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(Times of Israel)   Israel to US: 'Dude, Iran isn't even scared of you. You should go over and like totally bust that ass, bro"   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 55
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2012-08-18 11:04:51 PM
7 votes:

Jim_Callahan: There's something strange in the world when there are two states having a political conflict in the middle east and the one we're supporting is the oppressive theocracy that's officially an apartheid state instead of the oppressive theocracy that's actively trying to improve the quality of life for its poorer citizens.

//Then, I guess there's not really a right choice there.


Two reasons we're supporting the apartheid state instead of the one that at least pretends to care about its second-class citizens:

1) We need to be buddy-buddy with Israel so that when (not "if") that temple in Jerusalem gets destroyed, Jesus™ will return and all the good Christians in America will get raptored into Heaven™. This offer for a free ticket into Heaven™ is valid for all people who practice American Evangelical Fundamentalist Christianity.
2) anybody who does not fully, unconditionally, unquestioningly and unwaveringly support Israel in every last thing they do is an anti-semite who wears full SS regalia and chisel swastikas into the sides of synagogues every chance they get; likewise, anybody who lays even an iota of blame on Israel w/r/t their conflict with the Palestinians is a Nazi-cosplaying, swastika-carving Jew hater. There is absolutely no grey area between the two extremes of "loving Israel more than America or your own family" and "hating Jews with the fury of a thousand suns" whatsoever.

You can thank those New American Century cockgoblins and AIPAC for all this.
2012-08-18 09:30:54 PM
6 votes:
Iran is simply not afraid of the United States, says Israel's former military intelligence chief

I simply don't care. Fight your own wars.
2012-08-18 09:01:56 PM
6 votes:
Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.
2012-08-18 08:50:46 PM
5 votes:
Iran is simply not afraid of the United States, says Israel's former military intelligence chief

*looks at a map*

meh. not our problem.
2012-08-19 12:06:38 AM
4 votes:

Zeno-25: Fark you, Israel. Take care of your own problems.


In case nobody heard that:

Fark you, Israel. Take care of your own problems.

Seriously: fark you.
2012-08-19 12:04:32 AM
4 votes:
Fark you, Israel. Take care of your own problems.
2012-08-18 11:08:43 PM
3 votes:

Hobodeluxe: Israel must be afraid of them too. I don't see them fighting them right now either. they still want big brother to go fights they pick.


Exactly. Helping Israel defend itself is one thing, but right now, they are behaving like an obnoxious frat boy with a Napoleon complex, who talks shiat to everyone at the bar because he thinks his boys are going to step in.
2012-08-18 10:40:21 PM
3 votes:
How about Israel fighting its our own damn war for a change? Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you and $2 billion a year we've still give you and go knock yourselves out?

Leave America out of this. We are too fighting Sunni/Shia proxy wars for the Arabs to help you.
2012-08-18 10:35:57 PM
3 votes:
Who cares? Let them sort themselves out.
2012-08-18 08:59:04 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: Iran is simply not afraid of the United States, says Israel's former military intelligence chief

*looks at a map*

meh. not our problem.


Sorry, its your problem

Feb5, 2012 Obama's Dilemma: how to dissuade Israel from bombing Iran without alienating pro-Israeli voters in November. So, the Obama admin has told Israel that the U.S. won't support an attack on Iran... quietly (247)

March 3, 2012 "Netanyahu is expected to publicly harden his line against Iran during a meeting with Barack Obama." ( •_•)⌐■-■ Well, that might stiffen into into a.... (⌐■_■) sticky situation ((443)

March 10, 2012 When Netanyahu gave Obama the Book of Esther as a gift, the message was only slightly less subtle than if he had constructed a massive neon billboard with the message "Mr. President, please help me destroy Iran before they destroy us" (235)

March 21, 2012 Experts: "rising demand for oil around the world and supply concerns stemming from Iran sanctions are driving prices at the pump" (152)

