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2012-08-18 11:12:16 AM
Isn't this about the time when anonymous steps in and puts the jacknut in check?
 
2012-08-18 11:13:09 AM
"Since January, 2001 to the present, Judge Wagner has had the honor to sit on the State of Nevada's Commission on Judicial Discipline, which monitors and regulates the ethical behavior of judges at various levels throughout the state of Nevada. "

just another dumbass judge.
/thread
 
2012-08-18 11:13:12 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: And this makes it okay to violate due process in order to impose your religious beliefs.

It's okay because you don't like them.

Plenty of non-religious reasons not to like the Burning Man clusterjerk.

/And yes, I don't like religions. So wut?


The judge, not you personally.

You're saying it's okay for the judge to collude to violate due process to impose his morality on something that doesn't affect him in the least, just because it has boobies.

Why do you hate boobies?
 
2012-08-18 11:13:15 AM

Actual Farking: a hoard of disgusting people


cooldudestuff.com

repugnant
 
2012-08-18 11:14:58 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: BokChoy: Check out those ticket prices.

44,000 tickets x average ticket price $320 = 14 million dollars in revenue.

The permit fee is $450k... or about 3.2% of total revenue. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination. This is hardly going to run burning man out of town.

It sounds more like the county just wants its fair share of the action.

And that private profit is being made using public land.


...that doesn't belong to the county, it belongs to the Federal Government. The closest city isn't even in Pershing Co.

Stop threadjacking with your hippie hate and pay attention to the authoritarian behind the curtain, troll.
 
2012-08-18 11:17:32 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: James F. Campbell: wejash: Who knows in Nevada though.

It's a toss-up, I think. My understanding of it is that while the state is overall pretty irreligious, there are a number of super religious zealots living there (Mormons are a pretty common sight in and around Las Vegas), and I don't doubt they've snaked and slimed their way into positions of power.

Oh, look, you're right: He's a Mormon. Good guess.


And not the cool, live-and-let-live kind, apparently.
 
2012-08-18 11:17:54 AM
Make no mistake, Burning Man is all about the dead presidents and everybody wants some.

/Same as any venture that grows huge and hugely profitable. Boss Hogg or the mob or the Indians or the preachers are going to show up and demand their piece of the pie.
//And this happened to Burning Man -- it's a delicious pastry filled with sweet irony.
 
2012-08-18 11:19:03 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: repugnant


But they're out in the DESERT! I bet they don't smell like roses! The nerve of those damn hippies.
 
2012-08-18 11:19:13 AM
Obvious cash grab is obvious.

Fire your security services and find another spot.
 
2012-08-18 11:19:23 AM

LoneVVolf: "Specifically, the proposal would have imposed hundreds of thousands of dollars of new fees on BRC, subjected Burning Man to local law enforcement inconsistent with the terms of the BLM permit, and otherwise make the conduct of the Burning Man event contingent upon and subject to county and state laws and polices that could conflict, and in fact did conflict, with the terms of the 2012 BLM permit."

Oh my god; make them responsible for their actions?! Put municipal and state legislation before the content of a commercial contract? What kind of monsters are proposing this?!


Putting that GED in law to good use, I see.
 
2012-08-18 11:20:47 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Make no mistake, Burning Man is all about the dead presidents and everybody wants some.


So what?

Does that mean they aren't American citizens, with the right to due process?

All you're doing is repeating Eric Cartman over and over again. You've made your point that you don't like it. Are you going to sit here all day and ignore the thread topic, or keep threadjacking?
 
2012-08-18 11:21:39 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: BokChoy: Check out those ticket prices.

44,000 tickets x average ticket price $320 = 14 million dollars in revenue.

The permit fee is $450k... or about 3.2% of total revenue. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination. This is hardly going to run burning man out of town.

It sounds more like the county just wants its fair share of the action.

And that private profit is being made using public land.


Uh, that last part has been true since the early 1800s...part of BLM's mandate in fact. Usually applied to mineral rights, of course.
 
