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2012-08-18 11:44:53 AM

Kazan: neither do you, just an impotent rage based on the false impressions that burning man turns a significant profit because it has high revenues - while you completely ignore it has equally high expenses (LIKE CLEANING UP AFTER ITSELF) and under the completely asinine belief that for profit actions are not allowed on BLM lands.


I had to deal with the BLM for years -- Because a lot of Alaska's oil industry uses FEDERAL LAND! OMG!

Did you know the Trans-Alaska pipeline uses Federal land? The National Petroleum Reserve-AK is Federal land?

OMG!
 
2012-08-18 11:46:26 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: get the fark out of this thread you irrational shiat

Name calling.
Cute.


now care to address the points i made, or are you going to try to hide behind the fact that you were insulted to evade them?

Kazan: not that i'm a burner (not my thing) but one year i sat down and read all about the logistics of burning man (creating a city of 50k, then erasing all evidence of it is farking interesting)

they clean up after their shiat.. they clean up after their shiat REALLY FRACKING WELL



Kazan: you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.



Kazan:
plus if you farking bothered to read "Black Rock City's" expenses you'd realize that in the end they make zero money.. tickets are expensive because of the logistics of setup AND CLEANUP



Kazan: you don't have to farking support corporate personhood to thing that due process should be followed at all times.

you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.


Kazan: you have no farking idea how federal lands permitting works, do you?


failure to address this points can be interpreted that you have no ability to respond to them in a way that doesn't involve admitting that you're wrong
 
2012-08-18 11:47:22 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Is it okay for the judge to do that? Can you address the topic? Or are you just going to keep railing against whatever it is you don't like about it?


1) Judges can do whatever they want.
2) The judge wants money and there no way I can address the truth of the claim in the thread headline that the judge is moralistic, as I don't know his actual motivations, except that all humans are moved by wealth or the possibility of accumulating it. For this judge, if this stands and BM stays and pays to play, he'll be in the tall clover politically for the rest of his life.
3) Is that moral or amoral or moralistic? I don't care.
4) BM is a huge money maker but the profits are hidden in padded books, like all big-payday events.
5) I dislike seeing nieve people being bilked and BM has become a revenue generator. Read and learn.

/Say something that cuts across the herd mentality and get called names -- It's Fark genius!
 
2012-08-18 11:47:36 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'.


I see it as a place where engineers, techs, hippies, and artists collide.
 
2012-08-18 11:48:32 AM

pxlboy: What really chaps my ass about the religious nuts is that if they can't have any fun, they want to make sure no one else does, either.


This (but especially that)!!
 
2012-08-18 11:49:18 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: No environmental impact whatsoever!

smip:

Don't think that just because there are a lot of Hippies present, that Burning Man is all eco-friendly.

Fuel (e.g., gasoline, diesel, wood, propane) would be used for transportation, power generators and open burning. The applicant rented 34 generators to power its operations during the 2011 event and surveys taken during the 2011 event found participants used 213 generators for art projects, 1,124 generators for theme camps and motor homes, and another 550 engines for mobile art or mutant vehicles. The level of traffic, fuel sources, and fuel use associated with 58,000 to 70,000 people would be greater than the 2011 levels in proportion with population

...then there's the airport...

In 2010, 1,253 total operations and 630 landings occurred during the Burning Man event, and in 2011, there were 2,062 total operations and 978 landings during the event (BRC 2012).

...and almost a thousand port-a-potties to pimp...

farm9.staticflickr.com

What Pimping a Port-a-potty may look like....

 
2012-08-18 11:49:32 AM

HotIgneous Intruder:
4) BM is a huge money maker but the profits are hidden in padded books, like all big-payday events.



And you know this...how? if you have proof of someone cooking the books, lets see it.
 
2012-08-18 11:49:41 AM
.ok i need to go help a friend do some stuff.. you keep on fighting the bad fight HotIgneous Introlltard
 
2012-08-18 11:50:18 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.

No they don't.
You seriously think those figures aren't cooked?
You seriously think non-profit presidents and staff can't get paid boo-koo bucks?
Did it hurt falling off the turnip truck yesterday?

So what? Staff salaries are listed as expenditures, and it has NOTHING to do with the thread.


That's some great corporate-greed defense there, Lenny.
 
2012-08-18 11:51:31 AM

Kazan: HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: get the fark out of this thread you irrational shiat

Name calling.
Cute.

now care to address the points i made, or are you going to try to hide behind the fact that you were insulted to evade them?
Kazan: not that i'm a burner (not my thing) but one year i sat down and read all about the logistics of burning man (creating a city of 50k, then erasing all evidence of it is farking interesting)

they clean up after their shiat.. they clean up after their shiat REALLY FRACKING WELL


Kazan: you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.


