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2012-08-18 12:42:49 PM  

Weaver95: lj1330: Now that's a scary thought. The people most likely to survive will be those survivalist nutjobs.

lucky for us most of them can't shoot straight OR cooperate with each other even if their lives depended on it.


Depends on the survivalist in question.
Some of them plan to take a rifle and go inna woods... I doubt they'll last long.
The ones in good shape will maybe live a few years at best.

The are others that go in the tribal/community direction. Which means to circle the wagons with your neighbors and try to rebuild with whatever is at hand. You aren't stockpiling food so much as knowledge and capability (altho a few grain stashes and guns don't hurt).
The moral choices will be harder for those than the isolationists, but my bets are that people hold out the longest as a group.

Trying to outlast the apocalypse on your own isn't really a plan in my book.
Since we don't know the shape of what will doom us, as a group we are the most adaptable to different scenarios.
 
2012-08-18 12:46:57 PM  

KimNorth: You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...

way south: The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity


Eh... you might have a point if universal intolerance was a bad thing. Is it wrong to be intolerant of murderers? Is it wrong to be intolerant of insects in my house? Is it wrong for me to be intolerant of homophobes?

Is it wrong of me to be intolerant of a mindset that's an anchor around the throat of a progressive society?

Psychohazard: Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.


I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make. Are you trying to say I'm an atheistic fundamentalist and therefore a dick? My dickishness aside, I like to think of myself as a scientist. I don't pretend to know the origin of the universe or life or whatever. I recognize that I don't have sufficient data to make a decision.

The problem I have with religion is that, as a whole, it has a detrimental effect on society. It doesn't matter what your personal contribution is. That's irrelevant. By propagating religious beliefs, you're contributing, however small, to the notion that religion is an acceptable thing to have in our society. You're contributing to the validity of the fundamentalists.

Asking me to be tolerant of religious beliefs is, to me, the same as asking me to be tolerant of criminals and hate groups. Because, like, they just have a different opinion, man.
 
2012-08-18 12:47:27 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Honest Bender: Your religion is a fairy tail.

Stop, please stop.


Duh, it's farey tail. Lern to spel, dumas.
 
2012-08-18 12:47:34 PM  
It's too bad I won't be around to see the heat death of the Universe.
 
Skr
2012-08-18 12:47:52 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-18 12:50:29 PM  

s2s2s2: Famine predictions haven't been all wrong


That's easy: there wasn't enough rain and the crops died so soon people will go hungry.
 
2012-08-18 12:55:03 PM  

great_tigers: I just think the whole "the end is near" adds fuel to it.


It just seems like some people are looking forward to it. And I don't mean the rednecks who build compounds and stock up on guns in hope that the Ruskies or the zombies or our own government will come after them and they get to kick ass. I've played enough video games to know that would be hella fun. But the religious zealots who are actually looking forward to the Rapture, where they're all beamed to Heaven, it just seems like such a waste of life to look forward to that, even if you did believe in it.
 
2012-08-18 12:56:35 PM  
I think that a tendency for people to create end of the world scenarios is mostly about wishful thinking.

As you get older and start to lose your loved ones, nothing sounds more pleasant than a giant fireball killing us all in a matter of seconds and taking us on to whatever afterlife / death we believe in. The idea that you neither have to suffer the grief, nor leave your loved ones behind to suffer is just too seductive.
 
2012-08-18 12:57:11 PM  
From what little I've read, I would just as soon not survive. No take-out, no delivery, hard labor to survive, no air conditioning, no internet, bleh. Take me now.

Yeah, I'm lazy and fat. You gotta a problem with it?
 
2012-08-18 01:00:54 PM  
God talked to me one evening, but I was too drunk to remember. something about tipping and virgins, not sure anymore
 
2012-08-18 01:01:36 PM  
Best-selling economist Robert Heilbroner

I have the weirdest broner right now.
 
2012-08-18 01:04:14 PM  

way south: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.


I tolerate religion. I don`t like it and I don`t respect it.

Think about the meaning of these sentences

"Your words have given me hope for the world"
"I like your words"
"I respect your words"
"I don`t like your words"
"I tolerate your words"
"I despise your words but still tolerate them"
"You have the right to express yourself with those words"
"Your words are harmful to everyone around you, I don`t like you saying them and I wish you would stop, but I will tolerate them"
"Your religion is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small. Stop, please stop."

