If the allegations are true, these are the sorts of things that get lower court judges sanctioned or removed by embarrassed higher courts.

Who knows in Nevada though.

Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.

Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: Ticket prices starting at $240 and ranging up to $390, times about 55,000 people = about $15 million in ticket sales. I think the "organizers" can afford the fee bump.

Then there's the $7 "processing fee" and $12 delivery fee per ticket.
Somebody be getting PAID all up in there.

SOURCE.

/There's no whining like the wannabe hippie artiste freedom herpes trust-fund crowd whining.

Total Expenditures - 2010: $17,515,083

Their expenditures don't seem unreasonable, but I'm wondering why their comprehensive financials only include expenses and not revenue.

Concerned that the county could not apply the revised festival ordinance to Burning Man, the district attorney filed a petition on behalf of Nevada to make Burning Man comply with the festival law, according to the complaint. But Black Rock City says it was not a party to this "collusive litigation."
"At this point an even more astonishing series of events ensued," the lawsuit states. "The petition was assigned to Judge Wagner - the very individual who had spoken out at a public hearing against the Burning Man event,

Full stop. the judge was on record as opposing the festival? that's a clear cut conflict of interest and he should have recused himself.

retarded: Wagner, who is not a party to this action, allegedly supported the festival law amendment at a November 2011 public hearing, "commenting that Burning Man 'purveys titillation.'"

Last I checked, purveying titillation is neither unconstitutional nor illegal.

What really chaps my ass about the religious nuts is that if they can't have any fun, they want to make sure no one else does, either.

hasty ambush: environmental ones (next to "for the children") are usually the most successful.

fark off you american hating shiat

Gunderson: King Something: Do the words "Freedom of Assembly" mean anything to you? Or do you think the 1st Amendment only applies to people and groups whose views you approve of and agree with

Freedom of assembly no longer applies the moment someone charges people to 'assemble'

gotta keep the hippies in line, don'tcha know. since we can't simply flat out tell them to STFU and get lost, we stack fees sky high and then tell them that they can't have any sort of gathering unless they can pay for it. and since hippies are poor and can't for for dick, well...no speech for them!

then the authoritarians and pro-corporate types laugh and dance and laugh! oh the times they have! all because we permitted the courts to say that money==speech.

Lenny_da_Hog:
And he didn't recuse himself. He signed the court order the day before the petition was filed. Clear collusion.

now i'm sure that sort of thing plays well in the local court system...however, the appellate courts tend to frown on that kind of thing. not much anyone can do to a sitting judge. he can pretty much be a dick all day long and nobody can really say anything about it...but the prosecutor, on the other hand, he could face all sorts of backlash.

at any rate, i'm sure Burning Man will sort this all out. the local judge and prosecutor will lose, and likely be even MORE hostile.

HotIgneous Intruder:
Anybody can go camp on the Black Rock. This land is our land, etc.
Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people..

the organizers don't have a choice though. they HAVE to charge admission to pay off the local government(s).

HotIgneous Intruder: ....
not that i'm a burner (not my thing) but one year i sat down and read all about the logistics of burning man (creating a city of 50k, then erasing all evidence of it is farking interesting)

they clean up after their shiat.. they clean up after their shiat REALLY FRACKING WELL


it's really easy to pick out the moralizing asshats in this thread.

HotIgneous Intruder: And that private profit is being made using public land.

YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

plus if you farking bothered to read "Black Rock City's" expenses you'd realize that in the end they make zero money.. tickets are expensive because of the logistics of setup AND CLEANUP

HotIgneous Intruder: capitafun: Bitter much?

Not really.
Why the ad hom attack?
Got nothing?

no, you sound pretty bitter and pissed off about something.

HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

But where's the limit?
50,000 people? A half billion in profit?

Even Teddy Roosevelt knew this kind of thing was wrong.

now you're just trolling. or at least ignoring the facts anyways.

HotIgneous Intruder: You mean the ticket seller's organization is entitled to due process?
You must be one of those corporations-are-people drones.

*faceplam*

get the fark out of this thread you irrational shiat

you don't have to farking support corporate personhood to thing that due process should be followed at all times.

you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.


HotIgneous Intruder: Anybody can go camp on the Black Rock. This land is our land, etc.
Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people.

you have no farking idea how federal lands permitting works, do you?


i have a feeling that you went to burning man, and all the hot girls shunned your mangled, ugly, 400lb cheeto inhaling ass.

Barricaded Gunman: Mouser : Why do you think the judge is jacking up the fees here? Hint: It's not due to any "moral opposition" to the event content.