Kazan:
plus if you farking bothered to read "Black Rock City's" expenses you'd realize that in the end they make zero money.. tickets are expensive because of the logistics of setup AND CLEANUP


Kazan: you don't have to farking support corporate personhood to thing that due process should be followed at all times.

you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.

Kazan: you have no farking idea how federal lands permitting works, do you?

failure to address this points can be interpreted that you have no ability to respond to them in a way that doesn't involve admitting that you're wrong


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-18 11:53:08 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark:
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hehe.. i was thinking more like

3.bp.blogspot.com
inkpot.com
 
2012-08-18 11:53:47 AM
Sheep just don't like being penned.

/Got to go fire up the Jetranger now.
//Flying out to Kauai this afternoon.
///Ya'll autistics have a great time here on the intertubez.
 
2012-08-18 11:54:24 AM

Kazan: i have a feeling that you went to burning man, and all the hot girls shunned your mangled, ugly, 400lb cheeto inhaling ass.


Do you really think he gets out of his mother's basement??

/They'd have to cut out a wall!
 
2012-08-18 11:54:39 AM

branchtroy: Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: No environmental impact whatsoever!

smip:


Yes, but what does a smip look like?
 
2012-08-18 11:55:42 AM

HotIgneous Intruder:
And that private profit is being made using public land.



Private profit, on public land??? In America????

Someone alert the media!

/rolls eyes.
 
2012-08-18 11:55:58 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'.

I see it as a place where engineers, techs, hippies, and artists collide.


One of my favorite mixes of all three was the giant Tesla coil driving around the city. Awesome.
 
2012-08-18 11:56:02 AM
That is some grade a prime trolling.
 
2012-08-18 11:56:14 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Sheep just don't like being penned.

/Got to go fire up the Jetranger now.
//Flying out to Kauai this afternoon.
///Ya'll autistics have a great time here on the intertubez.


suuuure you are.
 
2012-08-18 11:57:10 AM

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'.

I see it as a place where engineers, techs, hippies, and artists collide.

One of my favorite mixes of all three was the giant Tesla coil driving around the city. Awesome.


Dr. Megavolt.
 
2012-08-18 11:58:18 AM
matthewpaulturner.net

I don't see burning man on the list.
 
2012-08-18 11:59:29 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Lenny_da_Hog: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'.

I see it as a place where engineers, techs, hippies, and artists collide.

One of my favorite mixes of all three was the giant Tesla coil driving around the city. Awesome.

Dr. Megavolt.


That'd be one of them, yea. I think there were at least a few years leading up to 2006 too.
 
2012-08-18 11:59:31 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [matthewpaulturner.net image 500x553]

I don't see burning man on the list.


He's Mormon. They have that extra list from Moroni.
 
2012-08-18 12:00:00 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [matthewpaulturner.net image 500x553]

I don't see burning man on the list.


Actually, if you cut off the title, it kinda describes BM a bit.
 
2012-08-18 12:00:13 PM

wejash: If the allegations are true, these are the sorts of things that get lower court judges sanctioned or removed by embarrassed higher courts.

Who knows in Nevada though.


Probably not in Nevada. The politics of this are interesting: It used to be that Burning man was held on 4 sq miles of BLM land that was all squarely in Washoe County, which was more or less okay with Burning man because the one week of the festival accounted for 50% of the gross yearly receipts for places like the Empire general store, which was the only general/grocery store in the 150 miles between Reno and Empire/Gerlach, and BM LLC maintains a good deal of their offices and storage facilities in Gerlach bringing badly needed revenue to the town.

In recent years two important things have happened, and I don;t think they were by accident. BLM moved the site of the festival to a bit of land that was half in Washoe and half in Pershing county. However since it was the back half of Pershing county, the county derives no economic benefit from BM being there (other than the Police and fire fees they can squeeze out of the LLC) and politically Pershing county is dominated by conservative Mormons so the Sheriff to keep his job has to be seen as extremely and publicly anti-Burning Man. It's been his deputies who have been responsible for some of the extremely aggressive and sometimes outright illegal enforcement actions we've seen at the festival in the last few years (and this is a big deal because MJ possession in Nevada is still technically a jail able offense, although at BM the standard detente is to let the BLM rangers enforce egregious cases and issue a federal citation rather than make an arrest.

