  

Basily Gourt: RickN99: Basily Gourt:

gunbroker.com pretty much killed off the better gun shows. Just like ebay killed off most good flea markets.

Not for me. Guns are one of those things I like to examine before buying. Shipping a gun and returning a defective gun is much more complicated than returning a defective toaster you bought on Amazon.

Then again, I'm not a collector so I'm not in the market for unusual or rare items. I can see gunbroker's usefulness for that market.

Yep, I like to see it first too. But if you live out in the boonies, sometimes it is your only option.

And before the screaming starts, all transactions on gunbroker.com have to be conducted between 2 FFL licensees. So you have to go through your local gunshop anyway.


My mom was horrified to find out I bought a gun over the internet, until I explained how the transaction worked. Of course, then she was horrified that I had a gun in the same house as her grandchild, so oh well. I wish it was easier where I live to find private sales. There's about 5 posts a week where I live on Armslist. I'm not a collector, I just want to have a little variety when I go to the range. There's a gun show next weekend, maybe I'll find something there. Even better, maybe there will be a government buy program soon and I can stand in the parking lot.
 
2012-08-19 12:31:24 PM  

badhatharry: one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.

How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?


Hmmmmm.... Sounds like the only racist here is.... you. You seem to be assuming a racial component to street crime. Closet liberal kneejerk racist?
 
2012-08-19 12:39:42 PM  
Gun enthusiasts would rush home to mount their newly bought guns over the mantel. These are gun speculators. In fact, that's too noble a term. They're gun arbitrageurs. They know that for $80, they can get a gun that probably works, and that virtually any gun can be sold for more than that in the next parking lot over (the one filling up with people too paranoid or felonious to buy guns legally).

Oh, sure, some of them go for big bucks on eBay as "collectibles." But most of them are going to become exactly what gun buybacks are supposed to prevent. Now, instead of being locked away unused in someone's home, or melted down, it's going to drive down the price for the next kid who needs something to knock over a convenience store with.

Back in the day, or so we're told, Charlton Heston and the other Noble Fathers of the NRA would have ridden these gun-peddlers out of town on a rail. But for some reason now this is what FREEDOM looks like to them.
 
2012-08-19 12:40:58 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmmm.... Sounds like the only racist here is.... you. You seem to be assuming a racial component to street crime. Closet liberal kneejerk racist?


There usually is a racial component to street crime. Mostly because the gangs themselves are racist. When was the last time you saw a multicultural gang?
 
2012-08-19 12:44:41 PM  

edmo: Don't see a problem with it, especially the collector angle.

But what happens next year when it's gang bangers buying cheap guns instead of these guys?


It means that Junior Achievement has made an impression on a young entrepreneur!
 
2012-08-19 12:56:24 PM  

ex-nuke: BolloxReader: I'm fine with gun buy-backs. It gives people who don't have an interest in having a gun but somehow found themselves in possession of one, a marketed opportunity to legally get rid of it. If they are a moral crusader who wants to "remove it" entirely, they can leave knowing that they contributed somehow to a "good cause" (however pointless, in the face of reality).

I'm also OK with others bidding on the guns, because they DO have value (though the worth of that value may be debateable in some circles). Just going by odds, most firearms are not going to be significant, but people disposing of the firearm in this way would not be in a position to judge that accurately. To them, the gun is worth $75, even though a collector might pay ten times that amount.

I wouldn't consider this "crashing" the buy back event. If they had marched in and waved posters around protesting the imminent destruction of innocent guns, then I would say they crashed it.

This? This was commerce.

The only part that I had a bad reaction to was the cop saying that the gun buyers weren't going to be handing the guns to "undesireables." WTF is that? What makes one an "undesireable"? Is that code for "people of color"? "Gays"? "Liberals"? "Conservatives"? "Heretics and apostates"? or "People who legally are prohibited from owning a firearm"?

I think "undesirable" is a good term, it covers "prohibited persons", people you know or suspect to be idiots,thugs or wannabes that set off a general feeling of uneasiness. I won't sell a gun to someone who doesn't "feel" right. If you are a Liberal that should make it fine with you, see it has the words "feeling" and "feel" in it.


I tend to run very liberal, but I enjoy my right to being a well-armed liberal, as much as I can (for example, I am prohibited by federal regulations from having a firearm in my commercial vehicle). I am fine with people not selling lethal weapons to people who set off internal alarm bells. I'm fairly certain that there's a regulation that mentions this, just like as a life insurance agent I have an obligation to not sell life insurance to someone who I "feel" is running a scam or laundering money (and in the latter, I am further obligated to report it under the PATRIOT Act).

I still object to the term "undesireable" because, well, it's a term that makes it sounds like a family of coloUr just moved into the neighborhood. But then I'm from Indiana, not Oregon. Maybe they use words differently out there or maybe this term is jargon used in the industry.

