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2012-08-18 11:01:41 PM  
So did their little enforcement action better the society they serve, or did it just endanger their citizens and make criminal richer?
 
2012-08-18 11:05:06 PM  
Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001, and began focusing on treatment. Today, the number of addicts is half what it was in 2001. Drug usage rate is among the lowest in Europe. Fewer diseases, overdoses. More:

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2012-08-19 12:03:03 AM  

xynix: Along with Reaganomics the war on drugs has been a complete failure. All the countries that followed the war on drugs policies are also in failure mode. Instead of jailing people how about we start treating them? We've had 30 years to try out this whole "throw everyone in jail" thing and all we've got out of it is a bunch of kids without dads/moms. Of course a druggy is going to get their fix regardless of how they have to get their fix. Smoking farking bath salts as an example.. My cousin was on heroine for almost 20 years (she now has bone cancer) and the only way she kicked the habit after being incarcerated 10+ times is after our family pooled our resources for treatment. If the government would have spent the money for that on her first arrest she probably wouldn't have cancer (they attribute it to drug use) and she wouldn't have cost tax payers 4 or 5 years of jail expense at $45k a year. Granted not all addicts recover on the first attempt but even 10+ times in treatment is a hell of a lot better/cheaper than jail.

Whatever.. Sensible solutions don't bring money into the DoJ.


Ya know what's better/cheaper than jail? Not using Heroin in the first farking place.
 
2012-08-19 12:20:23 AM  
On March 1, Purdue Pharma replaced OxyContin with OxyNeo, a new formulation of the oxycodone-based medication that the manufacturer says is more difficult to crush

Seriously? How on earth does that work? I'm pretty sure there's no pill out there I can't crush with enough swings of a hammer, especially if that's what stands between me and getting high on the opioid I'm addicted to.

Meth-heads are out there giving themselves the practical equivalent of masters' degrees in chemistry, but oxycontin addicts can't figure out how to crush a slightly tougher pill? Goddammit Rush Limbaugh, where are you when you actually have relevant knowledge?
 
2012-08-19 12:27:39 AM  

KidneyStone: xynix: Along with Reaganomics the war on drugs has been a complete failure. All the countries that followed the war on drugs policies are also in failure mode. Instead of jailing people how about we start treating them? We've had 30 years to try out this whole "throw everyone in jail" thing and all we've got out of it is a bunch of kids without dads/moms. Of course a druggy is going to get their fix regardless of how they have to get their fix. Smoking farking bath salts as an example.. My cousin was on heroine for almost 20 years (she now has bone cancer) and the only way she kicked the habit after being incarcerated 10+ times is after our family pooled our resources for treatment. If the government would have spent the money for that on her first arrest she probably wouldn't have cancer (they attribute it to drug use) and she wouldn't have cost tax payers 4 or 5 years of jail expense at $45k a year. Granted not all addicts recover on the first attempt but even 10+ times in treatment is a hell of a lot better/cheaper than jail.

Whatever.. Sensible solutions don't bring money into the DoJ.

Ya know what's better/cheaper than jail? Not using Heroin in the first farking place.


When it comes to escaping from the shiattiness of reality, some people prefer the feelings that come from heroin. Are you going to find an acceptable alternative for those people, or do you just want them to be miserable.
 
2012-08-19 12:35:41 AM  

semiotix: On March 1, Purdue Pharma replaced OxyContin with OxyNeo, a new formulation of the oxycodone-based medication that the manufacturer says is more difficult to crush

Seriously? How on earth does that work? I'm pretty sure there's no pill out there I can't crush with enough swings of a hammer, especially if that's what stands between me and getting high on the opioid I'm addicted to.

Meth-heads are out there giving themselves the practical equivalent of masters' degrees in chemistry, but oxycontin addicts can't figure out how to crush a slightly tougher pill? Goddammit Rush Limbaugh, where are you when you actually have relevant knowledge?


From what I heard on the radio months ago, when they switched, the new pill was more jell like and simply would not powder. Since then the hillbillies have outsmarted the guys getting paid to be smart. or switched to H apparently.
 
2012-08-19 01:37:47 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001, and began focusing on treatment. Today, the number of addicts is half what it was in 2001. Drug usage rate is among the lowest in Europe. Fewer diseases, overdoses.

Nobody wants to hear that crap. Useful solutions, better society, more treasure. What a fantasy, bring on more celticfrost.

 
2012-08-19 01:41:08 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: go for the easy high or the hard high, though. heroin is illegal. oxycotin is just a prescription away. ease of access trumps intensity of high, i reckon.


Most Oxy users I knew didn't get their own script, they purchased them illegally, usually from people who had a script that insurance covered and needed the money from the high street value. Then again, most of the Oxy users I knew switched to H rather quickly, when they figured out just how expensive Oxy was at street price.

semiotix: Seriously? How on earth does that work? I'm pretty sure there's no pill out there I can't crush with enough swings of a hammer, especially if that's what stands between me and getting high on the opioid I'm addicted to.

