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2012-08-18 05:18:26 PM  
Although the article itself is well-written and factually correct, the headline couldn't be further from the truth. This teahaddi wannabe-congressman not only drinks Ryan's Kool-Aid, he's actively trying to sell it by engaging in an overt campaign of outright lying to the seniors in his district. That "pledge" of his is designed to make them feel at ease, that he's protecting their interests, when every unbiased analysis of the Rmoney/rAyn plan indicates that it will cost Medicare recipients of ALL ages more money from the first day. Add to that the fact that the right-wing plan to dismantle Medicaid means that the one in three seniors in nursing homes who rely on Medicaid for their housing, food, and care are going to be quite truly "death paneled", but it's not going to be Obamacare doing it.

It'd be really nice if the GOP didn't have to run on utter lies.
 
2012-08-18 07:30:09 PM  
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2012-08-18 07:34:29 PM  

Mildot: [nobullshiatcoach.files.wordpress.com image 400x460]


Nice summary of the Ryan Budget and Romney's policy plan.

Nice work!
 
2012-08-18 07:38:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mildot: [nobullshiatcoach.files.wordpress.com image 400x460]

Nice summary of the Ryan Budget and Romney's policy plan.

Nice work!


No no it's not bullshiat. You just need to give more monies to the rich guys. Promise. It'll work this time. Promise.
 
2012-08-18 07:38:30 PM  
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2012-08-18 07:39:31 PM  
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2012-08-18 07:43:52 PM  
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"Dear Lord American Jesus, I do not often speak with you and ask for things, but now I really must insist that you help me win the election tomorrow because I deserve it and Barack Obama doesn't, as you well know. I realize that it was your divine hand that disqualified Newt Gingrich and now I'm asking that you go that one last mile and make sure to put me in office where I belong so that I may carry out your will on earth as it is on planet heaven. Amen."

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"Dear God, I know I don't believe in you, but since I'll be starting as Vice President again soon, I thought I should at least practice. Let's see, what do I want? I want Sarah Palin to realize what a biatch she is and feel really bad and apologize for how she hurt me and know how much I still love her. In spite of everything, I still want Barack to win the election tomorrow, not that dick, Mitt. Oh, and I also want a really expensive pair of leather pants and someday I wanna be really good friends with Madonna. Love, Joe."


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"Dear God, than you for all your blessings. You've given me so many things, like good health, nice parents, a nice truck, and what I'm told is a large penis, and I'm very grateful, but I sure am worried about Joe. In my heart, I still can't believe he tore down my posters, but sometimes, he does get so weird and angry. Please help him be a happier person because he's so smart and sensitive and I love him so much. Also, I'm nervous about the election tomorrow and I guess I want to win and all, but I know that's totally up to you. You'll decide who the best person is and I'll accept it. And forgive me for my sins, whatever they may be. Amen. " 
 
2012-08-18 07:44:34 PM  

b0rg9:


So, did this article get submitted with the wrong headline?
 
2012-08-18 07:45:16 PM  
You mean the way they all ran away from it the first farking time it was brought up to vote?
 
2012-08-18 07:53:53 PM  

LordJiro: You mean the way they all ran away from it the first farking time it was brought up to vote?


I thought it passed the House. Am I thinking of something else?
 
2012-08-18 07:57:40 PM  
And I believe in individuals having the opportunity to pick their doctors and the opportunity to own their own healthcare. That's one. And then two, when you talk about these panels, you talk about ways to reduce costs. What you really hear is rationing and I think that's very fearful for the senior population.

Um, when you look at some other areas with a government run health care system like Canada, anything more than a common cold, yeah, you can have access but you don't have the quality of care that you need. I'm very fearful that they'll ration healthcare to bring down costs.


Folks are still spouting that bullshiat with a straight face?

/the right is correct about one thing: we've lost our sense of shame
 
2012-08-18 07:59:08 PM  
Take a look at Mr. Young Gun Club For Growth Strickland's campaign finance records. Count the insurance companies one by one, all giving him the most they can give.

:>I

/My surprised face.

Good article.

Headline's a little wonky.

The GOPhers are not running away from Ryancare so much as they are reworking the narrative so that Ryancare saves Medicare despite doing no such thing.
 