My personal weapons were gifts from a retired Ranger who works for my wife. He makes sure I know how to use 'em and that I keep my skills up, but I don't go to gun shows or even gun shops unless I'm buying ammo or oil or something. And then I have him come with me because he doesn't get out much and he gets a kick out of helping me with this stuff. Gun culture remains pretty obscure to me, which doesn't trouble me at all. I just like knowing how to handle the things safely since they are all over the damned place. And if I have to handle one safely, I might as well know how to handle one well enough to be useful with it.

I really wish they'd offer classes at school. I wonder how many schools still have rifle teams?
 
2012-08-19 01:12:40 PM  

edmo: But what happens next year when it's gang bangers buying cheap guns instead of these guys?


Who do you think these guys are selling these guns to now? Oh, no, I forgot... every single random gun ever made is a "collectible," worth thousands on eBay. ESPECIALLY the ones people are turning in for gift cards.

They'll sell them at a small per-gun profit to gang members, militia types, bullied fourteen-year-olds, and anyone else who thinks he needs an unregistered gun to fire exactly once. That's their place on the gun food chain. Nice to see so many upstanding citizens defending their freedoms and liberties.
 
2012-08-19 01:13:43 PM  

fluffy2097: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Hmmmmm.... Sounds like the only racist here is.... you. You seem to be assuming a racial component to street crime. Closet liberal kneejerk racist?

There usually is a racial component to street crime. Mostly because the gangs themselves are racist. When was the last time you saw a multicultural gang?


So.... all street crime is now due to gangs? When did they unionize?

Also, there are several examples of multiracial gangs. Here for example.
 
2012-08-19 01:20:57 PM  

CheapEngineer: SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.

OOOoooh. I just got shivers up my spine from that display on manliness!

RAVISH ME NOW!

\own a couple of guns, never fired em, and no ammo
\\don't have a problem with gun owners, as long as they accept responsibility for what their weapon does
\\\not particularly fond of some of 'em who make a point of swingin'; their wang around 'bout their guns
\\\\like you, for instance


????

I didn't see any wang swinging in my post, and certainly not about my guns. I didn't even mention whether or not I had guns. I simply pointed out an inaccuracy in the photo caption that could've been easily avoided. I would think that as a fellow engineer you also would appreciate accuracy. Are you not aggravated by errors and misstatements by media in areas that you have knowledge of?
 
2012-08-19 01:24:44 PM  
....Are you not aggravated by errors and misstatements by media in areas that you have knowledge of?

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-08-19 01:24:52 PM  

CarnySaur: I don't know any gay people, and I'm not gay.


lol

Be REAL careful what you say.
 
2012-08-19 01:29:53 PM  

SonOfSpam: CheapEngineer: SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.

OOOoooh. I just got shivers up my spine from that display on manliness!

RAVISH ME NOW!

\own a couple of guns, never fired em, and no ammo
\\don't have a problem with gun owners, as long as they accept responsibility for what their weapon does
\\\not particularly fond of some of 'em who make a point of swingin'; their wang around 'bout their guns
\\\\like you, for instance

????

I didn't see any wang swinging in my post, and certainly not about my guns. I didn't even mention whether or not I had guns. I simply pointed out an inaccuracy in the photo caption that could've been easily avoided. I would think that as a fellow engineer you also would appreciate accuracy. Are you not aggravated by errors and misstatements by media in areas that you have knowledge of?


How many people *on Fark* think a Colt Python is for killing snakes?

\i know a few things too, but not much about guns
\\but I actually correctly assumed that it wasn't for killing snakes
\\\that was the bit of info that skipped past "facts" and into "snark/punch in the groin" territory
 
2012-08-19 01:31:56 PM  
Don't be afraid of guns.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6CBKUM9gk8&feature=related
 
2012-08-19 01:43:18 PM  
One last thing

This is a little ditty I like to send out to all my anti-gun friends.

"I like guns"

Link
 
2012-08-19 01:47:56 PM  

spunkymunky: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: To all the people with the "straw purchase" answer: thank you.
Okay, so let's forget the friend. If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Craigslist TOS prohibits selling of firearms. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen as I see them posted frequently but they do get flagged for removal. Still kicking myself for not calling a guy about a muzzleloader on there last week. Legally speaking, a muzzleloader is not a firearm and in most states felons are allowed to own them for hunting.


For real? I never knew that. Why the exception for muzzleloaders? Does it have to do with the time needed to reload them? That they don't take modern rounds? Huh.
 
2012-08-19 02:01:57 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.


Quit hanging out with insane racist assholes?
 
2012-08-19 02:03:15 PM  

badhatharry: ManicParroT: ZzeusS: Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.

Why on earth shouldn't people destroy their own property? If someone wants to destroy grandad's old shotgun instead of keeping it or selling it, that's their choice.

Seriously, I don't understand everyone moaning about this. Let other people make their own choices about their own property.

Nobody sane is suggesting that gun buybacks should be made illegal.




The program itself is OK. I just don't like seeing uninformed idiots destroying history due to their own ignorance and fear.

