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(Oregon Live)   It's come to this: A group of gun enthusiasts crash an event where the public is voluntarily turning in their firearms. "One-hundred fifty for the revolver sir. It's not too late"   (oregonlive.com) divider line 181
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2012-08-19 06:03:20 AM
After all, NRA Jesus weeps every time a gun is destroyed.
 
2012-08-19 08:05:36 AM
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2012-08-19 08:09:54 AM
Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.
 
2012-08-19 08:10:30 AM
Then they go right down the street and sell off the .38s to the hoodrats.

I own guns, but it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.
 
2012-08-19 08:15:12 AM
The plan is for gangs to turn in their guns for Fred Meyer gift cards. This is their plan.
 
2012-08-19 08:17:54 AM

one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.


How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?
 
2012-08-19 08:39:56 AM

badhatharry: The plan is for gangs to turn in their guns for Fred Meyer gift cards. This is their plan.


Exactly. Even the police at the event know it is pointless theater.
 
2012-08-19 08:41:05 AM
It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.
 
2012-08-19 08:42:39 AM
Alas, it was too late because the man with the pearl-handled revolver proceeded to turn over the firearm Saturday afternoon in exchange for a $75 Fred Meyer gift card.

Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.
 
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2012-08-19 08:42:55 AM
But all the buyers interviewed had at some awareness of the firearms' true resale value. 

Sounds like evil capitalists if you ask me
 
2012-08-19 08:43:47 AM
They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.
 
2012-08-19 08:46:52 AM
All weapons collected are melted down.

Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.
 
2012-08-19 08:49:35 AM
Hilarious. And the cops were cool with it too.
 
2012-08-19 08:51:50 AM

Plant Rights Activist: Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.


mimg.ugo.com

sees what you did there
 
2012-08-19 08:53:45 AM
I wonder how many of these guns wind up in the private collections of the police.
 
2012-08-19 08:54:52 AM

randomjsa: They're stimulating the economy through the destruction of perfectly serviceable items. Clearly.

Just like cash for clunkers.


Sigh.
 
2012-08-19 08:56:49 AM
The Japanese have their golf religion. We Americans have a gun religion.

/Gun God demands regular feedings.
 
2012-08-19 08:57:47 AM

badhatharry: one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.

How is it "off the street"? Is that this dog whistle racial code I've been hearing about?


Suppose some citizen inherits a pair of prized Purdey shotguns. I'd much rather have them sell to a collector than turn them in for destruction. They certainly would be respected enough to be well cared for. The only fate worse than destruction would be if an idiot gangster sawed off the barrels for his criminal enterprise.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:09 AM
That actually sounds like a good idea. I might be able to get something decent for well under market value that way.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:12 AM
Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:42 AM
In other news, a demonstration of the free market is played out in an Oregon parking lot.
 
2012-08-19 08:59:11 AM

Rich Cream: All weapons collected are melted down.

Yeah, uhhh, how about no? The simple fact that someone could be turning in a stolen item prevents this. Never mind that all police "acquisitions" are sold at police auctions, if they have a sale value, and the chief didn't take a fancy to it.


QFT. It's laughable to think that the cops don't keep guns that strike their fancy. In my area, a decent number of new "consignment" guns always seem to turn up at the local LEO's favorite gun store right after a buyback.
 
2012-08-19 08:59:33 AM
Ha! FTFA: In return for each operable gun, owners received the gift card. (emphasis mine)

So now they're requiring them to be operable guns, eh? I'd heard of several gun "buy-backs" where people would bring their crappy, non-functional guns in, get $200, and buy a nifty new $150 pistol down the street.
 
2012-08-19 09:02:21 AM
FTA Julee recounted the five instances in her own life where family tragedy was linked to gun violence, including her mother's suicide with a family hunting rifle. Julee was 26 at the time.

"So basically I do this in honor of her," she said.


Way to blame the guns, its not like she could of offed herself 1000 other ways if needed.
 
2012-08-19 09:04:57 AM
Something....something......no background check required?....something.
 
2012-08-19 09:05:52 AM

NickelP: FTA Julee recounted the five instances in her own life where family tragedy was linked to gun violence, including her mother's suicide with a family hunting rifle. Julee was 26 at the time.

"So basically I do this in honor of her," she said.