June 14, 2012 Romney-bot installs Mid East policy firmware. "Policy toward Israel will be guided by Israeli leaders; second, on Jerusalem, he'd do whatever Israel tells him to do" (103)

July 29, 2012 Romney to Israel: "If you guys want to go ahead and bomb Iran, I got your back" (293)
2012-08-19 12:31:54 AM
2 votes:

LectertheChef: Why the fark should anybody care? Israel doesn't want to get along with its neighbors, it never has. Hell, back before there was an Israel, there were Zionists in Palestine committing terrorist acts on the Palestinian people


And look at how much has changed today
2012-08-18 11:58:55 PM
2 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: So it's AIPAC?


AIPAC is just one organization. Theres others.

AliceBToklasLives: /BTW - I agree Israel is a strategic liability - at least in the real world and not in policy-making circles


AAhhhhhhhhhhhh. Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

Let me add then.

Recall, then the famous fight between Powell/State and the neocons that those policy making circles were having this discussion. Sometimes it wasnt just the neocons.

Recall the neocons were lobbying for Clinton to push the ILA (Iraq Liberation Act) during the blowjob trial. It was a political loser for him to veto this congressional act. In October 1998, under intense lobbying pressure from the neocons, Congress passed, and President Clinton signed, the "Iraqi Liberation Act." Brownback summed up Clintons actions on it: "I cannot understand why President Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act when he had absolutely no intention of implementing the provisions of that law.....and yet not one official of this Administration has been willing to take even the most minimal step toward that end....nothing - NOTHING - has been spent.

Also recall "when Israel formally requested the loan guarantee last September, Israeli officials attempted to go over President [Bush]'s head to win passage in Congress. Mr. Bush responded by calling himself "one lonely little guy" standing up to "a thousand lobbyists working the other side of the question. [1]"
2012-08-18 10:58:51 PM
2 votes:

Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: The choice is based on who best protects our oil. Israel has been a useful traffic cop for the US since 1967

This is shiat and has been shiat for some time.

In fact, its been a few decades where the two interests have been at direct odds.


Our common interests with Israel ended with the Cold War. Israel is a stinking, fetid, rotting albatross around our necks.
2012-08-18 10:51:01 PM
2 votes:
Nothing so self-perpetuating as a siege mentality....
2012-08-18 10:49:50 PM
2 votes:

Notabunny: You want to really piss off Ahmadinejad? Take all the money we'd normally spend killing his citizens and instead airlift in a bunch of schools and hospitals and water treatment plants and highways and a couple of high speed interwebs. That'd piss him off real good.


If you guys had done that type of thing with Cuba 40 years ago your flag would already have 51 stars on it.
2012-08-18 10:46:08 PM
2 votes:
Israel must be afraid of them too. I don't see them fighting them right now either. they still want big brother to go fights they pick.
2012-08-18 10:41:29 PM
2 votes:
Am I the only one tired of Israel's BS and wishes that there was a competent opposition to Bibi and his group of Likud retards?
2012-08-18 10:27:47 PM
2 votes:

RoyBatty: And don't be afraid to ask questions.


How long would Israel exist without U.S. foreign aid?
2012-08-18 10:07:18 PM
2 votes:

RoyBatty: GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.
Lionel Mandrake: Iran is simply not afraid of the United States, says Israel's former military intelligence chief

I simply don't care. Fight your own wars.

You guys should ask someone to read the article aloud for you. And slowly.

And don't be afraid to ask questions.


Fortunately, I don't care what you say, either.
2012-08-18 09:54:59 PM
2 votes:

jaylectricity: themindiswatching: Vote for a REAL man.

If only there was one running.


There is only one running.
2012-08-18 09:48:44 PM
2 votes:
Yup, vote for Romney because there are plenty of countries in the Mid East yet to be invaded on the behest of Israel.
2012-08-20 08:46:33 PM
1 votes:

Party Boy: clambam: Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"?

