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2012-08-18 01:55:59 PM
6 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world. In fact, I suspect that if more Christians had her world view - we'd be in a much better place. Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me. 'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Elitist much?
2012-08-18 11:54:43 AM
6 votes:
As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.
2012-08-18 12:27:36 PM
5 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.
2012-08-18 09:07:09 AM
5 votes:
There's four pages of that shiat? The apocalypse is not going to happen. There, done.
2012-08-18 01:29:33 PM
4 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


As a fellow atheist the only thing that annoys me more than fundies spouting their nonsense is completely rational and logic people that are totally intolerant of others views, and more so, are complete assholes about it. You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject, but what I won't do is laugh in your face, spit on you, then run away waving my dick at the crowd. Like you did in your post.

From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church. You will drive more people away because they will associate atheism with disrespectful, name calling pricks, rather than people with a rational and thoughtful approach to life.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.
2012-08-18 12:26:17 PM
4 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.
2012-08-18 12:24:25 PM
4 votes:
A lot of the environmental / pollution related 'apocalypse' talk didn't come true because actions were actually taken to stop dumping poison and filth into the air and water. See, that is the difference between Lefty doom and Conservative doom. The Left wants to stop the terrible thing from happening, while the Right embraces it.
2012-08-18 12:01:27 PM
4 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.
2012-08-18 02:40:16 PM
3 votes:

Honest Bender: GammaTitan: Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

You don't have to be sarcastic. I'm not tolerant of all view points. Neither are you. You're being rather intolerant of my view point, after all :-)

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world.

I doubt Tiger's individual opinion makes much of an impact on the world. In general, no one person's views do. But if you'll recall, my criticism was that religion in general is detrimental and support of religion contributes to the perpetuation of that detrimental societal factor.

Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me.

My views are rational. I don't pretend to have an understanding of the unknowable.

'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Actually, it's more along the lines of, "You believe THAT? That's a stupid thing to believe in! My beliefs are based on quantifiable, testable data and adjusted to fit the most up to date information available to me." I'm such an elitist...

I'd also like to point out that you criticized me for being intolerant of other people's view points while simultaneously showing your intolerance for my view point... You then criticized me for insulting people (which I never did) and then you insulted me.


Define stupid? YOU think it's stupid. 80%+ of the people of the planet, on the other hand, do not think it's stupid. Your beliefs are just that, beliefs. Attacking someone for not holding your beliefs is, in fact, being an elitist - because you believe your belief structure is elite to others.

And if you TRULY believe what you believe then calling someone stupid is the best way to get them to change their worldview, right? Because insulting people is the best way to get people to change their minds and has shown to work so well over history. ::end sarcasm::

And for the record, I criticized your sanctimonious reaction to her opinion, not the opinion itself. You may be right. Tiger may be right."My beliefs are based on quantifiable, testable data and adjusted to fit the most up to date information available to me." Fact is, you don't know. A 1000 years ago, the most testable data said the earth was the center of the universe, 500 years ago its said the world was flat, 100 years ago its said the Milky way galaxy was the observable universe and 50 years ago the universe was solid state. To quote a movie, 'imagine what you'll KNOW tomorrow.' (ironically, to the point of the thread, it was found that the universe had come into existence following closer to the biblical theory than the 'accepted' scientific theory of 50 years ago). I appreciate you might be right, I appreciate that Tiger might be right. I am smart enough to say, 'I don't know - let's hear from both sides.'

Civil discourse is a lost art these days and has given way to the 'If you don't agree with me, then fark you.' mentality. And to agree with you Bender, the religious people who hold that view scare me. Unfortunately the atheists who hold the same view, scare me just as much.
2012-08-18 12:42:49 PM
3 votes:

Weaver95: lj1330: Now that's a scary thought. The people most likely to survive will be those survivalist nutjobs.

lucky for us most of them can't shoot straight OR cooperate with each other even if their lives depended on it.


Depends on the survivalist in question.
Some of them plan to take a rifle and go inna woods... I doubt they'll last long.
The ones in good shape will maybe live a few years at best.

The are others that go in the tribal/community direction. Which means to circle the wagons with your neighbors and try to rebuild with whatever is at hand. You aren't stockpiling food so much as knowledge and capability (altho a few grain stashes and guns don't hurt).
The moral choices will be harder for those than the isolationists, but my bets are that people hold out the longest as a group.

Trying to outlast the apocalypse on your own isn't really a plan in my book.
Since we don't know the shape of what will doom us, as a group we are the most adaptable to different scenarios.
2012-08-18 12:27:42 PM
3 votes:

Ima4nic8or: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.