My grandmother has rotting bibles signed by our ancestors dating back to the 1700's. Should I throw them away because I'm not religious?
 
2012-08-19 02:06:15 PM  
We did this about a year ago when the sheriff's dept. was offering $100 gift cards to Wal-Mart for any working firearm turned in. I'm not a gun guy and I've never bought a gun or anything, but there were a couple rifles I had in a storage unit that my uncle left me. One was an old bolt action hunting-style rifle that my uncle claimed was from WW1 but I doubt it. Another was some old cowboy looking gun, the kind you cock with the trigger area. Anyway, traded both of those bad boys in, and bought the new Call of Duty AND a case of Miller Light with the gift card. Score!
 
2012-08-19 02:17:52 PM  

jso2897: SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.

Well,maybe not - but i always use a snub-nose when I'm hunting Irishmen.


So did the guy who shot Gandhi use a Peacemaker?
 
2012-08-19 02:18:47 PM  

buckler: spunkymunky: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: To all the people with the "straw purchase" answer: thank you.
Okay, so let's forget the friend. If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Craigslist TOS prohibits selling of firearms. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen as I see them posted frequently but they do get flagged for removal. Still kicking myself for not calling a guy about a muzzleloader on there last week. Legally speaking, a muzzleloader is not a firearm and in most states felons are allowed to own them for hunting.

For real? I never knew that. Why the exception for muzzleloaders? Does it have to do with the time needed to reload them? That they don't take modern rounds? Huh.


Reload time, primarily. But don't quote me on that. Not exactly a fast or easy to use items.
 
2012-08-19 03:03:15 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: If someone legally owns a gun and they want to sell it on Craig's List, are they at all obligated to make an effort not to sell a gun to the whacked out felon in my previous post?

Yes, but not a very extensive one. When making a private sale, the seller is obliged to ensure themselves that the person purchasing the gun is not a prohibited person. Normally, this just takes the form of asking the person. Many people I know, myself included, that sell firearms from their collections require the buyer to sign a form declaring they aren't prohibited. A CYA measure in case they lie. Usually, the same form declares that the buyer assures that the firearm isn't stolen etc. Protection for both sides of the transaction. If someone doesn't want to sign the form, I won't sell to them.


Also, in many states, the BG check process is free to call in for private sales. I would do this as well as a buyer to check and make sure I'm not receiving stolen goods.

I don't understand why some people imagine buying and selling firearms privately is some fly by night hoodrat illegal operation. Criminals are called criminals because they break and don't follow the law. Good and honest people however go through all the silly hoops and make sure they follow the law. Just as these gun buyers did.

I would have been there myself but I had to work yesterday. :(
 
2012-08-19 03:06:18 PM  

ronaprhys: That actually sounds like a good idea. I might be able to get something decent for well under market value that way.


Bingo. Some people see a chance to get unwanted guns out of circulation. Others see a chance to make a quick buck.
 
2012-08-19 03:07:04 PM  
As someone who owns a short magazine lee enfield from 1912, this article made me sick. It's just like cash for clunkers; a PR scheme based around destroying valuable tools.
 
2012-08-19 03:17:11 PM  

stevarooni: nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?

For one thing, that would be altering a historical artifact. Might be good if you're changing a piece for museum display where you're allowing the public to touch it, but otherwise you're changing what could be a historical artifact; generally a bad idea that distorts the historicity of it.

For another, beyond being a historical artifact, old guns can have value as antiques. Not as inflated in worth as to presume it should be studied by scholars, but instead just an old piece of history that someone might to add to their collections.



Wow! You just live and breathe and worship guns don't you? Maybe one day you'll grow up and marry one.
 
2012-08-19 03:25:36 PM  
As long as it's old white people buying these on the line, the cops are totes ok with it.
 
2012-08-19 03:50:00 PM  

one0nine: I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events


farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-08-19 03:57:53 PM  

jmr61: Wow! You just live and breathe and worship guns don't you? Maybe one day you'll grow up and marry one.


In fact...no. But to equate anyone liking guns with obsession to the degree you suggest is kind of juvenile.
 
2012-08-19 04:17:19 PM  
Why don't the Fark Gun Nuts endorse this plan? Won't it be easier to kill people you've decided need to die if they can't shoot back? The fewer guns everyone else has raises your odds of survival, not to mention the value of your gun collection.
 
2012-08-19 04:21:24 PM  

Rich Cream: Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.


I'm pretty sure quick searches on serial numbers are done on these weapons so as to determine whether they've been stolen or identifiable in a crime.

However, I also highly doubt cops are keeping any guns from these events. But I'm sure you have evidence that proves that wrong, don't you?
 
2012-08-19 04:33:04 PM  

Basily Gourt: Birds of a feather. You're an idiot. Stands to reason anybody who would want to associate with you would be an idiot too.


