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(Wired)   There is no need to fear the apocalypse   (wired.com) divider line 211
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2012-08-18 08:48:09 AM  
So I've been stocking my basement with jam, beef jerky and gasoline for nothing? Well that's just farking great.
 
2012-08-18 08:59:36 AM  
Fear it? Why I embrace it.
 
2012-08-18 09:07:09 AM  
There's four pages of that shiat? The apocalypse is not going to happen. There, done.
 
2012-08-18 09:11:20 AM  

Mugato: There's four pages of that shiat? The apocalypse is not going to happen. There, done.


Sure, that is EXACTLY what THEY want us to think!
 
2012-08-18 09:15:38 AM  
11:11pm?

Is that Eastern Standard Time?
 
2012-08-18 09:55:58 AM  
Are we there yet?
 
2012-08-18 10:29:46 AM  
Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.
 
2012-08-18 10:46:50 AM  
There's nothing to fear? Then how do I decide who to vote for?
 
2012-08-18 11:45:40 AM  
img.gawkerassets.com

it's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!
 
2012-08-18 11:47:15 AM  
Please. There's nothing that would please me more than seeing all of the idiots around me suffer and die.
 
2012-08-18 11:47:33 AM  
The only things we have to fear is total inaction and over-reaction.
 
gja
2012-08-18 11:51:45 AM  
"That is not how the end of your puny earth will come about! Morbo is annoyed with all of you"

encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-08-18 11:54:43 AM  
As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.
 
2012-08-18 11:55:23 AM  
 
2012-08-18 11:56:42 AM  

great_tigers: Stop, please stop.


Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.
 
2012-08-18 11:56:55 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: There is no apocalypse coming.
People have predicted The End for as long as there have been people.


I thought you had to be at the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-08-18 11:57:09 AM  

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?
 
2012-08-18 11:57:41 AM  
www.dcclubbing.com
 
2012-08-18 11:58:40 AM  

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


I think it's great! I like it when the nutballs get up on a stage and make with the crazy talk.
 
2012-08-18 12:00:12 PM  
Sooner or later, the doomsayers are gonna be right.
 
2012-08-18 12:00:25 PM  

miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?


The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link
 
2012-08-18 12:01:27 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.
 
2012-08-18 12:02:04 PM  
I ain't worried until I look up on that stage and see Max Quordlepleen.
 
2012-08-18 12:04:12 PM  
Post-apocalyptic stuff is cool, but a lot of that has to do with my being burned out on heroic fantasy and space opera.

I'm not worried about it for real.
 
2012-08-18 12:04:15 PM  

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


Since when does anyone ever listen to what their mother-in-law says? :P
 
2012-08-18 12:04:19 PM  
img.gawkerassets.com

/has little to say
 
2012-08-18 12:05:52 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: There is no apocalypse coming.
People have predicted The End for as long as there have been people.


It's pretty hard to say it won't happen. The only real difference is whether the rapture is next week, or the sun envelopes the earth through its natural cycle. The only thing that is consistently wrong is the people claiming to know when or what it is.
 
2012-08-18 12:08:50 PM  
 
2012-08-18 12:15:30 PM  

great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.


See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.
 
2012-08-18 12:15:54 PM  

BunkyBrewman: 11:11pm?

Is that Eastern Standard Time?


Yea, that got my attention too. I'm pretty sure that didn't come from the Mayans.
 
2012-08-18 12:16:01 PM  

miss diminutive: So I've been stocking my basement with jam, beef jerky and gasoline for nothing? Well that's just farking great.


What were you going to do if there was a flood or earthquake? You did it for nothing

HotIgneous Intruder: There is no apocalypse coming.
People have predicted The End for as long as there have been people.


Well they have been right about the end many times over..the end of the world as they know it.

Some people always survive and reproduce starting things over again across the globe. Depending on who/what survives in those small populations determines who will be the *new* advanced civilizations.
 
2012-08-18 12:16:25 PM  
 
2012-08-18 12:16:44 PM  
The author could have gotten to the point with one or two sentences and didnt need to abuse my eyes with red text. WTF was that shiat? Anyway, he/she is right. The latest examples of this form of magical thinking/insanity/whatever you want to call it is the global warming myth.
 
2012-08-18 12:21:28 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.

Sorry your life sucks, I will "*pray*" for "you"

//troll on my brother...
 
2012-08-18 12:21:56 PM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.
 
2012-08-18 12:22:50 PM  
No shiat
 
2012-08-18 12:24:06 PM  
"The sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in 26000 years"
In relation to what exactly is it aligned?
 
2012-08-18 12:24:23 PM  
So, a bunch of guys made some fantastical predictions back in the 70's and 80's, of which none of them have come true and that is somehow "proof" that the end of the world will never come? Seriously?
 
2012-08-18 12:24:25 PM  
A lot of the environmental / pollution related 'apocalypse' talk didn't come true because actions were actually taken to stop dumping poison and filth into the air and water. See, that is the difference between Lefty doom and Conservative doom. The Left wants to stop the terrible thing from happening, while the Right embraces it.
 
2012-08-18 12:24:36 PM  
Now that's a scary thought. The people most likely to survive will be those survivalist nutjobs.
 
2012-08-18 12:24:58 PM  

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


If you think Christians are "targeted" more it's because of the evangelical Christians who push what they think is the morality part of Christianity while ignoring everything that Jesus actually said. That's why it's "targeted" more.
 
2012-08-18 12:26:17 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.
 
2012-08-18 12:27:36 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.
 
2012-08-18 12:27:42 PM  

Ima4nic8or: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.


Or maybe the discontinuation of the production and use of the worst chemicals actually did what it was supposed to. The hole gradually shrank and society moved on. Also, the predictions in a couple non-peer reviewed magazines (Time) of cooling in the 70s were dwarfed even then by mounting data suggesting warming which was being published in Nature.
 
2012-08-18 12:29:42 PM  

lj1330: Now that's a scary thought. The people most likely to survive will be those survivalist nutjobs.


lucky for us most of them can't shoot straight OR cooperate with each other even if their lives depended on it.
 
2012-08-18 12:29:43 PM  

Mugato: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

If you think Christians are "targeted" more it's because of the evangelical Christians who push what they think is the morality part of Christianity while ignoring everything that Jesus actually said. That's why it's "targeted" more.


This. I think it is very detrimental to have one person push their faith on another one. You believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Instead of standing on a corner and telling people what their sins are while ignoring my own sins I will sit by and work on my own flaws. I respect peoples opinions. I realize that nothing I say will change someones opinion on here.

I just think the whole "the end is near" adds fuel to it.
 
2012-08-18 12:30:45 PM  

Honest Bender: Your religion is a fairy tail.


Stop, please stop.
 
2012-08-18 12:34:09 PM  
www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com
 
2012-08-18 12:39:51 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Honest Bender: Your religion is a fairy tail.

Stop, please stop.


I'd like a piece of that.
 
2012-08-18 12:42:41 PM  
There is, however, reason to fear steel drums.

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2012-08-18 12:42:49 PM  

Weaver95: lj1330: Now that's a scary thought. The people most likely to survive will be those survivalist nutjobs.

lucky for us most of them can't shoot straight OR cooperate with each other even if their lives depended on it.


Depends on the survivalist in question.
Some of them plan to take a rifle and go inna woods... I doubt they'll last long.
The ones in good shape will maybe live a few years at best.

The are others that go in the tribal/community direction. Which means to circle the wagons with your neighbors and try to rebuild with whatever is at hand. You aren't stockpiling food so much as knowledge and capability (altho a few grain stashes and guns don't hurt).
The moral choices will be harder for those than the isolationists, but my bets are that people hold out the longest as a group.

Trying to outlast the apocalypse on your own isn't really a plan in my book.
Since we don't know the shape of what will doom us, as a group we are the most adaptable to different scenarios.
 
2012-08-18 12:46:57 PM  

KimNorth: You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...

way south: The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity


Eh... you might have a point if universal intolerance was a bad thing. Is it wrong to be intolerant of murderers? Is it wrong to be intolerant of insects in my house? Is it wrong for me to be intolerant of homophobes?

Is it wrong of me to be intolerant of a mindset that's an anchor around the throat of a progressive society?

Psychohazard: Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.


I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make. Are you trying to say I'm an atheistic fundamentalist and therefore a dick? My dickishness aside, I like to think of myself as a scientist. I don't pretend to know the origin of the universe or life or whatever. I recognize that I don't have sufficient data to make a decision.

The problem I have with religion is that, as a whole, it has a detrimental effect on society. It doesn't matter what your personal contribution is. That's irrelevant. By propagating religious beliefs, you're contributing, however small, to the notion that religion is an acceptable thing to have in our society. You're contributing to the validity of the fundamentalists.

Asking me to be tolerant of religious beliefs is, to me, the same as asking me to be tolerant of criminals and hate groups. Because, like, they just have a different opinion, man.
 
2012-08-18 12:47:27 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Honest Bender: Your religion is a fairy tail.

Stop, please stop.


Duh, it's farey tail. Lern to spel, dumas.
 
2012-08-18 12:47:34 PM  
It's too bad I won't be around to see the heat death of the Universe.
 
Skr
2012-08-18 12:47:52 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-18 12:50:29 PM  

s2s2s2: Famine predictions haven't been all wrong


That's easy: there wasn't enough rain and the crops died so soon people will go hungry.
 
2012-08-18 12:55:03 PM  

great_tigers: I just think the whole "the end is near" adds fuel to it.


It just seems like some people are looking forward to it. And I don't mean the rednecks who build compounds and stock up on guns in hope that the Ruskies or the zombies or our own government will come after them and they get to kick ass. I've played enough video games to know that would be hella fun. But the religious zealots who are actually looking forward to the Rapture, where they're all beamed to Heaven, it just seems like such a waste of life to look forward to that, even if you did believe in it.
 
2012-08-18 12:56:35 PM  
I think that a tendency for people to create end of the world scenarios is mostly about wishful thinking.

As you get older and start to lose your loved ones, nothing sounds more pleasant than a giant fireball killing us all in a matter of seconds and taking us on to whatever afterlife / death we believe in. The idea that you neither have to suffer the grief, nor leave your loved ones behind to suffer is just too seductive.
 
2012-08-18 12:57:11 PM  
From what little I've read, I would just as soon not survive. No take-out, no delivery, hard labor to survive, no air conditioning, no internet, bleh. Take me now.

Yeah, I'm lazy and fat. You gotta a problem with it?
 
2012-08-18 01:00:54 PM  
God talked to me one evening, but I was too drunk to remember. something about tipping and virgins, not sure anymore
 
2012-08-18 01:01:36 PM  
Best-selling economist Robert Heilbroner

I have the weirdest broner right now.
 
