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(Sydney Morning Herald)   DVDs to be made obsolete by new Chinese disks   (smh.com.au) divider line 159
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2003-11-20 01:13:26 AM
-the new technology is CHEAPER, yet the players are more expensive than a DVD player.......huh?

economies of scale

FYI: NTSC = Never The Same Color
 
2003-11-20 01:17:49 AM
spincut:

-the new technology is CHEAPER, yet the players are more expensive than a DVD player.......huh?


Well, DVD players cost more than that when they first came out. It's pretty cheap considering how new it is. I'm waiting for the Bulgarians to invent something cool. Their currency is so worthless that an American could pay a quarter of what it was worth. That's a lot considering how bad the USD has gotten since GW took office. We're almost as bad as Canadians and Aussies now.
 
2003-11-20 01:19:36 AM
nutkick_42 just like minidisks did to cds

not quite. minidiscs sound quality is not an improvement on cd, ATRAC is just a compression algorithm. contrary to what sony of america said, minidiscs were not supposed to be a replacement for cds, rather tapes for mixes. finally, minidiscs were only a flop in america, this EVD will be a flop everywhere.

If you're looking for the replacement of DVDs ... look forward to Blu-Ray
 
2003-11-20 01:19:58 AM
Spamdog:

PAL may have 625 lines, but you're only getting it at 50 fps. With NTSC, you sacrafice a few lines for a much better 60 fps. Plus, it's hard to find a T.V. that doesn't support both signals.

As for EVDs, I seriously doubt we'll see a large market for them over here. Unless the picture quality is vastly better, it'll be a flop.
 
2003-11-20 01:20:34 AM
You fools!

Blu-ray discs won't catch on! They hold, what - 12 hours of video compared to the DVD's 3-4? Sure, that's wonderful, but essentially its the same storage medium, right? What's so special about them? People aren't going to buy something that holds 12 hours of video is a movie is only 2 hours long.
 
2003-11-20 01:21:40 AM
It's like watching a train wreck in slow motion. Hollywood, RIAA, USA laws are creating a situation where the very product they wish to protect will be less desired.
 
2003-11-20 01:22:39 AM
He_Hate_Me
"Ha! The Chinese are so cute when they try to make things that aren't fireworks or little pieces of molded plastic. I'll watch a movie on a Chinese disc the day I drive one of those little toys that the Japanese make and insist on calling cars!

oh..."

0lorin


He_Hate_Me

"Right, so what are you going to buy, an AMERICAN car? Personally I only buy Japanese and German cars, they actually place some emphasis on quality engineering, reliability and ease of maintenance, rather than on imcorporated planned obselescnece to make sure we need a new one as soon as the warranty ends."


Don't try to get too clever around here, trying to make subtle jokes about peoples prejudices.They did'nt pick up the "oh..." without which the ENTIRE CONTEXT OF YOUR POST is missed.
 
2003-11-20 01:25:02 AM
this morning i was on the train (we call it 'the trolley' here heh...)on the way to work listening to my radio and reading a book.

our reputed perpetual sunny climate is supposed to make clouds obsolete. i looked out the window and thought about how computers was supposed to make books disappear and about how mp3 was supposed to kill radio.
 
2003-11-20 01:25:44 AM
Microwavable

It's doubtful that the Blu-Ray disc will be used for movies for some time. However, for storing files, it is a huge improvement, mainly due to the fact that blue lasers can store more information than red lasers.
 
2003-11-20 01:25:45 AM
"Sacrifice a few lines"? NTSC has 100 less lines than PAL. Not that I even care about this chinese crap that will mostly be used for pirate movies.
 
2003-11-20 01:26:37 AM
Derek

Heh, didn't stop Harry Potter from being a bestseller.
 
2003-11-20 01:27:12 AM
MAEST,

That blu-ray link is pretty cool. Do you know what's in the works for the next-generation audio cd's ?

You're right about the minidiscs being way below CD quality. Not many people may remember, but Sony's DAT format was set to be the next big digital recording format, until the RIAA took Sony to court. The RIAA forced Sony to install copy protection on any consumer DAT deck they sold, and are widely credited with killing the format before it started. It's a shame too, they really are great decks. I sold mine when CDR's caught on, and still regret selling it.
 
2003-11-20 01:27:54 AM
Spamdog:

So? PAl only has 50 fps. Take your pick. Do you want more lines or more frames per second? I'll take the fps, thanks!
 
2003-11-20 01:28:16 AM
China did this with VCD too, when they came out with SVCD.
 
2003-11-20 01:28:55 AM
nutkick_42 just like minidisks did to cds

not quite. minidiscs sound quality is not an improvement on cd, ATRAC is just a compression algorithm. contrary to what sony of america said, minidiscs were not supposed to be a replacement for cds, rather tapes for mixes. finally, minidiscs were only a flop in america, this EVD will be a flop everywhere.