If I were to say that "my opinion is that everyone should have sex with their own children whilst beating their wife (who they keep like a slave) and their slaves and the children they forcefully had with said slaves."


See how blanket respect fails when people have idiotic ideas? Respect is earned, it is not and should not be automatic for everyone. Not everyone deserves it.

You don`t have to like something or respect something to tolerate it. More christians should realise this when expressing christan `tolerance`
 
2012-08-18 01:11:49 PM  
You can't stop me from destroying the world.
 
2012-08-18 01:17:36 PM  

BunkyBrewman: 11:11pm?

Is that Eastern Standard Time?


Maybe it will roll across the world, starting in the Pacific. You know, a separate apocalypse for each time zone. We can watch Tokyo, Beijing, New Delhi et al get destroyed live on TV! That would get some high ratings!
 
2012-08-18 01:21:00 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


i find your lack of faith disturbing.
 
2012-08-18 01:21:13 PM  

Mugato: But the religious zealots who are actually looking forward to the Rapture, where they're all beamed to Heaven, it just seems like such a waste of life to look forward to that, even if you did believe in it.


Most of the religious zealots don't really start looking forward to the rapture (or whatever) until they've suffered some real loss in their lives. It's the grief / pain in their lives that makes being zapped into heaven such an appealing prospect.
 
2012-08-18 01:22:46 PM  
What about the Reaper?
 
2012-08-18 01:22:55 PM  
And if you still beleave it is going to happem. Send all your dirty,filthy money to me. Its not like you'll need it.
 
2012-08-18 01:24:30 PM  
I think mankind is clever enough to destroy the world. Maybe not in MY lifetime, but I'm pretty sure it will happen.
 
2012-08-18 01:26:51 PM  
I love this clown's reasoning "I have drunk a fifth of Jack Daniels every day for twent years , and the predictions that my liver will fail have not yet come true. Therefore, drinking a fifth of JD every day isn't a stupid thing to do."
Classic ostrich thinking.
 
2012-08-18 01:27:34 PM  
"You shouldn't worry about THAT guy's apocalypse predictions, because his are fake and mine are real."

/those who are convinced by this argument, deserve it
 
2012-08-18 01:27:58 PM  
There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change. The later probably deserve a little more attention than the former.....and the two probably shouldn't be included in the same article....
 
2012-08-18 01:29:28 PM  

Ima4nic8or: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.


It's always fun when the ignorant speak.
 
2012-08-18 01:29:33 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


As a fellow atheist the only thing that annoys me more than fundies spouting their nonsense is completely rational and logic people that are totally intolerant of others views, and more so, are complete assholes about it. You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject, but what I won't do is laugh in your face, spit on you, then run away waving my dick at the crowd. Like you did in your post.

From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church. You will drive more people away because they will associate atheism with disrespectful, name calling pricks, rather than people with a rational and thoughtful approach to life.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.
 
2012-08-18 01:33:35 PM  
The Apocalypse was World War II. We've been living in post-apocalyptic times ever since.

/that is, returning to the etymological meaning of "apocalypse"
 
2012-08-18 01:33:56 PM  

Whar'sMuhWhiskey: There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change.


The only way climate science could be considered "sound science" is if you think "sound science" is "the laws dictated by a majority of self-proclaimed authorities." By that standard, "The Rapture" is also "sound science."

/do you have a doctorate in theology?
//if not, you're too ignorant to have any meaningful input into the "scientific facts" surrounding The Rapture
 
2012-08-18 01:36:02 PM  

BigLuca: From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church.


Well that was pointlessly melodramatic.
 
2012-08-18 01:36:04 PM  

Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?


Don't fear him, man. Just don't
 
2012-08-18 01:36:57 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


.
.
And this person wonders why he is 40 years old and still flipping burgers for a living.
 
2012-08-18 01:39:53 PM  

BigLuca: You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject,


If all they did was walk around deluding themselves I'd have myself a little chuckle and move on as well. It starts to become more of a problem when they start getting themselves elected to seats of power and dictating the direction of society based on the teachings of their magic, wish granting unicorn.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.