Or maybe the discontinuation of the production and use of the worst chemicals actually did what it was supposed to. The hole gradually shrank and society moved on. Also, the predictions in a couple non-peer reviewed magazines (Time) of cooling in the 70s were dwarfed even then by mounting data suggesting warming which was being published in Nature.
2012-08-18 12:24:06 PM
3 votes:
"The sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in 26000 years"
In relation to what exactly is it aligned?
2012-08-18 11:56:42 AM
3 votes:

great_tigers: Stop, please stop.


Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.
2012-08-18 03:39:35 PM
2 votes:
I wasn't going to chime in on this until I saw this post:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


If the world does end anytime soon, it will not be because of natural causes. It will be because of intolerant dipshiats like you pissing off other intolerant dipshiats. The thing is... you just have a keyboard to start your shiat and react to shiat. A few of those intolerant dipshiats have militaries and bombs that can take out whole cities at their disposal. Your and their hate is a detriment to society on a much larger scale.

Stop, please stop.
2012-08-18 03:26:42 PM
2 votes:

whconner4: Any allegiance to this faith does some harm to us all


I simply don't understand that viewpoint at all. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I don't see some value in believing in a higher power. For some, it provides the motivation to do good towards others and make the world a better place. You could make the argument that they are simply behaving due to a fear of hell or damnation, but I rather see it as they are inherently good people who feel that religion happens to fit their particular viewpoint. I have many Christian friends, as I said earlier in the thread, and they're simply decent people who work as hard as anyone else, help others and generally want everyone to be happy. Of all the religious people I've met, the number who are repressive, anti-science, anti-progress, anti-women, anti-gay are the vast, vast minority. (blah blah, anecdotal evidence, blah blah)

Maybe it's the simply due to the difference between religious groups in Canada in the US, but I just don't run into these end of the world is nigh/the gays are ruining everything/abortion is murder types very often.

I just won't define an entire group of several billion people by their loudest, douchiest (and usually numerically insignificant) members.
2012-08-18 03:19:54 PM
2 votes:
George Will has a column today, "Why Doom Has Not Materialized." Looks like one of these was ripping off the other (though they were both dated yesterday, so I don't know which).

TFA: The best-selling book The Limits to Growth was published 40 years ago by the Club of Rome ... The book forecast that if use continued to accelerate exponentially, world reserves of several metals could run out by 1992...

Will: That year begat "The Limits to Growth," a book from the Club of Rome... [MIT] modelers examined 19 commodities and said that 12 would be gone long before now - aluminum, copper, gold, lead, mercury, molybdenum, natural gas, oil, silver, tin, tungsten and zinc.

TFA: "Some scientists estimate that the world's known supplies of oil, tin, copper, and aluminum will be used up within your lifetime," one read. In fact, as the results of a famous wager between Paul Ehrlich and economist Julian Simon later documented, the metals did not run out.

Will: In 1980, economist Julian Simon made a wager in the form of a complex futures contract. He bet Paul Ehrlich ... that by 1990 the price of any five commodities Ehrlich and his advisers picked would be lower than in 1980. Ehrlich's group picked five metals. All were cheaper in 1990.

Will's column has one advantage: it's only a page long.
2012-08-18 02:50:58 PM
2 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com

Don't tell me the end is not near.
2012-08-18 02:23:20 PM
2 votes:

Trance354: While this may have been a hallucination, something brought on by the lack of oxygen in my system, or the effect of the alcohol(I've outed myself as a recovering drunk on here before), what I can not explain away is the sudden and complete sobriety after the experience. I haven't touched a drop since. I am currently in college(again) for the knowledge to build the entirety of the bunker described above, as well as some nifty inventions that have been caterwalling around my noggin for the last few years. In short, I believe I have had it made painfully obvious there is a higher power, and while he/she/it doesn't intervene much, you should listen when it does happen. I do not post much, nor am I pushing my views on you or others. I am quietly making this world a better place, and working toward a higher goal.


Yeah we call that a God moment. It's awesome. People that don't have one won't get it and it can't be explained. There is no point in trying to explain it to Atheists but the phrase "there are no Atheists in a foxhole" does hold water.
2012-08-18 02:04:14 PM
2 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


Fairies have tails? ;) In all seriousness, I understand what you are saying; I simply disagree with it. How is my personal faith and way of life - which I do not attempt to force on anyone else (because I firmly believe that to do so would be just as wrong as I firmly believe you attempting to force your lack of a personal faith on me is) a detriment to society? My way of life is to treat others as I would like to be treated, to be kind, and to be of service. Though I don't always succeed, because I am human and I make a lot of mistakes every day, I try to leave every place and person a little better than they were when I arrived, even if it's just by being kind and smiling (and no, I don't give a royal damn about politics, sexuality, race, or religion - those matters are not mine to judge because I am singularly unqualified to do so). I fail to see how that can possibly be a detriment to society. But hey - like an old fisherman taught me many years ago: opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and some of them stink.


miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?