2012-08-18 11:21:53 AM
Concerned that the county could not apply the revised festival ordinance to Burning Man, the district attorney filed a petition on behalf of Nevada to make Burning Man comply with the festival law, according to the complaint. But Black Rock City says it was not a party to this "collusive litigation."
"At this point an even more astonishing series of events ensued," the lawsuit states. "The petition was assigned to Judge Wagner - the very individual who had spoken out at a public hearing against the Burning Man event,


Full stop. the judge was on record as opposing the festival? that's a clear cut conflict of interest and he should have recused himself.
 
2012-08-18 11:22:03 AM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Actual Farking: a hoard of disgusting people

cooldudestuff.com

repugnant


Yeah, those chicks represent about .5 percent of the BM crowd. The same ratio as any nude beach: 3 hot chicks and 1500 naked old guys trying not to get caught staring at them.

Electric Daisy Carnival has a much better hot ass to old sausage ratio. Trust me, I've been to both.
 
2012-08-18 11:22:46 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Stop threadjacking with your hippie hate and pay attention to the authoritarian behind the curtain, troll.


I love hippies and was raised by one.
However. I don't like greedy faux-hippies poseurs who are in it for nothing but the bucks. The American disease creeps, even out into the desert.
YOu go high profile like this, you've got to expect The Man to come a' knocking, one way or another.
I'm amazed this sham has continued for so long, given what it's become.
Educate yourself before you call me a troll.

/Because calling people trolls is easier than arguing using reality-based facts, amirite?
//Hippies, rednecks, they're all the same.
 
2012-08-18 11:23:02 AM

King Something: Do the words "Freedom of Assembly" mean anything to you? Or do you think the 1st Amendment only applies to people and groups whose views you approve of and agree with


Freedom of assembly no longer applies the moment someone charges people to 'assemble'
 
2012-08-18 11:24:09 AM

retarded: Wagner, who is not a party to this action, allegedly supported the festival law amendment at a November 2011 public hearing, "commenting that Burning Man 'purveys titillation.'"

Last I checked, purveying titillation is neither unconstitutional nor illegal.


What really chaps my ass about the religious nuts is that if they can't have any fun, they want to make sure no one else does, either.
 
2012-08-18 11:24:42 AM

Weaver95: Concerned that the county could not apply the revised festival ordinance to Burning Man, the district attorney filed a petition on behalf of Nevada to make Burning Man comply with the festival law, according to the complaint. But Black Rock City says it was not a party to this "collusive litigation."
"At this point an even more astonishing series of events ensued," the lawsuit states. "The petition was assigned to Judge Wagner - the very individual who had spoken out at a public hearing against the Burning Man event,

Full stop. the judge was on record as opposing the festival? that's a clear cut conflict of interest and he should have recused himself.


Like I said in the first.... er, my primary contribution:

"The petition was assigned to Judge Wagner - the very individual who had spoken out at a public hearing against the Burning Man event, had provided a public statement that the agreement between BRC and the county was not valid, had privately pressed commissioners to implement the relief requested in the petition, and who had witnessed the affidavit in support of the petition."

And he didn't recuse himself. He signed the court order the day before the petition was filed. Clear collusion.
 
2012-08-18 11:25:06 AM
Lenny_da_Hog:

...that doesn't belong to the county, it belongs to the Federal Government. The closest city isn't even in Pershing Co.

Stop threadjacking with your hippie hate and pay attention to the authoritarian behind the curtain, troll.


It does belong to the country, because they're the ones providing the police and emergency response. The federal government may own the land, but that's all they do.
 
2012-08-18 11:25:25 AM

hasty ambush: environmental ones (next to "for the children") are usually the most successful.


fark off you american hating shiat
 
2012-08-18 11:25:40 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: Stop threadjacking with your hippie hate and pay attention to the authoritarian behind the curtain, troll.

I love hippies and was raised by one.
However. I don't like greedy faux-hippies poseurs who are in it for nothing but the bucks. The American disease creeps, even out into the desert.
YOu go high profile like this, you've got to expect The Man to come a' knocking, one way or another.
I'm amazed this sham has continued for so long, given what it's become.
Educate yourself before you call me a troll.