I criticized his religious views and told him I didn't respect them. Where was the name calling? I disrespect his point of view, sure. Why should I respect it? Block me if you want, I don't really care. But it seems like the worst you can say of me is that I was disrespectful. I'd like to hear you justify why I should be respectful of his view point. And I don't mean a general argument of why we should all try and be a little more tolerant and loving of our fellow man. I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?
 
2012-08-18 01:42:28 PM  

david_gaithersburg: And this person wonders why he is 40 years old and still flipping burgers for a living.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...
 
2012-08-18 01:43:43 PM  

Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?


They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.
 
2012-08-18 01:43:50 PM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


www.scottgustafson.com
 
2012-08-18 01:44:50 PM  
the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years.

sun rotate around galaxy center. what align mean???
 
2012-08-18 01:47:39 PM  

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


I'm also a Christian (we're a rare breed on Fark) and yes this is a common line of conversation for people I know including my parents. The thing is though they don't fear it, they don't stockpile for it, it's just assumed that sooner rather than later the rapture will happen and they will disappear into heaven. The scientist in me finds that part very hard to swallow. Many talk about it happening right now with "all the worlds problems" going on. Of course if they bothered to look at history they would see that we're better now geopoliticaly than at any time in modern history.
 
2012-08-18 01:48:06 PM  

Biological Ali: BigLuca: From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church.

Well that was pointlessly melodramatic.


I think it was a pretty good parallel. Ostensibly, Westboro church people are trying to draw more followers to Christianity, but I think it's pretty obvious they push more people away. In the same way, I very vocal, name calling, disrespectful atheist is probably trying to draw people to atheism, but the opposite will actually happen.

Hell, a few posts above someone equivalated a nun with a murder/rapist. Do you really think those types of arguments help people see atheism as a rational, logical stance?
 
2012-08-18 01:48:52 PM  
Simple. When the apocalypse does come, I will be safe in my home-made bunker with geothermal heat and power. 2-foot steel door with the lead lining for the radiation, locking mechanism which has a voice-print and retinal-scan lock. Greenhouse for the production of food and O2, fully operational entertainment system with whatever the latest game system is, as well as all the older versions(PS3, PS2, PS1, etc.). And games. Might need games. Against my wishes, I guess I will be becoming a vegan. Bring on the tofu and legumes! The freezer will have (literally) tons of frozen beef and chicken, but is has to last for the rest of time. What about women, you ask? I have shelter, never ending heat/power, and food. I figure snag a woman(or 3) with kids out of one of the shelters and come to a mutually beneficial arrangement.

/library on the scale of that of congress goes without saying
//gotta figure out a perfect(or nearly) water filtration system: every drop has to be recycled
 
2012-08-18 01:49:51 PM  

jso2897: I love this clown's reasoning "I have drunk a fifth of Jack Daniels every day for twent years , and the predictions that my liver will fail have not yet come true. Therefore, drinking a fifth of JD every day isn't a stupid thing to do."
Classic ostrich thinking.


Just a Fifth, farking amateur!
 
2012-08-18 01:54:04 PM  

s2s2s2: Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?

They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.


Care to elaborate on that?
 
2012-08-18 01:55:35 PM  
For some, the world surely will end at that exact date and time. Their world. And for others, the world will begin at that exact date and time. Thus, the circle of life.

I for one will be celebrating that exact moment in time having sex with my wife. If I'm going out, I'm going out on top. Or bottom. Depending on who feels like doing all the work.
 
2012-08-18 01:55:59 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world. In fact, I suspect that if more Christians had her world view - we'd be in a much better place. Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me. 'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Elitist much?
 
2012-08-18 02:01:42 PM  
www.wired.com

That is one phallic looking apocalypse
 
2012-08-18 02:04:14 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


Fairies have tails? ;) In all seriousness, I understand what you are saying; I simply disagree with it. How is my personal faith and way of life - which I do not attempt to force on anyone else (because I firmly believe that to do so would be just as wrong as I firmly believe you attempting to force your lack of a personal faith on me is) a detriment to society? My way of life is to treat others as I would like to be treated, to be kind, and to be of service. Though I don't always succeed, because I am human and I make a lot of mistakes every day, I try to leave every place and person a little better than they were when I arrived, even if it's just by being kind and smiling (and no, I don't give a royal damn about politics, sexuality, race, or religion - those matters are not mine to judge because I am singularly unqualified to do so). I fail to see how that can possibly be a detriment to society. But hey - like an old fisherman taught me many years ago: opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and some of them stink.


miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?