What he said was absolutely true in most parts of the country. Of course, if you could read English and understand the subtleties contained therein, you'd realize that he wasn't saying "all gun owners are racist idiots."

Most people who identify themselves in the terms he described are often members of the NRA who repeat the same tired talking points that are almost made up out of thin air. The NRA is the Fox News of gun rights organizations in more ways than one.

Most people who are gun enthusiasts don't even realize that gun manufacturing in the US is being monopolized under the blanket of something not much different than Bain Capital, yet for some reason they're more up in arms about Obama "taking away gun rights" than the very real possibility that gun manufacturers "won't be profitable enough" in 20 years so they will either be shipped overseas or scrapped entirely. They scream "OH NO THEY'RE COMING FOR OUR GUNS" every time there's a mass shooting.

My family and friends are gun owners and shooters. Most of us are reasonable about our weapons, like myself and my father. My brother, on the other hand, repeats the same NRA lines every five minutes, and one of my friends repeats the same shiat he hears 24/7 on Fox News. Oddly enough, they're very similar lines...
 
2012-08-19 04:37:35 PM  
And I say all of that knowing that the organization is NOT my grandfather's NRA (or even my young father's NRA).

When the linguistics of the gun argument shifts from protection to projection, sanity has been lost somewhere along the line.
 
2012-08-19 04:44:24 PM  
Brandon Raub
 
2012-08-19 05:14:16 PM  

CheapEngineer: SonOfSpam: CheapEngineer: SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.

OOOoooh. I just got shivers up my spine from that display on manliness!

RAVISH ME NOW!

\own a couple of guns, never fired em, and no ammo
\\don't have a problem with gun owners, as long as they accept responsibility for what their weapon does
\\\not particularly fond of some of 'em who make a point of swingin'; their wang around 'bout their guns
\\\\like you, for instance

????

I didn't see any wang swinging in my post, and certainly not about my guns. I didn't even mention whether or not I had guns. I simply pointed out an inaccuracy in the photo caption that could've been easily avoided. I would think that as a fellow engineer you also would appreciate accuracy. Are you not aggravated by errors and misstatements by media in areas that you have knowledge of?

How many people *on Fark* think a Colt Python is for killing snakes?

\i know a few things too, but not much about guns
\\but I actually correctly assumed that it wasn't for killing snakes
\\\that was the bit of info that skipped past "facts" and into "snark/punch in the groin" territory


You are completely to this conversation and Sonofspam has only been reasonably and tried to communicate with you in a very mature manner.

He made a simple observation about accuracy that I was glad for because I would have had no idea that the information given was incorrect and then gave a simple quip at the end. Hell I didn't even understand it because I didn't know Python was a gun as well.

You make it sound like he was trying to belittle a pretend audience or something I guess(your source of angry is confusing) but that wasn't the case.

Then you attack him.

How does that look reasonable to you?

This type of behavior always aggravates me.
 
2012-08-19 05:33:42 PM  

puffy999: Basily Gourt: Birds of a feather. You're an idiot. Stands to reason anybody who would want to associate with you would be an idiot too.

What he said was absolutely true in most parts of the country. Of course, if you could read English and understand the subtleties contained therein, you'd realize that he wasn't saying "all gun owners are racist idiots."

Most people who identify themselves in the terms he described are often members of the NRA who repeat the same tired talking points that are almost made up out of thin air. The NRA is the Fox News of gun rights organizations in more ways than one.

Most people who are gun enthusiasts don't even realize that gun manufacturing in the US is being monopolized under the blanket of something not much different than Bain Capital, yet for some reason they're more up in arms about Obama "taking away gun rights" than the very real possibility that gun manufacturers "won't be profitable enough" in 20 years so they will either be shipped overseas or scrapped entirely. They scream "OH NO THEY'RE COMING FOR OUR GUNS" every time there's a mass shooting.

My family and friends are gun owners and shooters. Most of us are reasonable about our weapons, like myself and my father. My brother, on the other hand, repeats the same NRA lines every five minutes, and one of my friends repeats the same shiat he hears 24/7 on Fox News. Oddly enough, they're very similar lines...


I promised myself I would refrain from responding to smug assholes like you, but what the hey. 

I understood exactly what he was saying, and responded accordingly. Perhaps you should reread my response to him.

As for the rest of your derp filled screed, I just don't have the patience anymore for people like you. You actually inserted fox news & bain capital into your response? Really?

"Reasonable"? Good try, but that has been the word that gun-control advocates have been rallying around for decades. As soon as I saw that, I knew where you were coming from. 

Nice effort, though. But you're trying too hard. You don't need to go to all that trouble.
 
2012-08-19 06:24:14 PM  
This thread makes me want to melt down a musket from the Revolutionary War. Just to watch gun nuts flip their lids. I want gun nut lids to do an acrobatic f*cking pirouette.
 