/Because calling people trolls is easier than arguing using reality-based facts, amirite?
//Hippies, rednecks, they're all the same.


So go submit a thread about how much you hate Burning Man and stop threadjacking. I'll even vote for it to be greenlighted.
 
2012-08-18 11:26:18 AM

Gunderson: King Something: Do the words "Freedom of Assembly" mean anything to you? Or do you think the 1st Amendment only applies to people and groups whose views you approve of and agree with

Freedom of assembly no longer applies the moment someone charges people to 'assemble'


gotta keep the hippies in line, don'tcha know. since we can't simply flat out tell them to STFU and get lost, we stack fees sky high and then tell them that they can't have any sort of gathering unless they can pay for it. and since hippies are poor and can't for for dick, well...no speech for them!

then the authoritarians and pro-corporate types laugh and dance and laugh! oh the times they have! all because we permitted the courts to say that money==speech.
 
2012-08-18 11:28:29 AM

BokChoy: Lenny_da_Hog:

...that doesn't belong to the county, it belongs to the Federal Government. The closest city isn't even in Pershing Co.

Stop threadjacking with your hippie hate and pay attention to the authoritarian behind the curtain, troll.

It does belong to the country, because they're the ones providing the police and emergency response. The federal government may own the land, but that's all they do.


BM contracts to them and pays their salaries and any incurred costs. They also contract to Washoe Co. sheriffs, and the event isn't held in that county. It's all Federal land.
 
2012-08-18 11:29:11 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: Make no mistake, Burning Man is all about the dead presidents and everybody wants some.

So what?

Does that mean they aren't American citizens, with the right to due process?

All you're doing is repeating Eric Cartman over and over again. You've made your point that you don't like it. Are you going to sit here all day and ignore the thread topic, or keep threadjacking?


You mean the ticket seller's organization is entitled to due process?
You must be one of those corporations-are-people drones.

Anybody can go camp on the Black Rock. This land is our land, etc.
Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people.
The roots of the moralistic crusader's motivation mentioned in the thread title are clearly financial and I'm underlining that point, so don't accuse me of threadjacking.

Your ad hom attacks against me are more effective threadjacking than anything I've done.
 
2012-08-18 11:29:22 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7275354/78794508#c78794508" target="_blank">HotIgneous Intruder</a>:</b> <i>

BM has become a monster money-making venture (ironic, right?)</I>

In which airheaded hipsters barely past the age of consent spend lots of (somebody's) money to frolic in the desert in mid-summer. To celebrate how "artistic" and "countercultural" and "free" they are.

Cry me a river. At least Altamont was free.
 
2012-08-18 11:29:36 AM

Lenny_da_Hog:
And he didn't recuse himself. He signed the court order the day before the petition was filed. Clear collusion.


now i'm sure that sort of thing plays well in the local court system...however, the appellate courts tend to frown on that kind of thing. not much anyone can do to a sitting judge. he can pretty much be a dick all day long and nobody can really say anything about it...but the prosecutor, on the other hand, he could face all sorts of backlash.

at any rate, i'm sure Burning Man will sort this all out. the local judge and prosecutor will lose, and likely be even MORE hostile.
 
2012-08-18 11:30:09 AM
Vaguely reminds me of the former Spring Breaker vs Fort Lauderdale controversy.
Couldn't figure out how to soak the college kids so they kicked them out.

Stopped by in 90? 91? just to see some friends in the vicinity around Spring Break time.
Reminded me of St Pete, nice and quiet, so quiet you could hear the retirement watches ticking
St. Pete, gods waiting room.

BurningMan's big business. Corporate really. Why do you think there's no more Woodstocks or anything like that anymore? Cash hungry municipalities sink a well into the accounts payable and that's the end of it.

Wondering if this is stifling the free speech of corporations they paid so much fought so hard for.
 