2012-08-18 01:04:14 PM  

way south: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.


I tolerate religion. I don`t like it and I don`t respect it.

Think about the meaning of these sentences

"Your words have given me hope for the world"
"I like your words"
"I respect your words"
"I don`t like your words"
"I tolerate your words"
"I despise your words but still tolerate them"
"You have the right to express yourself with those words"
"Your words are harmful to everyone around you, I don`t like you saying them and I wish you would stop, but I will tolerate them"
"Your religion is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small. Stop, please stop."

If I were to say that "my opinion is that everyone should have sex with their own children whilst beating their wife (who they keep like a slave) and their slaves and the children they forcefully had with said slaves."


See how blanket respect fails when people have idiotic ideas? Respect is earned, it is not and should not be automatic for everyone. Not everyone deserves it.

You don`t have to like something or respect something to tolerate it. More christians should realise this when expressing christan `tolerance`
 
2012-08-18 01:11:49 PM  
You can't stop me from destroying the world.
 
2012-08-18 01:17:36 PM  

BunkyBrewman: 11:11pm?

Is that Eastern Standard Time?


Maybe it will roll across the world, starting in the Pacific. You know, a separate apocalypse for each time zone. We can watch Tokyo, Beijing, New Delhi et al get destroyed live on TV! That would get some high ratings!
 
2012-08-18 01:21:00 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


i find your lack of faith disturbing.
 
2012-08-18 01:21:13 PM  

Mugato: But the religious zealots who are actually looking forward to the Rapture, where they're all beamed to Heaven, it just seems like such a waste of life to look forward to that, even if you did believe in it.


Most of the religious zealots don't really start looking forward to the rapture (or whatever) until they've suffered some real loss in their lives. It's the grief / pain in their lives that makes being zapped into heaven such an appealing prospect.
 
2012-08-18 01:22:46 PM  
What about the Reaper?
 
2012-08-18 01:22:55 PM  
And if you still beleave it is going to happem. Send all your dirty,filthy money to me. Its not like you'll need it.
 
2012-08-18 01:24:30 PM  
I think mankind is clever enough to destroy the world. Maybe not in MY lifetime, but I'm pretty sure it will happen.
 
2012-08-18 01:26:51 PM  
I love this clown's reasoning "I have drunk a fifth of Jack Daniels every day for twent years , and the predictions that my liver will fail have not yet come true. Therefore, drinking a fifth of JD every day isn't a stupid thing to do."
Classic ostrich thinking.
 
2012-08-18 01:27:34 PM  
"You shouldn't worry about THAT guy's apocalypse predictions, because his are fake and mine are real."

/those who are convinced by this argument, deserve it
 
2012-08-18 01:27:58 PM  
There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change. The later probably deserve a little more attention than the former.....and the two probably shouldn't be included in the same article....
 
2012-08-18 01:29:28 PM  

Ima4nic8or: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.


It's always fun when the ignorant speak.
 
2012-08-18 01:29:33 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


As a fellow atheist the only thing that annoys me more than fundies spouting their nonsense is completely rational and logic people that are totally intolerant of others views, and more so, are complete assholes about it. You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject, but what I won't do is laugh in your face, spit on you, then run away waving my dick at the crowd. Like you did in your post.

From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church. You will drive more people away because they will associate atheism with disrespectful, name calling pricks, rather than people with a rational and thoughtful approach to life.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.
 
2012-08-18 01:33:35 PM  
The Apocalypse was World War II. We've been living in post-apocalyptic times ever since.

/that is, returning to the etymological meaning of "apocalypse"
 
2012-08-18 01:33:56 PM  

Whar'sMuhWhiskey: There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change.


The only way climate science could be considered "sound science" is if you think "sound science" is "the laws dictated by a majority of self-proclaimed authorities." By that standard, "The Rapture" is also "sound science."

/do you have a doctorate in theology?
//if not, you're too ignorant to have any meaningful input into the "scientific facts" surrounding The Rapture
 
2012-08-18 01:36:02 PM  

BigLuca: From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church.


Well that was pointlessly melodramatic.
 
2012-08-18 01:36:04 PM  

Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?


Don't fear him, man. Just don't
 
2012-08-18 01:36:57 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


.
.
And this person wonders why he is 40 years old and still flipping burgers for a living.
 
2012-08-18 01:39:53 PM  

BigLuca: You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject,


If all they did was walk around deluding themselves I'd have myself a little chuckle and move on as well. It starts to become more of a problem when they start getting themselves elected to seats of power and dictating the direction of society based on the teachings of their magic, wish granting unicorn.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.


I criticized his religious views and told him I didn't respect them. Where was the name calling? I disrespect his point of view, sure. Why should I respect it? Block me if you want, I don't really care. But it seems like the worst you can say of me is that I was disrespectful. I'd like to hear you justify why I should be respectful of his view point. And I don't mean a general argument of why we should all try and be a little more tolerant and loving of our fellow man. I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?
 
2012-08-18 01:42:28 PM  

david_gaithersburg: And this person wonders why he is 40 years old and still flipping burgers for a living.


I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...
 
2012-08-18 01:43:43 PM  

Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?


They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.
 
2012-08-18 01:43:50 PM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


www.scottgustafson.com
 
2012-08-18 01:44:50 PM  
the sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in about 26,000 years.

sun rotate around galaxy center. what align mean???
 
2012-08-18 01:47:39 PM  

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


I'm also a Christian (we're a rare breed on Fark) and yes this is a common line of conversation for people I know including my parents. The thing is though they don't fear it, they don't stockpile for it, it's just assumed that sooner rather than later the rapture will happen and they will disappear into heaven. The scientist in me finds that part very hard to swallow. Many talk about it happening right now with "all the worlds problems" going on. Of course if they bothered to look at history they would see that we're better now geopoliticaly than at any time in modern history.
 
2012-08-18 01:48:06 PM  

Biological Ali: BigLuca: From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church.

Well that was pointlessly melodramatic.


I think it was a pretty good parallel. Ostensibly, Westboro church people are trying to draw more followers to Christianity, but I think it's pretty obvious they push more people away. In the same way, I very vocal, name calling, disrespectful atheist is probably trying to draw people to atheism, but the opposite will actually happen.

Hell, a few posts above someone equivalated a nun with a murder/rapist. Do you really think those types of arguments help people see atheism as a rational, logical stance?
 
2012-08-18 01:48:52 PM  
Simple. When the apocalypse does come, I will be safe in my home-made bunker with geothermal heat and power. 2-foot steel door with the lead lining for the radiation, locking mechanism which has a voice-print and retinal-scan lock. Greenhouse for the production of food and O2, fully operational entertainment system with whatever the latest game system is, as well as all the older versions(PS3, PS2, PS1, etc.). And games. Might need games. Against my wishes, I guess I will be becoming a vegan. Bring on the tofu and legumes! The freezer will have (literally) tons of frozen beef and chicken, but is has to last for the rest of time. What about women, you ask? I have shelter, never ending heat/power, and food. I figure snag a woman(or 3) with kids out of one of the shelters and come to a mutually beneficial arrangement.

/library on the scale of that of congress goes without saying
//gotta figure out a perfect(or nearly) water filtration system: every drop has to be recycled
 
2012-08-18 01:49:51 PM  

jso2897: I love this clown's reasoning "I have drunk a fifth of Jack Daniels every day for twent years , and the predictions that my liver will fail have not yet come true. Therefore, drinking a fifth of JD every day isn't a stupid thing to do."
Classic ostrich thinking.


Just a Fifth, farking amateur!
 
2012-08-18 01:54:04 PM  

s2s2s2: Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?

They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.


Care to elaborate on that?
 
2012-08-18 01:55:35 PM  
For some, the world surely will end at that exact date and time. Their world. And for others, the world will begin at that exact date and time. Thus, the circle of life.

I for one will be celebrating that exact moment in time having sex with my wife. If I'm going out, I'm going out on top. Or bottom. Depending on who feels like doing all the work.
 
2012-08-18 01:55:59 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world. In fact, I suspect that if more Christians had her world view - we'd be in a much better place. Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me. 'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Elitist much?
 
2012-08-18 02:01:42 PM  
www.wired.com

That is one phallic looking apocalypse
 
2012-08-18 02:04:14 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


Fairies have tails? ;) In all seriousness, I understand what you are saying; I simply disagree with it. How is my personal faith and way of life - which I do not attempt to force on anyone else (because I firmly believe that to do so would be just as wrong as I firmly believe you attempting to force your lack of a personal faith on me is) a detriment to society? My way of life is to treat others as I would like to be treated, to be kind, and to be of service. Though I don't always succeed, because I am human and I make a lot of mistakes every day, I try to leave every place and person a little better than they were when I arrived, even if it's just by being kind and smiling (and no, I don't give a royal damn about politics, sexuality, race, or religion - those matters are not mine to judge because I am singularly unqualified to do so). I fail to see how that can possibly be a detriment to society. But hey - like an old fisherman taught me many years ago: opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, and some of them stink.


miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?


In my case, both. And always, it is people who have no reading comprehension and take things out of context to "prove" their point. Personally, I believe God gave us brains and the ability to use them for a reason. The fact that many who call themselves Christians do not do so reflects horribly on not only them, but those of us who actually read the bible in context and actually make the effort to do what it says.

great_tigers: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

The later. My mother in law reads books about the return and how we are so close to it happening.

Link


If that's the sort of teaching your mother-in-law is reading, no wonder you're frustrated. The teaching cited in that link takes the cited passage completely out of context. That is one of my biggest pet peeves about eschatology "teachers" and preachers and teachers in general within Churchianity today. Not only do they take passages and verses out of context (I can take a sentence from the bible out of context and tell you that the bible states "there is no God," but I would be taking it utterly out of context and deliberately lying to you about what the bible says) in order to make the scripture say what they want it to say, but they have no understanding of Hebrew, Aramaic, or Koine Greek nor do they understand or care that everything - even in the New Testament - cannot be understood so long as it continues to be utterly scrubbed of its inherent Judaism. If a teacher doesn't understand the Feasts, he cannot teach eschatology because everything about Jesus as Savior and Messiah (scrub him of his Jewishness and you may as well just scrub him entirely, to be honest) revolves around the Feasts as outlined in the Old Testament that much of the church likes to pretend don't exist.

That passage in that link specifically refers to Daniel's prophecy that refers to "the time of the end," and frankly, I don't know where he gets his 2300 years from. It's literal. "Days" is translated "evenings and mornings," even by Karaite scholars, since that's the calendar he's cited as using.
 
2012-08-18 02:05:18 PM  

Honest Bender: s2s2s2: Honest Bender: I mean what part of western religious views should I respect and why?

They laid the groundwork for your being legally able to disrespect the views of the religious.

Care to elaborate on that?