2012-08-19 06:36:10 PM  

CheapEngineer: SonOfSpam: [media.oregonlive.com image 380x285]

Bruce Cook, among buyers standing on the periphery of a firearms "turn in" at Memorial Coliseum, purchased this wood-handled Colt revolver for $100. The barrel script shows it was once police gun.

Really? I guess when they send someone out to cover a story, they must ask around and say, "Do you know anything about _____?" And they send the person who is most ignorant on the subject. At least he didn't call it a Glock.

For the benefit of you Farkers who are also ignorant, "Official Police" is the model name for this Colt. Has nothing to do with whether it was issued to a police department. Likewise, a Python is not necessarily used for hunting big snakes.

OOOoooh. I just got shivers up my spine from that display on manliness!

RAVISH ME NOW!

\own a couple of guns, never fired em, and no ammo
\\don't have a problem with gun owners, as long as they accept responsibility for what their weapon does
\\\not particularly fond of some of 'em who make a point of swingin'; their wang around 'bout their guns
\\\\like you, for instance


You should be a lot more concerned about journalists making egregious errors
 
2012-08-19 06:49:38 PM  

this is Oregon, not Oakland. land of wide open places and cattle ranches. In the rural west, everyone owns a gun and knows how to use it. It is not unusual for families to pass down their antique six shooters to the younger generation. You assume to much. Apart from a few places in Portland, there is nowhere in the state where people would "pimp" their guns.


LOL someone completely missed the point of that meme....
 
2012-08-19 06:54:39 PM  

randomjsa: They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.


ZzeusS: Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.


Usually not many. Most of the stuff turned in at these things are either non firing, dangerous to fire, or pellet guns. There was another story a few months a back about the local gun nuts gathering up all the rusty old pieces of junk they could find and trading them in for money to buy ammo for their youth shooting program.
 
2012-08-19 06:56:06 PM  

Johnny Bananapeel: one0nine: I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events

[farm8.staticflickr.com image 480x268]


Not sure if mailbox or grill....

ex-nuke: I think "undesirable" is a good term, it covers "prohibited persons", people you know or suspect to be idiots,thugs or wannabes that set off a general feeling of uneasiness. I won't sell a gun to someone who doesn't "feel" right. If you are a Liberal that should make it fine with you, see it has the words "feeling" and "feel" in it.


When your cable's on the fritz, you get frustrated. When you get frustrated, your daughter imitates. When your daughter imitates, she gets thrown out of school. When she gets thrown out of school, she meets undesirables. When she meets undesirables, you sell guns to undesirables. Don't sell guns to undesirables. Get rid of cable and upgrade to DirecTV.
 
2012-08-19 07:06:03 PM  

MasterPython: randomjsa: They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.

ZzeusS: Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.

Usually not many. Most of the stuff turned in at these things are either non firing, dangerous to fire, or pellet guns. There was another story a few months a back about the local gun nuts gathering up all the rusty old pieces of junk they could find and trading them in for money to buy ammo for their youth shooting program.


The thing that gets me is that the program isn't getting the most problematic weapons. The cops admit that the gangs are not turning in their rent guns, and what does come in is mostly junk interspersed by a few well meaning citizens. People who should have gone to a gun or pawn shop to get fair value for their weapons.
...and yet time and again good money is thrown in a useless direction.

They should have run the buy out through a store for what it costs them to do this. They'd have at least made some money on the good stuff.
 
2012-08-19 07:11:19 PM  

Saborlas: This thread makes me want to melt down burn a musket painting from the Revolutionary War renaissance period. Just to watch gun nuts art snobs flip their lids. I want gun nut art snobs lids to do an acrobatic f*cking pirouette.


yea, I'm sure that would show them.
That would show them all...
 
2012-08-19 07:18:28 PM  

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill JUST because some pussy has decided that they are scared of the big bad bogeyman gun?


FTFY
 
2012-08-19 08:00:31 PM  

Funbags: Why don't the Fark Gun Nuts endorse this plan? Won't it be easier to kill people you've decided need to die if they can't shoot back? The fewer guns everyone else has raises your odds of survival, not to mention the value of your gun collection.


Because most of the people you deem "gun nuts" support the right to keep and bear arms for Anyone who is eligible for that right (ie mentally competent, legal adults who haven't been convicted of felonies), for some even regardless of nationality. More guns can often result in fewer criminals attacking people directly (see US home invasions when the residents are at home vs. British stats for the same crime). This is something that other people owning guns helps with. In terms of collection value...that's true, but kind of silly.
 
2012-08-19 08:03:13 PM  
dmars:

You are completely to this conversation and Sonofspam has only been reasonably and tried to communicate with you in a very mature manner.

He made a simple observation about accuracy that I was glad for because I would have had no idea that the information given was incorrect and then gave a simple quip at the end. Hell I didn't even understand it because I didn't know Python was a gun as well.

You make it sound like he was trying to belittle a pretend audience or something I guess(your source of angry is confusing) but that wasn't the case.

Then you attack him.

How does that look reasonable to you?

This type of behavior always aggravates me.