2012-08-18 11:30:57 AM

HotIgneous Intruder:
Anybody can go camp on the Black Rock. This land is our land, etc.
Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people..


the organizers don't have a choice though. they HAVE to charge admission to pay off the local government(s).
 
2012-08-18 11:31:16 AM
HotIgneous Intruder:

Anybody can go camp on the Black Rock. This land is our land, etc. Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people.

Bingo.
 
2012-08-18 11:31:24 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: ....

not that i'm a burner (not my thing) but one year i sat down and read all about the logistics of burning man (creating a city of 50k, then erasing all evidence of it is farking interesting)

they clean up after their shiat.. they clean up after their shiat REALLY FRACKING WELL


it's really easy to pick out the moralizing asshats in this thread.
 
2012-08-18 11:32:15 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: And that private profit is being made using public land.


YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

plus if you farking bothered to read "Black Rock City's" expenses you'd realize that in the end they make zero money.. tickets are expensive because of the logistics of setup AND CLEANUP
 
2012-08-18 11:32:18 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people.


And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.

Nobody is worried about how much you hate it. Stop threadjacking. You're making Fark suck.
 
2012-08-18 11:33:59 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: Stop threadjacking with your hippie hate and pay attention to the authoritarian behind the curtain, troll.

I love hippies and was raised by one.
However. I don't like greedy faux-hippies poseurs who are in it for nothing but the bucks. The American disease creeps, even out into the desert.
YOu go high profile like this, you've got to expect The Man to come a' knocking, one way or another.
I'm amazed this sham has continued for so long, given what it's become.
Educate yourself before you call me a troll.

/Because calling people trolls is easier than arguing using reality-based facts, amirite?
//Hippies, rednecks, they're all the same.


Bitter much?
 
2012-08-18 11:35:43 AM

capitafun: Bitter much?


Not really.
Why the ad hom attack?
Got nothing?
 
2012-08-18 11:36:48 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: capitafun: Bitter much?

Not really.
Why the ad hom attack?
Got nothing?


no, you sound pretty bitter and pissed off about something.
 
2012-08-18 11:37:11 AM

Kazan: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.


But where's the limit?
50,000 people? A half billion in profit?

Even Teddy Roosevelt knew this kind of thing was wrong.
 
2012-08-18 11:37:31 AM
Mouser : Why do you think the judge is jacking up the fees here? Hint: It's not due to any "moral opposition" to the event content.

Really? You don't think the fact that this judge is a Mormon has anything to do with it?
 
2012-08-18 11:37:47 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people.

And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.

Nobody is worried about how much you hate it. Stop threadjacking. You're making Fark suck.


More ad homo attacks.
You got nothing.
 
2012-08-18 11:38:08 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

But where's the limit?
50,000 people? A half billion in profit?

Even Teddy Roosevelt knew this kind of thing was wrong.


now you're just trolling. or at least ignoring the facts anyways.
 
2012-08-18 11:38:30 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: You mean the ticket seller's organization is entitled to due process?
You must be one of those corporations-are-people drones.


*faceplam*

get the fark out of this thread you irrational shiat

you don't have to farking support corporate personhood to thing that due process should be followed at all times.

you have an irrational hate on for burning man based on the mistaken impression that they turn a profit instead of the reality where most almost all the money is spent on the incredible expensive logistics of setting up, tearing down and cleaning up an ephemeral city of 50,000 people.


HotIgneous Intruder: Anybody can go camp on the Black Rock. This land is our land, etc.
Except when 2,000 acres are cordoned off and $390 admission is charged for 60,000 people.


you have no farking idea how federal lands permitting works, do you?


i have a feeling that you went to burning man, and all the hot girls shunned your mangled, ugly, 400lb cheeto inhaling ass.
 
2012-08-18 11:40:31 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.


No they don't.
You seriously think those figures aren't cooked?
You seriously think non-profit presidents and staff can't get paid boo-koo bucks?
Did it hurt falling off the turnip truck yesterday?
 
2012-08-18 11:40:43 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: capitafun: Bitter much?

Not really.