Martin Luther pushed the idea that individual freedoms were granted by god.
 
2012-08-18 02:06:55 PM  

GammaTitan: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world. In fact, I suspect that if more Christians had her world view - we'd be in a much better place. Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me. 'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Elitist much?


Not to mention, "it can't be proven, one way or the other, at this time." isn't "truth".
 
2012-08-18 02:07:12 PM  

GammaTitan: Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::


You don't have to be sarcastic. I'm not tolerant of all view points. Neither are you. You're being rather intolerant of my view point, after all :-)

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world.

I doubt Tiger's individual opinion makes much of an impact on the world. In general, no one person's views do. But if you'll recall, my criticism was that religion in general is detrimental and support of religion contributes to the perpetuation of that detrimental societal factor.

Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me.

My views are rational. I don't pretend to have an understanding of the unknowable.

'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Actually, it's more along the lines of, "You believe THAT? That's a stupid thing to believe in! My beliefs are based on quantifiable, testable data and adjusted to fit the most up to date information available to me." I'm such an elitist...

I'd also like to point out that you criticized me for being intolerant of other people's view points while simultaneously showing your intolerance for my view point... You then criticized me for insulting people (which I never did) and then you insulted me.
 
2012-08-18 02:07:52 PM  

CujoQuarrel: Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?

Don't fear him, man. Just don't


You need MORE COWBELL!!
 
2012-08-18 02:09:42 PM  
Is Isreal still planning to nuke Iran? cos that might have some global effects
 
2012-08-18 02:10:17 PM  

jayphat: "The sun will be aligned with the center of the Milky Way for the first time in 26000 years"
In relation to what exactly is it aligned?


This. I haven't taken remedial geometry in quite few years, but I seem to remember being able to draw a straight line between any two single points.
 
2012-08-18 02:11:06 PM  

Aigoo: In all seriousness, I understand what you are saying; I simply disagree with it. How is my personal faith and way of life - which I do not attempt to force on anyone else (because I firmly believe that to do so would be just as wrong as I firmly believe you attempting to force your lack of a personal faith on me is) a detriment to society?


It's my opinion (feel free to disagree) that religion is a cancer on society. That said, if you identify as religious, it is also my opinion that you are complacent with religion being a part of our society. It's a similar line of reasoning to the old saying, "If you're not part of the solution, you're a part of the problem."

So far, no one has bothered to address that. They've just resorted to name calling and indignation that I'm intolerant of their view point (itself an intolerance against my view point. Hilarious.)
 
2012-08-18 02:12:44 PM  

BigLuca: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

As a fellow atheist the only thing that annoys me more than fundies spouting their nonsense is completely rational and logic people that are totally intolerant of others views, and more so, are complete assholes about it. You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject, but what I won't do is laugh in your face, spit on you, then run away waving my dick at the crowd. Like you did in your post.

From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church. You will drive more people away because they will associate atheism with disrespectful, name calling pricks, rather than people with a rational and thoughtful approach to life.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.


I agree with most atheists about expressing their views(better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth remove all doubt), and you have valid points, but for me, personally, I had a little chat with the higher power during a near death experience a few years ago. I didn't do any talking, and there wasn't much said, but it was made plain to me that our race has a lot more potential than we are currently utilizing.

While this may have been a hallucination, something brought on by the lack of oxygen in my system, or the effect of the alcohol(I've outed myself as a recovering drunk on here before), what I can not explain away is the sudden and complete sobriety after the experience. I haven't touched a drop since. I am currently in college(again) for the knowledge to build the entirety of the bunker described above, as well as some nifty inventions that have been caterwalling around my noggin for the last few years. In short, I believe I have had it made painfully obvious there is a higher power, and while he/she/it doesn't intervene much, you should listen when it does happen. I do not post much, nor am I pushing my views on you or others. I am quietly making this world a better place, and working toward a higher goal.

/resumes full lotus position
//flame on
 
2012-08-18 02:13:21 PM  
unrealitymag.com

Why worry about the apocalypse? You get kick-ass weapons, all you gotta do is walk around and pick up all the plentiful Cram and Squirrel Stew you want. There's monsters all over the place begging to be shot and it makes BANK.

And fashion accessories- the apocalypse is ALL about punk fashion accessories.
 
2012-08-18 02:15:16 PM  

Ima4nic8or: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

It isnt. The ozone scare is just another in a long line of "oh no the sky is falling" chicken little end of the world myths. I remember back in the 80s reading assorted articles claiming that half the human population would be dead by the year 2000 due to massive increases in radiation and that all the survivors would have skin cancer. Yet here we are in 2012 bumping merrily along. Similarly I remember reading in late 70s about the coming ice age. Now its the coming heat age for lack of a better description. There is one thing I have learned after 45 years on this planet. All claims about what is going to happen in the future, especially when climate is involved are shiat.


Given your login, you are probably a troll. You do realize the ozone problem was correctly addressed and we mitigated its impact through collective worldwide action on fluorocarbons? It wasn't false, we mostly fixed it. I hope you are a troll and not truly as stupid as your post indicates you may be.
 
2012-08-18 02:17:16 PM  

BigLuca: I think it was a pretty good parallel.


It was a terrible parallel. The Westboro Baptist Church harasses grieving individuals, celebrates tragedies and wishes specific harm against people. They're not merely being "disrespectful".

By contrast, let's analyze the statements that you seem to have taken issue with:

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


Followed by:

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.


Now let's try a little thought experiment. Imagine somebody had said something like "Reaganomics is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society. Stop, please stop." Would it even have occurred to you to comment on how "disrespectful" the person was being, let alone do something really absurd like compare them to the Westboro Baptist Church?

Now, I'm an atheist myself. And it's my view that the world has suffered (and continues to suffer) great harm not due to the mere fact that religious people exist, but rather that religion (even in many ostensibly secular societies) is treated as something exempt from the kinds of criticism that every other sphere of human philosophy is routinely subject to. The kind of snark that wouldn't even be noticed in a conversation about politics or economics is suddenly treated as some sort of high crime when the subject is religion.

Now I said earlier that religious people existing alone doesn't cause any harm, and the corollary to that is more atheists existing won't in and of itself make the world a better place (which is to say that I won't automatically rate something as bad just because it's not likely to immediately result in more "converts" to atheism or what have you). What would make everybody better off, on the other hand, is getting closer to the point where religion can be talked about just like everything else. Sure, people will sometimes just snark in lieu of an in-depth debate but that happens with everything else. Contributing to the lopsided and overly sensitive special treatment that religion gets in these conversations by lecturing and threatening to ignore a poster for engaging in harmless snark certainly won't help matters.
 
2012-08-18 02:23:01 PM  

Honest Bender: Is it wrong to be intolerant of insects in my house?


What about a mouse?
 
2012-08-18 02:23:20 PM  

Trance354: While this may have been a hallucination, something brought on by the lack of oxygen in my system, or the effect of the alcohol(I've outed myself as a recovering drunk on here before), what I can not explain away is the sudden and complete sobriety after the experience. I haven't touched a drop since. I am currently in college(again) for the knowledge to build the entirety of the bunker described above, as well as some nifty inventions that have been caterwalling around my noggin for the last few years. In short, I believe I have had it made painfully obvious there is a higher power, and while he/she/it doesn't intervene much, you should listen when it does happen. I do not post much, nor am I pushing my views on you or others. I am quietly making this world a better place, and working toward a higher goal.


Yeah we call that a God moment. It's awesome. People that don't have one won't get it and it can't be explained. There is no point in trying to explain it to Atheists but the phrase "there are no Atheists in a foxhole" does hold water.
 
2012-08-18 02:24:18 PM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


It got better. At some point they suggested that a problem was not really an issue because some people had already warned against it a few times at different points in time in the past.
 
2012-08-18 02:26:10 PM  

miss diminutive: So I've been stocking my basement with jam, beef jerky and gasoline for nothing? Well that's just farking great.


I read that as "vaseline" and thought..."Ohh! Someone's gonna have a fun apocalypse!"
 
2012-08-18 02:27:09 PM  
 
2012-08-18 02:29:00 PM  

Oznog: [unrealitymag.com image 850x478]


And fashion accessories- the apocalypse is ALL about punk fashion accessories.

www.operatorchan.org
4.bp.blogspot.com
that and assless chaps
 
2012-08-18 02:30:30 PM  

Mugato: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

If you think Christians are "targeted" more it's because of the evangelical Christians who push what they think is the morality part of Christianity while ignoring everything that Jesus actually said. That's why it's "targeted" more.


I think it's just because there are a lot more Christians in this country than any other religious types.
 
2012-08-18 02:30:38 PM  

Trance354: I agree with most atheists about expressing their views(better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth remove all doubt), and you have valid points, but for me, personally, I had a little chat with the higher power during a near death experience a few years ago. I didn't do any talking, and there wasn't much said, but it was made plain to me that our race has a lot more potential than we are currently utilizing.

While this may have been a hallucination, something brought on by the lack of oxygen in my system, or the effect of the alcohol(I've outed myself as a recovering drunk on here before), what I can not explain away is the sudden and complete sobriety after the experience. I haven't touched a drop since. I am currently in college(again) for the knowledge to build the entirety of the bunker described above, as well as some nifty inventions that have been caterwalling around my noggin for the last few years. In short, I believe I have had it made painfully obvious there is a higher power, and while he/she/it doesn't intervene much, you should listen when it does happen. I do not post much, nor am I pushing my views on you or others. I am quietly making this world a better place, and working toward a higher goal.

/resumes full lotus position
//flame on


So, I have never had a similar happening. Somehow I never became a drunk, and don't need a god to tell me right from wrong.

If that incident is what you needed to reach "adult maturity", great. And you can certainly believe what you want. Just don't try to preach to me, or pass laws that involve your religion.
 
2012-08-18 02:35:21 PM  

BummerDuck: Trance354: I agree with most atheists about expressing their views(better to be thought an idiot than to open your mouth remove all doubt), and you have valid points, but for me, personally, I had a little chat with the higher power during a near death experience a few years ago. I didn't do any talking, and there wasn't much said, but it was made plain to me that our race has a lot more potential than we are currently utilizing.

While this may have been a hallucination, something brought on by the lack of oxygen in my system, or the effect of the alcohol(I've outed myself as a recovering drunk on here before), what I can not explain away is the sudden and complete sobriety after the experience. I haven't touched a drop since. I am currently in college(again) for the knowledge to build the entirety of the bunker described above, as well as some nifty inventions that have been caterwalling around my noggin for the last few years. In short, I believe I have had it made painfully obvious there is a higher power, and while he/she/it doesn't intervene much, you should listen when it does happen. I do not post much, nor am I pushing my views on you or others. I am quietly making this world a better place, and working toward a higher goal.