In my case, both. And always, it is people who have no reading comprehension and take things out of context to "prove" their point. Personally, I believe God gave us brains and the ability to use them for a reason. The fact that many who call themselves Christians do not do so reflects horribly on not only them, but those of us who actually read the bible in context and actually make the effort to do what it says.

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


If that's the sort of teaching your mother-in-law is reading, no wonder you're frustrated. The teaching cited in that link takes the cited passage completely out of context. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about eschatology "teachers" and preachers and teachers in general within Churchianity today. Not only do they take passages and verses out of context (I can take a sentence from the bible out of context and tell you that the bible states "there is no God," but I would be taking it utterly out of context and deliberately lying to you about what the bible says) in order to make the scripture say what they want it to say, but they have no understanding of Hebrew, Aramaic, or Koine Greek nor do they understand or care that everything - even in the New Testament - cannot be understood so long as it continues to be utterly scrubbed of its inherent Judaism. If a teacher doesn't understand the Feasts, he cannot teach eschatology because everything about Jesus as Savior and Messiah (scrub him of his Jewishness and you may as well just scrub him entirely, to be honest) revolves around the Feasts as outlined in the Old Testament that much of the church likes to pretend don't exist.

That passage in that link specifically refers to Daniel's prophecy that refers to "the time of the end," and frankly, I don't know where he gets his 2300 years from. It's literal. "Days" is translated "evenings and mornings," even by Karaite scholars, since that's the calendar he's cited as using.
 
2012-08-18 02:05:18 PM  

Honest Bender: s2s2s2: Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?

They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.

Care to elaborate on that?


Martin Luther pushed the idea that individual freedoms were granted by god.
 
2012-08-18 02:06:55 PM  

GammaTitan: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world. In fact, I suspect that if more Christians had her world view - we'd be in a much better place. Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me. 'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Elitist much?


Not to mention, "it can't be proven, one way or the other, at this time." isn't "truth".
 
2012-08-18 02:07:12 PM  

GammaTitan: Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::


You don't have to be sarcastic. I'm not tolerant of all view points. Neither are you. You're being rather intolerant of my view point, after all :-)

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world.

I doubt Tiger's individual opinion makes much of an impact on the world. In general, no one person's views do. But if you'll recall, my criticism was that religion in general is detrimental and support of religion contributes to the perpetuation of that detrimental societal factor.

Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me.

My views are rational. I don't pretend to have an understanding of the unknowable.

'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Actually, it's more along the lines of, "You believe THAT? That's a stupid thing to believe in! My beliefs are based on quantifiable, testable data and adjusted to fit the most up to date information available to me." I'm such an elitist...

I'd also like to point out that you criticized me for being intolerant of other people's view points while simultaneously showing your intolerance for my view point... You then criticized me for insulting people (which I never did) and then you insulted me.
 
2012-08-18 02:07:52 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?

Don't fear him, man. Just don't


You need MORE COWBELL!!
 
2012-08-18 02:09:42 PM  
Is Isreal still planning to nuke Iran? cos that might have some global effects
 
2012-08-18 02:10:17 PM  

jayphat: "The sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in 26000 years"
In relation to what exactly is it aligned?


This. I haven't taken remedial geometry in quite few years, but I seem to remember being able to draw a straight line between any two single points.
 
2012-08-18 02:11:06 PM  

Aigoo: In all seriousness, I understand what you are saying; I simply disagree with it. How is my personal faith and way of life - which I do not attempt to force on anyone else (because I firmly believe that to do so would be just as wrong as I firmly believe you attempting to force your lack of a personal faith on me is) a detriment to society?


It's my opinion (feel free to disagree) that religion is a cancer on society. That said, if you identify as religious, it is also my opinion that you are complacent with religion being a part of our society. It's a similar line of reasoning to the old saying, "If you're not part of the solution, you're a part of the problem."

So far, no one has bothered to address that. They've just resorted to name calling and indignation that I'm intolerant of their view point (itself an intolerance against my view point. Hilarious.)
 
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