added to this problem is that while Gerlach nearly disappeared when the bottom fell out of the Gypsum market a recent gold strike at a nearby mine has created a boom town economy in the area so Washoe county no longer needs BM for its survival and are less inclined to pushback against what Pershing has been doing lately

BM will be okay though I hope, they have some VERY good lawyers who work near- pro bono for them, my greater worry is that the accumulation of hassles may cause Larry to throw in the towel soon. He's in his sixties, as are a lot of the senior staff, and frankly they really haven't been very good about grooming the replacement power structure. Alot of the people who SHOULD be given the keys to the kingdom are no longer attached to the LLC , because they've wither burned out or been forced out over time. And honestly a lot of those in the power structure now are exactly the kind of peope who should never be allowed anywhere near something like BM. They have the souls of ambitious corporate executives or middle management, both of which are poisonous to the "do-acracy" that Burning man was Built on.

When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die.
 
2012-08-18 12:02:14 PM

James F. Campbell: wejash: Who knows in Nevada though.

It's a toss-up, I think. My understanding of it is that while the state is overall pretty irreligious, there are a number of super religious zealots living there (Mormons are a pretty common sight in and around Las Vegas), and I don't doubt they've snaked and slimed their way into positions of power.


Oh what people don't know is there are actually a lot of social conservatives in Nevada. People all think it's very libertarian in it's views but that's mostly just for the casinos to make money. Many of the people who live there are actually pretty "We should ban this because I don't like it!!!" types.
 
2012-08-18 12:02:22 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [matthewpaulturner.net image 500x553]

I don't see burning man on the list.


I... uh... what? 

Is that the joke?
 
2012-08-18 12:05:06 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [matthewpaulturner.net image 500x553]

I don't see burning man on the list.


It's between "Heavy metal" and "Twilight films".
 
2012-08-18 12:05:46 PM

xant: >by doubling permit fees, its organizer claims in Federal Court. Though this year's event, which runs Aug. 27 to Sept. 3, will not be affected, the 2013 festival is in jeopardy after Pershing County allegedly hiked the fees from $154,000 in 2011 to $448,000 this year.

That's called "tripling", Nick DiVito.


I was hoping someone would call this out. Maybe someone told him the fees "increased by almost 200%"? Either way the writer clearly failed his math GED.
 
2012-08-18 12:06:21 PM
I'm getting a kick. Burning Man is being treated like Wall Street! Success is evil. Make the top 1% pay more. Regulate the fark out of them.

Mind-farking.
 
2012-08-18 12:06:28 PM

Magorn: wejash: If the allegations are true, these are the sorts of things that get lower court judges sanctioned or removed by embarrassed higher courts.

Who knows in Nevada though.

Probably not in Nevada. The politics of this are interesting: It used to be that Burning man was held on 4 sq miles of BLM land that was all squarely in Washoe County, which was more or less okay with Burning man because the one week of the festival accounted for 50% of the gross yearly receipts for places like the Empire general store, which was the only general/grocery store in the 150 miles between Reno and Empire/Gerlach, and BM LLC maintains a good deal of their offices and storage facilities in Gerlach bringing badly needed revenue to the town.

In recent years two important things have happened, and I don;t think they were by accident. BLM moved the site of the festival to a bit of land that was half in Washoe and half in Pershing county. However since it was the back half of Pershing county, the county derives no economic benefit from BM being there (other than the Police and fire fees they can squeeze out of the LLC) and politically Pershing county is dominated by conservative Mormons so the Sheriff to keep his job has to be seen as extremely and publicly anti-Burning Man. It's been his deputies who have been responsible for some of the extremely aggressive and sometimes outright illegal enforcement actions we've seen at the festival in the last few years (and this is a big deal because MJ possession in Nevada is still technically a jail able offense, although at BM the standard detente is to let the BLM rangers enforce egregious cases and issue a federal citation rather than make an arrest.

added to this problem is that while Gerlach nearly disappeared when the bottom fell out of the Gypsum market a recent gold strike at a nearby mine has created a boom town economy in the area so Washoe county no longer needs BM for its survival and are less inclined to pushback against wha ...


That's sad to hear. Although I've never been to Burning Man, it's always to know that it's by choice. Gives me the chance to imagine "What if I go next year?"
 
2012-08-18 12:06:39 PM

Magorn: BM will be okay though I hope, they have some VERY good lawyers who work near- pro bono for them, my greater worry is that the accumulation of hassles may cause Larry to throw in the towel soon.


I read the full complaint when I saw this last night. It's very well substantiated and laid out. And they have used some excellent logic in ticket terms and enforcement to keep people from making money from it and violating the privacy of the attendees. Good legal team. I don't know if Pershing Co. fully understands what they're up against.