/resumes full lotus position
//flame on

So, I have never had a similar happening. Somehow I never became a drunk, and don't need a god to tell me right from wrong.

If that incident is what you needed to reach "adult maturity", great. And you can certainly believe what you want. Just don't try to preach to me, or pass laws that involve your religion.

.
.
So who is passing laws mandating religion this week?

/Why do I feed the trolls?
 
2012-08-18 02:40:09 PM  

xynix: Yeah we call that a God moment mental illness. It's awesome. People that don't have one won't get it and it can't be explained. There is no point in trying to explain it to Atheists but the phrase "there are no Atheists in a foxhole" does hold water.


FTFY
 
2012-08-18 02:40:16 PM  

Honest Bender: GammaTitan: Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

You don't have to be sarcastic. I'm not tolerant of all view points. Neither are you. You're being rather intolerant of my view point, after all :-)

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world.

I doubt Tiger's individual opinion makes much of an impact on the world. In general, no one person's views do. But if you'll recall, my criticism was that religion in general is detrimental and support of religion contributes to the perpetuation of that detrimental societal factor.

Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me.

My views are rational. I don't pretend to have an understanding of the unknowable.

'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Actually, it's more along the lines of, "You believe THAT? That's a stupid thing to believe in! My beliefs are based on quantifiable, testable data and adjusted to fit the most up to date information available to me." I'm such an elitist...

I'd also like to point out that you criticized me for being intolerant of other people's view points while simultaneously showing your intolerance for my view point... You then criticized me for insulting people (which I never did) and then you insulted me.


Define stupid? YOU think it's stupid. 80%+ of the people of the planet, on the other hand, do not think it's stupid. Your beliefs are just that, beliefs. Attacking someone for not holding your beliefs is, in fact, being an elitist - because you believe your belief structure is elite to others.

And if you TRULY believe what you believe then calling someone stupid is the best way to get them to change their worldview, right? Because insulting people is the best way to get people to change their minds and has shown to work so well over history. ::end sarcasm::

And for the record, I criticized your sanctimonious reaction to her opinion, not the opinion itself. You may be right. Tiger may be right."My beliefs are based on quantifiable, testable data and adjusted to fit the most up to date information available to me." Fact is, you don't know. A 1000 years ago, the most testable data said the earth was the center of the universe, 500 years ago its said the world was flat, 100 years ago its said the Milky way galaxy was the observable universe and 50 years ago the universe was solid state. To quote a movie, 'imagine what you'll KNOW tomorrow.' (ironically, to the point of the thread, it was found that the universe had come into existence following closer to the biblical theory than the 'accepted' scientific theory of 50 years ago). I appreciate you might be right, I appreciate that Tiger might be right. I am smart enough to say, 'I don't know - let's hear from both sides.'

Civil discourse is a lost art these days and has given way to the 'If you don't agree with me, then fark you.' mentality. And to agree with you Bender, the religious people who hold that view scare me. Unfortunately the atheists who hold the same view, scare me just as much.
 
2012-08-18 02:44:46 PM  

Honest Bender: great_tigers:See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.



Well aren't you a ray of farking sunshine.
 
2012-08-18 02:46:54 PM  
D@mn it I don't care about all this shiat. I just wanna know what the Sun is going to be aligned with in The Milky Way.
 
2012-08-18 02:46:54 PM  
2012 apocalypse doesn't real, guys.
 
2012-08-18 02:47:12 PM  
I was promised jet packs and zombies. Get a team working on those now!!
 
2012-08-18 02:48:48 PM  

WeenerGord: [www.wired.com image 660x495]

That is one phallic looking apocalypse



Smokin' hot, too,
 
2012-08-18 02:50:43 PM  
"Only when the last tree has been cut down; Only when the last river has been poisoned; Only when the last fish has been caught; Only then will you find that money cannot be eaten." Proverb, American Indian
 
2012-08-18 02:50:58 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

Don't tell me the end is not near.
 
2012-08-18 02:51:35 PM  
Oh man I can't WAIT for another Fallout game...
 
2012-08-18 02:52:43 PM  
There is nothing more anti-american than telling people not to be afraid.
 
2012-08-18 02:54:39 PM  

Mugato: There's four pages of that shiat? The apocalypse is not going to happen. There, done.


tada
 
2012-08-18 02:56:39 PM  
But has the world already ended? Obama for 4 years has completely destroyed america, right?
And if her gets reelected we will all be living out of cardboard boxes, RIGHT??
kats living with dawgs.

/LOL
 
2012-08-18 02:56:41 PM  

invictus2: that and assless chaps


They have a name for non-assless chaps, they're called PANTS.

I'm ready for the apocalyptic future as long as we get to bang basic pleasure models that look like Daryl Hannah.

blogue.us

Ehrlich, who claimed he had been "goaded" into the bet, growled, "The one thing we'll never run out of is imbeciles."

The funny thing is he wasn't referring to himself. I can't wait to see what comes next. We had global cooling, ozone hole, now global warming is all the rage. Maybe it will be a plague of locusts and we'll finally get some common sense back and DDT will be legal again.
 
2012-08-18 02:57:42 PM  
Well, now I'm scared, because Wired has not successfully predicted anything on it's cover since it began:


PUSH! Kiss your browser goodbye: The radical future of media beyond the Web
"Rocket Science: The First Digital Supergroup"

and my favorite:

The Long Boom

where they predicted 25 years of prosperity based on an information centric society-- 2 years before the the burst of the web bubble.

That's only a few examples off the top of my head; there are dozens more if you look through their archives. Look, I love Wired, but they're about as successful at predicting the future as Popular Mechanics was when they promising everyone would be riding in flying cars back in the 1930's.

Therefore, if Wired is saying there's not going to be an apocalypse, there's going to be a damn apocalypse.
 
2012-08-18 02:58:57 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: CujoQuarrel: Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?

Don't fear him, man. Just don't

You need MORE COWBELL!!


Link

It seemed appropriate somehow
 
2012-08-18 02:59:22 PM  

xynix: Yeah we call that a God moment. It's awesome. People that don't have one won't get it and it can't be explained. There is no point in trying to explain it to Atheists but the phrase "there are no Atheists in a foxhole" does hold water.


Yeah, there's about a billion atheists in the world whose ultimate goal in life achieve and sustain that kind of experience. They're called Buddhists.
 
2012-08-18 03:02:16 PM  
Author seems to take an obvious premise and destroys it with a "we can do no harm to the environment" preachy approach.

Didn't make it past page two.
 
2012-08-18 03:11:49 PM  

ReverendJynxed: miss diminutive: great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.

Honest question: how many people do you hear say this? Are these people you know personally or are you referring to televangelists and the like?

And what if they were right? Wouldn't that be quite a bit of egg on your face?


If they are right then it means I'd be in hell, so a little egg on the face might be a welcome relief.

But the thing is, they've never been right. They've got a worse record than a broken clock.

The reason I asked is because I have quite a few Christian friends and I've never once heard any of them talk about the rapture, the return of Jesus or anything else along those lines. It's possible they believe it and simply never speak of it, but they sure aren't living their lives like they expect to be whisked off to heaven in the near future.
 
2012-08-18 03:12:26 PM  

great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.


I have to agree. If you are an intelligent person and still into a faith you inherited by no choice of your own, you need to grow up. It is hard but, not doing so puts you in league with idiots bent on bringing us back to the bronze age. Any allegiance to this faith does some harm to us all
 
2012-08-18 03:12:52 PM  

drake113: Wired is saying there's not going to be an apocalypse


I thought they were just saying we shouldn't be afraid of it.
 
2012-08-18 03:17:38 PM  
According to Admiral Bird, descendants of Atlantis and Lemuria live in the Inner Utopia of inner Earth and are thousands of years ahead of us technologically and spiritually. They control this planet, not us. If they get pissed enough at us, I could see them starting the surface dwellers over again.
 
2012-08-18 03:19:17 PM  

xynix: GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.

[www.scottgustafson.com image 524x299]


Anyone who claims that ozone depletion was a scare problem has no idea what they are talking about.
 
2012-08-18 03:19:48 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Whar'sMuhWhiskey: There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change.

The only way climate science could be considered "sound science" is if you think "sound science" is "the laws dictated by a majority of self-proclaimed authorities." By that standard, "The Rapture" is also "sound science."

/do you have a doctorate in theology?
//if not, you're too ignorant to have any meaningful input into the "scientific facts" surrounding The Rapture


Hahaha! Just thinking about it now, the biggest threat to all of us are people who think like you! And by "think" I mean "are incapable of thinking" ;-)
 
2012-08-18 03:19:54 PM  
George Will has a column today, "Why Doom Has Not Materialized." Looks like one of these was ripping off the other (though they were both dated yesterday, so I don't know which).

TFA: The best-selling book The Limits to Growth was published 40 years ago by the Club of Rome ... The book forecast that if use continued to accelerate exponentially, world reserves of several metals could run out by 1992...

Will: That year begat "The Limits to Growth," a book from the Club of Rome... [MIT] modelers examined 19 commodities and said that 12 would be gone long before now - aluminum, copper, gold, lead, mercury, molybdenum, natural gas, oil, silver, tin, tungsten and zinc.

TFA: "Some scientists estimate that the world's known supplies of oil, tin, copper, and aluminum will be used up within your lifetime," one read. In fact, as the results of a famous wager between Paul Ehrlich and economist Julian Simon later documented, the metals did not run out.

Will: In 1980, economist Julian Simon made a wager in the form of a complex futures contract. He bet Paul Ehrlich ... that by 1990 the price of any five commodities Ehrlich and his advisers picked would be lower than in 1980. Ehrlich's group picked five metals. All were cheaper in 1990.

Will's column has one advantage: it's only a page long.
 
2012-08-18 03:21:35 PM  
I tell Christians that God is a genocidal ego maniac and then cite the times where God killed everyone on the earth or in the cities because he couldn't make them do what he wanted. All I get back usually is a "I'll pray for you"
 
2012-08-18 03:26:42 PM  

whconner4: Any allegiance to this faith does some harm to us all


I simply don't understand that viewpoint at all. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I don't see some value in believing in a higher power. For some, it provides the motivation to do good towards others and make the world a better place. You could make the argument that they are simply behaving due to a fear of hell or damnation, but I rather see it as they are inherently good people who feel that religion happens to fit their particular viewpoint. I have many Christian friends, as I said earlier in the thread, and they're simply decent people who work as hard as anyone else, help others and generally want everyone to be happy. Of all the religious people I've met, the number who are repressive, anti-science, anti-progress, anti-women, anti-gay are the vast, vast minority. (blah blah, anecdotal evidence, blah blah)

Maybe it's the simply due to the difference between religious groups in Canada in the US, but I just don't run into these end of the world is nigh/the gays are ruining everything/abortion is murder types very often.