Way to blame the guns, its not like she could of offed herself 1000 other ways if needed.


Not to mention when Mom shot herself with a hunting rifle I am sure the exact message she was trying to give was that she clearly wished her daughter would devote her life to removing as many guns as possible from the population.
 
2012-08-19 09:06:22 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.


Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....
 
2012-08-19 09:06:28 AM

fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.


Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?
 
2012-08-19 09:09:16 AM
Saturday's collection was deemed a success as 244 firearms were collected along with a crossbow. All weapons collected are melted down.


Actually got a little sick to my stomach on that one.

How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.
 
2012-08-19 09:10:35 AM

Skunkarific: Hilarious. And the cops were cool with it too.


As noted in TFA, the police were cool with it because everything was legal. I don't understand why it's hilarious that the police are OK with law-abiding people doing legal things.
 
2012-08-19 09:10:45 AM

nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


For one thing, that would be altering a historical artifact. Might be good if you're changing a piece for museum display where you're allowing the public to touch it, but otherwise you're changing what could be a historical artifact; generally a bad idea that distorts the historicity of it.

For another, beyond being a historical artifact, old guns can have value as antiques. Not as inflated in worth as to presume it should be studied by scholars, but instead just an old piece of history that someone might to add to their collections.
 
2012-08-19 09:11:39 AM

craigdamage: Captain_Ballbeard it is becoming less and less frequent that I meet or know anybody who identifies as a gun enthusiast who is not a completely insane racist asshole. Sorry.

true

I own and carry. Love guns. Despise "gun culture"
Gun shows are the worst. One giant derp-fest. NRA is much to blame.


Have you been to any gun shows? If so, and if you still feel that way, maybe gun shows in my state (PA) are different than yours.

The NRA is whacking nutters on the back of the head and saying "stop spouting Red Dawn fantasies because fish and wildlife services are buying ammo, that's perfectly normal, dumbass". Most of the people I meet at gun shows are levelheaded hunters, collectors and merchants. I'm just not seeing all this derp people are talking about.
 
2012-08-19 09:12:20 AM

stevarooni: Ha! FTFA: In return for each operable gun, owners received the gift card. (emphasis mine)

So now they're requiring them to be operable guns, eh? I'd heard of several gun "buy-backs" where people would bring their crappy, non-functional guns in, get $200, and buy a nifty new $150 pistol down the street.


So they test fire em before they melt em?

As another astute poster mentioned, this is like cash for clunkers where thousands of dollars worth of collector pieces are scrapped. These are feel good programs that make anyone who isn't laughably stupid feel like chocking these fools.
 
2012-08-19 09:12:33 AM

nmbottlecap: Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


For the same reason you don't seize the engine of a classic muscle car so people won't put miles on it.

It's worthless if the damn thing doesn't function.
 
2012-08-19 09:13:30 AM
 
2012-08-19 09:14:35 AM

ZzeusS: How many collectors items and pure history is being destroyed, here? Quite a shame.


Probably very little. As other posters have pointed out, the real nice guns will go missing from the evidence locker.
 
2012-08-19 09:15:38 AM

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Yes, that's it, fark the gun up so it's worthless.Most very old rifles are a biatch to feed anyway. And I highly doubt somebody is going to use a 1871 Mauser in a crime. Or a Lee-Enfield.

I agree with the folk above me: love guns but the gun culture makes me cringe every time I hit the show.

The women's logic about her mother's suicide is borked. If somebody I loved died because of a tragic bicycle accident I would dedicate my life to getting all those,evil machines off the streets.
 
2012-08-19 09:15:52 AM

nmbottlecap: fluffy2097: It's a goddamn waste to destroy a gun worth thousands of dollars because someone offered you $75.

Guns are not just weapons, they can be pieces of history. We shouldn't be melting down historical artifacts.

The random guns that aren't historical, If someone wants to throw away money, that's their choice to make a terrible trade.

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


Good idea! That way when some crackhead kicks in my door to steal stuff & possibly kill me, I'll have my handy dandy disabled firearm to protect me.
 
2012-08-19 09:16:44 AM
Don't see a problem with it, especially the collector angle.

But what happens next year when it's gang bangers buying cheap guns instead of these guys?
 