The ACLU is also interested, as it looks like it's being done in violation of the First Amendment, to quell free expression. It's also the only group against which they've attempted to enforce the Festival Ordinance.

And Larry is already transitioning away from the org. It will be a standalone non-profit in two more years. He just wants to party, and doesn't want to have to get into the drama and details.
 
2012-08-18 12:06:41 PM

Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....


you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?
 
2012-08-18 12:07:54 PM

Weaver95: Gunderson: King Something: Do the words "Freedom of Assembly" mean anything to you? Or do you think the 1st Amendment only applies to people and groups whose views you approve of and agree with

Freedom of assembly no longer applies the moment someone charges people to 'assemble'

gotta keep the hippies in line, don'tcha know. since we can't simply flat out tell them to STFU and get lost, we stack fees sky high and then tell them that they can't have any sort of gathering unless they can pay for it. and since hippies are poor and can't for for dick, well...no speech for them!

then the authoritarians and pro-corporate types laugh and dance and laugh! oh the times they have! all because we permitted the courts to say that money==speech.


If a bunch of hippies go out and want to smoke themselves up until they talk like Fat Albert's Mush-Mouth buddy, I'm fine with that. I Don't smoke, but I do think that Mary Jane should be legal (and tax-free). But you can't evoke a constitutional right of assembly to circumvent laws at a paid event. If everyone twitter one night to all their hippie friends, "lets just chill out for the evening", that would be a different story

That being said, yes, the judge is a dickbag,and should be disbarred. And everyone who supported him should be voted out of office.
 
2012-08-18 12:09:20 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [matthewpaulturner.net image 500x553]

I don't see burning man on the list.


Dude... Third column, near the bottom. Drink some coffee or somethin'.
 
2012-08-18 12:10:14 PM

Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?


PA Regionals
 
2012-08-18 12:10:48 PM

Kazan: HotIgneous Intruder: ....
not that i'm a burner (not my thing) but one year i sat down and read all about the logistics of burning man (creating a city of 50k, then erasing all evidence of it is farking interesting)

they clean up after their shiat.. they clean up after their shiat REALLY FRACKING WELL


it's really easy to pick out the moralizing asshats in this thread.


Yeah, they clean up the site to the point where you won't recognize anything happened, except for maybe the playa isn't as compacted down as much in other areas....the winter rains compact the playa sand.

A friend of mine volunteers in the Burning Man "DPW"...that's the folks that clean up.

Lots of Burning Man hate here. Yeah, the main event is very corporate. If you want to exerience a more pure and smaller event...check out the regional burns. I'm going to SOAK next year.
 
2012-08-18 12:14:32 PM

moops: Lots of Burning Man hate here. Yeah, the main event is very corporate. If you want to exerience a more pure and smaller event...check out the regional burns. I'm going to SOAK next year.


Appropriate name you have there. I do SOAK.
 
2012-08-18 12:14:45 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

PA Regionals


I am intrigued. thanks!
 
2012-08-18 12:16:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I'm getting a kick. Burning Man is being treated like Wall Street! Success is evil. Make the top 1% pay more. Regulate the fark out of them.

Mind-farking.


Hey when Burning Man takes the whole US economy in the dumpster and people lose their jobs all across the nation because of it then give us a call.

It's not about "punishing success". It's about having rules so people are not robbed blind and people have to compete fairly.
 
2012-08-18 12:18:56 PM

Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

PA Regionals

I am intrigued. thanks!


I'm going to one on Sept 28th, Alchemy, in GA. Check it out. EIP for details.

/has theme camp
 
2012-08-18 12:21:33 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: [matthewpaulturner.net image 500x553]

I don't see burning man on the list.


mmhmm. Blind, Wag, or trolltistic?
 
2012-08-18 12:23:50 PM

HotIgneous Intruder:

Name calling.
Cute.



You know, I for one would like to thank HotIgneous Intruder for his contributions to this thread.

Each of his comments have been incredibly useful to me, and I'd like to explain why.

EXPLANATION: Has anyone ever seen any of those 4Chan drawings where people react with insane levels of anger to trolls who are chuckling as they type something inflamatory on the web?

Well, that would be me. I found out years ago that trolls like HotIgneous Intruder piss me the fark off. I get this completely irrational emotional reaction, and all I can think about is kicking trolls with large boots for each retarded post before getting down to the bussiness of strangling them slowly to death and thereby improving the human gene pool by like 0.000000000000000000000000^A%.

