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(Times of Israel)   Israel to US: 'Dude, Iran isn't even scared of you. You should go over and like totally bust that ass, bro"   (timesofisrael.com) divider line 186
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2012-08-19 12:43:37 AM

consider this: LectertheChef: Israel doesn't want to get along with its neighbors, it never has.

Because Israel's neighbors have a long history of being so friendly in return, right?


I don't think anyones hands are totally clean in the Middle East. Thats seems to be the biggest problem...everyone wants to play the victim and no one wants to take responsibility for anything. It's like a bunch of children bickering. You started it! No you started it! It's all your fault! No it's all your fault! I hate you! I hate you! Everyone just needs to stop and actually figure something out...probably never happen though
 
2012-08-19 12:44:54 AM
Israel is a political mistake made in 1948. We could've saved the world a lot of trouble by just giving them Florida. The older ones already own a significant portion of it, anyway. We could have 49 five-pointed stars and one Star of David on our flag.
 
2012-08-19 12:46:25 AM

NateGrey: shotglasss: WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?

One nuke on Teheran wouldn't cost near that much and would instantly take all the fight out of Ahadinnahjacket.

Yea a nuke.

Republicans always the intelligence long term thinkers.


If we don't nuke innocent people, how will we show the world it's not okay to develop nukes that could be used to kill innocent people?
 
2012-08-19 12:47:31 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Israel is a political mistake made in 1948. We could've saved the world a lot of trouble by just giving them Florida. The older ones already own a significant portion of it, anyway. We could have 49 five-pointed stars and one Star of David on our flag.


we'd still have the same shiat today but instead of the palestinians it would be Cubans and Hatians...

/oh wait
 
2012-08-19 12:47:43 AM
Given the current administration? I wouldn't be afraid of the US either if I were a two bit dictator. Particularly when the current POTUS showed no spine what so ever in helping out the people of Iran when they had an uprising.

Jimmy Carter did more to help the current Iranian government get in power than Obama did to help remove it.
 
2012-08-19 12:49:04 AM

randomjsa: Given the current administration? I wouldn't be afraid of the US either if I were a two bit dictator. Particularly when the current POTUS showed no spine what so ever in helping out the people of Iran when they had an uprising.

Jimmy Carter did more to help the current Iranian government get in power than Obama did to help remove it.


so your saying both they're equally the worst president
 
2012-08-19 12:50:18 AM
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2012-08-19 12:51:03 AM

randomjsa: Particularly when the current POTUS showed no spine what so ever in helping out the people of Iran when they had an uprising.


For once we completely agree. The Green Revolution leaders have made it quite clear that any aid given by the US would strongly undermine their cause, but that if the US wanted to help, lifting sanctions would be a tremendous help to the Iranian revolutionary cause. I'm glad we can both agree that the responsible path for the president to follow is lifting Iranian sanctions.
 
2012-08-19 12:52:27 AM

consider this: LectertheChef: Israel doesn't want to get along with its neighbors, it never has.

Because Israel's neighbors have a long history of being so friendly in return, right?


Never said they were, but it's important to remember that Israel has always been just as bad, if not worse, than the people they keep telling us to hate. Should also keep in mind that Israel backed Hamas when Hamas was in a power struggle with the PLO. Israel makes its own messes, they need to learn how to clean up after themselves.
 
2012-08-19 12:54:02 AM

randomjsa: Given the current administration? I wouldn't be afraid of the US either if I were a two bit dictator. Particularly when the current POTUS showed no spine what so ever in helping out the people of Iran when they had an uprising.

Jimmy Carter did more to help the current Iranian government get in power than Obama did to help remove it.


Why should he have helped out the Green Revolution? They were a bunch of rich, urban college kids, with no support from the working class, or people in rural areas. It was doomed from the start.
 
2012-08-19 12:56:54 AM

consider this: LectertheChef: Never said they were, but it's important to remember that Israel has always been just as bad, if not worse, than the people they keep telling us to hate.

I disagree. Even if Israel sits back and does nothing, eventually they get some rockets launched their way or a suicide bomber or two blowing themselves up. Israel responds to aggression, they don't initiate it.