I just won't define an entire group of several billion people by their loudest, douchiest (and usually numerically insignificant) members.
 
2012-08-18 03:28:29 PM  

miss diminutive: whconner4: Any allegiance to this faith does some harm to us all

I simply don't understand that viewpoint at all. I'm an atheist, but that doesn't mean I don't see some value in believing in a higher power. For some, it provides the motivation to do good towards others and make the world a better place. You could make the argument that they are simply behaving due to a fear of hell or damnation, but I rather see it as they are inherently good people who feel that religion happens to fit their particular viewpoint. I have many Christian friends, as I said earlier in the thread, and they're simply decent people who work as hard as anyone else, help others and generally want everyone to be happy. Of all the religious people I've met, the number who are repressive, anti-science, anti-progress, anti-women, anti-gay are the vast, vast minority. (blah blah, anecdotal evidence, blah blah)

Maybe it's the simply due to the difference between religious groups in Canada in the US, but I just don't run into these end of the world is nigh/the gays are ruining everything/abortion is murder types very often.

I just won't define an entire group of several billion people by their loudest, douchiest (and usually numerically insignificant) members.


As someone who was mentally used and abused in a religion, I can tell you for a FACT, that religion does no one good. You don't have to be religious to be a good person.
 
2012-08-18 03:29:20 PM  

miss diminutive: So I've been stocking my basement with jam, beef jerky and gasoline for nothing? Well that's just farking great.


World/humanity-wide apocalypse is highly unlikely. Things like Katrina, earthquakes, and tsunamis are not (depending on where you're located).

BTW, where are you located? I want to know where I can break into for supplies when the time comes.

Oh, just remembered you're awfully cute, so... How YOU doin'?
 
2012-08-18 03:29:51 PM  
Hmmmmmmm, let's see:

1. The world will end on _____ xx, 2012;"

2. Send me all your money.

3. Oops! Turns out it will be _____ XX, 2013 instead.

4. Send me all your money.

That about get it?
 
2012-08-18 03:32:17 PM  
So, exactly how many people did die of malnutrition during the 1970s and 80s?

My rough calculation makes it HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS!

Twenty years, fifteen million a year, three hundred million, BINGO! Right on target.

Only it wasn't big showy famines like the famous Biafran famine that killed most of them. Most of them died of malnutrition on a day-to-day not getting enough to eat basis.

We have several major famines going on right now, Mr. That's All Solved Conservative. All across East Africa and West Africa the Sahal is blooming with its annual warnings from charities that famine is stalking Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, the Sudan, Mali, etc.

At least 100 million Indians, probably two or three hundred million, are hungry right now. Most of the new found wealth of China is concentrated in the export-oriented provinces or states of East China, and especially coastal areas. In the West, the peasants are still desperately poor despite some attempts by the Chinese elites to spread the wealth around a little, prevent grumbling, rebellion and embarassment.

For example, the embarassment of counting how many people are dying for lack of a few pennies worth of micro-nutrients (vitamins and minerals, including salt to prevent 2.5 million child deaths a year from diarrhea, the biggest killer).

Same old, same old. Conservatives deny, liberals supply.
 
2012-08-18 03:33:09 PM  

invictus2: assless chaps


Chaps are assless pants. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-08-18 03:34:36 PM  
I am not a bad person. I have never harmed anyone physically or mentally. And yet, it's religious belief that I am not going to "heaven" because I did not accept Jesus into my life. And these people you claim are nice people would rather me go to hell because I don't believe.There are no nice Christians. Nice people don't wish for harmless people to go to hell just cause they don't believe.

Another thing that gets me is, smart people, actually fall for this. They throw all their intelligence out the window.
 
2012-08-18 03:37:57 PM  

ontariolightning: As someone who was mentally used and abused in a religion by people adhering to a specific religion, I can tell you for a FACT, that religion does no one good. .


Human beings believing in something and twisting it to fit their own agenda abused you.

ontariolightning: You don't have to be religious to be a good person.


I never said otherwise. Morality and ethics don't require a religious framework.
 
2012-08-18 03:38:18 PM  
When I travelled through Europe in 1970, the after effects of Y One K were still apparent in some places.

People became convinced the world would end on Dec. 31, 999 and for 50 years nothing was built. Craftsmen in 50 different trades grew old and died, leaving no trained men to take their places. It was an unmitigated technical disaster. Progress stalled for a century.

Towards the end it got bad indeed: Banks refused to lend money, students saw no need to go to school---all of society collapsed.

MORAL: The end of the world is a fake but people acting stupid is a sure bet.
 
2012-08-18 03:39:35 PM  
I wasn't going to chime in on this until I saw this post:

Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.


If the world does end anytime soon, it will not be because of natural causes. It will be because of intolerant dipshiats like you pissing off other intolerant dipshiats. The thing is... you just have a keyboard to start your shiat and react to shiat. A few of those intolerant dipshiats have militaries and bombs that can take out whole cities at their disposal. Your and their hate is a detriment to society on a much larger scale.

Stop, please stop.
 
2012-08-18 03:39:49 PM  

miss diminutive: ontariolightning: As someone who was mentally used and abused in a religion by people adhering to a specific religion, I can tell you for a FACT, that religion does no one good. .

Human beings believing in something and twisting it to fit their own agenda abused you.
.


No a religion did. The people were just brainwashed Jehovahs Witnesses who were raised up as one
They had no control over themselves because the cult has them
 
2012-08-18 03:41:31 PM  
I don't necessarily welcome an apocalypse, but I am not afraid of it - and I am prepared.

I have 8 full months rations stored, including enough water. I am also fairly well armed. (My girlfriend and I each have a handgun, a short-barrel shotgun with pistol grip -Mossberg 500's- and one rifle -- with PLENTY of ammo)

Most studies of an "economic-style" or general societal collapse (something where the power just goes out one day and never comes back on) say that half of current society will have died by six months. Our readiness will allow us to simply hole up for around 4-5 months until the initial mayhem dies away and people riot for the remaining food supplies, which will disappear within weeks.

My property is rural. The acreage is covered in pit traps and tripwires - and I have 3 cases of fragmentation mines ready to get laid out (it will take me one day to mine the whole property - I have timed it)

If the world is just too bad off after 8-12 months, and society has not started to reform, or if we are overwhelmed by raiders, we have cyanide capules which we wear around our necks. In the case of a raid, I can also blow our whole compound sky high by accessing one switch inside secret compartment on my fireplace.

Let it come. I have enough solar to power my mp3 player and we have books galore to read while the world burns.
 
2012-08-18 03:42:33 PM  
Apocalypse is just somebody trying to sell you something.
 
2012-08-18 03:44:43 PM  
Some day in the far future someone will my three garbage bags full of bottle caps in my garage and jizz themselves.
 
2012-08-18 03:45:02 PM  
Hunger is the number one cause of economic underdevelopment.

It causes mental retardation and physical disability, thus rendering the poor less productive.

From the World Food Programme:

Iodine deficiency is the greatest single cause of mental retardation and brain damage, affecting 1.9 billion people worldwide. It can easily be prevented by adding iodine to salt.
(Source: World Nutrition Situation 5th report ,UN Standing Committee on Nutrition2005)

One third of the world's population is retarded by lack of iodine. We have known that iodine prevents feeblemindness since the 1820s at least. The great French writer, Honoré de Balzac wrote a novel about a country doctor trying to convince the authorities to fight goitre (an iodine defeciency disease) and mental retardation entitled Le Medecin de campagne. It is still read in French literature classes.

There should be alarms going off, really, all the time. Red flags and bunting flying from every building. The world in panic. But the world doesn't panic about real problems. It only panics about made-up problems created by politicians, journalists, religious leaders, lawyers, doctors, nutritionists, PR flacks, media whores, dumb starlets who call themselves actors because they realize dumb starlet is an offensive stereotype, and every other kind of feeble-minded twit you can think of.

http://www.wfp.org/hunger/stats/
 
2012-08-18 03:45:34 PM  

Optimus Primate: I don't necessarily welcome an apocalypse, but I am not afraid of it - and I am prepared.

I have 8 full months rations stored, including enough water. I am also fairly well armed. (My girlfriend and I each have a handgun, a short-barrel shotgun with pistol grip -Mossberg 500's- and one rifle -- with PLENTY of ammo)

Most studies of an "economic-style" or general societal collapse (something where the power just goes out one day and never comes back on) say that half of current society will have died by six months. Our readiness will allow us to simply hole up for around 4-5 months until the initial mayhem dies away and people riot for the remaining food supplies, which will disappear within weeks.

My property is rural. The acreage is covered in pit traps and tripwires - and I have 3 cases of fragmentation mines ready to get laid out (it will take me one day to mine the whole property - I have timed it)

If the world is just too bad off after 8-12 months, and society has not started to reform, or if we are overwhelmed by raiders, we have cyanide capules which we wear around our necks. In the case of a raid, I can also blow our whole compound sky high by accessing one switch inside secret compartment on my fireplace.

Let it come. I have enough solar to power my mp3 player and we have books galore to read while the world burns.


[backing_away_slowly.gif]
 
2012-08-18 03:48:57 PM  
I figure as long as I can gaze into Keira Knightley's eyes as the world ends then how could I possibly be afraid?
 
2012-08-18 03:52:16 PM  
Iron deficiency is the most prevalent form of malnutrition worldwide, affecting an estimated 2 billion people. Eradicating iron deficiency can improve national productivity levels by as much as 20 percent.
(Source: World Health Organization, WHO Global Database on Anaemia)


Do you know how upper class and upper middle class ladies used to mope about romantically, dying of consumption or fainting at the drop of a top hat? It was because they didn't eat properly. Even rich women suffered from malnutrition in the 1700s and 1800s. It was only with modern science and women's lib that they started to tuck into the odd steak from time to time, loosen their corsets and kick out against their oppressors in Church, State and Home.

You've come a long way, baby, and I'm not talking about the right to poison yourself and everybody around you with the toxic by-products of burning weeds.

But you've got a long way to go. We all know, and have known for a couple of centuries now, that iron is an essential part of every diet. Yet for the lack of a few iron tablets, men, but especially women and children, still are unable to be the slaves that their masters dream of. 60% of the malnourished (adults) in the world are women and children not doubt account for more of the deaths than even women. In short, the problem has not changed measurably since the days that humans roamed the Earth competing badly with smarter and better-organized troops of baboons.

Fark you, daddy!

There's a reason why more women are liberals and more men are conservatives. Women are smarter than men. They care more: if not about your personally well padded rump, than about women and children all too like themselves. After all, upper class white women are still 60% of the upper class malnourished. Possibly more.
 