In my case, both. And always, it is people who have no reading comprehension and take things out of context to "prove" their point. Personally, I believe God gave us brains and the ability to use them for a reason. The fact that many who call themselves Christians do not do so reflects horribly on not only them, but those of us who actually read the bible in context and actually make the effort to do what it says.

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


If that's the sort of teaching your mother-in-law is reading, no wonder you're frustrated. The teaching cited in that link takes the cited passage completely out of context. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about eschatology "teachers" and preachers and teachers in general within Churchianity today. Not only do they take passages and verses out of context (I can take a sentence from the bible out of context and tell you that the bible states "there is no God," but I would be taking it utterly out of context and deliberately lying to you about what the bible says) in order to make the scripture say what they want it to say, but they have no understanding of Hebrew, Aramaic, or Koine Greek nor do they understand or care that everything - even in the New Testament - cannot be understood so long as it continues to be utterly scrubbed of its inherent Judaism. If a teacher doesn't understand the Feasts, he cannot teach eschatology because everything about Jesus as Savior and Messiah (scrub him of his Jewishness and you may as well just scrub him entirely, to be honest) revolves around the Feasts as outlined in the Old Testament that much of the church likes to pretend don't exist.

That passage in that link specifically refers to Daniel's prophecy that refers to "the time of the end," and frankly, I don't know where he gets his 2300 years from. It's literal. "Days" is translated "evenings and mornings," even by Karaite scholars, since that's the calendar he's cited as using.
2012-08-18 01:43:43 PM
2 votes:

Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?


They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.
2012-08-18 01:04:14 PM
2 votes:

way south: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.


I tolerate religion. I don`t like it and I don`t respect it.

Think about the meaning of these sentences

"Your words have given me hope for the world"
"I like your words"
"I respect your words"
"I don`t like your words"
"I tolerate your words"
"I despise your words but still tolerate them"
"You have the right to express yourself with those words"
"Your words are harmful to everyone around you, I don`t like you saying them and I wish you would stop, but I will tolerate them"
"Your religion is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small. Stop, please stop."

If I were to say that "my opinion is that everyone should have sex with their own children whilst beating their wife (who they keep like a slave) and their slaves and the children they forcefully had with said slaves."


See how blanket respect fails when people have idiotic ideas? Respect is earned, it is not and should not be automatic for everyone. Not everyone deserves it.

You don`t have to like something or respect something to tolerate it. More christians should realise this when expressing christan `tolerance`
2012-08-18 12:55:03 PM
2 votes:

great_tigers: I just think the whole "the end is near" adds fuel to it.


It just seems like some people are looking forward to it. And I don't mean the rednecks who build compounds and stock up on guns in hope that the Ruskies or the zombies or our own government will come after them and they get to kick ass. I've played enough video games to know that would be hella fun. But the religious zealots who are actually looking forward to the Rapture, where they're all beamed to Heaven, it just seems like such a waste of life to look forward to that, even if you did believe in it.
2012-08-18 12:30:45 PM
2 votes:

Honest Bender: Your religion is a fairy tail.


Stop, please stop.
2012-08-18 12:29:43 PM
2 votes:

Mugato: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

If you think Christians are "targeted" more it's because of the evangelical Christians who push what they think is the morality part of Christianity while ignoring everything that Jesus actually said. That's why it's "targeted" more.


This. I think it is very detrimental to have one person push their faith on another one. You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Instead of standing on a corner and telling people what their sins are while ignoring my own sins I will sit by and work on my own flaws. I respect peoples opinions. I realize that nothing I say will change someones opinion on here.

I just think the whole "the end is near" adds fuel to it.
2012-08-18 12:24:58 PM
2 votes:

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


If you think Christians are "targeted" more it's because of the evangelical Christians who push what they think is the morality part of Christianity while ignoring everything that Jesus actually said. That's why it's "targeted" more.
2012-08-18 12:15:30 PM
2 votes:

great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.


See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.
2012-08-18 12:02:04 PM
2 votes:
I ain't worried until I look up on that stage and see Max Quordlepleen.
2012-08-18 11:55:23 AM
2 votes:
2012-08-18 11:47:15 AM
2 votes:
Please. There's nothing that would please me more than seeing all of the idiots around me suffer and die.
2012-08-18 11:45:40 AM
2 votes:
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it's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!
2012-08-18 09:11:20 AM
2 votes:

Mugato: There's four pages of that shiat? The apocalypse is not going to happen. There, done.


Sure, that is EXACTLY what THEY want us to think!
2012-08-19 11:44:19 AM
1 votes:

Honest Bender: Psychohazard: Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.