Just like they accidentally shot up the Liberty, right?
 
2012-08-19 12:57:00 AM

Mildot: randomjsa: Given the current administration? I wouldn't be afraid of the US either if I were a two bit dictator. Particularly when the current POTUS showed no spine what so ever in helping out the people of Iran when they had an uprising.

Jimmy Carter did more to help the current Iranian government get in power than Obama did to help remove it.

so your saying both they're equally the worst president


What about the people of Libya and Syria?
 
2012-08-19 01:04:43 AM

GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.


Can....not....resist....comment........arrrrrggghh

You know who else was a warmonger?
 
2012-08-19 01:11:27 AM

ssa5: GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.

Can....not....resist....comment........arrrrrggghh

You know who else was a warmonger?


Milk, nose, keyboard, etc
 
2012-08-19 01:13:23 AM
$100 says we are going to war with Iran, I mean we don't set up a whole middle east invading infrastructure for nothing.
 
2012-08-19 01:18:59 AM

consider this: LectertheChef: Israel doesn't want to get along with its neighbors, it never has.

Because Israel's neighbors have a long history of being so friendly in return, right?


I find that understandable considering Israel was fabricated out of nothing right in those neighbor's yards.
 
2012-08-19 01:29:28 AM
That's nice. Israel can do it's own dirty work for a change.
 
2012-08-19 01:43:06 AM

consider this: Frederick: I find that understandable considering Israel was fabricated out of nothing right in those neighbor's yards.

Which was voted on and approved by the United Nations.



So what the UN has to say about Israel is what we should be adhering to?
 
2012-08-19 01:45:33 AM

consider this: Frederick: I find that understandable considering Israel was fabricated out of nothing right in those neighbor's yards.

Which was voted on and approved by the United Nations.


It's a good thing that Israel always respects United Nations resolutions then, isn't it? Oh wait...
 
2012-08-19 01:48:21 AM

consider this: Frederick: I find that understandable considering Israel was fabricated out of nothing right in those neighbor's yards.

Which was voted on and approved by the League of Nations.


FIFY
 
2012-08-19 01:51:14 AM

consider this: Frederick: I find that understandable considering Israel was fabricated out of nothing right in those neighbor's yards.

Which was voted on and approved by the United Nations.


Does that make it less understandable for you?
 
2012-08-19 01:58:06 AM

Lost Thought 00: They have no reason to truly be afraid. The US does not have the capability to occupy a country as large and powerful as Iran. Hell, we can't even accomplish that in Afghanistan. Iran has all the terrain issues Afghanistan does, plus a well organized military in place, and covers about 4 times as much area. The worst thing the US could do to Iran is drop a couple bombs, which would do nothing except piss off the international community and further isolate the US from it's traditional allies.


Bomb their airfields into uselessness, and then institute a naval blockade in the Arabian sea and an air blockade on the Caspian. Where are they going to get food from? To the East is the lawless portion of Pakistan. Turkey doesn't like 'em. Azerbaijan is an ally of Israel's. We have a major base in Turkmenistan- no way do they piss us off. Iraq and Afghanistan? Whoops. What does that leave, Armenia? That's an interesting case there- I'm betting they don't get involved.

We've been setting this up for almost 20 years now. I don't know if the U.S. and Israel are going to actually do it, but they certainly can. I don't think any of our traditional allies will care, outside of France wringing their hands and not letting us use their airspace. The main problem is that the Russians consider the Caspian their territory. They are not going to be happy about this.
 
2012-08-19 02:00:13 AM
The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?
 
2012-08-19 02:18:06 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Israel is a political mistake made in 1948. We could've saved the world a lot of trouble by just giving them Florida. The older ones already own a significant portion of it, anyway. We could have 49 five-pointed stars and one Star of David on our flag.


We'd still have the troubles. except that Florida-as-Israel would want to nuke South Carolina instead of Iran after they brought a nuclear power plant online
 
2012-08-19 02:42:10 AM

OgreMagi: The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?

 

If I say I'm going to kick your ass, does that give you the right to kill me?
 
2012-08-19 02:52:42 AM

OgreMagi: The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?


Citation?