Now, obviously, this sort of ridculously over-the-top emotional reaction is all out of proportion to any efort of relevance put out by the troll... so, it's like the emotional equivalent of almost free and unlimited energy!

So, I use trolls as a fuel source.

You see, after a hard 60 hour work week, I feel serious burnt out... but then I drop into a Fark or a Reddit thread and read some horrifically troll-tastic asshole like HotIgneous Intruder's posts and I can go from burnt-out sort-of-exhausted guy, to oh-my-God I-burn-with-hatred guy in about twenty minutes flat.

Then I log into WoW and go on an Elf-massacreing spree like you wouldn't believe. Get all geared up, get skilled up, get all hated-up by a troll, and the next few hours goes by in a giant senseless orgy of ganking in Azeroth.

PvPers will know what I'm talking about. If you get into the right mindset, and get into the zone, it's like I'm not even touching the game controls. I just will things to happen, and they happen, and time stands still so everyone else looks like they're crawling through mollasses as my focus narrows down perfectly to each moment by itself.

It's almost Zen.

Anyway, thank God for trolls.
 
2012-08-18 12:24:24 PM
Oh noez...

Is this going to threaten my few days a year where I get to dress like some farking martian retard in an attempt to have anonymous strangers believe that I am something other than the vanilla vanilla of Vanillatown?
 
2012-08-18 12:24:53 PM

CJHardin: Weaver95: Lenny_da_Hog: Weaver95: Magorn: When we built our regional burn, we carefully studied a lot of How BM does business and decided to do the opposite (including incorporating as a legit 501(c)(3) rather than an LLC). Still they are the Mothership, Rome to our provinces, and it would be sad to see it die....

you have an east coast regional event? color me intrigued. you have details?

PA Regionals

I am intrigued. thanks!

I'm going to one on Sept 28th, Alchemy, in GA. Check it out. EIP for details.

/has theme camp


after working weekends for years (literally over a decade), I never had the chance to do weekend events. now that i'm no longer gainfully employed I have weekends free. to be honest, i'm still not used to having an ENTIRE weekend free. it's kinda scary...and liberating. people DO things on weekends! And I can join them!
 
2012-08-18 12:27:02 PM

Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.


Yeah, we know that some people got a stick up their ass about it. That's why we go a million miles out to the middle of bum-fark nowhere desert to do it.

But it never seems to be far enough to stop Small Government Conservatives™ from making a point of trying to ruin the fun. Sure, the Government is all fine and dandy when you're trying to stop young people from having fun, but if you suggest that Mittens pay the same tax rate that I do, then you're EXACTLY THE SAME AS HITLER.
 
2012-08-18 12:29:17 PM

caramba421: Sure, the Government is all fine and dandy when you're trying to stop young people from having fun


*cough*
 
2012-08-18 12:31:33 PM

caramba421:

But it never seems to be far enough to stop Small Government Conservatives™ from making a point of trying to ruin the fun. Sure, the Government is all fine and dandy when you're trying to stop young people from having fun, but if you suggest that Mittens pay the same tax rate that I do, then you're EXACTLY THE SAME AS HITLER.


its interesting, isn't it? how authoritarian these folks are I mean. they're ok with smashing down anything they don't like, and they're willing to expand government as much as necessary in order to do it.
 
2012-08-18 12:33:54 PM
BM on the Playa will be gone soon. The greedy government entities cant help but gouge the LLC a little more every farking year.

Then the recent LLC ticketing farkups causing whole, well established villages to just say "fark it" this year and the rise of smaller regional events I see fragmentation as inevitable. The LLC and the govt seem to be doing their best to put a fork in the event. Maybe that's the grand exit strategy.

Such a shame too. It's a wonderfully weird event that all you haters should really see for yourselves before making grant swipes with your broad brushes.

Stay weird my dusty friends.
 
2012-08-18 12:34:12 PM

hasty ambush: They are going about this all wrong. If they want to infringe on people's rights and get away with it they need to do it for some PC reason; environmental ones (next to "for the children") are usually the most successful.

What is the environmental impact of Burning Man?

What is the Carbon Footprint?

How much trash and bio waste is generated?

When they burn the wicker man how much pollution is created?

What is the cost to mitigate these things?


If you trouble yourself to go to thier website all these questions and more can be answered for you, BM is an LNT even and they've been thinking about these for ten years before "carbon footprint" entered the popular vernacular.
 
2012-08-18 12:35:01 PM
Now watch, as soon as Burning Man is kicked out of the county, this same judge will cry and moan about how Obama is destroying our economy. And the irony that he punted millions of tourism dollars will be completely lost on him.
 
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