2012-08-18 03:55:22 PM  
One out of four children - roughly 146 million - in developing countries is underweight
(Source: The State of the World's Children, UNICEF, 2007)

10.9 million children under five die in developing countries each year. Malnutrition and hunger-related diseases cause 60 percent of the deaths;
(Source: The State of the World's Children, UNICEF, 2007)

You realize I am getting these stats from one webpage? About a standard letter-sized sheet of paper's worth? 250 words, maybe.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Go back to sleep humanity. We'll wake you up when it is Doom's Day.
 
2012-08-18 03:56:47 PM  
maybe when the milky way collides with the andromeda galaxy in 2½ billion years

/i'm not planning on it
/when the sun goes in 8 billion years....everybody goes
 
2012-08-18 04:00:56 PM  
Is it wrong that I consider the movie Melancholia as having the best feel-good ending that I can recall?
 
2012-08-18 04:03:09 PM  

BigLuca: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

As a fellow atheist the only thing that annoys me more than fundies spouting their nonsense is completely rational and logic people that are totally intolerant of others views, and more so, are complete assholes about it. You want to believe in magic unicorns that grant wishes? Ok, fine. I might respectfully try and point out your errors in logic, or I may chuckle a little and change the subject, but what I won't do is laugh in your face, spit on you, then run away waving my dick at the crowd. Like you did in your post.

From a totally utilitarian standpoint of trying to draw more people to atheism, you are the atheist equivalent of the Westboro church. You will drive more people away because they will associate atheism with disrespectful, name calling pricks, rather than people with a rational and thoughtful approach to life.

I recognize your handle and have agreed with many of your posts in the past, but because of the above points ... welcome to ignore list.


Thanks Big for having an open mind. I hope you see my disappointment in the members of my religion and realize that I am trying to make the point of not forcing opinions (like the apocalypse) upon others. I know you might not care, but you were just added to my favorite list because of your ideals.
 
2012-08-18 04:06:12 PM  

whconner4: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

I have to agree. If you are an intelligent person and still into a faith you inherited by no choice of your own, you need to grow up. It is hard but, not doing so puts you in league with idiots bent on bringing us back to the bronze age. Any allegiance to this faith does some harm to us all


What if you're an intelligent person that still believes in something? What if they chose to believe what they want to believe? How does my faith harm you?
 
2012-08-18 04:09:38 PM  

Sinescent: maybe when the milky way collides with the andromeda galaxy in 2½ billion years

/i'm not planning on it
/when the sun goes in 8 billion years....everybody goes


I've got a space ship , fully equipped ....
I don't plan on being here when it goes.
Not sure what to do when the whole universe goes but that's another problem
 
2012-08-18 04:10:47 PM  

great_tigers: As a Christian it pains me to hear others say "God told me it will end on this date." Matthew 24:36, I know on this site many individuals look negatively towards religion and it seems that Christianity is the most targeted one. People that make these claims of the return of Christ will happen on such and such a date only fuels more to the fire.

Stop, please stop.


anytime anyone uses the phrase "God told me..." I immediately discount them as a total fool, and I nod and smile politely as they finish their rant. there are people like this, both clergy and laymen, in every church and house of worship I've ever been to.

people that truly and honestly think in their hearts that God is talking to them scare the hell out of me. I'm pretty sure they are either disillusioned fools or they are mentally ill. in either case i pity them and hope they some day get the help they so desperately need.
 
2012-08-18 04:14:13 PM  
Who are these "debunking" articles written for?

They won't sway believers. Many of the signs they were told to look for are occurring. Explainable or not, their belief is not based on rationality and therefore rationalization has little or no effect.

As for non-believers, they shouldn't need reassurance if nothing is happening? If its all these events (frequent major disasters, freakish weather, looming economic collapse) just "normal cycles of the Earth and humankind" then why bother wasting all the words laying out rationalizations?
 
2012-08-18 04:16:00 PM  
Also, why waste effort writing "debunking" articles? Won't they be proven right simply by the world's (and mankind's) continued existence?
 
2012-08-18 04:16:47 PM  

GammaTitan: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

Wow, your tolerance for other peoples views is amazing. :: end sarcasm::

I doubt Tiger's opinion is out harming the world. In fact, I suspect that if more Christians had her world view - we'd be in a much better place. Yours, on the other hand, frightens the crap out of me. 'You BETTER farking agree with exactly what I believe, or I will insult you. For my truth is far more superior to your truth.'

Elitist much?


Thanks,
 
2012-08-18 04:17:16 PM  

gerbilpox: miss diminutive: So I've been stocking my basement with jam, beef jerky and gasoline for nothing? Well that's just farking great.

World/humanity-wide apocalypse is highly unlikely. Things like Katrina, earthquakes, and tsunamis are not (depending on where you're located).

BTW, where are you located? I want to know where I can break into for supplies when the time comes.

Oh, just remembered you're awfully cute, so... How YOU doin'?


Where am I located? You know all those militia that hoard guns and ammo and like to wear army fatigues and talk about the constitution all the time? I'm renting their basement apartment. No need to break in though, they'll gladly let you in if you ask nicely. The passphrase is "I'm with the FBI".

/my beef jerky from my cold, dead hands
 
2012-08-18 04:26:52 PM  
Okay, I can't make it through four pages of that. Got the immediate feeling the author is a Pollyanna.

The world isn't gonna end though.

Civilization might go offline for a while, if shiat gets bad enough. But the world is gonna keep on truckin'.
 
2012-08-18 04:31:22 PM  

Impending Broom: What about the Reaper?


Don't fear the Reaper.
 
2012-08-18 04:33:50 PM  
great_tigers:

If more people of ALL religions and beliefs (and I include atheism in that) were more vocal about taking a "live and let live" tolerant mentality like you, we wouldn't have half the problems in the world that we do today. Unfortunately, the vocal ones aren't tolerant of different beliefs even within their own religions.
 
2012-08-18 04:58:03 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Okay, I can't make it through four pages of that. Got the immediate feeling the author is a Pollyanna.

The world isn't gonna end though.

Civilization might go offline for a while, if shiat gets bad enough. But the world is gonna keep on truckin'.


probably not even civilization. Poor people in Bangladesh will die. Which is no different than they live today.
Poor people who are struggling today will continue to struggle.
People with little or no skillz, will continue to struggle, or run of office.
People and countries will make changes when the costs of not making changes exceed the costs of making changes. Exactly like it is today.

Countries with armies will protect their own country's interests and attack other countries which threaten their own interests. Exactly like today.

We will recycle when we are forced to do it. Like today.

Many people will be forced to eat less than they would like to. like today.
Some really fat people might lose weight because of this? how is that bad??

Water prices might reflect actual costs and water usage will go down? Been happening around the world since day one.

so yah
YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
or CHICKEN little if it makes you feel better
 
2012-08-18 05:01:16 PM  
Silent Spring has been responsible for killing more people than we want to count.
How many people die from malaria each year which could have been avoided if those countries could have continued to use DDT?

Cold Equation time - human lives were less valuable than the lives of some birds. maybe.
 
2012-08-18 05:10:43 PM  
TFA seems to think that increased mobility and densely populated cities are good for preventing pandemics because people have less contact with animals.

Sure, that makes it less likely to happen, but it'll make it way worse when it eventually does.
 
2012-08-18 05:10:53 PM  

Honest Bender: KimNorth: You sound like you hate yourself, there for everyone else.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Maybe if you hurl more baseless insults, it'll prove your point better. Whatever that point was...

way south: The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity

Eh... you might have a point if universal intolerance was a bad thing. Is it wrong to be intolerant of murderers? Is it wrong to be intolerant of insects in my house? Is it wrong for me to be intolerant of homophobes?

Is it wrong of me to be intolerant of a mindset that's an anchor around the throat of a progressive society?


To the point of being illiberal or destructive to your own goals?

A society that feels the need to shame, force, or beat half its members into submission is probably one that you don't want to live in anyway. Because What you would create is exactly what people hate most about theocracies.
The problem isn't about God, it's about people not accepting others for who the are. It's the lack of patience and the refusal to reason or meet others halfway. It's the quick tempered moves to segregate people that can lead to an imbalance of power and create strife.
You would end up burning the house down just because you don't like bugs.
 
2012-08-18 05:34:43 PM  

dready zim: way south: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small.

Stop, please stop.

I respect your opinion. Thanks for the insult.

See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it.

The funny thing is that intolerance Is one of the greatest destructive forces developed by humanity. It has been demonstrated to kill millions at a time and decimates nations.

/Armageddon is still in the cards for us.
/because even without religion, intolerance thrives.

I tolerate religion. I don`t like it and I don`t respect it.

Think about the meaning of these sentences

"Your words have given me hope for the world"
"I like your words"
"I respect your words"
"I don`t like your words"
"I tolerate your words"
"I despise your words but still tolerate them"
"You have the right to express yourself with those words"
"Your words are harmful to everyone around you, I don`t like you saying them and I wish you would stop, but I will tolerate them"
"Your religion is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small. Stop, please stop."

If I were to say that "my opinion is that everyone should have sex with their own children whilst beating their wife (who they keep like a slave) and their slaves and the children they forcefully had with said slaves."


See how blanket respect fails when people have idiotic ideas? Respect is earned, it is not and should not be automatic for everyone. Not everyone deserves it.

You don`t have to like something or respect something to tolerate it. More christians should realise this when expressing christan `tolerance`


Religion is a very old part of human history and It has seen us through some very dark times. It gave hope to our ancestors and protected many institutions. It has helped to unite the large societies that gave rise to this modern world. Respect has been earned, which is why religious freedom has its protections.

I believe it is possible to disagree with someone and even dislike them without showing contempt or disrespect for who they are. It's as simple as knowing when to bite your tounge.
The reward is that you can win a debate against people of great fortitude through patient reasoning.

Besides, the alternative of being intolerant or hard headed against the church means playing a game it's dominated for the last few thousand years.

/or you could paint with broad brushes because all of the faithful look the same.
/go ahead and question the preachers faith while you're at it.
/I'm sure no ones ever tried that before...
 
2012-08-18 05:54:10 PM  
For your entertainment, the soundtrack for the end of the world:

Calamity Song, by The Decemberists.

/IRLIBSYR, you're such a dick
 
2012-08-18 06:07:05 PM  
A lot of shiat is going to happen late December. In October you may know more about what that "a lot" is.

Especially if you make lists.
 
2012-08-18 06:38:05 PM  
The Apocalypse? Really? Two words: clothing optional.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-18 06:47:31 PM  

Spanky McStupid: The Apocalypse? Really? Two words: clothing optional.

[i49.tinypic.com image 549x549]


Four words: No electricity for photoshop.