If you're looking for the replacement of DVDs ... look forward to Blu-Ray
 
2003-11-20 01:33:01 AM
Baron-Harkonnen, I'll take the lines. What you see in a movie theater is NTSC film, 23.976 fps and looks just fine.... but who's counting? :)
 
2003-11-20 01:34:58 AM
Baron-Harkonnen : really i am having trouble finding them.

special in a rear projection, newer lcds and plasmas might.

plus its arguable if 60fps is better than 50fps, consider the speed of film, though it does mean faster gaming sometimes

its also 100 lines difference, not just a few

NTSC never the same colour
 
2003-11-20 01:41:41 AM
I miss beta. Beta porn on an old school projection tv. Mmm.
 
2003-11-20 01:43:28 AM
I've built a respectable dvd collection, and now these asshats want to bring out something else? Thats just gay.
 
2003-11-20 01:44:00 AM
No, in the beginning they WERE Called "Digital Video Disks" because that's what they were trying to sell them as. They only changed to "Digital Versatile Disk" after they became popular enough to try and expand in such a way as to try to replace CDs as the media of choice for many other things. It is just marketing. Really, if they made up the name in the first place do you really think they would have chosen something as aquard as "Digital Versatile Disk"? They were stuck on coming up with a V word and had to go with Versatile, cause there was little other choice.
 
2003-11-20 01:47:01 AM
Hi, I just popped in to point out that CHINA AND JAPAN ARE DIFFERENT FARKING COUNTRIES.
 
2003-11-20 01:48:42 AM
Oh, and since when does 'oh...' at the end of a post indicate sarcasm?

/you can do this again, btw
 
2003-11-20 01:54:41 AM
2003-11-20 01:20:34 AM microwavable
You fools!

Blu-ray discs won't catch on! They hold, what - 12 hours of video compared to the DVD's 3-4? Sure, that's wonderful, but essentially its the same storage medium, right? What's so special about them? People aren't going to buy something that holds 12 hours of video is a movie is only 2 hours long.


Tell that to anybody who has bought a "special commemorative" 2-DVD set--or worse yet, the Lord of the Rings I & II extended versions (weighing in at 4 discs apiece--2 just for the movie, and 2 for the extras). Or perhaps those full-season TV series DVD sets--wouldn't it be great to have an entire season of Family Guy (just for example), plus extras, on one little disc?

That's what Blu-Ray is for, and that's why I'm champing at the bit for it.
 
2003-11-20 01:56:25 AM
2003-11-20 01:26:37 AM Baron-Harkonnen


Derek

Heh, didn't stop Harry Potter from being a bestseller.

---

the flicks or the books?
 
2003-11-20 02:00:26 AM
nutkick_42 just like minidisks did to cds

not quite. minidiscs sound quality is not an improvement on cd, ATRAC is just a compression algorithm. contrary to what sony of america said, minidiscs were not supposed to be a replacement for cds, rather tapes for mixes. finally, minidiscs were only a flop in america, this EVD will be a flop everywhere.

If you're looking for the replacement of DVDs ... look forward to Blu-Ray
 
2003-11-20 02:05:13 AM
OK, somebody really needs to stop MAEST from hitting the damn refresh button...
 
2003-11-20 02:05:19 AM
I hate my life. I was wondering why my post was always on the bottom every time I refreshed ... it was because in my idiocy, I was resubmitting my post. Sorry people.
 
2003-11-20 02:12:54 AM
I'd like to point out that Blu-Ray isn't specifically for l2 hour movies; it's so they can put high-definition video on there.

What they really need is a better compression method than Mpeg2.


Microsoft is working on using WindowsMedia9 video for high-def capable video on standard DVD's. The Extreme Edition of Terminator2 had an extra wm9 dvd with it. Panasonic (i believe, could be someone else) has a standalone wm9 player coming out next year.

Before anyone starts saying this will fail completely, keep in mind that people with dvd recorders will then be able to burn their own stuff in high-def that they can play back on a player that isn't significantly more expensive than a standard progressive scan player. I look forward to it, even if it is just a stop-gap measure.

The other point to make? Some theater groups have already starting using digital projectors that run ... that's right, wm9 high def video. So there is already some content available. It just needs to hit the market.

Though Blu-Ray will still win out long-term.
 
2003-11-20 02:15:13 AM
This EVD format will never work. I go to Shanghai, China often and why would I pay full price for an EVD disk, when there are stalls everywhere that sell pirate DVD movies at less than $1 U.S. The average income of the Chinese being so low, would anyone there would spend an equivalent 1 week wages on a EVD?
 
2003-11-20 02:18:59 AM
just when I finally gave in and went to DVD.
 
2003-11-20 02:25:45 AM
No one needs to worry about this. It will not catch on, especially since DVD is firmly entrenched as this generation's video format. It would cost far too much for negligible difference in quality for the entire industry to change. Its not going to happen - its that simple.
 
2003-11-20 02:26:17 AM
but is this zombocom? can you do anything?

yes... i didnt think so!
 