Really? You don't think the fact that this judge is a Mormon has anything to do with it?

could be that the judge just doesn't like freaky people. don't have to be Mormon for that. plenty of people who hate/fear Burning Man simply because it's outside their own personal comfort zone(s). that's reason enough for them to want to see it ended.

I think the Burners are pretty cool. not my thing of course but I don't feel threatened by 'em. those 'Wasteland Weekend' people, on the other hand. now THAT'S something I'd like to go do someday.

HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

But where's the limit?
50,000 people? A half billion in profit?

Even Teddy Roosevelt knew this kind of thing was wrong.

*Facepalm*

the limit is what they can clean up after sufficiently to leave near zero trace

you can stfu about burning man's profit until you can prove it makes some, revenues are not profit you ignoramus. and for profit venues are allowed on non-wilderness BLM landsa with a permit.. what the fark do you think most of BLM's land is? IT'S GRAZING LAND\

this isn't national forest wilderness we're talking about

HotIgneous Intruder: You got nothing.

neither do you, just an impotent rage based on the false impressions that burning man turns a significant profit because it has high revenues - while you completely ignore it has equally high expenses (LIKE CLEANING UP AFTER ITSELF) and under the completely asinine belief that for profit actions are not allowed on BLM lands.

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.

No they don't.
You seriously think those figures aren't cooked?
You seriously think non-profit presidents and staff can't get paid boo-koo bucks?
Did it hurt falling off the turnip truck yesterday?

dude. seriously. log off and go outside for a bit.

Having been one of (undoubtedly) many Farkers who have staffed Burning Man over the years, I'm getting a kick ---

Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'. Good-looking people are proportionally more than 0.5 percent, too. Unless it's changed since I was there last, about 8 years ago. I was one of the only fat chicks there, given that it's kind of an outdoorsy venue.

BM is good if you value events and experiences that would never happen in real life. Drumming with Mick Fleetwood, coffee in the AM with actors and artists. Lots of unusual fun people who should have epic tales written about them -- an ex-academic physicist/mathematician in dreadlocks who just tours the country meeting up with other physicists to do calculations with. The surfer physicist who made the news a few years ago. Nurses and doctors. CEOs and students. Cute kids and old farts.

It's not sexy-time. Judge Wagner, screw you. Spend a few days up there. Titillation my ass (which stays clothed, thank you).

HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: get the fark out of this thread you irrational shiat

Name calling.
Cute.

now care to address the points i made, or are you going to try to hide behind the fact that you were insulted to evade them?
Kazan: not that i'm a burner (not my thing) but one year i sat down and read all about the logistics of burning man (creating a city of 50k, then erasing all evidence of it is farking interesting)

they clean up after their shiat.. they clean up after their shiat REALLY FRACKING WELL


Kazan: you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.


Kazan:
plus if you farking bothered to read "Black Rock City's" expenses you'd realize that in the end they make zero money.. tickets are expensive because of the logistics of setup AND CLEANUP


Kazan: you don't have to farking support corporate personhood to thing that due process should be followed at all times.

you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.

Kazan: you have no farking idea how federal lands permitting works, do you?

failure to address this points can be interpreted that you have no ability to respond to them in a way that doesn't involve admitting that you're wrong

HotIgneous Intruder:
4) BM is a huge money maker but the profits are hidden in padded books, like all big-payday events.


And you know this...how? if you have proof of someone cooking the books, lets see it.

.ok i need to go help a friend do some stuff.. you keep on fighting the bad fight HotIgneous Introlltard

thisisyourbrainonFark:
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hehe.. i was thinking more like

Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'.

I see it as a place where engineers, techs, hippies, and artists collide.

One of my favorite mixes of all three was the giant Tesla coil driving around the city. Awesome.

HotIgneous Intruder: Sheep just don't like being penned.

/Got to go fire up the Jetranger now.
//Flying out to Kauai this afternoon.
///Ya'll autistics have a great time here on the intertubez.

suuuure you are.

I don't see burning man on the list.

Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'.

I see it as a place where engineers, techs, hippies, and artists collide.

One of my favorite mixes of all three was the giant Tesla coil driving around the city. Awesome.

Dr. Megavolt.

That'd be one of them, yea. I think there were at least a few years leading up to 2006 too.

wejash: If the allegations are true, these are the sorts of things that get lower court judges sanctioned or removed by embarrassed higher courts.

Who knows in Nevada though.

Probably not in Nevada. The politics of this are interesting: It used to be that Burning man was held on 4 sq miles of BLM land that was all squarely in Washoe County, which was more or less okay with Burning man because the one week of the festival accounted for 50% of the gross yearly receipts for places like the Empire general store, which was the only general/grocery store in the 150 miles between Reno and Empire/Gerlach, and BM LLC maintains a good deal of their offices and storage facilities in Gerlach bringing badly needed revenue to the town.