Then stop railing against it. It has nothing to do with the thread. I don't see anywhere in the article where Burning Man is claiming smug superiority or anything else.

I see an article where an authoritarian judge is overreaching his power to punish people you and he don't like in violation of the law and the Constitution.

Is it okay for the judge to do that? Can you address the topic? Or are you just going to keep railing against whatever it is you don't like about it?
 
2012-08-18 11:41:00 AM

Barricaded Gunman: Mouser : Why do you think the judge is jacking up the fees here? Hint: It's not due to any "moral opposition" to the event content.

Really? You don't think the fact that this judge is a Mormon has anything to do with it?


could be that the judge just doesn't like freaky people. don't have to be Mormon for that. plenty of people who hate/fear Burning Man simply because it's outside their own personal comfort zone(s). that's reason enough for them to want to see it ended.

I think the Burners are pretty cool. not my thing of course but I don't feel threatened by 'em. those 'Wasteland Weekend' people, on the other hand. now THAT'S something I'd like to go do someday.
 
2012-08-18 11:41:19 AM

Kazan: get the fark out of this thread you irrational shiat


Name calling.
Cute.
 
2012-08-18 11:41:44 AM

Weaver95: HotIgneous Intruder: capitafun: Bitter much?

Not really.
Why the ad hom attack?
Got nothing?

no, you sound pretty bitter and pissed off about something.


No, he's a troll. See 7267895.
 
2012-08-18 11:41:45 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Kazan: YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT WITH A PERMIT.

But where's the limit?
50,000 people? A half billion in profit?

Even Teddy Roosevelt knew this kind of thing was wrong.


*Facepalm*

the limit is what they can clean up after sufficiently to leave near zero trace

you can stfu about burning man's profit until you can prove it makes some, revenues are not profit you ignoramus. and for profit venues are allowed on non-wilderness BLM landsa with a permit.. what the fark do you think most of BLM's land is? IT'S GRAZING LAND\

this isn't national forest wilderness we're talking about

HotIgneous Intruder: You got nothing.


neither do you, just an impotent rage based on the false impressions that burning man turns a significant profit because it has high revenues - while you completely ignore it has equally high expenses (LIKE CLEANING UP AFTER ITSELF) and under the completely asinine belief that for profit actions are not allowed on BLM lands.
 
2012-08-18 11:41:53 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.

No they don't.
You seriously think those figures aren't cooked?
You seriously think non-profit presidents and staff can't get paid boo-koo bucks?
Did it hurt falling off the turnip truck yesterday?


dude. seriously. log off and go outside for a bit.
 
2012-08-18 11:42:49 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: And the expenditures match the revenue. Go figure. The organization will soon be an incorporated non-profit.

No they don't.
You seriously think those figures aren't cooked?
You seriously think non-profit presidents and staff can't get paid boo-koo bucks?
Did it hurt falling off the turnip truck yesterday?


So what? Staff salaries are listed as expenditures, and it has NOTHING to do with the thread.
 
2012-08-18 11:43:56 AM
Having been one of (undoubtedly) many Farkers who have staffed Burning Man over the years, I'm getting a kick ---

Seriously, there are as many (if not more) techies as there are 'hippies'. Good-looking people are proportionally more than 0.5 percent, too. Unless it's changed since I was there last, about 8 years ago. I was one of the only fat chicks there, given that it's kind of an outdoorsy venue.

BM is good if you value events and experiences that would never happen in real life. Drumming with Mick Fleetwood, coffee in the AM with actors and artists. Lots of unusual fun people who should have epic tales written about them -- an ex-academic physicist/mathematician in dreadlocks who just tours the country meeting up with other physicists to do calculations with. The surfer physicist who made the news a few years ago. Nurses and doctors. CEOs and students. Cute kids and old farts.

It's not sexy-time. Judge Wagner, screw you. Spend a few days up there. Titillation my ass (which stays clothed, thank you).
 
2012-08-18 11:44:42 AM
This thread's gonna need a Fark Badge soon.

So I guess that's why I'm posting in it.
 
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