2003-11-20 02:27:39 AM
So? PAl only has 50 fps. Take your pick. Do you want more lines or more frames per second? I'll take the fps, thanks!

Anything over 50 fps and your eye can't tell the difference anyhow, so I would rather have the extra lines.
 
2003-11-20 02:29:54 AM
Acronym roulette:

DVD = Digital Versatile Disk
VHS = Victor Helical Scan
NTSC = National Television Standards Committee
RIAA = not really sure but I think "assholes" is in there somewhere

and finally,
"aquard" = the most AWKWARD spelling of "awkward" I've ever seen!!!
 
2003-11-20 02:30:43 AM
CD's(red laser)-> DVD's (orange laser) -> Blu-Ray(blue laser)
That leaves indigo and finally the violet laser to usurp them all. I know! The Ultra-violet laser! Sniff Sniff Anyone smell burning plastic?
Poor yellow and green got farked over by blue.
 
2003-11-20 02:34:39 AM
I don't want extra lines if it means mpeg decoding.

I noticed at Best Buy the other day that on the big HDTV's - being ran off of DVD's - I can't help but notice the large areas of color being jaggy.

Which makes me ask -

Why is it CHINA is looking for a better DVD format, and already have high-def tvs...?
 
2003-11-20 02:37:15 AM
0Lorin is obviously not an import auto technician.
 
2003-11-20 02:40:05 AM
and another thing.... film has 24 (ok, 23 and change) FRAMES per second, PAL has 50 FIELDS (half a frame) per second, that's 25 FPS for the math-impaired - NTSC is 60 fields or 30 frames per second. It's all based on the household current that provides the timing in the respective countries, 60 Hz AC in the US, 50 in the UK. It's all gonna be irrelevant once we all switch to HD in 720P or 1080I or 720I or 1080P or..... my head hurts.
 
2003-11-20 02:42:27 AM
and another thing.... film has 24 (ok, 23 and change) FRAMES per second, PAL has 50 FIELDS (half a frame) per second, that's 25 FPS for the math-impaired - NTSC is 60 fields or 30 frames per second. It's all based on the household current that provides the timing in the respective countries, 60 Hz AC in the US, 50 in the UK. It's all gonna be irrelevant once we all switch to HD in 720P or 1080I or 720I or 1080P or..... my head hurts.
 
2003-11-20 02:45:09 AM
ooops

anybody wanna know the difference between drop-frame and non-drop-frame time code? I could reload that one a few times, too.

/gonna quit being such a noob any day now
 
2003-11-20 02:48:28 AM
NTSC "Never Twice the Same Colour"
 
2003-11-20 02:54:19 AM
Couldn't they have waited for blu-ray discs? Sheesh.. those things hold like 30gb!
 
2003-11-20 03:03:05 AM
Whoops, someone ought to fix that refresh=add post bug.

I like the protective case for this thing, thats the problem nowadays with cds/dvds. They're much to fragile.

 
2003-11-20 03:05:28 AM
Baron-Harkonnen
So? PAl only has 50 fps. Take your pick. Do you want more lines or more frames per second? I'll take the fps, thanks!

Being that movies are only 24 frames per seconds, there is absolutely no gain in going to 30 frames per seconds. So, considering I use my TV only to watch DVDs, I'll take the extra-lines over the extra-frales.
And yes, to me, PAL looks better than NTSC (and I've seen them both).
 
2003-11-20 03:16:22 AM
2003-11-20 01:20:34 AM microwavable

You fools!

Blu-ray discs won't catch on! They hold, what - 12 hours of video compared to the DVD's 3-4? Sure, that's wonderful, but essentially its the same storage medium, right? What's so special about them? People aren't going to buy something that holds 12 hours of video is a movie is only 2 hours long.


Well, they can make a new standard.. more information on the disk means they can have more data per frame making a better quality video.

Blu-ray won't catch on.. NOTHING will catch on untill the standard household tv can display better-than-DVD quality pictures. By that point, something even better will have come along and that is what will be mass marketted.
 
2003-11-20 03:22:41 AM
I haven't been impressed with HDTV. Doesn't blow me away. I DID see experimental SuperHDTV and that DID blow me away. I'll wait for that, if I don't die of old age first.
 
2003-11-20 03:23:58 AM
NTSC was introduced to me in one of my EE classes as National Television System Committee.
 
2003-11-20 03:34:50 AM
Raizok
your damn right, the amount of cd's I've almost broken cause I'm too lazy to pick them up and I stand on them, true this is my fault and I should have a system but they still break. But I'd still like stronger dvds/cds
 
2003-11-20 03:45:04 AM
Man, I can't wait to get myself a Changhong player.


Also, I can't believe some people actually thought NTSC was better than PAL. Hahaha.
 
2003-11-20 03:45:31 AM
Feh.

I'm gonna wait for EVD or maybe even FVD.

/have no idea what I'm talking about
 
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