All I've ever seen are Israeli sources claiming such. I can provide far more sources of Israel threatening Iran. This article we are commenting on is one.....
 
2012-08-19 02:55:47 AM

Notabunny: You want to really piss off Ahmadinejad? Take all the money we'd normally spend killing his citizens and instead airlift in a bunch of schools and hospitals and water treatment plants and highways and a couple of high speed interwebs. That'd piss him off real good.


I wonder what it would be like if, 20 years ago, America had offered to sell Iran nuke reactors.
 
2012-08-19 03:01:29 AM

RoyBatty: 2wolves: RoyBatty: And don't be afraid to ask questions.

How long would Israel exist without U.S. foreign aid?

Beats me. Their GDP is $242.93 B, I believe our aid to them is $3B so presumably forever (??), but I am not sure of your point or its relevance to this article....


The MONETARY aid is somewhere around $3B. We give them FAR more than that in military hardware. Of course, they make a pretty penny by selling some of it (as well as any secrets that Mossad gleans about the US) to China.

Without US aid, including the hardware we GIVE to Israel for free, Israel would be farked. All those pretty jets, helicopters, jets, and munitions, well... they might actually have to start BUYING them!
 
2012-08-19 03:02:25 AM
"You said jets twice"
"I like jets".

Second "jets" should read "tanks".
 
2012-08-19 03:05:10 AM

OgreMagi: The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?


If some guy is full of bluster and, in order to show off, says he's going to kill you. He doesn't say this TO you, he just says it to his friends. You hear about this, and you set a bomb in his house, blow the fark out of his house and three other nearby houses, not only killing the guy but his family and the families of his neighbors.

So who's the bad guy?
 
2012-08-19 03:17:31 AM

LincolnLogolas: OgreMagi: The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?

If some guy is full of bluster and, in order to show off, says he's going to kill you. He doesn't say this TO you, he just says it to his friends. You hear about this, and you set a bomb in his house, blow the fark out of his house and three other nearby houses, not only killing the guy but his family and the families of his neighbors.

So who's the bad guy?


Seriously?
 
2012-08-19 03:18:13 AM

LincolnLogolas: OgreMagi: The leaders of Iran have said outright they will destroy Israel as soon as they can do it. So why is Israel the bad guys for wanting to prevent that?

If some guy is full of bluster and, in order to show off, says he's going to kill you. He doesn't say this TO you, he just says it to his friends. You hear about this, and you set a bomb in his house, blow the fark out of his house and three other nearby houses, not only killing the guy but his family and the families of his neighbors.

So who's the bad guy?


----------

Is the other guy a muslim?
 
2012-08-19 03:25:37 AM

themindiswatching: See? Fartbongo made us look weak and pathetic! Vote for a REAL man, one who will show the world who's boss by bombing the shiat out of it.


You know, if rmoney actually promised to nuke iran into the worlds largest pool of glass and promised to kill himself if it wasnt done by the first 10 days of his presidency, well, I would probably vote for him.
because either way we would solve one problem.

shudder
just what we need yet another war
 
2012-08-19 03:35:27 AM
As an American I proudly say fark the middle east jew arab struggle. They can kill each other for all I care.
 
2012-08-19 03:51:38 AM
Israel made their bed.

Let them lie in it.
 
2012-08-19 04:07:33 AM

GAT_00: Israel needs to shut the fark up and quit being a warmonger.


Hey, Israel. While we're busying with Afghanistan, why don't you invade Iran for us? Oh, you don't have the resources and the military might to actually do it? Then:

www.hitupmyspot.com
 
2012-08-19 04:23:35 AM
All of this engineered to affect a US presidential election.

It sounds like one of those anti-semitic "canards" we hear so much about.
 
2012-08-19 06:29:24 AM
Israel is going to make all kinds of noise about Iran, but won't do anything, because Iran would strike back, and that would be the end of Israel.

Iran is going to make all kinds of noise about Israel, but won't do anything, because Israel would strike back, and that would be the end of Iran.

Russia and the US will sit on the sidelines and watch the verbal conflict, and won't get involved unless they absolutely have to, because the stakes are simply too high should they get involved in this particular shooting war. In the end, this is all a bunch of noise and fury for the election, and as long as Obama wins in November, no violence will occur. Obama knows we can't afford yet another war.