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-08-18 06:56:36 PM  
I'm waiting for the crazy people who figure that the end of the world is really coming, based on the calendar of an ancient and extinct civilization rolling over. I'm waiting for the religious fundies to gather for prayer services and the organized religions of the world to hold out their hands for charity, so they can fill their war chests help the needy after the crisis. I'm waiting for the "end of the Worldtm" bar parties where even the nerds have a chance to take a woman home, because we are all getting verschnakered that night.

/it'll be fun, me thinks
 
2012-08-18 07:27:07 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Whar'sMuhWhiskey: There's a big difference between predictions created from whole cloth, like "The Rapture", and those that are based on sound science and several lines of converging evidence, like climate change.

The only way climate science could be considered "sound science" is if you think "sound science" is "the laws dictated by a majority of self-proclaimed authorities." By that standard, "The Rapture" is also "sound science."

/do you have a doctorate in theology?
//if not, you're too ignorant to have any meaningful input into the "scientific facts" surrounding The Rapture


Hahaha! Just thinking about this now, probably the biggest threat to all of us is people who think like you do. And by "think like you", I mean "can't think at all". If I didn't know any better, I'd think you're from the butthole of the confederacy. (checks profile). Ooopsie!
 
2012-08-18 07:39:50 PM  

way south: dready zim: way south: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Honest Bender: great_tigers: Stop, please stop.

way south: ....The reward is that you can win a debate against people of great fortitude through patient reasoning....

Nope, you can't win a debate against a zealot. Or maybe you can win, but the zealot won't know that he's lost.

 
2012-08-18 07:48:07 PM  

Whar'sMuhWhiskey: Nope, you can't win a debate against a zealot. Or maybe you can win, but the zealot won't know that he's lost.


PROTIP: "Getting so butthurt you repeatedly post the same ad hominems in an effort to get someone to look at you" isn't the same as winning an argument.

/HTH
 
2012-08-18 07:52:45 PM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


Actually, that's probably the only thing they're wrong about. Most of the stuff people freak out about is BS.

/So get a bunker, stock it up, and relax. You can always rent the thing out for parties.
 
2012-08-18 08:04:28 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Spanky McStupid: The Apocalypse? Really? Two words: clothing optional.

[i49.tinypic.com image 549x549]

Four words: No electricity for photoshop.


Either way, I'm good.
 
2012-08-18 08:05:58 PM  

PsiChick: /So get a bunker, stock it up, and relax. You can always rent the thing out for parties.


Bunkers are so passe. I've got an entire shadow government ready to drop into place, if it's ever needed.

/it will offend a lot of people, and many would rather die than be protected by it
//that's not a bug, it's a feature
 
2012-08-18 08:23:50 PM  

Tatterdemalian: PsiChick: /So get a bunker, stock it up, and relax. You can always rent the thing out for parties.

Bunkers are so passe. I've got an entire shadow government ready to drop into place, if it's ever needed.

/it will offend a lot of people, and many would rather die than be protected by it
//that's not a bug, it's a feature


If the offending part is gay pride parades every day, or even herds of pink-striped zebras marching around, I'm all for it.
 
2012-08-18 08:31:18 PM  

John Stamos: Oh man I can't WAIT for another Fallout game...


Same.
 
2012-08-18 08:31:58 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Whar'sMuhWhiskey: Nope, you can't win a debate against a zealot. Or maybe you can win, but the zealot won't know that he's lost.

PROTIP: "Getting so butthurt you repeatedly post the same ad hominems in an effort to get someone to look at you" isn't the same as winning an argument.

/HTH


See what I mean?
 
2012-08-18 11:45:15 PM  
an interesting review of recent history, but with a stupid, stupid premise

"warnings about impending doom are all nonsense because we're all still here right now, see?"

Air pollution, Malaria, AIDs and food and energy production are just a few areas he covered that were once called out as the source of mankinds destruction, but each of which amounted to little impact because mankind did something about it.

In each of those cases, one has to wonder if there had not been a call to action via doom-and-gloom overstatement whether the political will would have been found to take action.

Should that mean every impending "crisis" be met with the same will and resourcing? I don't know for sure, but I do know that would have been a far more interesting article than four pages of "you are here".

/your blog sucks
 
2012-08-19 12:35:48 AM  

Mugato: There's four pages of that shiat? The apocalypse is not going to happen. There, done.



Eventually it will though. The Sun won't last forever.
 
2012-08-19 01:06:13 AM  
Biological Ali:
It was a terrible parallel. The Westboro Baptist Church harasses grieving individuals, celebrates tragedies and wishes specific harm against people. They're not merely being "disrespectful".

Parallel does not mean that each is exactly the same. I compared the poster to the church because both drive people away from the respective ideologies and are not representative of their larger groups. Plus, yes, both are being disrespectful, although there certainly is a difference in scale.

By contrast, let's analyze the statements that you seem to have taken issue with: Your religion is a fairy tail. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society, however small. Stop, please stop. Followed by:
See, that's just it. I don't respect your opinion. It's moronic and harmful to us all. I can't help it if you find the truth insulting. Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Too bad. You're an adult. Deal with it. Now let's try a little thought experiment. Imagine somebody had said something like "Reaganomics is a fairy tale. Your adherence to it is a detriment to society. Stop, please stop." Would it even have occurred to you to comment on how "disrespectful" the person was being, let alone do something really absurd like compare them to the Westboro Baptist Church?


First of all, religion is not politics. Nothing in the initial post suggests the poster wanted to force his beliefs others, while support (and ostensibly voting for) economics policies WILL impact me. So, no, not all that similar. Secondly, if all the second poster in your Reaganomics example had to say was "You are stupid and so was your idea" (paraphrased) then yes, I would have thought that was disrespectful and not helpful to the discussion, although I would probably be reading the politics tab so I wouldn't have bothered to comment. Lastly, atheistic views should be based on rational reflection and thought. People should be atheist because it MAKES SENSE. That is the whole point of atheism. Devolving the argument into petty name calling gives each side equal chance of winning ... you just have to give the biggest insult and your side wins, right? I'm sick of that shiat. Atheism can stand on its own two feet. Let it.

Now, I'm an atheist myself. And it's my view that the world has suffered (and continues to suffer) great harm not due to the mere fact that religious people exist, but rather that religion (even in many ostensibly secular societies) is treated as something exempt from the kinds of criticism that every other sphere of human philosophy is routinely subject to.

My response is pretty much the same as above. If you get into an argument with a religious person and his argument is "You stance is wrong and you suck because of it!" Your response shouldn't be, "No, you suck worse, farker!" It should be to point out that what he said isn't an argument, it's an expression of emotion, and if that is all his beliefs are based on then maybe he should rethink his premise. Refusing to engage in a shouting match is not admitting weakness.

What would make everybody better off, on the other hand, is getting closer to the point where religion can be talked about just like everything else.

Holy crap, do we not need that. "Everything else" has degenerated into a series of gotcha moments and bumper stickers. It's not even about atheism vs religion any more, it is about the de-evolution of critical thought. If we can get that started again, atheism will come naturally.

Contributing to the lopsided and overly sensitive special treatment that religion gets in these conversations by lecturing and threatening to ignore a poster for engaging in harmless snark certainly won't help matters.

I ignore anyone that does not understand logic, like if they say "because it says so in the bible" as a reason for a belief. Or purposefully ignores logic (trolls). They won't listen to anything i have to say anyway, and I won't be able to expand or complete my perspective because of anything they have to say. So why bother. If I wanted to engage in snarky name calling I would go back to junior high. Saying "You and your ideas suck" to someone being critical of extremists in religion falls into one of those two categories. And THAT is what certainly won't help matters.
 
2012-08-19 09:23:04 AM  

desertgeek: If the world does end anytime soon, it will not be because of natural causes. It will be because of intolerant dipshiats like you pissing off other intolerant dipshiats.


Hardly. There is exactly one thing that will destroy the world: Greed.
 
2012-08-19 10:17:29 AM  

GAT_00: Really? You're going to pretend that ozone depletion wasn't, and still isn't, a problem?

That's where I stopped reading.


Yeah, this reads like Republican propaganda.

Having averted some disasters doesn't mean there aren't more out there. Consider what would have happened if SARS had made it into a third world area. The death toll would have been in the millions. Many, many millions.

So long as the number of cases were small and in areas with decent health systems it could be contained. If the system had overloaded or it had gotten into areas that couldn't handle it.... The lethality would have shot up once there were more patients that needed ventilators than there were ventilators.

Or the real scare we got with Ebola in the US. 100% lethal, apparently airborne. Fortunately it did nothing to humans, it only wiped out the monkeys(?) in the facility. Airborne, high lethality, no vaccine--chances are there wouldn't be enough survivors to maintain civilization.

brantgoose: So, exactly how many people did die of malnutrition during the 1970s and 80s?

My rough calculation makes it HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS!

Twenty years, fifteen million a year, three hundred million, BINGO! Right on target.

Only it wasn't big showy famines like the famous Biafran famine that killed most of them. Most of them died of malnutrition on a day-to-day not getting enough to eat basis.

We have several major famines going on right now, Mr. That's All Solved Conservative. All across East Africa and West Africa the Sahal is blooming with its annual warnings from charities that famine is stalking Somalia, Ethiopia, Kenya, the Sudan, Mali, etc.


I'm not sure I would call them famines as they are the normal state of life over there by now.

We are simply seeing a reversion to the normal state of existence for most of history: People live on the edge of the food supply. If the supply is fairly smooth it shows as massive numbers of malnutrition deaths and the like, mostly amongst kids and the elderly. If it's more variable you see newsworthy famines.

The population *CAN'T* go above the carrying capacity in the long run. Either we control the birth rate or nature raises the death rate. (Note that the carrying capacity is a function of technology, it's not fixed.)

Spanky McStupid: The Apocalypse? Really? Two words: clothing optional.

[i49.tinypic.com image 549x549]


Who is the hottie?
 
2012-08-19 11:44:19 AM  

Honest Bender: Psychohazard: Religious fundamentalism? Atheistic fundamentalism? Both are totally unnecessary.

Some people just like being dicks.

I'm not really sure what point you were trying to make. Are you trying to say I'm an atheistic fundamentalist and therefore a dick? My dickishness aside, I like to think of myself as a scientist. I don't pretend to know the origin of the universe or life or whatever. I recognize that I don't have sufficient data to make a decision.

The problem I have with religion is that, as a whole, it has a detrimental effect on society. It doesn't matter what your personal contribution is. That's irrelevant. By propagating religious beliefs, you're contributing, however small, to the notion that religion is an acceptable thing to have in our society. You're contributing to the validity of the fundamentalists.

Asking me to be tolerant of religious beliefs is, to me, the same as asking me to be tolerant of criminals and hate groups. Because, like, they just have a different opinion, man.