Gee. His Boobies struck me as douchey and condescending (in a Fark gun thread no less). So he replies, says he's *not* being a douche, and then chastises me for even thinking so (in a Fark Gun thread). My reply was "okay, here's what set off my snark alarm". That exchange is the Worst Of Public Discourse to you?

(shrug)

I don't want to be accused of attacking someone again, but what did the fark editor miss here? I is confused.

You are completely to this conversation
 
2012-08-19 08:06:32 PM  

ArmagedDan: Have you been to any gun shows? If so, and if you still feel that way, maybe gun shows in my state (PA) are different than yours.


I've been to the Nation's Gun Show in Dulles, VA, just a few miles up the road from NRA HQ in Fairfax, and let me tell you: It's waist-deep in derp. All manner of Obama-hate, including T-shirts that are borderline threatening-the-POTUS, survivalist gear that suggests you be ready, not for hurricanes and blizzards, but when The Law comes to take yer gunz. Oh yeah, it's real derpy.
 
2012-08-19 08:13:13 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: ArmagedDan: Have you been to any gun shows? If so, and if you still feel that way, maybe gun shows in my state (PA) are different than yours.

I've been to the Nation's Gun Show in Dulles, VA, just a few miles up the road from NRA HQ in Fairfax, and let me tell you: It's waist-deep in derp. All manner of Obama-hate, including T-shirts that are borderline threatening-the-POTUS, survivalist gear that suggests you be ready, not for hurricanes and blizzards, but when The Law comes to take yer gunz. Oh yeah, it's real derpy.


Go to the same show when a Republican is in office and you see the same thing. The crazies will be crazy no matter who runs the white house.
 
2012-08-19 09:18:52 PM  
Seeing as these are law abiding citizens, we're just as safe as if the cops got the guns.
 
2012-08-19 09:32:41 PM  

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


No, it is against the law to buy a firearm for someone who you know is not legally allowed to own one.
 
2012-08-19 09:44:56 PM  
Read the comments to see if the simple-minded Obamaminions cried Racism.


Was not disappointed. When in doubt, its racist.
 
2012-08-19 09:46:39 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: I've been to the Nation's Gun Show in Dulles, VA, just a few miles up the road from NRA HQ in Fairfax, and let me tell you: It's waist-deep in derp.


There are definitely different qualities for different gun shows. Some are, as you found, derpy and full of paranoid gun nuts...or, more accurately, nuts who also like guns. Most that I've seen, though, are full of stalls operated by gun dealers, accessory sellers, and (a minority) people wanting to show off/trade their collections.
 
2012-08-19 09:59:11 PM  

BGates:

Go to the same show when a Republican is in office and you see the same thing. The crazies will be crazy no matter who runs the white house.


I thought everyone knew the rule of averages at gunshows. Only 50% of the tables will be actual firearms related. At least one table will be selling "native American" crafts. At least one table will be T-shirts with pets on them. Two will be beef jerky or roasted nuts. One table will be the gold/silver coin guy. One will be white supremacists/nazi stuff. And over in a corner will be the guy with the pile of rusted bayonets.
 
2012-08-19 10:11:24 PM  

fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.


How about we round up one or two of each kind of gun and maybe a couple dozen other ones with historical significance and melt down all the other ones? That couldn't leave more than a few hundred of 'em, safely tucked behind museum display cases.
 
2012-08-19 10:22:37 PM  

CheapEngineer: dmars:

You are completely to this conversation and Sonofspam has only been reasonably and tried to communicate with you in a very mature manner.

He made a simple observation about accuracy that I was glad for because I would have had no idea that the information given was incorrect and then gave a simple quip at the end. Hell I didn't even understand it because I didn't know Python was a gun as well.

You make it sound like he was trying to belittle a pretend audience or something I guess(your source of angry is confusing) but that wasn't the case.

Then you attack him.

How does that look reasonable to you?

This type of behavior always aggravates me.

Gee. His Boobies struck me as douchey and condescending (in a Fark gun thread no less). So he replies, says he's *not* being a douche, and then chastises me for even thinking so (in a Fark Gun thread). My reply was "okay, here's what set off my snark alarm". That exchange is the Worst Of Public Discourse to you?

(shrug)

I don't want to be accused of attacking someone again, but what did the fark editor miss here? I is confused.

You are completely to this conversation


I meant to take out "completely" as I felt it was an unnecessary word in the sentence and now for the life of me I can't remember what word I accidentally deleted instead that would make that sentence make sense. Oh well.

I think perhaps there may be just simple confusion here.

In the picture with the gun that has Official Police printed on it. The writer/editor wrongly thought it meant it was police property and wrongly said that it used to be police property in the caption.

Sonofspam pointed out that it was in fact just the name of the model, something I wouldn't have know myself, and felt that it was bad journalism to not do any research on the matter and just make an assumption and present it as fact like they did. That is what the editor missed and the point I think he was trying to make.
 