I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make. Are you trying to say I'm an atheistic fundamentalist and therefore a dick? My dickishness aside, I like to think of myself as a scientist. I don't pretend to know the origin of the universe or life or whatever. I recognize that I don't have sufficient data to make a decision.

The problem I have with religion is that, as a whole, it has a detrimental effect on society. It doesn't matter what your personal contribution is. That's irrelevant. By propagating religious beliefs, you're contributing, however small, to the notion that religion is an acceptable thing to have in our society. You're contributing to the validity of the fundamentalists.

Asking me to be tolerant of religious beliefs is, to me, the same as asking me to be tolerant of criminals and hate groups. Because, like, they just have a different opinion, man.


Sorry about the late reply. That said, you say that you think yourself a scientist, and then, in the next paragraph say that religion, as whole, has a detrimental effect on society. Where's your scientific evidence of this? Is it purely observational? Are you that certain of yourself that you want individual's and societies to completely change their behavior based on this evidence? Scientists doubt themselves. You may think yourself a scientist, but you don't think like a scientist.

Instead, you seem to use other people's religion as an excuse to be a dick to them.
2012-08-18 05:34:43 PM
1 votes:

dready zim: way south: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.

I tolerate religion. I don`t like it and I don`t respect it.

Think about the meaning of these sentences

"Your words have given me hope for the world"
"I like your words"
"I respect your words"
"I don`t like your words"
"I tolerate your words"
"I despise your words but still tolerate them"
"You have the right to express yourself with those words"
"Your words are harmful to everyone around you, I don`t like you saying them and I wish you would stop, but I will tolerate them"
"Your religion is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small. Stop, please stop."

If I were to say that "my opinion is that everyone should have sex with their own children whilst beating their wife (who they keep like a slave) and their slaves and the children they forcefully had with said slaves."


See how blanket respect fails when people have idiotic ideas? Respect is earned, it is not and should not be automatic for everyone. Not everyone deserves it.

You don`t have to like something or respect something to tolerate it. More christians should realise this when expressing christan `tolerance`


Religion is a very old part of human history and It has seen us through some very dark times. It gave hope to our ancestors and protected many institutions. It has helped to unite the large societies that gave rise to this modern world. Respect has been earned, which is why religious freedom has its protections.

I believe it is possible to disagree with someone and even dislike them without showing contempt or disrespect for who they are. It's as simple as knowing when to bite your tounge.
The reward is that you can win a debate against people of great fortitude through patient reasoning.

Besides, the alternative of being intolerant or hard headed against the church means playing a game it's dominated for the last few thousand years.

/or you could paint with broad brushes because all of the faithful look the same.
/go ahead and question the preachers faith while you're at it.
/I'm sure no ones ever tried that before...
2012-08-18 05:10:53 PM
1 votes:

Honest Bender: KimNorth: You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...

way south: The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity

Eh... you might have a point if universal intolerance was a bad thing. Is it wrong to be intolerant of murderers? Is it wrong to be intolerant of insects in my house? Is it wrong for me to be intolerant of homophobes?

Is it wrong of me to be intolerant of a mindset that's an anchor around the throat of a progressive society?


To the point of being illiberal or destructive to your own goals?

A society that feels the need to shame, force, or beat half its members into submission is probably one that you don't want to live in anyway. Because What you would create is exactly what people hate most about theocracies.
The problem isn't about God, it's about people not accepting others for who the are. It's the lack of patience and the refusal to reason or meet others halfway. It's the quick tempered moves to segregate people that can lead to an imbalance of power and create strife.
You would end up burning the house down just because you don't like bugs.
2012-08-18 04:14:13 PM
1 votes:
Who are these "debunking" articles written for?

They won't sway believers. Many of the signs they were told to look for are occurring. Explainable or not, their belief is not based on rationality and therefore rationalization has little or no effect.

As for non-believers, they shouldn't need reassurance if nothing is happening? If its all these events (frequent major disasters, freakish weather, looming economic collapse) just "normal cycles of the Earth and humankind" then why bother wasting all the words laying out rationalizations?
2012-08-18 03:55:22 PM
1 votes:
One out of four children - roughly 146 million - in developing countries is underweight
(Source: The State of the World's Children, UNICEF, 2007)

10.9 million children under five die in developing countries each year. Malnutrition and hunger-related diseases cause 60 percent of the deaths;
(Source: The State of the World's Children, UNICEF, 2007)

You realize I am getting these stats from one webpage? About a standard letter-sized sheet of paper's worth? 250 words, maybe.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Go back to sleep humanity. We'll wake you up when it is Doom's Day.
2012-08-18 03:52:16 PM
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Iron deficiency is the most prevalent form of malnutrition worldwide, affecting an estimated 2 billion people. Eradicating iron deficiency can improve national productivity levels by as much as 20 percent.
(Source: World Health Organization, WHO Global Database on Anaemia)


Do you know how upper class and upper middle class ladies used to mope about romantically, dying of consumption or fainting at the drop of a top hat? It was because they didn't eat properly. Even rich women suffered from malnutrition in the 1700s and 1800s. It was only with modern science and women's lib that they started to tuck into the odd steak from time to time, loosen their corsets and kick out against their oppressors in Church, State and Home.