Are you really making this argument?JTA J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say.

AP Dec 2011 The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.

In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.

Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.

NJ Jewish News Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.
The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.
This week Menendez stood by his appro ...


No, but you are apparently. Look, we're really sorry we rubbed your nose in your complicity in that terrible crime you guys committed last century. Believe me, no one knows more than Jews about how awful it is to feel guilty all the time. It would have been nice if the US and Britain had taken in more Jewish refugees rather than sending them back to Germany to die horribly, it would have been nice if the Ukrainians and French had taken a page from the Dutch and courageously protected their Jews rather than gleefully participated in their mass murder. But they didn't. Now, sixty odd years later, you're so tired of being reminded of what heartless racist scumbags you are, you find it necessary to demonize the victims of your crimes. You've invented an alternate victim on whom to heap your sympathy, leaving yourselves clear to participate once again in an attempt to annhilate the Jews. Justify it to yourself however you like. You're still a murdering fascist pig whatever purported politics you choose to camouflage it under and however you choose to defend your blatant antisemtiism.
2012-08-19 03:09:29 PM
1 votes:
Israel are farking bloodsuckers. And no their "testing" of our weapons does not earn their keep. They've gotten us into a shiatload more trouble than they're worth and they're still using the farking Holocaust to deride anyone who says anything unfavorable about them.
2012-08-19 09:45:58 AM
1 votes:
Simple solution: drop a 55 gallon drum of pig blood and entrails someplace innocuous in Iran and accompany it with a threat to do the same to the Tomb of Ali and the entire city of Qom unless all centrifuges are immediately smashed and displayed in the open for satellite inspection and all nuclear development sites are opened for international inspection. There are several advantages to this approach:

1. It would be highly effective. Even if the Iranians choose to take their chances on ritual defilement, that will signal a change in their culture that in itself represents an unprecedented improvement. It conveys the fact that we recognize this as a religious war (which it has always been from their point of view, whatever we might think) and have the means, the methods and the motives to undermine their religion. Before you take issue with this, keep in mind that from their point of view we worship money and the attack on the World Trade Centers was intended as an attack on our religion.
2., It is both humane and cheap.
3. These are specificallu Shi'a sites (there are lots of them!) to which the Sunnis will not object.
4. It will make the Sunnis think twice about messing with us, given that their holy places are just as defenseless as the Iranian ones.
2012-08-19 03:35:27 AM
1 votes:
As an American I proudly say fark the middle east jew arab struggle. They can kill each other for all I care.
2012-08-19 03:25:37 AM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: See? Fartbongo made us look weak and pathetic! Vote for a REAL man, one who will show the world who's boss by bombing the shiat out of it.


You know, if rmoney actually promised to nuke iran into the worlds largest pool of glass and promised to kill himself if it wasnt done by the first 10 days of his presidency, well, I would probably vote for him.
because either way we would solve one problem.

shudder
just what we need yet another war
2012-08-19 02:00:13 AM
1 votes:
The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?
2012-08-19 01:43:06 AM
1 votes:

consider this: Frederick: I find that understandable considering Israel was fabricated out of nothing right in those neighbor's yards.

Which was voted on and approved by the United Nations.



So what the UN has to say about Israel is what we should be adhering to?
2012-08-19 12:51:03 AM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Particularly when the current POTUS showed no spine what so ever in helping out the people of Iran when they had an uprising.


For once we completely agree. The Green Revolution leaders have made it quite clear that any aid given by the US would strongly undermine their cause, but that if the US wanted to help, lifting sanctions would be a tremendous help to the Iranian revolutionary cause. I'm glad we can both agree that the responsible path for the president to follow is lifting Iranian sanctions.
2012-08-19 12:50:18 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-08-19 12:46:25 AM
1 votes:

NateGrey: shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.

Yea a nuke.

Republicans always the intelligence long term thinkers.