2012-08-18 08:10:04 PM  
I really admire Romney's commitment to being as flip-floppy as possible, through his selection of a man who wrote a budget he doesn't support and won't use if elected. That's a man who knows what the fark he's doing, let me tell you.
 
2012-08-18 08:10:05 PM  
oh geesh, the left is still trying to pretend that Soledad wasn't a lying partisan hack?
 
2012-08-18 08:13:21 PM  
crooksandliars.com

That's just depressing.
 
2012-08-18 08:17:26 PM  
The Ryan nomination did exactly what it was intended to do.

The week before when a Romney surrogate had alluded to the fact that that guy who got laid offs wife might not have died if they had lived in Mass. due to the awesomeness of Romneycare, the Right went ballistic.

Coulter, Limbaugh and the rest were sharpening the long knives. Remember? It was only a week ago. The Sunday news talk shows would have been all about the right not being able to trust Romney, "This was the moment Romney lost the election".

So we had a Saturday Morning, weeks before the convention announcement. Has that ever happened?

Anyway it seems to have worked, no one is talking about ditching Romney this week.
 
2012-08-18 08:18:22 PM  

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"Dear Lord American Jesus, I do not often speak with you and ask for things, but now I really must insist that you help me win the election tomorrow because I deserve it and Barack Obama doesn't, as you well know. I realize that it was your divine hand that disqualified Newt Gingrich and now I'm asking that you go that one last mile and make sure to put me in office where I belong so that I may carry out your will on earth as it is on planet heaven. Amen."

[i.imgur.com image 640x360]

"Dear God, I know I don't believe in you, but since I'll be starting as Vice President again soon, I thought I should at least practice. Let's see, what do I want? I want Sarah Palin to realize what a biatch she is and feel really bad and apologize for how she hurt me and know how much I still love her. In spite of everything, I still want Barack to win the election tomorrow, not that dick, Mitt. Oh, and I also want a really expensive pair of leather pants and someday I wanna be really good friends with Madonna. Love, Joe."

[i.imgur.com image 450x358]

"Dear God, than you for all your blessings. You've given me so many things, like good health, nice parents, a nice truck, and what I'm told is a large penis, and I'm very grateful, but I sure am worried about Joe. In my heart, I still can't believe he tore down my posters, but sometimes, he does get so weird and angry. Please help him be a happier person because he's so smart and sensitive and I love him so much. Also, I'm nervous about the election tomorrow and I guess I want to win and all, but I know that's totally up to you. You'll decide who the best person is and I'll accept it. And forgive me for my sins, whatever they may be. Amen. "


Pick Flick!
 
2012-08-18 08:19:43 PM  
Picking Ryan as the VP may have sunk the Republicans chances in the congress this election.
 
2012-08-18 08:20:37 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: oh geesh, the left is still trying to pretend that Soledad wasn't a lying partisan hack?


I guess telling someone the truth instead of coddling their lies makes one a partisan hack I suppose.
 
2012-08-18 08:26:08 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: oh geesh, the left is still trying to pretend that Soledad wasn't a lying partisan hack?

I guess telling someone the truth instead of coddling their lies makes one a partisan hack I suppose.


IT'S NOT FAIR! JOURNALISTS ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO GIVE GOP OPERATIVES FREE AIR TIME TO SPOUT THEIR TALKING POINT DU JOUR UNINTERRUPTED AND UNCHALLENGED! MOMMMMMYYYYYY!

That pretty much sums up tenpoundsofderp's point.
 
2012-08-18 08:34:27 PM  

stoli n coke: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: oh geesh, the left is still trying to pretend that Soledad wasn't a lying partisan hack?

I guess telling someone the truth instead of coddling their lies makes one a partisan hack I suppose.

IT'S NOT FAIR! JOURNALISTS ARE JUST SUPPOSED TO GIVE GOP OPERATIVES FREE AIR TIME TO SPOUT THEIR TALKING POINT DU JOUR UNINTERRUPTED AND UNCHALLENGED! MOMMMMMYYYYYY!

That pretty much sums up tenpoundsofderp's point.


