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(Times of Israel)   Israel to US: 'Dude, Iran isn't even scared of you. You should go over and like totally bust that ass, bro"   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 186
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2012-08-19 08:56:50 AM  

Tatsuma: Well, I think he is spot on. I don't believe that Iran is scared that Obama is going to try and stop their nuclear program.

Whether that's a good thing or not is up to debate, but as far as just how factual this statement is, I don't think there's a debate to be had.


As far as the world knows, their nuclear program is for energy.

Theoretically wouldn't one countries right to technology be as fundamental as another countries right to exist?
 
2012-08-19 09:17:45 AM  

Tatsuma: Well, I think he is spot on. I don't believe that Iran is scared that Obama is going to try and stop their nuclear program.

Whether that's a good thing or not is up to debate, but as far as just how factual this statement is, I don't think there's a debate to be had.


Why would Obama try to stop Iran. You guys are doing all the work for once... and we like it very much that way.
 
2012-08-19 09:24:55 AM  

indylaw: Get Ahmadinejad and Netanyahu to agree to meet in some Scandinavian country for "peace talks." Blow the site to smithereens and make it look like Sunni terrorists were responsible. Pop popcorn and sit back.

/joking, kinda.


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Nah, have em meet in Moscow. In ten days I'll have a war on with those Communist bastards, and I'll make it look like THEIR fault.
 
2012-08-19 09:30:26 AM  
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2012-08-19 09:41:53 AM  

Weaver95: Iran is simply not afraid of the United States, says Israel's former military intelligence chief

*looks at a map*

meh. not our problem.



you got that right.

why should Isreal have to deal with them when they can sucker the U.S. into dealing with them. the U.S. is a sucker and throws Billions away every year dealing with Isreal and what Isreal wants.

but i guess its ok to throw Billions away on Isreal. its OUR tax money, not the one's who's throwing it away.

Go USA!! Freedomland!
 
2012-08-19 09:43:52 AM  

GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.



they own many of our Congressmen so they can continue to partially run our Foreign policy. after all, they know the U.S.A. is a sucker.
 
2012-08-19 09:44:44 AM  

Lunchlady: Who cares? Let them sort themselves out.




but that would be spreading Freedom and Democracy around the world. we can't have that.
 
2012-08-19 09:45:58 AM  
Simple solution: drop a 55 gallon drum of pig blood and entrails someplace innocuous in Iran and accompany it with a threat to do the same to the Tomb of Ali and the entire city of Qom unless all centrifuges are immediately smashed and displayed in the open for satellite inspection and all nuclear development sites are opened for international inspection. There are several advantages to this approach:

1. It would be highly effective. Even if the Iranians choose to take their chances on ritual defilement, that will signal a change in their culture that in itself represents an unprecedented improvement. It conveys the fact that we recognize this as a religious war (which it has always been from their point of view, whatever we might think) and have the means, the methods and the motives to undermine their religion. Before you take issue with this, keep in mind that from their point of view we worship money and the attack on the World Trade Centers was intended as an attack on our religion.
2., It is both humane and cheap.
3. These are specificallu Shi'a sites (there are lots of them!) to which the Sunnis will not object.
4. It will make the Sunnis think twice about messing with us, given that their holy places are just as defenseless as the Iranian ones.
 
2012-08-19 09:46:50 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?



Why??

because Israel is the "Jewish Nation" and our Congress has alot of Jewish influence in it, even though the percentage of Jews in this Nation is very low.

Money talks, baby. and money owns OUR CONgress.
 
2012-08-19 09:49:02 AM  

Linux_Yes: AliceBToklasLives: Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?


Why??

because Israel is the "Jewish Nation" and our Congress has alot of Jewish influence in it, even though the percentage of Jews in this Nation is very low.

Money talks, baby. and money owns OUR CONgress.


Money and the power of information. American Media does not always work for America, sometimes it's working for its other country.
 
2012-08-19 10:07:18 AM  

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran Tel Aviv wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket Bibi.



wow how does that shoe feel on the other foot?
 
2012-08-19 10:09:30 AM  
If we go to war with Iran
Romneys sons should put their hides on the line to defend what their father believes

www.themortonreport.com

/Aaron can do it, and he was some kind of singer
 
2012-08-19 10:11:50 AM  
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Land war in Asia you say?
 
2012-08-19 10:34:18 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Linux_Yes: AliceBToklasLives: Party Boy: AliceBToklasLives: Sure - that's why U.S. aid to Israel has gone down dramatically since 1990. Why send massive amounts of aid - far, far more than anyone else -- to a country with which we are at odds?

You are not about to use foreign aid to Israel as a metric to defend your argument, are you? You might want to rethink this.

Why does the United States send Israel so much foreign aid? Did we just pick a name out of a hat?


Why??

because Israel is the "Jewish Nation" and our Congress has alot of Jewish influence in it, even though the percentage of Jews in this Nation is very low.

Money talks, baby. and money owns OUR CONgress.

Money and the power of information. American Media does not always work for America, sometimes it's working for its other country.



American "news" media works for the large corporations who own it. the hell with the nation and the "little people".
 