In recent years two important things have happened, and I don;t think they were by accident. BLM moved the site of the festival to a bit of land that was half in Washoe and half in Pershing county. However since it was the back half of Pershing county, the county derives no economic benefit from BM being there (other than the Police and fire fees they can squeeze out of the LLC) and politically Pershing county is dominated by conservative Mormons so the Sheriff to keep his job has to be seen as extremely and publicly anti-Burning Man. It's been his deputies who have been responsible for some of the extremely aggressive and sometimes outright illegal enforcement actions we've seen at the festival in the last few years (and this is a big deal because MJ possession in Nevada is still technically a jail able offense, although at BM the standard detente is to let the BLM rangers enforce egregious cases and issue a federal citation rather than make an arrest.

added to this problem is that while Gerlach nearly disappeared when the bottom fell out of the Gypsum market a recent gold strike at a nearby mine has created a boom town economy in the area so Washoe county no longer needs BM for its survival and are less inclined to pushback against what Pershing has been doing lately

BM will be okay though I hope, they have some VERY good lawyers who work near- pro bono for them, my greater worry is that the accumulation of hassles may cause Larry to throw in the towel soon. He's in his sixties, as are a lot of the senior staff, and frankly they really haven't been very good about grooming the replacement power structure. Alot of the people who SHOULD be given the keys to the kingdom are no longer attached to the LLC , because they've wither burned out or been forced out over time. And honestly a lot of those in the power structure now are exactly the kind of peope who should never be allowed anywhere near something like BM. They have the souls of ambitious corporate executives or middle management, both of which are poisonous to the "do-acracy" that Burning man was Built on.

When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die.

James F. Campbell: wejash: Who knows in Nevada though.

It's a toss-up, I think. My understanding of it is that while the state is overall pretty irreligious, there are a number of super religious zealots living there (Mormons are a pretty common sight in and around Las Vegas), and I don't doubt they've snaked and slimed their way into positions of power.

Oh what people don't know is there are actually a lot of social conservatives in Nevada. People all think it's very libertarian in it's views but that's mostly just for the casinos to make money. Many of the people who live there are actually pretty "We should ban this because I don't like it!!!" types.

I'm getting a kick. Burning Man is being treated like Wall Street! Success is evil. Make the top 1% pay more. Regulate the fark out of them.

Mind-farking.

Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

PA Regionals

I am intrigued. thanks!

BarkingUnicorn: I'm getting a kick. Burning Man is being treated like Wall Street! Success is evil. Make the top 1% pay more. Regulate the fark out of them.

Mind-farking.

Hey when Burning Man takes the whole US economy in the dumpster and people lose their jobs all across the nation because of it then give us a call.

It's not about "punishing success". It's about having rules so people are not robbed blind and people have to compete fairly.

CJHardin: Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

PA Regionals

I am intrigued. thanks!

I'm going to one on Sept 28th, Alchemy, in GA. Check it out. EIP for details.

/has theme camp

after working weekends for years (literally over a decade), I never had the chance to do weekend events. now that i'm no longer gainfully employed I have weekends free. to be honest, i'm still not used to having an ENTIRE weekend free. it's kinda scary...and liberating. people DO things on weekends! And I can join them!

caramba421:

But it never seems to be far enough to stop Small Government Conservatives™ from making a point of trying to ruin the fun. Sure, the Government is all fine and dandy when you're trying to stop young people from having fun, but if you suggest that Mittens pay the same tax rate that I do, then you're EXACTLY THE SAME AS HITLER.

its interesting, isn't it? how authoritarian these folks are I mean. they're ok with smashing down anything they don't like, and they're willing to expand government as much as necessary in order to do it.

hasty ambush: They are going about this all wrong. If they want to infringe on people's rights and get away with it they need to do it for some PC reason; environmental ones (next to "for the children") are usually the most successful.

What is the environmental impact of Burning Man?

What is the Carbon Footprint?

How much trash and bio waste is generated?

When they burn the wicker man how much pollution is created?

What is the cost to mitigate these things?

If you trouble yourself to go to thier website all these questions and more can be answered for you, BM is an LNT even and they've been thinking about these for ten years before "carbon footprint" entered the popular vernacular.

hasty ambush: What is the Carbon Footprint?

The CO₂ that the wood released was taken out of the air by the trees that grew the wood. So the carbon footprint is zero.

Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

We do indeed, twice a year even (memorial and columbas day weekends), for roughly 11 years now (hard for me to believe) It's called Playa Del Fuego, and its held in Delaware on a farm we rent from a Vietnam Veteran's MC. because of the physical limitations on the land we're capped at about 1500 people and it sells out VERY fast so pay attention to ticket sale dates. (We're working on Buying a large bit of land -100 acres or thereabouts in PA to fix that problem in the near future)

feel free to Farkhandle@ultrafarkcom me if you have more specific questions

LoneVVolf: "Specifically, the proposal would have imposed hundreds of thousands of dollars of new fees on BRC, subjected Burning Man to local law enforcement inconsistent with the terms of the BLM permit, and otherwise make the conduct of the Burning Man event contingent upon and subject to county and state laws and polices that could conflict, and in fact did conflict, with the terms of the 2012 BLM permit."

Oh my god; make them responsible for their actions?! Put municipal and state legislation before the content of a commercial contract? What kind of monsters are proposing this?!

The ones who want local and state laws to apply to FEDERAL land, where they do no belong. BLM owns the Black Rock Desert not the state of NV or the counties of Washoe and Pershing. And the are coming for Burning Man now, but next will be the Large and Dangerous Rocket Association, then the Folks who do races and try to set land speed records on the Playa flats, and since they're Mormons, they won't be happy until every backpacker and day hiker going into the high desert is searched and has their beer confiscated.

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

PA Regionals

I am intrigued. thanks!

Weaver, if you end up going to any of the PA regionals soon, please drop me a line.

Kazan: HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

But where's the limit?
50,000 people? A half billion in profit?

Even Teddy Roosevelt knew this kind of thing was wrong.

*Facepalm*

the limit is what they can clean up after sufficiently to leave near zero trace

you can stfu about burning man's profit until you can prove it makes some, revenues are not profit you ignoramus. and for profit venues are allowed on non-wilderness BLM landsa with a permit.. what the fark do you think most of BLM's land is? IT'S GRAZING LAND\

this isn't national forest wilderness we're talking about

HotIgneous Intruder: You got nothing.

neither do you, just an impotent rage based on the false impressions that burning man turns a significant profit because it has high revenues - while you completely ignore it has equally high expenses (LIKE CLEANING UP AFTER ITSELF) and under the completely asinine belief that for profit actions are not allowed on BLM lands.

Hell Black rock city ain;t even good for that. the site of Burning Man is nearly as dead as the moon, its an akalai and Gypsum salt flat with neither plant or insect life:


If folks like Burning Man and the L&D rocket folks weren't using it, it would have maybe one or two backpackers a week walking across it and that's it,

Magorn: If folks like Burning Man and the L&D rocket folks weren't using it, it would have maybe one or two backpackers a week walking across it and that's it,

or rocket cars, can't forget about the rocket cars;

SafetyThird: Such a shame too. It's a wonderfully weird event that all you haters should really see for yourselves before making grant swipes with your broad brushes.

One of my favorite sights on the playa is the Washoe County Senior Services tour shuttle scooting around full of old people. I love seeing their faces light up at the stuff they see out there, and I love the outpouring of generosity and kindness from burners towards them.

Fark burners: if your EL wire breaks or you just want to say hello, stop by Nosefish at 2:30 and Inner Circle, just across from center camp. Alaydis and I will be manning the EL wire repair booth there most afternoons.

I'm packing for Burning Man so i'm really getting a kick, yada yada.

Really though I have so much to do to get ready to drive out there with a carload of people, I can't follow all this mess, although you can bet that it's filling up my inbox.

/ )'(

Keigh: I'm packing for Burning Man so i'm really getting a kick, yada yada.

Really though I have so much to do to get ready to drive out there with a carload of people, I can't follow all this mess, although you can bet that it's filling up my inbox.

/ )'(

Wish I could go this year ... I've been saying that every year now for about 5 years. :(

Usually it's because I'm in the middle of a house move or new job. This year it's because I need surgery next month, and I don't think a lung full of playa dust is going to be good a week or two before surgery. :(

/damn it

I've been to Burning Man 8 times.

They ganked our crew so hard this year with the ticket fiasco none of us are going.

I hope next year and that they fix their ticket scheme.

In the meantime, we've rediscovered our regionals, which have gotten bigger and better.

Feh

The My Little Pony Killer: Don't care, burners are obnoxious.