I loved watching that interview. The lady Soledad was interviewing basically meltdown and started to spout some nonsense about death panels.

She was getting desperate. You would think a spokeswoman for a presidential campaign would be better prepared than that.
 
2012-08-18 08:38:11 PM  

brianbankerus: LordJiro: You mean the way they all ran away from it the first farking time it was brought up to vote?

I thought it passed the House. Am I thinking of something else?


March 29, 2012 House Passes Paul Ryan Budget 228-191 with zero Democrats voting for it

May 16, 2012 Republicans in Senate vote overwhelmingly for Paul Ryan's extreme budget 

Silly chickens. Look at them roosting.
 
2012-08-18 08:40:37 PM  
Their seems an honosty to Frank Luntz (unless that's studied also)

Mr Luntz life's work will be studied in detail in our lifetime and into the future
What Luntz has created will now be used by both parties against each other

The book "1984" was a warning to future people about governments defining words. Frank Luntz used George Orwell's warnings as a "how to manuel"

expatspost.com
 
2012-08-18 08:42:45 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: And I believe in individuals having the opportunity to pick their doctors and the opportunity to own their own healthcare. That's one. And then two, when you talk about these panels, you talk about ways to reduce costs. What you really hear is rationing and I think that's very fearful for the senior population.

Um, when you look at some other areas with a government run health care system like Canada, anything more than a common cold, yeah, you can have access but you don't have the quality of care that you need. I'm very fearful that they'll ration healthcare to bring down costs.

Folks are still spouting that bullshiat with a straight face?


As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.
 
2012-08-18 08:47:26 PM  

jjorsett: AliceBToklasLives: And I believe in individuals having the opportunity to pick their doctors and the opportunity to own their own healthcare. That's one. And then two, when you talk about these panels, you talk about ways to reduce costs. What you really hear is rationing and I think that's very fearful for the senior population.

Um, when you look at some other areas with a government run health care system like Canada, anything more than a common cold, yeah, you can have access but you don't have the quality of care that you need. I'm very fearful that they'll ration healthcare to bring down costs.

Folks are still spouting that bullshiat with a straight face?

As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.


Clearly we should leave it to the insurance companies to do the rationing!
 
2012-08-18 08:49:14 PM  

jjorsett: Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that?


Yes, because those people will not immediately all run to the doctor at the same time.
 
2012-08-18 08:50:11 PM  

jjorsett: As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.


Yeah!

Since when do the bottom 37million Americans even DESERVE to get a checkup! Goodfernuthin' freeloaders is what thems is.

ps, you're a dick AND a dumbass.
 
2012-08-18 08:51:57 PM  

brianbankerus: jjorsett: As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.

Yeah!

Since when do the bottom 37million Americans even DESERVE to get a checkup! Goodfernuthin' freeloaders is what thems is.

ps, you're a dick AND a dumbass.


That talking point really sickens me.

They're basically saying that we'd rather have 30+ million people sick and uninsured just so I don't have to wait a few minutes longer for a doctor.

It's literally is "got mine, fark you"
 
2012-08-18 08:52:56 PM  

jjorsett: AliceBToklasLives: And I believe in individuals having the opportunity to pick their doctors and the opportunity to own their own healthcare. That's one. And then two, when you talk about these panels, you talk about ways to reduce costs. What you really hear is rationing and I think that's very fearful for the senior population.

Um, when you look at some other areas with a government run health care system like Canada, anything more than a common cold, yeah, you can have access but you don't have the quality of care that you need. I'm very fearful that they'll ration healthcare to bring down costs.

Folks are still spouting that bullshiat with a straight face?

As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.


If you believe your doctor is not giving you quality health care for the money you give him

Go down the road and find a better doctor for your money

It's free enterprise, the better doctors will always have more patience than they can care for.
 
2012-08-18 08:58:02 PM  

Lost Thought 00: jjorsett: Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that?

Yes, because those people will not immediately all run to the doctor at the same time.


Some people are too thick-headed not to understand this.
 
2012-08-18 08:58:33 PM  

brianbankerus: jjorsett: As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.

Yeah!

Since when do the bottom 37million Americans even DESERVE to get a checkup! Goodfernuthin' freeloaders is what thems is.

ps, you're a dick AND a dumbass.