2012-08-19 10:33:59 PM  

tillerman35: How about we round up one or two of each kind of gun and maybe a couple dozen other ones with historical significance and melt down all the other ones?


How about no? I say that we make murder illegal, and prosecute it.
 
2012-08-19 10:38:14 PM  

Basily Gourt: Captain_Ballbeard: Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

Birds of a feather. You're an idiot. Stands to reason anybody who would want to associate with you would be an idiot too.


The beautiful thing is that he calls them "hoodrats" first. *sighs* People often seem to think that they're more intelligent and/or better people than they really are.
 
2012-08-19 10:53:24 PM  

tillerman35: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

How about we round up one or two of each kind of gun and maybe a couple dozen other ones with historical significance and melt down all the other ones? That couldn't leave more than a few hundred of 'em, safely tucked behind museum display cases.


I dunno...

How about you not get your knickers into a knot about an inanimate object that is highly unlikely to be used in either a crime or an accident and keep your grubby little fears off of the rights of the people?

That seems like a much better choice and one that is far less cowardly. You're not even smart enough to USE many of these, you don't have to worry so long as you keep your booger pickers off other people's property, so clean up your puddle of urine and wash behind your ears because the other children are laughing at you.
 
2012-08-19 11:44:06 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: We did this about a year ago when the sheriff's dept. was offering $100 gift cards to Wal-Mart for any working firearm turned in. I'm not a gun guy and I've never bought a gun or anything, but there were a couple rifles I had in a storage unit that my uncle left me. One was an old bolt action hunting-style rifle that my uncle claimed was from WW1 but I doubt it. Another was some old cowboy looking gun, the kind you cock with the trigger area. Anyway, traded both of those bad boys in, and bought the new Call of Duty AND a case of Miller Light with the gift card. Score!


Well played sir....
 
2012-08-19 11:47:16 PM  

ZzeusS: Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.


Maybe some. Maybe none. You weren't there to make a judgement. So no shame.
 
2012-08-19 11:51:48 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: As another astute poster mentioned, this is like cash for clunkers where thousands of dollars worth of collector pieces are scrapped. These are feel good programs that make anyone who isn't laughably stupid feel like chocking these fools.


Until I see [citationneeded.jpg] on this I'm going to go with it is just junk people want to rid of and see a way to get paid for it.
 
2012-08-20 12:10:07 AM  

UnspokenVoice: tillerman35: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

How about we round up one or two of each kind of gun and maybe a couple dozen other ones with historical significance and melt down all the other ones? That couldn't leave more than a few hundred of 'em, safely tucked behind museum display cases.

I dunno...

How about you not get your knickers into a knot about an inanimate object that is highly unlikely to be used in either a crime or an accident and keep your grubby little fears off of the rights of the people?

That seems like a much better choice and one that is far less cowardly. You're not even smart enough to USE many of these, you don't have to worry so long as you keep your booger pickers off other people's property, so clean up your puddle of urine and wash behind your ears because the other children are laughing at you.


Well, I could see how many folks would argue that a commission out of West Point and ten years in the Army might make me a teeny bit under-qualified to use certain weapons. I mean, I was pretty decent with them 105mm smooth-bore howitzers they glue on M1 tanks, Vulcan AA guns, various manpad (shoulder-launched) AA missiles, Chaparral (do we even have those in commission anymore?), M-16 of course, M1 but only because we had to carry that damn thing as cadets, 9mm semi-auto, and hmm, a few grenade launchers, whatever caliber is in Abrams turret, various crew-manned weapons, and sticks- don't forget about the big pointy sticks. But yeah, I'd probably need remedial ed. if you put something complicated like a huntin' rifle in front of me.

And my cousin might disagree just a teeny bit about inanimate objects being highly unlikely to be used in crimes or accidents- but she's kinda busy being dead from the historical artifact that fired the bullet that entered her skull just under the left orbit and turned her brain into pudding, expanding her skull to the size of small watermelon and making her unrecognizable even to her mother. But hey, rest easy- that piece of history is safe in a box in a police evidence locker somewhere.

I spent a quarter of my adult life defending a bunch of ITG idiots' constitutional right to own guns. I figure I've earned my own right to hate 'em.
 
2012-08-20 01:54:13 AM  
me:105mm smooth-bore howitzers, the big-ass cannon they glue on M1 tanks,

FTFM

/Fark needs edit button
//That or bring back the old preview check-box.
 
2012-08-20 04:11:53 AM  

saturn badger: Maybe some. Maybe none. You weren't there to make a judgement. So no shame.


I'm about as anti-gun as any person can get, but even I recognize the legitimate need to have an expert on hand to save an object that might be of historical significance. The same way with bladed weapons too. There's a lot of Japanese swords that were stolen from museums by Americans during the occupation of Japan.
 
2012-08-20 05:47:30 AM  

craigdamage: Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.


Gun shows are a blast for shopping for ammo and hard to find used firearms. They certainly are not the best place to meet well-rounded individuals.
 