Well then letting them be obnoxious out in the middle of the desert where you don't have to see them should seem like a good thing.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Magorn: If folks like Burning Man and the L&D rocket folks weren't using it, it would have maybe one or two backpackers a week walking across it and that's it,

or rocket cars, can't forget about the rocket cars;

As Omar would say "in-DEED"

btw if you are an east coastie looking for a regional burn I'd reccommend you check out PDF as well

Magorn: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Magorn: If folks like Burning Man and the L&D rocket folks weren't using it, it would have maybe one or two backpackers a week walking across it and that's it,

or rocket cars, can't forget about the rocket cars;

As Omar would say "in-DEED"

btw if you are an east coastie looking for a regional burn I'd reccommend you check out PDF as well

Thank you, I will. Same page as the other links?

RIP La Contessa
RIP Sierra Rose

thisisyourbrainonFark: Actual Farking: a hoard of disgusting people

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repugnant

I know two of women in that photo!!!!

Are we supposed to stop having fun after we get old?

/If you make the right choices in life you'll survive a long time too.

Magorn:

Hell Black rock city ain;t even good for that. the site of Burning Man is nearly as dead as the moon, its an akalai and Gypsum salt flat with neither plant or insect life:
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If folks like Burning Man and the L&D rocket folks weren't using it, it would have maybe one or two backpackers a week walking across it and that's it,

i know that .. i was pointing out to his holy dumbshiatiness that most of BLM lands are rented out for profit.

Farking Canuck: Welcome to your future Theocracy America. Morality police making sure everything is good and clean!!

/there is still time to stop it
/do not vote in religious nutbags!!

Are judges elected or appointed in NV?

Day_Old_Dutchie

old people. They have aches and pains, can't get it up and go out of their way to please their imaginary friend in the sky by not only having fun themselves, they have to make everyone else's life miserable because, this is what their god wants.

Fark superstitious scared old people and their stubborn and inflexible brains.

Old guy to young guy at party: "Hey you whippersnapper! Stop having so much fun!"
Young guy to old guy at party: "Hey you codger! Stop having so much fun!"

/twenty-three skiddoo!

HotIgneous Intruder: /Fark Rule: If you say something that makes sense or reality based, you're a troll.

Without getting into the specifics of what you two are arguing about, the above quote makes you sound like a colossal nozzle. It doesn't matter whether you're right or wrong; it just sounds petty, as though you are correct by default.

The One True TheDavid: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7275354/78794508#c78794508" target="_blank">HotIgneous Intruder</a>:</b> <i>

BM has become a monster money-making venture (ironic, right?)</I>

In which airheaded hipsters barely past the age of consent spend lots of (somebody's) money to frolic in the desert in mid-summer. To celebrate how "artistic" and "countercultural" and "free" they are.

Cry me a river. At least Altamont was free.

bingo! the true & real hippie love spirit dropped dead long ago in tis country. love at the glaring differences between the real 1969 Summer of Love Woodstock festival and the money-whore concert exploiting the Woodstock name years later.

i hope people don't get screwed out of BM altogether. seems a lot of folks love going there every year. but from what i've read in this thread, it sounds like it has jumped the shark and is now poseur central. oh well. either way, i hope people get to go and have fun.

Cool camps have cool showers.

Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.

The juggalos? Is that like the jigaboos?

WAAAATER TRUUUUCK!

/shower issue solved.

Like any other party, it's all about the energy you bring.

I just stopped in to see if the thread had grown. Whoo boy, I'm gonna have fun farkying all you farker burners when I come back later

Mock26: Atypical Person Reading Fark: The innovation that comes from Burners is interesting. They came up with these fire mats so that anything that burns has no impact, leaves no mark on the desert pan below. They come in different sizes, and Burning Man police (their own uniforms, volunteer police) make sure anyone burning anything uses them (mostly people don't burn much, it's too hot, they want ice instead).

Those of you worried about hygiene have obviously never camped much. Not only is it fun to shower outdoors, but the temps in the desert warm the water up - if you want warm water.

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Do you have a link to information on these fire mats?

quick and dirty version involves sheets of corrugated tin and cinder blocks to place them on, s'what we use at PDF. Hit me up if you want pointers on who to talk to about building one.

BTW, Atypical, I know you meant well, but a bunch of Black Rock Rangers just winced when you called them police and talked about their "uniforms". You're not totally wrong, but the Rangers prefer to think of themselves as volunteer mediators instead of any sort of "enforcement" unit (and in the old days made volunteers scream "we are not farking COPS"! a few dozen times as part of their initiation) while a lot of them do tend to dress alike and in khaki (and they do have identifying shirts) they prefer to still call them "costumes" as that phrase tends to piss off wanna-be authoritarians who are attracted to rangering and help them take themselves less seriously. (especially now that EMS and Fire fighters are no longer part of the rangers)