You've come a long way, baby, and I'm not talking about the right to poison yourself and everybody around you with the toxic by-products of burning weeds.

But you've got a long way to go. We all know, and have known for a couple of centuries now, that iron is an essential part of every diet. Yet for the lack of a few iron tablets, men, but especially women and children, still are unable to be the slaves that their masters dream of. 60% of the malnourished (adults) in the world are women and children not doubt account for more of the deaths than even women. In short, the problem has not changed measurably since the days that humans roamed the Earth competing badly with smarter and better-organized troops of baboons.

Fark you, daddy!

There's a reason why more women are liberals and more men are conservatives. Women are smarter than men. They care more: if not about your personally well padded rump, than about women and children all too like themselves. After all, upper class white women are still 60% of the upper class malnourished. Possibly more.
2012-08-18 03:48:57 PM
1 votes:
I figure as long as I can gaze into Keira Knightley's eyes as the world ends then how could I possibly be afraid?
2012-08-18 03:45:34 PM
1 votes:

Optimus Primate: I don't necessarily welcome an apocalypse, but I am not afraid of it - and I am prepared.

I have 8 full months rations stored, including enough water. I am also fairly well armed. (My girlfriend and I each have a handgun, a short-barrel shotgun with pistol grip -Mossberg 500's- and one rifle -- with PLENTY of ammo)

Most studies of an "economic-style" or general societal collapse (something where the power just goes out one day and never comes back on) say that half of current society will have died by six months. Our readiness will allow us to simply hole up for around 4-5 months until the initial mayhem dies away and people riot for the remaining food supplies, which will disappear within weeks.

My property is rural. The acreage is covered in pit traps and tripwires - and I have 3 cases of fragmentation mines ready to get laid out (it will take me one day to mine the whole property - I have timed it)

If the world is just too bad off after 8-12 months, and society has not started to reform, or if we are overwhelmed by raiders, we have cyanide capules which we wear around our necks. In the case of a raid, I can also blow our whole compound sky high by accessing one switch inside secret compartment on my fireplace.

Let it come. I have enough solar to power my mp3 player and we have books galore to read while the world burns.


[backing_away_slowly.gif]
2012-08-18 03:45:02 PM
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Hunger is the number one cause of economic underdevelopment.

It causes mental retardation and physical disability, thus rendering the poor less productive.

From the World Food Programme:

Iodine deficiency is the greatest single cause of mental retardation and brain damage, affecting 1.9 billion people worldwide. It can easily be prevented by adding iodine to salt.
(Source: World Nutrition Situation 5th report ,UN Standing Committee on Nutrition2005)

One third of the world's population is retarded by lack of iodine. We have known that iodine prevents feeblemindness since the 1820s at least. The great French writer, Honoré de Balzac wrote a novel about a country doctor trying to convince the authorities to fight goitre (an iodine defeciency disease) and mental retardation entitled Le Medecin de campagne. It is still read in French literature classes.

There should be alarms going off, really, all the time. Red flags and bunting flying from every building. The world in panic. But the world doesn't panic about real problems. It only panics about made-up problems created by politicians, journalists, religious leaders, lawyers, doctors, nutritionists, PR flacks, media whores, dumb starlets who call themselves actors because they realize dumb starlet is an offensive stereotype, and every other kind of feeble-minded twit you can think of.

http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats/
2012-08-18 03:42:33 PM
1 votes:
Apocalypse is just somebody trying to sell you something.
2012-08-18 03:38:18 PM
1 votes:
When I travelled through Europe in 1970, the after effects of Y One K were still apparent in some places.

People became convinced the world would end on Dec. 31, 999 and for 50 years nothing was built. Craftsmen in 50 different trades grew old and died, leaving no trained men to take their places. It was an unmitigated technical disaster. Progress stalled for a century.

Towards the end it got bad indeed: Banks refused to lend money, students saw no need to go to school---all of society collapsed.

MORAL: The end of the world is a fake but people acting stupid is a sure bet.
2012-08-18 03:37:57 PM
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ontariolightning: As someone who was mentally used and abused in a religion by people adhering to a specific religion, I can tell you for a FACT, that religion does no one good. .


Human beings believing in something and twisting it to fit their own agenda abused you.

ontariolightning: You don't have to be religious to be a good person.