2012-08-19 10:40:56 AM  

clambam: accompany it with a threat to do the same



Ah, the extortionist approach. Smooooooth.

/or would that be the terrorist approach?
 
2012-08-19 10:46:50 AM  

consider this: LectertheChef: Never said they were, but it's important to remember that Israel has always been just as bad, if not worse, than the people they keep telling us to hate.

I disagree. Even if Israel sits back and does nothing, eventually they get some rockets launched their way or a suicide bomber or two blowing themselves up. Israel responds to aggression, they don't initiate it.


Israel never sits back and does nothing. While you are giving them praise for "doing nothing", they are taking the homes and land of thousands of Palestinians.
 
2012-08-19 10:51:29 AM  

Rich Cream: clambam: accompany it with a threat to do the same


Ah, the extortionist approach. Smooooooth.

/or would that be the terrorist approach?


That would be the effective approach, the clever approach and the cheap approach. It would be sabre-rattling (which we're doing already), accompanied by a glimpse of the sabre.
 
2012-08-19 11:05:47 AM  
Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"? And the terrorist approach would be to simply do it with no warning--drench the holy sites of Iran in filth accompanied by a hearty "fark you." You'd rather see what? A full scale war? The State of Israel wiped from the face of the earth? In that case may I proffer you a hearty "fark you" as well.
 
2012-08-19 11:07:22 AM  

clambam: Rich Cream: clambam: accompany it with a threat to do the same


Ah, the extortionist approach. Smooooooth.

/or would that be the terrorist approach?

That would be the effective approach, the clever approach and the cheap approach. It would be sabre-rattling (which we're doing already), accompanied by a glimpse of the sabre.



So, terrorism is effective. I agree.

/not so clever though
//and cheap? you said it, not me.
 
2012-08-19 11:10:18 AM  

clambam: Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"?


Yes.


And the terrorist approach would be to simply do it with no warning

So by telling someone you're going to beat them up before you do so negates the beating in some manner?


/don't bother putting words in my mouth about Israel and maps. Won't work.
 
2012-08-19 11:14:31 AM  

clambam: Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"?


Are you really making this argument?
JTA J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say.

AP Dec 2011 The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.

In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.

Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.

NJ Jewish News Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.
The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.
This week Menendez stood by his approach on sanctions, which he developed in consultation with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

Are you saying groups like AIPAC are engaging in extortion?
 
2012-08-19 11:14:48 AM  

machodonkeywrestler: Israel never sits back and does nothing. While you are giving them praise for "doing nothing", they are taking the homes and land of thousands of Palestinians.


And creating 10s of thousands of jobs. Don't you get it yet?
 
2012-08-19 11:24:30 AM  

Party Boy: Are you saying groups like AIPAC are engaging in extortion?


When you threaten to take something away from someone instead of rewarding them for doing what you want it's pretty damn close to extortion.
 
2012-08-19 11:32:01 AM  
Couldn't we make a similar deal to the one Russia has with Iran? I'm sure the Russians know exactly what's going on over there because they're involved with it, and we could be too, very easily, but instead we need to speak loudly and swing a big dick around.

We could make sure it's isotopes for medical purposes and make the world a better place through improved medical care but nooooooo, fark you, we got ours. Now do as I say, biatch.
 
2012-08-19 11:36:02 AM  

Rich Cream: Party Boy: Are you saying groups like AIPAC are engaging in extortion?

When you threaten to take something away from someone instead of rewarding them for doing what you want it's pretty damn close to extortion.


That guy wants to talk about the sanctions as a US thing, not something pushed through congress by groups like AIPAC over the complaints of the Obama admin.
 
2012-08-19 11:50:12 AM  

ssa5: GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.

Can....not....resist....comment........arrrrrggghh

You know who else was a warmonger?


That was the point.
 
2012-08-19 01:20:40 PM  

clambam: Simple solution: drop a 55 gallon drum of pig blood and entrails someplace innocuous in Iran and accompany it with a threat to do the same to the Tomb of Ali and the entire city of Qom unless all centrifuges are immediately smashed and displayed in the open for satellite inspection and all nuclear development sites are opened for international inspection. There are several advantages to this approach:

1. It would be highly effective. Even if the Iranians choose to take their chances on ritual defilement, that will signal a change in their culture that in itself represents an unprecedented improvement. It conveys the fact that we recognize this as a religious war (which it has always been from their point of view, whatever we might think) and have the means, the methods and the motives to undermine their religion. Before you take issue with this, keep in mind that from their point of view we worship money and the attack on the World Trade Centers was intended as an attack on our religion.
2., It is both humane and cheap.
3. These are specificallu Shi'a sites (there are lots of them!) to which the Sunnis will not object.
4. It will make the Sunnis think twice about messing with us, given that their holy places are just as defenseless as the Iranian ones.


I hate to say this: YOUR IDEA IS PERFECT!
Plus even if you dropped the blood on what ever site, they can clean it up. sure they will be upset, but it wont destroy the site ...
bwhahahahahahahahahahahahha

EPIC trolling of muslims !!!
 
2012-08-19 02:06:45 PM  
Problem: Israel's constant belligerency.