Sorry about the late reply. That said, you say that you think yourself a scientist, and then, in the next paragraph say that religion, as whole, has a detrimental effect on society. Where's your scientific evidence of this? Is it purely observational? Are you that certain of yourself that you want individual's and societies to completely change their behavior based on this evidence? Scientists doubt themselves. You may think yourself a scientist, but you don't think like a scientist.

Instead, you seem to use other people's religion as an excuse to be a dick to them.
 
2012-08-19 12:05:14 PM  

Psychohazard: Where's your scientific evidence of this? Is it purely observational?


Yes.

Are you that certain of yourself that you want individual's and societies to completely change their behavior based on this evidence?

That would be nice, but I only speak for myself. It seems like you're trying to say that because I can't prove my opinion objectively through the scientific method, that I'm somehow not qualified to have that opinion in the first place. That's pretty craptastic logic. I can't consider myself a scientist unless I put every thought and opinion I have through rigorous scientific testing? Did you expect me to take you seriously with that?

It's my opinion that people who drive the speed limit in the passing lane are assholes. Should I dedicate the next few years of my life to exhaustive scientific testing of that theory? Your argument is weak. The logic it's predicated on is flawed. I'm pretty sure you aren't this foolish in the real world. Think your arguments through first.
 
2012-08-19 12:13:51 PM  

Honest Bender: Psychohazard: Where's your scientific evidence of this? Is it purely observational?

Yes.

Are you that certain of yourself that you want individual's and societies to completely change their behavior based on this evidence?

That would be nice, but I only speak for myself. It seems like you're trying to say that because I can't prove my opinion objectively through the scientific method, that I'm somehow not qualified to have that opinion in the first place. That's pretty craptastic logic. I can't consider myself a scientist unless I put every thought and opinion I have through rigorous scientific testing? Did you expect me to take you seriously with that?

It's my opinion that people who drive the speed limit in the passing lane are assholes. Should I dedicate the next few years of my life to exhaustive scientific testing of that theory? Your argument is weak. The logic it's predicated on is flawed. I'm pretty sure you aren't this foolish in the real world. Think your arguments through first.


What I'm saying is that you shouldn't evoke the scientific field, and the respect it has rightly earned, to back up your opinions. You want to call yourself a scientist? Fine--do it in threads where you act like one.

And what I stand by is that you've come to a pretty certain conclusion despite what I'm sensing is a pretty surface level understanding of the topics involved.
 
2012-08-19 12:31:32 PM  

Psychohazard: What I'm saying is that you shouldn't evoke the scientific field, and the respect it has rightly earned, to back up your opinions. You want to call yourself a scientist? Fine--do it in threads where you act like one.


I'm a scientist in the context of religion. I base my beliefs and opinions on the observable, measurable, testable universe. I don't have respect for people who base their beliefs and opinions on the meta-physical.

It's ridiculous that I even have to explain this to you. Are you familiar with the concept of context?

And what I stand by is that you've come to a pretty certain conclusion despite what I'm sensing is a pretty surface level understanding of the topics involved.

Care to elaborate?
 
2012-08-19 02:06:42 PM  
In fact, religion has a good effect on the vast majority of society, in terms of crowd control, and presenting an ideal for all to strive for with a promise of reward, even if it is imaginary.

People play video games for hours on end in hopes of an even more imaginary reward.

Those who feel left out of the ideal, and others, may complain about the imperfections of religions and those who serve them.

It is said that even the devil can quote scripture. People who serve religions are as imperfect as anyone, though most of them do try to be better.

If you focus only on the devil in the midst, you may lose sight of the entire flock.
 
2012-08-19 02:16:13 PM  

WeenerGord: People play video games for hours on end in hopes of an even more imaginary reward.


Well, when kong donkeys start getting elected to office, and start writing up laws based on their belief that the princess is in another castle, you might have a point. Also, I'm pretty sure the items/gold/XP earned in video games is less imaginary than heaven...

And the goodness inside of us doesn't come from religion. If you need the threat of punishment held over your head or the promise of reward in order to be a good person, YOU'RE NOT A GOOD PERSON!

If you focus only on the devil in the midst, you may lose sight of the entire flock.

Very Machiavellian of you. Please overlook the evils religion has perpetrated, because... well, there are some really swell people out there. People who you seem to think wouldn't be good without the old carrot and stick.
 
2012-08-19 03:24:30 PM  

Honest Bender: And the goodness inside of us doesn't come from religion. If you need the threat of punishment held over your head or the promise of reward in order to be a good person, YOU'RE NOT A GOOD PERSON!


Then nobody is a good person. Including you.

/you haven't sacrificed your life for the greater good yet, so you're holding your life back and greedily keeping to yourself.
//if you had, you wouldn't be able to write FARK posts
 
2012-08-19 03:25:21 PM  
This is how the apocalypse is going to go down... the sun will burn out and destroy the solar system. In 30 billion years or so. So judging by the history of evolution so far, by then, man will have evolved into Q from Star Trek level of beings and won't give a shiat about earth. I know that's ego-deflating to a lot of fundies who are praying that ours is the "special" generation that gets to see the Rapture but there it is.
 
2012-08-19 04:00:13 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Honest Bender: And the goodness inside of us doesn't come from religion. If you need the threat of punishment held over your head or the promise of reward in order to be a good person, YOU'RE NOT A GOOD PERSON!

Then nobody is a good person. Including you.

/you haven't sacrificed your life for the greater good yet, so you're holding your life back and greedily keeping to yourself.
//if you had, you wouldn't be able to write FARK posts


That makes absolutely no sense at all. Not on any level. At all. Please explain yourself.
 
2012-08-19 04:36:43 PM  

Mugato:
That makes absolutely no sense at all. Not on any level. At all. Please explain yourself.


We live in a world where people can end their own lives to not only relieve overpopulation, but also to donate their organs to save the lives of others born with deadly defects through no fault of their own. Anyone who fails to do so is greedily refusing to sacrifice their lives for the greater good, and HonestBender has already declared such greed is a sin that will destroy the world.

If he hasn't sacrificed himself, with no threat of punishment or promise of reward, then he is just as greedy and sinful as the people he's yelling at.

/or maybe he's wrong about the nature of good and evil
//he wouldn't be the first who would rather die that admit to being wrong
 
2012-08-19 04:54:20 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Mugato:
That makes absolutely no sense at all. Not on any level. At all. Please explain yourself.

We live in a world where people can end their own lives to not only relieve overpopulation, but also to donate their organs to save the lives of others born with deadly defects through no fault of their own. Anyone who fails to do so is greedily refusing to sacrifice their lives for the greater good, and HonestBender has already declared such greed is a sin that will destroy the world.

If he hasn't sacrificed himself, with no threat of punishment or promise of reward, then he is just as greedy and sinful as the people he's yelling at.

/or maybe he's wrong about the nature of good and evil
//he wouldn't be the first who would rather die that admit to being wrong


So you're equating being a good person with immediately throwing themselves on the sword for others at the first opportunity. So by your definition, almost no one is a good person, religion or not. His point was that truly good people don't need commandants and the fear of Hell to tell them that killing people, stealing from people and generally dicking people over is a bad thing. Religious people seem to think that they need the fear of God to coerce them into behaving. So therefore, people who believe that only the punishment of Hell is keeping them in line aren't really good people. Is this concept getting through to you at all?
 
2012-08-19 07:45:11 PM  

Honest Bender: Also, I'm pretty sure the items/gold/XP earned in video games is less imaginary than heaven...


I knew somebody would say that lol. Secretly you really do believe in your video game dont you?

Honest Bender: And the goodness inside of us doesn't come from religion. If you need the threat of punishment held over your head or the promise of reward in order to be a good person, YOU'RE NOT A GOOD PERSON!


That's right, many people in this world are not self-sacrificing, "GOOD" persons. So whaddaya going to do about that fact, besides stamp your little feet and carry on? Religion is designed, in part, to try to help rein these people in. This is a good thing, when it works. Take away religion, and they begin to run amok again, what will you do? Kill them all? Would that make you the Best Person? You know who else tried that? LOTS of men, throughout history.

BTW are you angry at all the religions of the world, or just whichever one isn't kissing your ass and giving you whatever it is you think you want right now? Would you do away with the whole of religion in human history, and all the collected wisdom about human nature and society that religions all over the world have amassed? Would you burn the works of Confucius and Lao'Tsu? The books of Sufi mysticism, the many books of Jewish and Muslim and Hindi and Greek and Roman teachings, would you burn them all? Perhaps you'd like to destroy all of the ancient temples and holy sites too. And all of the believers who take comfort in the illusion...what about them? Should they be killed, or just herded into re-education camps?

All this just cos you got a bug up your butt today about how the world isn't perfect? That's right, the world is not perfect. Now what can you do to make it better besides have a meltdown on Fark?

/WWJD?
//LOL
 
2012-08-19 07:55:18 PM  

Mugato: almost no one is a good person, religion or not.


Nobody is perfect

Mugato: His point was that truly good people don't need commandants and the fear of Hell to tell them


See above. Not everybody is truly good. What you gonna do about them?

Mugato: Religious people seem to think that they need the fear of God to coerce them into behaving. So therefore, people who believe that only the punishment of Hell is keeping them in line aren't really good people. Is this concept getting through to you at all?


Some people maybe DO need the fear of God to keep them in line. If it works, how is that a bad thing? Thats right, not everybody is a truly good person. Now, how are you going to deal with that fact?

Don't expect that everybody is like you. You cant make everybody be smart or nice, but religion has tried. Is this concept getting through to you at all?
 
2012-08-19 08:38:17 PM  

great_tigers:
Thanks Big for having an open mind. I hope you see my disappointment in the members of my religion and realize that I am trying to make the point of not forcing opinions (like the apocalypse) upon others. I know you might not care, but you were just added to my favorite list because of your ideals.


I don't think I've ever been favorited before, that's awesome, thank you.
 
2012-08-19 08:53:49 PM  

WeenerGord: Some people maybe DO need the fear of God to keep them in line. If it works, how is that a bad thing? Thats right, not everybody is a truly good person. Now, how are you going to deal with that fact?


Well fine, some farked up individuals need to be threatened in order to behave. They're called bad people. The rest of us don't need to be threatened with eternal hellfire in order to be good to one another.
 
2012-08-20 02:35:20 AM  

Mugato: WeenerGord: Some people maybe DO need the fear of God to keep them in line. If it works, how is that a bad thing? Thats right, not everybody is a truly good person. Now, how are you going to deal with that fact?

Well fine, some farked up individuals need to be threatened in order to behave. They're called bad people. The rest of us don't need to be threatened with eternal hellfire in order to be good to one another.



You don't have to be afraid of the hellfire, you already know it's not real. Just know that's it's there for the bad guys, and move on, and remain a good person.
 
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