On the other hand, if Romney wins, there is big money for the military contractors if we back an Israeli strike on Iran. So that's all the reason I need - although I have plenty more reasons available - to vote for Obama. Romney and the GOP will keep us in continual wars, Obama is getting us out of the wars the GOP started, and didn't even bother to try to pay for during Bush's regime.
 
2012-08-19 06:30:41 AM

WizardofToast: What's in it for us, a country that has spent over a trillion to go to war for over a decade?


Since I left active duty US military service

I've have always had friends in active combat zones

From Panama to
Desert Storm
to Bosnia
And back to the Middle east again

Not Special Forces commandos, everyday hard working M1A1 tank commanders.

My son is 18 and the US has always been at war with someone in his lifetime

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2012-08-19 07:33:14 AM

RoyBatty: 2wolves: RoyBatty: And don't be afraid to ask questions.

How long would Israel exist without U.S. foreign aid?

Beats me. Their GDP is $242.93 B, I believe our aid to them is $3B so presumably forever (??), but I am not sure of your point or its relevance to this article....


It's the type of aid (military and technological items that can't be obtained anywhere else), not the dollar amount that is important. Many of the weapons they use come from US. They have also want 'bunker buster' bombs now as well.

As for the actual amount, it's higher because we spend some number placating their neighbors as well.

We will be dragged into fighting Iran, whether we want to or not. Israel will find some sort of pretext and we will come running.
 
2012-08-19 07:40:54 AM

themindiswatching: See? Fartbongo made us look weak and pathetic! Vote for a REAL man, one who will show the world who's boss by bombing the shiat out of it.


Bush was a R.E.A.L. man and look where that got us.
 
2012-08-19 07:59:54 AM

2wolves: RoyBatty: And don't be afraid to ask questions.

How long would Israel exist without U.S. foreign aid?


For as long as women love diamonds.
 
2012-08-19 08:07:02 AM
Well, I think he is spot on. I don't believe that Iran is scared that Obama is going to try and stop their nuclear program.

Whether that's a good thing or not is up to debate, but as far as just how factual this statement is, I don't think there's a debate to be had.
 
2012-08-19 08:15:23 AM
Israel, the passive aggressive psychotic ex-wife of the Middle East.

Always the victim.

Always getting larger.
 
2012-08-19 08:20:57 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: Israel, the passive aggressive psychotic ex-wife of the Middle East.

Always the victim.

Always getting larger.


Anti-Semite!
 
2012-08-19 08:22:43 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Lunchlady: Who cares? Let them sort themselves out.

Well, the problem is that one of the two people who is in the running to be our next President has promised again and again that he'll give Israel carte blanc.

/won't tell you which one
//I'll surprise you


Both. Only a child believes otherwise. Only and poorly informed child.
 
2012-08-19 08:39:00 AM
Get Ahmadinejad and Netanyahu to agree to meet in some Scandinavian country for "peace talks." Blow the site to smithereens and make it look like Sunni terrorists were responsible. Pop popcorn and sit back.

/joking, kinda.
 
2012-08-19 08:45:04 AM

Makh: We keep offering Iran a choice and they always pick cake. We're going to run out of cake at this rate.


Yellow cake?
 
2012-08-19 08:50:19 AM
FTA: "The United States can do it when it finally understands that negotiations will get nothing from the Iranians and that the sanctions are not achieving what is necessary," Yadlin said. "I am one of those who believes that President Obama understands the American interests regarding Iran, regarding the proliferation that would follow if Iran goes nuclear. The next day the Saudis, the Turks and after that maybe Egypt and Iraq [would seek to go nuclear]. There is no American president who wants the NPT [the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty] to collapse on his watch and for Iran to be the Middle East hegemon because it is nuclear...

That's rich, coming from Israel
 
2012-08-19 08:52:01 AM

indylaw: Get Ahmadinejad and Netanyahu to agree to meet in some Scandinavian country for "peace talks." Blow the site to smithereens and make it look like Sunni terrorists were responsible. Pop popcorn and sit back.

/joking, kinda.


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