I never said otherwise. Morality and ethics don't require a religious framework.
2012-08-18 03:33:09 PM
1 votes:

invictus2: assless chaps


Chaps are assless pants. Your argument is invalid.
2012-08-18 03:32:17 PM
1 votes:
So, exactly how many people did die of malnutrition during the 1970s and 80s?

My rough calculation makes it HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS!

Twenty years, fifteen million a year, three hundred million, BINGO! Right on target.

Only it wasn't big showy famines like the famous Biafran famine that killed most of them. Most of them died of malnutrition on a day-to-day not getting enough to eat basis.

We have several major famines going on right now, Mr. That's All Solved Conservative. All across East Africa and West Africa the Sahal is blooming with its annual warnings from charities that famine is stalking Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, the Sudan, Mali, etc.

At least 100 million Indians, probably two or three hundred million, are hungry right now. Most of the new found wealth of China is concentrated in the export-oriented provinces or states of East China, and especially coastal areas. In the West, the peasants are still desperately poor despite some attempts by the Chinese elites to spread the wealth around a little, prevent grumbling, rebellion and embarassment.

For example, the embarassment of counting how many people are dying for lack of a few pennies worth of micro-nutrients (vitamins and minerals, including salt to prevent 2.5 million child deaths a year from diarrhea, the biggest killer).

Same old, same old. Conservatives deny, liberals supply.
2012-08-18 03:19:17 PM
1 votes:

xynix: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

[www.scottgustafson.com image 524x299]


Anyone who claims that ozone depletion was a scare problem has no idea what they are talking about.
2012-08-18 02:59:22 PM
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xynix: Yeah we call that a God moment. It's awesome. People that don't have one won't get it and it can't be explained. There is no point in trying to explain it to Atheists but the phrase "there are no Atheists in a foxhole" does hold water.


Yeah, there's about a billion atheists in the world whose ultimate goal in life achieve and sustain that kind of experience. They're called Buddhists.
2012-08-18 02:56:41 PM
1 votes:

invictus2: that and assless chaps


They have a name for non-assless chaps, they're called PANTS.

I'm ready for the apocalyptic future as long as we get to bang basic pleasure models that look like Daryl Hannah.

blogue.us

Ehrlich, who claimed he had been "goaded" into the bet, growled, "The one thing we'll never run out of is imbeciles."

The funny thing is he wasn't referring to himself. I can't wait to see what comes next. We had global cooling, ozone hole, now global warming is all the rage. Maybe it will be a plague of locusts and we'll finally get some common sense back and DDT will be legal again.
2012-08-18 02:50:43 PM
1 votes:
"Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten." Proverb, American Indian
2012-08-18 02:47:12 PM
1 votes:
I was promised jet packs and zombies. Get a team working on those now!!
2012-08-18 02:46:54 PM
1 votes:
D@mn it I don't care about all this shiat. I just wanna know what the Sun is going to be aligned with in The Milky Way.
2012-08-18 02:29:00 PM
1 votes:

Oznog: [unrealitymag.com image 850x478]


And fashion accessories- the apocalypse is ALL about punk fashion accessories.

www.operatorchan.org
4.bp.blogspot.com
that and assless chaps
2012-08-18 02:12:44 PM
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BigLuca: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

As a fellow atheist the only thing that annoys me more than fundies spouting their nonsense is completely rational and logic people that are totally intolerant of others views, and more so, are complete assholes about it. You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject, but what I won't do is laugh in your face, spit on you, then run away waving my dick at the crowd. Like you did in your post.

From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church. You will drive more people away because they will associate atheism with disrespectful, name calling pricks, rather than people with a rational and thoughtful approach to life.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.


I agree with most atheists about expressing their views(better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth remove all doubt), and you have valid points, but for me, personally, I had a little chat with the higher power during a near death experience a few years ago. I didn't do any talking, and there wasn't much said, but it was made plain to me that our race has a lot more potential than we are currently utilizing.

While this may have been a hallucination, something brought on by the lack of oxygen in my system, or the effect of the alcohol(I've outed myself as a recovering drunk on here before), what I can not explain away is the sudden and complete sobriety after the experience. I haven't touched a drop since. I am currently in college(again) for the knowledge to build the entirety of the bunker described above, as well as some nifty inventions that have been caterwalling around my noggin for the last few years. In short, I believe I have had it made painfully obvious there is a higher power, and while he/she/it doesn't intervene much, you should listen when it does happen. I do not post much, nor am I pushing my views on you or others. I am quietly making this world a better place, and working toward a higher goal.

/resumes full lotus position
//flame on
2012-08-18 02:07:52 PM
1 votes:

CujoQuarrel: Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?