Solution: Glass parking lot the whole damn country and blame it on a snafu caused by Chinese made electronics.
 
2012-08-19 03:09:29 PM  
Israel are farking bloodsuckers. And no their "testing" of our weapons does not earn their keep. They've gotten us into a shiatload more trouble than they're worth and they're still using the farking Holocaust to deride anyone who says anything unfavorable about them.
 
2012-08-19 04:06:40 PM  
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2012-08-19 06:00:35 PM  

King Something: Jim_Callahan: There's something strange in the world when there are two states having a political conflict in the middle east and the one we're supporting is the oppressive theocracy that's officially an apartheid state instead of the oppressive theocracy that's actively trying to improve the quality of life for its poorer citizens.

//Then, I guess there's not really a right choice there.

Two reasons we're supporting the apartheid state instead of the one that at least pretends to care about its second-class citizens:

1) We need to be buddy-buddy with Israel so that when (not "if") that temple in Jerusalem gets destroyed, Jesus™ will return and all the good Christians in America will get raptored into Heaven™. This offer for a free ticket into Heaven™ is valid for all people who practice American Evangelical Fundamentalist Christianity.
2) anybody who does not fully, unconditionally, unquestioningly and unwaveringly support Israel in every last thing they do is an anti-semite who wears full SS regalia and chisel swastikas into the sides of synagogues every chance they get; likewise, anybody who lays even an iota of blame on Israel w/r/t their conflict with the Palestinians is a Nazi-cosplaying, swastika-carving Jew hater. There is absolutely no grey area between the two extremes of "loving Israel more than America or your own family" and "hating Jews with the fury of a thousand suns" whatsoever.

You can thank those New American Century cockgoblins and AIPAC for all this.

 


Now who can argue with that?
 
2012-08-19 06:10:02 PM  

Notabunny: PlasticMoby: You know, Israelis are nice people and all but that being said fark THEM. They're big boys and girls. Let them take care of their own shiat for a change.

No, no. Stick with the first part. And then try to figure out how to help the nice people, who, by the way, think we're nice people, too.



Let me guess - by blasting the shiat out of Iran - and every other enemy that Israel makes.

And when it comes to making enemies, Izzy seems uniquely talented, doesn't she? Whips 'em up from scratch in a jiffy, she does.

And she's not stingy with them either. In fact, America would have a lot fewer enemies were it not for Israel's willingness to "share".

One note of caution: If we suddenly stop schlepping Izzy's water for her, we could very well end up becoming one of her enemies.

Do you think we could handle that kind of rejection?
 
2012-08-19 09:36:59 PM  
Really, Iran (through Israeli proxy)? The only think this country seems to be good at is blowing sh*t up and totally f*cking up other countries.

Go ahead, tempt us. We probably need to clear out some inventory anyway.


/this is a sad country where the only thing we're good at is war.
 
2012-08-20 12:09:37 PM  

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.


No, no it wouldn't. In fact it would probably drive Iran to make a very nasty counter attack involving chemical or biological weapons.
 
2012-08-20 08:46:33 PM  

Party Boy: clambam: Incidentally, aren't the current sanctions "the extortionist approach"?

Are you really making this argument?JTA J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say.

AP Dec 2011 The powerful pro-Israel lobby and a leading Jewish advocacy group on Wednesday endorsed tough sanctions on Iran's Central Bank as Congress wrestles with an Obama administration plea to ease the impact of the penalties to avoid driving up oil prices.

In a letter to lawmakers, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee said the sanctions would contribute to the U.S. effort to pressure Tehran economically and could dissuade Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon. Separately, the American Jewish Committee wrote to Defense Secretary Leon Panetta backing the penalties that would target foreign financial institutions that do business with the Central Bank.

Last week, the Senate voted 100-0 for an amendment by Sens. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., to add the sanctions to a broad defense bill. House and Senate negotiators are meeting this week to try to iron out the differences between their respective bills and produce a final version of the legislation for President Barack Obama's signature.

NJ Jewish News Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.
The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.
This week Menendez stood by his appro ...


No, but you are apparently. Look, we're really sorry we rubbed your nose in your complicity in that terrible crime you guys committed last century. Believe me, no one knows more than Jews about how awful it is to feel guilty all the time. It would have been nice if the US and Britain had taken in more Jewish refugees rather than sending them back to Germany to die horribly, it would have been nice if the Ukrainians and French had taken a page from the Dutch and courageously protected their Jews rather than gleefully participated in their mass murder. But they didn't. Now, sixty odd years later, you're so tired of being reminded of what heartless racist scumbags you are, you find it necessary to demonize the victims of your crimes. You've invented an alternate victim on whom to heap your sympathy, leaving yourselves clear to participate once again in an attempt to annhilate the Jews. Justify it to yourself however you like. You're still a murdering fascist pig whatever purported politics you choose to camouflage it under and however you choose to defend your blatant antisemtiism.
 
2012-08-20 09:43:28 PM  

shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.


Or the survivors\nearby allies will begin nuclear winter.

Y'know. Small chance, right? Not like killing a bunch of people ever pisses off the survivors, right? After all, a nuke strike is just a spanking, I'm sure they'll take it like a big boy.
 
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