2012-08-19 09:17:17 AM

Plant Rights Activist: Alas, it was too late because the man with the pearl-handled revolver proceeded to turn over the firearm Saturday afternoon in exchange for a $75 Fred Meyer gift card.

Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.


this is Oregon, not Oakland. land of wide open places and cattle ranches. In the rural west, everyone owns a gun and knows how to use it. It is not unusual for families to pass down their antique six shooters to the younger generation. You assume to much. Apart from a few places in Portland, there is nowhere in the state where people would "pimp" their guns.
 
2012-08-19 09:17:35 AM

one0nine: Actually, I'm completely ok with this. I've heard of some pretty incredible stuff being turned in during these events, and the cops HAVE to destroy them, no matter how rare the piece. Let the collectors offer a fair price, which benefits both parties, and also serves the police's need to have them off the street... it's a win all around.


Except with the cops "forget" to destroy the guns and they end up back on the street through being stolen, "lost", or sold.

/these events do nothing to remove guns off the street or improve safety - its PR
 
2012-08-19 09:18:02 AM

stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....


Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?
 
2012-08-19 09:20:19 AM
Anyway, if I had the disposable income and a turn-in was happening nearby, I'd do this exact thing.

You've got deluded politicians urging citizens to destroy their property in an action that will never result in the supposed good they're claiming. You've got deluded citizens turning in grampa's old shotgun for a tenth of its value. You've got cops waiting to pilfer their favorites and destroy the rest, regardless of value.

Way I see it, the guys turning up to buy the guns are the only ones thinking straight.
 
2012-08-19 09:20:33 AM

dickfreckle: Plant Rights Activist: Only a pimp from a cheap New Orleans whorehouse would carry a pearl-handled pistol.

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sees what you did there


Damnit.

I'm.posting it anyway.

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2012-08-19 09:20:52 AM

nmbottlecap:

Guns may, after a long period of time be historical artifacts, that said, if you keep a gun for its historical value why not have it disabled so it can't resume it's intended purpose, to kill?


A lot of the historical value of firearms is the unique mechanisms of some of them. Usually, deactivating a firearm destroys these mechanisms, which pretty much defeats the purpose of keeping the thing in the first place.

Your statement is logically equivalent to saying that those old Japanese swords that were made of thousands of folds of metal should have their blades broken so they can't resume their intended purpose, to kill. I'm pretty sure lots of academics would be mad if someone went around breaking ancient Japanese swords :)
 
2012-08-19 09:22:28 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


That's a straw purchase, which is a felony.
 
2012-08-19 09:23:09 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


Yes. You could also buy his car and drive it into a crowd.
 
2012-08-19 09:23:29 AM
If the article teaches people anything, it should be about the absolute failure of gun buy back programs. Even the police admit that criminals aren't turning in guns, but it's usually people who are irrationally terrified of grandpa's antique .22 that's been gathering dust in the basement... but someday might gain sentience and rise up against them.

I would cry if someone turned in for destruction the rifle I inherited from my grandfather, a 1895 Winchester High Wall.
 
2012-08-19 09:25:52 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


No, that would be a straw purchase, and you'd be a prohibited person in possession of a firearm. Felonies for the both of you.
 
2012-08-19 09:26:56 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: stevarooni: Louisiana_Sitar_Club: Something....something......no background check required?....something.

Something...something...private citizens legally selling and buying property...something...hullabaloo....

Wow, seriously? (Keep in mind, you're talking to someone who knows jack effing squat about guns.) So let's say that I've been convicted of a handful of violent felonies and have a history of schizophrenia. I can't go down to the gun shop and buy a pistol because I won't pass the background check. In that case, I can send my relatively stable friend with a clean record in there to buy it and then I can legally buy it from him?


That's called a 'straw purchase'. It's a felony everywhere, and both you and your straw purchaser would be headed to jail. And if the seller asks if you are a straw purchaser, you tell him yes, and he sells it anyway, then the seller goes to jail too. Oh, and anyone convicted of a felony loses their right to own firearms forever. So the rules are basically, "fark up once and you're done", which is why most gun owners are so touchy.

The BATF goes around doing 'stings' for exactly this situation. They'll see an ad for a private sale and send an undercover who makes it clear they're disqualified from owning firearms to see how the seller reacts. And anyone who goes along with it gets arrested.
 
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