Don't fear him, man. Just don't


You need MORE COWBELL!!
2012-08-18 02:01:42 PM
1 votes:
www.wired.com

That is one phallic looking apocalypse
2012-08-18 01:55:35 PM
1 votes:
For some, the world surely will end at that exact date and time. Their world. And for others, the world will begin at that exact date and time. Thus, the circle of life.

I for one will be celebrating that exact moment in time having sex with my wife. If I'm going out, I'm going out on top. Or bottom. Depending on who feels like doing all the work.
2012-08-18 01:48:52 PM
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Simple. When the apocalypse does come, I will be safe in my home-made bunker with geothermal heat and power. 2-foot steel door with the lead lining for the radiation, locking mechanism which has a voice-print and retinal-scan lock. Greenhouse for the production of food and O2, fully operational entertainment system with whatever the latest game system is, as well as all the older versions(PS3, PS2, PS1, etc.). And games. Might need games. Against my wishes, I guess I will be becoming a vegan. Bring on the tofu and legumes! The freezer will have (literally) tons of frozen beef and chicken, but is has to last for the rest of time. What about women, you ask? I have shelter, never ending heat/power, and food. I figure snag a woman(or 3) with kids out of one of the shelters and come to a mutually beneficial arrangement.

/library on the scale of that of congress goes without saying
//gotta figure out a perfect(or nearly) water filtration system: every drop has to be recycled
2012-08-18 01:48:06 PM
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Biological Ali: BigLuca: From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church.

Well that was pointlessly melodramatic.


I think it was a pretty good parallel. Ostensibly, Westboro church people are trying to draw more followers to Christianity, but I think it's pretty obvious they push more people away. In the same way, I very vocal, name calling, disrespectful atheist is probably trying to draw people to atheism, but the opposite will actually happen.

Hell, a few posts above someone equivalated a nun with a murder/rapist. Do you really think those types of arguments help people see atheism as a rational, logical stance?
2012-08-18 01:47:39 PM
1 votes:

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


I'm also a Christian (we're a rare breed on Fark) and yes this is a common line of conversation for people I know including my parents. The thing is though they don't fear it, they don't stockpile for it, it's just assumed that sooner rather than later the rapture will happen and they will disappear into heaven. The scientist in me finds that part very hard to swallow. Many talk about it happening right now with "all the worlds problems" going on. Of course if they bothered to look at history they would see that we're better now geopoliticaly than at any time in modern history.
2012-08-18 01:44:50 PM
1 votes:
the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years.

sun rotate around galaxy center. what align mean???
2012-08-18 01:43:50 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


www.scottgustafson.com
2012-08-18 01:39:53 PM
1 votes:

BigLuca: You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject,


If all they did was walk around deluding themselves I'd have myself a little chuckle and move on as well. It starts to become more of a problem when they start getting themselves elected to seats of power and dictating the direction of society based on the teachings of their magic, wish granting unicorn.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.


I criticized his religious views and told him I didn't respect them. Where was the name calling? I disrespect his point of view, sure. Why should I respect it? Block me if you want, I don't really care. But it seems like the worst you can say of me is that I was disrespectful. I'd like to hear you justify why I should be respectful of his view point. And I don't mean a general argument of why we should all try and be a little more tolerant and loving of our fellow man. I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?
2012-08-18 01:36:57 PM
1 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


.
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And this person wonders why he is 40 years old and still flipping burgers for a living.
2012-08-18 01:33:56 PM
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Whar'sMuhWhiskey: There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change.


The only way climate science could be considered "sound science" is if you think "sound science" is "the laws dictated by a majority of self-proclaimed authorities." By that standard, "The Rapture" is also "sound science."

/do you have a doctorate in theology?
//if not, you're too ignorant to have any meaningful input into the "scientific facts" surrounding The Rapture
2012-08-18 01:33:35 PM
1 votes:
The Apocalypse was World War II. We've been living in post-apocalyptic times ever since.

/that is, returning to the etymological meaning of "apocalypse"
2012-08-18 01:24:30 PM
1 votes:
I think mankind is clever enough to destroy the world. Maybe not in MY lifetime, but I'm pretty sure it will happen.
2012-08-18 01:22:55 PM
1 votes:
And if you still beleave it is going to happem. Send all your dirty,filthy money to me. Its not like you'll need it.
2012-08-18 01:21:13 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: But the religious zealots who are actually looking forward to the Rapture, where they're all beamed to Heaven, it just seems like such a waste of life to look forward to that, even if you did believe in it.


Most of the religious zealots don't really start looking forward to the rapture (or whatever) until they've suffered some real loss in their lives. It's the grief / pain in their lives that makes being zapped into heaven such an appealing prospect.
2012-08-18 01:17:36 PM
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BunkyBrewman: 11:11pm?

Is that Eastern Standard Time?