If we don't nuke innocent people, how will we show the world it's not okay to develop nukes that could be used to kill innocent people?
2012-08-19 12:36:41 AM
1 votes:

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.


Imagine all Persian people live up to the negative stereotypes. The men are all douchebags, and the women are all snobby materialists who are easily impressed by overly done hair and gaudy amounts of gold (and by douchebags.) Imagine that. And imagine that all the Iranians who are not douchey are religious fundamentalists. Do they deserve to have their cities bombed, even with conventional weapons? Do you like thinking about all those unpleasant people standing in the streets crying outside the remains of their houses while body parts of their douchey neighbors lie nearby? And if that sounds good to you, why don't we start in New Jersey? Or Dallas (see my username)?

Okay, now imagine that many Iranians are okay people, nice people. Don't you think we should tell Israel to cool their heels and not be the ones to ignite a war? There's plenty for them to do in the unconventional war, assassinating scientists while the Iranian government supports Hamas and tries to pretend it works for them. Let the nasties fight the nasties. Just three years ago we were cheering on the Green Revolution; now do we want to bomb those same people? Of course not. Leave the people of Tehran and Isfahan in peace while their governments settle their differences some other way.
2012-08-19 12:06:35 AM
1 votes:

Zeno-25: Fark you, Israel Middle East. Take care of your own problems.


FTFM.
2012-08-18 11:56:44 PM
1 votes:

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.


That would have an astronomical moral cost.

Murder is wrong.

I feel a little sick every time some group of people argues over whether or not mass murder is merely too expensive.
2012-08-18 11:49:03 PM
1 votes:
This is a lot like the scheme we used to play in high school, where you'd casually mention to the huge, yet developmentally stunted jock, that someone across the cafeteria was talking shiat about him. I had a larger point to make here, but after writing that first sentence, yeah, America is a developmentally stunted jock, and we're going to pick a fight with some random dude because our short friend with glasses told us he was talking shiat...

/Politics: it's like your high school cafeteria, but with nuclear weapons
2012-08-18 11:46:40 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.

Yea a nuke.

Republicans always the intelligence long term thinkers.


Al Franken once said that one thing Republicans hate is being told that their actions have long-term consequences.
2012-08-18 11:37:12 PM
1 votes:

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.


Yea a nuke.

Republicans always the intelligence long term thinkers.
2012-08-18 11:24:55 PM
1 votes:

sno man: jaylectricity: themindiswatching: Vote for a REAL man.

If only there was one running.

There is only one running.


Is it considered running when you are able to out strut your opponent to the finish line?
2012-08-18 11:23:47 PM
1 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?


Because Jesus.
2012-08-18 11:17:57 PM
1 votes:

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.


I love it when people frame diplomacy in terms of the casual murder of millions of innocent people
2012-08-18 11:12:58 PM
1 votes:

WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?


well the fundies think that we're obligated to do the bidding of "God's chosen people"
and the corporate media seems to think it's the rational thing to do.
and the military industrial complex loves the idea

but unless you're one of them all you get is the bill.
2012-08-18 11:07:24 PM
1 votes:
You know, Israelis are nice people and all but that being said fark THEM. They're big boys and girls. Let them take care of their own shiat for a change.
2012-08-18 11:05:11 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: RoyBatty: nmemkha: How about Israel fighting its our own damn war for a change? Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you and $2 billion a year we've still give you and go knock yourselves out?

Um, I think that's the point of this article. You realize "Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you" that's exactly what Netanyahu wants to do.

Though farker Lionel Mandrake, naming himself after a character famous for trying to avoid a nuclear world war doesn't listen to me, simply sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la la la go do it yourself to Israel is precisely the action that many people think will bring the US to a nuclear world war.

Hey Israel doesn't need our permission. But, as the aggressor, they are on their own should they write a check their ass can't cash.