And a dumbass who doesn't know that it's hard as hell to get an appointment with a good doctor anyway. Neither my GP or my allergist are even taking new patients.
 
2012-08-18 08:59:33 PM  

Bocasio: the better doctors will always have more patience than they can care for.


lol.
 
2012-08-18 09:03:47 PM  

LarryDan43: Picking Ryan as the VP may have sunk the Republicans chances in the congress this election.


Somehow I highly doubt it. And if the GOP wins the Senate and Obama wins, absolutely nothing will get done.
 
2012-08-18 09:04:43 PM  

jjorsett: As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.


You realize checkups and preventative care take up a lot less time than when those 37 million people have conditions that don't get looked at until they are in the ER, or worse yet it develops into a long-term health problem or serious disease. You also realize that you pay for their care through increased insurance premiums to make up for those that can't suddenly afford the several thousand dollar bill they incurred. You also realize that "rationing" already happens, but it's an insurance company actuary deciding that you are no longer profitable so you can fark off and die. You do realize that the free market you worship will respond to any additional need for doctors by increasing pay, which will lead to several factors such as increased people applying for med school, doctors and nurses staying in the field longer because of the temporarily higher wages, and med schools increasing the size of their programs which will pump more doctors into the workforce.

Of course you realize all those things. You just wanted to spout your bullshiat.
 
2012-08-18 09:06:18 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: And I believe in individuals having the opportunity to pick their doctors and the opportunity to own their own healthcare. That's one. And then two, when you talk about these panels, you talk about ways to reduce costs. What you really hear is rationing and I think that's very fearful for the senior population.

Um, when you look at some other areas with a government run health care system like Canada, anything more than a common cold, yeah, you can have access but you don't have the quality of care that you need. I'm very fearful that they'll ration healthcare to bring down costs.

Folks are still spouting that bullshiat with a straight face?

/the right is correct about one thing: we've lost our sense of shame


As someone who moved to Canada from the US, I can only guess that 'quality of care' means fighting against your insurance company to get care approved. And we had a so-called 'cadillac' insurance policy in the US.

And anyway, I thought half the people in Florida were Canadians. It's a good thing they're too polite to shout 'BS!' from the crowd.
 
2012-08-18 09:06:33 PM  
If the argument is

"doctors can't be found to treat ALL patients in America"
Then I suppose it could also be hard to find a doctor named Dr Patel

Your running out of excuses to care for the poor
 
2012-08-18 09:08:01 PM  

Mrtraveler01: They're basically saying that we'd rather have 30+ million people sick and uninsured just so I don't have to wait a few minutes longer for a doctor.

It's literally is "got mine, fark you"


And what they fail to comprehend is that these people STILL GET SICK. They end up in the emergency room for $1100 in uncompensated care, rather than getting a $200 fix from them having a doctor. They're so short-sighted they'd rather let them be sick and pay 5x as much.

For that matter, they don't understand that treating pneumonia costs a few bucks at the doctors office, but that same patient untreated will end up with a hospital stay of 3-5 days at, what, $2000/day?

They've got so much hate in them they really can't even look out for their own best interests.
 
2012-08-18 09:10:36 PM  

Bocasio: "how to manuel"


sniderogue.files.wordpress.com

I LEARN ENGLISH FROM A BOOK
 
2012-08-18 09:10:49 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: oh geesh, the left is still trying to pretend that Soledad wasn't a lying partisan hack?


Oh, bless your heart.
 
2012-08-18 09:12:03 PM  

jjorsett:
As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.


"You'll pay no more for my plan"--

I'm a small business owner, and when I shop for health insurance I have no way of comparing one insurance plan to another because they're all 80 pages long and throw in some many exceptions and details its impossible to see which plan is a better deal. And that's by design. The point of the health care exchanges is to have insurance companies compete on an apples-to-apples basis, which they've never done before. Once people can shop based on accurate cost/benefit info the price will come down.

"Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before"

The Affordable Care Act is being gradually fazed in, during which time the demand for physicians will rise and medical schools will gear up to fulfill that demand. The free market at work. Demand was already going up as boomers are getting older and need more medical care.
 