Maybe it will roll across the world, starting in the Pacific. You know, a separate apocalypse for each time zone. We can watch Tokyo, Beijing, New Delhi et al get destroyed live on TV! That would get some high ratings!
2012-08-18 12:57:11 PM
1 votes:
From what little I've read, I would just as soon not survive. No take-out, no delivery, hard labor to survive, no air conditioning, no internet, bleh. Take me now.

Yeah, I'm lazy and fat. You gotta a problem with it?
2012-08-18 12:56:35 PM
1 votes:
I think that a tendency for people to create end of the world scenarios is mostly about wishful thinking.

As you get older and start to lose your loved ones, nothing sounds more pleasant than a giant fireball killing us all in a matter of seconds and taking us on to whatever afterlife / death we believe in. The idea that you neither have to suffer the grief, nor leave your loved ones behind to suffer is just too seductive.
2012-08-18 12:46:57 PM
1 votes:

KimNorth: You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...

way south: The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity


Eh... you might have a point if universal intolerance was a bad thing. Is it wrong to be intolerant of murderers? Is it wrong to be intolerant of insects in my house? Is it wrong for me to be intolerant of homophobes?

Is it wrong of me to be intolerant of a mindset that's an anchor around the throat of a progressive society?

Psychohazard: Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.


I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make. Are you trying to say I'm an atheistic fundamentalist and therefore a dick? My dickishness aside, I like to think of myself as a scientist. I don't pretend to know the origin of the universe or life or whatever. I recognize that I don't have sufficient data to make a decision.

The problem I have with religion is that, as a whole, it has a detrimental effect on society. It doesn't matter what your personal contribution is. That's irrelevant. By propagating religious beliefs, you're contributing, however small, to the notion that religion is an acceptable thing to have in our society. You're contributing to the validity of the fundamentalists.

Asking me to be tolerant of religious beliefs is, to me, the same as asking me to be tolerant of criminals and hate groups. Because, like, they just have a different opinion, man.
2012-08-18 12:39:51 PM
1 votes:

ArcadianRefugee: Honest Bender: Your religion is a fairy tail.

Stop, please stop.


I'd like a piece of that.
2012-08-18 12:29:42 PM
1 votes:

lj1330: Now that's a scary thought. The people most likely to survive will be those survivalist nutjobs.


lucky for us most of them can't shoot straight OR cooperate with each other even if their lives depended on it.
2012-08-18 12:24:23 PM
1 votes:
So, a bunch of guys made some fantastical predictions back in the 70's and 80's, of which none of them have come true and that is somehow "proof" that the end of the world will never come? Seriously?
2012-08-18 12:22:50 PM
1 votes:
No shiat
2012-08-18 12:21:56 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.
2012-08-18 12:21:28 PM
1 votes:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.

Sorry your life sucks, I will "*pray*" for "you"

//troll on my brother...
2012-08-18 12:16:01 PM
1 votes:

miss diminutive: So I've been stocking my basement with jam, beef jerky and gasoline for nothing? Well that's just farking great.


What were you going to do if there was a flood or earthquake? You did it for nothing

HotIgneous Intruder: There is no apocalypse coming.
People have predicted The End for as long as there have been people.


Well they have been right about the end many times over..the end of the world as they know it.

Some people always survive and reproduce starting things over again across the globe. Depending on who/what survives in those small populations determines who will be the *new* advanced civilizations.
2012-08-18 12:05:52 PM
1 votes:

HotIgneous Intruder: There is no apocalypse coming.
People have predicted The End for as long as there have been people.


It's pretty hard to say it won't happen. The only real difference is whether the rapture is next week, or the sun envelopes the earth through its natural cycle. The only thing that is consistently wrong is the people claiming to know when or what it is.
2012-08-18 12:04:12 PM
1 votes:
Post-apocalyptic stuff is cool, but a lot of that has to do with my being burned out on heroic fantasy and space opera.

I'm not worried about it for real.
2012-08-18 12:00:25 PM
1 votes:

miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?


The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link
2012-08-18 11:58:40 AM
1 votes:

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


I think it's great! I like it when the nutballs get up on a stage and make with the crazy talk.
2012-08-18 11:57:09 AM
1 votes:

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?
2012-08-18 11:47:33 AM
1 votes:
The only things we have to fear is total inaction and over-reaction.
2012-08-18 10:46:50 AM
1 votes:
There's nothing to fear? Then how do I decide who to vote for?
2012-08-18 10:29:46 AM
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Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.
2012-08-18 09:55:58 AM
1 votes:
Are we there yet?
2012-08-18 09:15:38 AM
1 votes:
11:11pm?

Is that Eastern Standard Time?
2012-08-18 08:59:36 AM
1 votes:
Fear it? Why I embrace it.
 
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