2012-08-20 06:52:13 AM  

saturn badger: Until I see [citationneeded.jpg] on this I'm going to go with it is just junk people want to rid of and see a way to get paid for it.


GIS turned up this thread from AR-15.com from a different buy up.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/872868_LAPD_takes_in_over_1700_weapo n s_in_gun_buyback_program__pics_.html

dl.dropbox.com

To the left you'll see two long barreled Artillery Lugers. WW2 versions in good condition can run around three grand.
The Colt 1911 above it is worth maybe three hundred, but if its a WW2 era (and especially if its a singer) it can be worth quite a bit more.
The UZI Galil on the lower right (assuming its the real thing and not a repro) was probably not sold in the US if it was made after 86. They can go for around five grand as an NFA item. The Tec 9's would probably get a bit less, if automatic.
All those little beretta's I'd eye with suspicion. Straw purchasers usually go for the cheap stuff, which is what helped to make Guns like Highpoints notorious and the .25ACP one of the most lethal rounds in the US.

dl.dropbox.com

In the middle front pile I can see an Short Magazine Lee Enfield. A british rifle from WW1. To the right of it, I think that might be a 1903 springfield. Not uncommon guns, but you could get two hundred apiece I'd wager. Great collectibles.
In the left pile is another 1903 and a Russian SKS. In the right pile, I'm not sure but I think that is an AR-18 on top. Might be worth a grand if it is. The Mosin and 870 below it will move fast in any store,
On the rear right blanket I think I see a World war era Webly revolver.

dl.dropbox.com

Those AK's up front look like civilian versions. You should get at least two or three hundred each.
If they are full auto NFA items, probably a few grand each. Not sure.

/Someone with more experience than me could probably weed out the deals.
/I'd imagine that shopping at a police auction would be like going to any yard sale. 70% crap, 20% useful, 10% mislabeled treasure.
 
2012-08-20 08:29:17 AM  

way south: Post of pistol packing perspective


Good post. Thanks.
 
2012-08-20 09:20:15 AM  

way south: saturn badger: Until I see [citationneeded.jpg] on this I'm going to go with it is just junk people want to rid of and see a way to get paid for it.

GIS turned up this thread from AR-15.com from a different buy up.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/872868_LAPD_takes_in_over_1700_weapo n s_in_gun_buyback_program__pics_.html

[dl.dropbox.com image 620x400]

To the left you'll see two long barreled Artillery Lugers. WW2 versions in good condition can run around three grand.
The Colt 1911 above it is worth maybe three hundred, but if its a WW2 era (and especially if its a singer) it can be worth quite a bit more.
The UZI Galil on the lower right (assuming its the real thing and not a repro) was probably not sold in the US if it was made after 86. They can go for around five grand as an NFA item. The Tec 9's would probably get a bit less, if automatic.
All those little beretta's I'd eye with suspicion. Straw purchasers usually go for the cheap stuff, which is what helped to make Guns like Highpoints notorious and the .25ACP one of the most lethal rounds in the US.

[dl.dropbox.com image 610x406]

In the middle front pile I can see an Short Magazine Lee Enfield. A british rifle from WW1. To the right of it, I think that might be a 1903 springfield. Not uncommon guns, but you could get two hundred apiece I'd wager. Great collectibles.
In the left pile is another 1903 and a Russian SKS. In the right pile, I'm not sure but I think that is an AR-18 on top. Might be worth a grand if it is. The Mosin and 870 below it will move fast in any store,
On the rear right blanket I think I see a World war era Webly revolver.

[dl.dropbox.com image 610x406]

Those AK's up front look like civilian versions. You should get at least two or three hundred each.
If they are full auto NFA items, probably a few grand each. Not sure.

/Someone with more experience than me could probably weed out the deals.
/I'd imagine that shopping at a police auction would be like going to any yard sale. ...



The "AK's" in the last picture are post-ban semi-auto Chicom Mak90's and what appears to be an Egyptian Maadi. The thumbhole stock was put in place to make the gun "less scary" to the libs than the same gun with a pistol grip. The rifles with the blond stocks are the Chicoms (Norinco) and were originally $200 or so while they were still being imported. They are some of the most rugged AK variants as they have a thicker receiver and chrome lined barrels. These make excellent hunting rifles and home defense guns. On our ranch we use similar guns for coyotes and wolves that attack our livestock and wild hogs that destroy acres of crops each year. These are no longer importable and getting more and more difficult to find for under $650.
 
2012-08-20 01:43:19 PM  
Cops did one of these here. The local gun club got all the ratty nastiest guns they could find, rusted worthless hunks of metal and turned in >50 of them. We used it to buy some nice new loaner guns for the kids at the range and some other stuff.

I'm ok with these things, sad to see some good guns get sold, but it's nice to sell useless hunks of scrap and make some money out of them.
 
2012-08-20 05:32:48 PM  
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