That's only true as long as we have a sane, American patriot in the White House. Zionist Mormon Fundy Romney has already publicly stated that he will do whatever Israel tells him to do, rather than functioning primarily as the POTUS. An open commitment to commit treason.
2012-08-18 10:57:16 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: nmemkha: How about Israel fighting its our own damn war for a change? Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you and $2 billion a year we've still give you and go knock yourselves out?

Um, I think that's the point of this article. You realize "Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you" that's exactly what Netanyahu wants to do.

Though farker Lionel Mandrake, naming himself after a character famous for trying to avoid a nuclear world war doesn't listen to me, simply sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la la la go do it yourself to Israel is precisely the action that many people think will bring the US to a nuclear world war.


Hey Israel doesn't need our permission. But, as the aggressor, they are on their own should they write a check their ass can't cash.
2012-08-18 10:54:50 PM
1 votes:

Kumana Wanalaia: WhyteRaven74: So Israel wants to bomb Iran because of the words of a man with no real power. Says a lot about them.

he's the mouthpiece for the man with the power.

when he says "wipe israel off the map", it's significant.


he said wipe the current regime from the map. Like Bibi wipes Iranian nuclear scientists off the map.
2012-08-18 10:54:09 PM
1 votes:
They have no reason to truly be afraid. The US does not have the capability to occupy a country as large and powerful as Iran. Hell, we can't even accomplish that in Afghanistan. Iran has all the terrain issues Afghanistan does, plus a well organized military in place, and covers about 4 times as much area. The worst thing the US could do to Iran is drop a couple bombs, which would do nothing except piss off the international community and further isolate the US from it's traditional allies.
2012-08-18 10:47:33 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.


either that or f*cking pay us to fight for 'em. And I mean cash on the barrel head up front and non-negotiable.
2012-08-18 10:46:21 PM
1 votes:
There's something strange in the world when there are two states having a political conflict in the middle east and the one we're supporting is the oppressive theocracy that's officially an apartheid state instead of the oppressive theocracy that's actively trying to improve the quality of life for its poorer citizens.

//Then, I guess there's not really a right choice there.
2012-08-18 10:44:01 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.
Lionel Mandrake: Iran is simply not afraid of the United States, says Israel's former military intelligence chief

I simply don't care. Fight your own wars.

You guys should ask someone to read the article aloud for you. And slowly.

And don't be afraid to ask questions.


Why would i want a Zionist puppet like Mittens in the White house instead of an American Patriot like Barack Obama?
2012-08-18 10:43:19 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: How about Israel fighting its our own damn war for a change? Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you and $2 billion a year we've still give you and go knock yourselves out?


Um, I think that's the point of this article. You realize "Why don't you take all those high-tech weapons we have given you" that's exactly what Netanyahu wants to do.

Though farker Lionel Mandrake, naming himself after a character famous for trying to avoid a nuclear world war doesn't listen to me, simply sticking your fingers in your ears and saying la la la go do it yourself to Israel is precisely the action that many people think will bring the US to a nuclear world war.
2012-08-18 10:42:08 PM
1 votes:

Lunchlady: Who cares? Let them sort themselves out.


Well, the problem is that one of the two people who is in the running to be our next President has promised again and again that he'll give Israel carte blanc.

/won't tell you which one
//I'll surprise you
2012-08-18 10:41:06 PM
1 votes:
Israeli government: a bunch of whiny biatches afraid of something harmless and willing to sacrifice their principles in order to destroy it. No wonder they get along with Republicans so well.
2012-08-18 10:34:48 PM
1 votes:

2wolves: RoyBatty: And don't be afraid to ask questions.

How long would Israel exist without U.S. foreign aid?


Beats me. Their GDP is $242.93 B, I believe our aid to them is $3B so presumably forever (??), but I am not sure of your point or its relevance to this article....
2012-08-18 09:51:30 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: Vote for a REAL man.


If only there was one running.
2012-08-18 09:24:34 PM
1 votes:
We keep offering Iran a choice and they always pick cake. We're going to run out of cake at this rate.
 
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