Meth-heads are out there giving themselves the practical equivalent of masters' degrees in chemistry, but oxycontin addicts can't figure out how to crush a slightly tougher pill? Goddammit Rush Limbaugh, where are you when you actually have relevant knowledge?


It's not that they're just more difficult to crush, it's that they're much more difficult to get to something you could snort/shoot. The anti-abuse additives are pretty nasty to work with, they gel up in your nose and aren't easy to separate to get something you could shoot - compare this to before where it was as easy as smash the pill and rail it, or mix with water, filter and shoot. I'm sure you could defeat the anti-abuse, but the effort required means it's FAR more likely that people will just switch to something easy to use.
 
2012-08-19 02:21:44 AM  

olddinosaur: signaljammer: Heroin was OTC at the turn of the prior century, civilization survived.

Yes, but no one used it because opium and lighter drugs were also legal. Soon as opium was outlawed, people who were content to drink opium were forced to shoot heroin.

And as soon as beer and wine were outlawed in 1919, people were forced to drink 160--proof "bathtub gin."

And as soon as marijuana was outlawed, people started smoking more and more of it, and dusting it with harmful chemicals like PCP, and it also got ten times stronger.

And as soon as LSD was outlawed, we got STP, PCP, MDA, MDAA, MDMA and a whole "alphabet soup" of new chemicals.

And as soon as Ecstasy was outlawed, we got "bath salts," rohypnol and a whole slew of worse garbage.

And while I am on the subject, now that guns are under consideration for being outlawed, I am seeing a great increase in books on how to make bombs.

Yessirreee, it is sure getting interesting out there.


Excellent description of the law.
 
2012-08-19 04:06:50 AM  

Weaver95: how many times does this sort of thing have to happen before voters realize that addiction is a valid disease...? And its even treatable.


sigh
infinity plus one
sigh

if we legalized all drugs, then the cops, lawyers and prison owners would lose too much income.
sigh
 
2012-08-19 04:20:59 AM  

FriarReb98: While I agree the war is a waste, the flip side to that is that there's still certain drugs that won't ever be legal. That being said, if we merely decriminalized marijuana, I'd imagine the funds that would be freed up could be used quite nicely for rehab purposes. Problem is, people use to avoid problems and pain, caused by horrible economic circumstances, much of which is caused by big government, which funds said war on drugs and in turn pay their people to fight it. So in theory, finishing the job will actually finish your employment, so why would you want to do that??

People never recognize when they're creating a no-win situation. Either that, or the money blinds.


You know how we don't have a monarch, and religion isn't mandated, and we have a bicameral legislature. Its because we have a liberal democratic-republic, and that's a good thing.

But when you start demanding that people go into rehab, you're no longer advocating a liberal (used in the traditional sense) government. You're advocating a totalitarian government. Just accept that there are some things the government does not have the authority to do. That includes prohibiting drugs, and forcing rehabilitation.

/legalize all drugs
//screw the politicians
///don't waste your vote with the democratic-republican party
////slashies
 
2012-08-19 06:21:04 AM  
How are we going to be able to lock up pretty much anybody poor that we want if we stop these `crimes` from being illegal?

Also rehabilitation implies a previous period of habilitation that you are trying to regain. For some people there was no previous habilitation. Call it what it is, reprogramming.
 
2012-08-19 06:36:12 AM  
just buy off silk road. no one will catch u then
 
2012-08-19 09:10:44 AM  
Solution: Don't live in butt fark peterborough where the only thing to do is heroin.
 
2012-08-19 09:48:47 AM  

semiotix: On March 1, Purdue Pharma replaced OxyContin with OxyNeo, a new formulation of the oxycodone-based medication that the manufacturer says is more difficult to crush

Seriously? How on earth does that work? I'm pretty sure there's no pill out there I can't crush with enough swings of a hammer, especially if that's what stands between me and getting high on the opioid I'm addicted to.

Meth-heads are out there giving themselves the practical equivalent of masters' degrees in chemistry, but oxycontin addicts can't figure out how to crush a slightly tougher pill? Goddammit Rush Limbaugh, where are you when you actually have relevant knowledge?


They are like chewy sweet-tarts, a hammer would just flatten them out.


/Never trust a junkie
 
2012-08-19 10:37:58 AM  
Unintended? Why and for whom do you think the US military is protecting Afghan poppy fields?
 
2012-08-19 11:59:06 AM  

semiotix:
Meth-heads are out there giving themselves the practical equivalent of masters' degrees in chemistry, but oxycontin addicts can't figure out how to crush a slightly tougher pill? Goddammit Rush Limbaugh, where are you when you actually have relevant knowledge?


i wonder how you get anywhere in life by comparing the manufacturing process and users of the drug and assuming they should be equal.
 
2012-08-21 02:38:19 PM  

CelticFrost: It's simple. If you choose to become a junkie waste of life, then you receive zero help from society and are dumped into the ocean from 10,000 feet.


Yup, even if it happened while you were trying to deal with debilitating pain. Ever felt pain like that?
 
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