2012-08-18 09:12:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: That talking point really sickens me.

They're basically saying that we'd rather have 30+ million people sick and uninsured just so I don't have to wait a few minutes longer for a doctor.

It's literally is "got mine, fark you"


I was assured by two Republicans at work Friday that there's TONS of free clinics all over the place that the tax payers already pay for so there's no need for Obamacare. Why, one even knew of one that was 50 miles from her house, that's close enough for a poor person to go to.
 
2012-08-18 09:12:20 PM  

themindiswatching: LarryDan43: Picking Ryan as the VP may have sunk the Republicans chances in the congress this election.

Somehow I highly doubt it. And if the GOP wins the Senate and Obama wins, absolutely nothing will get done.


Considering the nature of all of the legislation initiated by a Republican led House over the last two years, "absolutely nothing" would be a step in a positive direction.
 
2012-08-18 09:21:04 PM  

thamike: Bocasio: "how to manuel"

[sniderogue.files.wordpress.com image 290x220]

I LEARN ENGLISH FROM A BOOK


weknowmemes.com

/Remember boys and girls one hand washes the other
 
2012-08-18 09:24:52 PM  
Ah, "rationing". I keep hearing that, Obamacare is going to lead to rationing. Here's a question: when you have a resource, and the demand for that resource outstrips your ability to supply it, access to that resource is getting rationed. When people can't pay for health care, that's rationing.

While I'm no fan of the ACA (I'm also no fan of the system it's a half-assed patch upon), its an attempt to manage the supply more efficiently and thus reduce rationing.
 
2012-08-18 09:33:28 PM  

Bocasio: '
The book "1984" was a warning to future people about governments defining words. Frank Luntz used George Orwell's warnings as a "how to manuel"


How to what now?
scrapetv.com
 
2012-08-18 09:34:55 PM  
Ooh! Look at him scootch! Get the broom!
 
2012-08-18 09:45:04 PM  
/ladies and gentlemen I give you The Republican Party

/wave to the crowd GOP
/watch your step on the way down
 
2012-08-18 09:48:56 PM  

thamike: [crooksandliars.com image 425x281]

That's just depressing.


Yea I know you would at least expect one of those old goats to make a pass at that young woman. Old men ain't, what they used to be
 
2012-08-18 09:49:34 PM  

jjorsett: AliceBToklasLives: And I believe in individuals having the opportunity to pick their doctors and the opportunity to own their own healthcare. That's one. And then two, when you talk about these panels, you talk about ways to reduce costs. What you really hear is rationing and I think that's very fearful for the senior population.

Um, when you look at some other areas with a government run health care system like Canada, anything more than a common cold, yeah, you can have access but you don't have the quality of care that you need. I'm very fearful that they'll ration healthcare to bring down costs.

Folks are still spouting that bullshiat with a straight face?

As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.


An ounce of prevention is worth tenpoundsofderp.
 
2012-08-18 09:50:18 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: jjorsett: As opposed to bullshiat like, "you'll pay no more for my plan", and "if you like your doctor, you can keep him"? As for rationing, Obamacare is going to result in what, 37 million more people on the rolls, and they and everyone else will be entitled to "free" checkups, mammograms, etc.? Do you think the existing pool of physicians is going to be able to deliver the same level of care as before when it'shiat with all that? Rationing can be the only result unless you have a way to clone an army of new doctors.

You realize checkups and preventative care take up a lot less time than when those 37 million people have conditions that don't get looked at until they are in the ER, or worse yet it develops into a long-term health problem or serious disease. You also realize that you pay for their care through increased insurance premiums to make up for those that can't suddenly afford the several thousand dollar bill they incurred. You also realize that "rationing" already happens, but it's an insurance company actuary deciding that you are no longer profitable so you can fark off and die. You do realize that the free market you worship will respond to any additional need for doctors by increasing pay, which will lead to several factors such as increased people applying for med school, doctors and nurses staying in the field longer because of the temporarily higher wages, and med schools increasing the size of their programs which will pump more doctors into the workforce.

Of course you realize all those things. You just wanted to spout your bullshiat.


Forget the healthcare debate, what's really bugging him is the fact that A BLACK MAN IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
 
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