"The petition was assigned to Judge Wagner - the very individual who had spoken out at a public hearing against the Burning Man event, had provided a public statement that the agreement between BRC and the county was not valid, had privately pressed commissioners to implement the relief requested in the petition, and who had witnessed the affidavit in support of the petition."

Then, "without the benefit of any briefing, Judge Wagner granted the petition," but "inexplicably" signed the order on May 15, 2012 - the day before the petition was even filed, according to the complaint.

Obama better check his garage. I think Cartman got ahold of the time machine.

wejash: Who knows in Nevada though.

It's a toss-up, I think. My understanding of it is that while the state is overall pretty irreligious, there are a number of super religious zealots living there (Mormons are a pretty common sight in and around Las Vegas), and I don't doubt they've snaked and slimed their way into positions of power.

"... and the land of the free tightly regulated by religious zealots"

Seeing as how BM has become a monster money-making venture (ironic, right?) for its organizers and considering the impact on the land, why not? Besides, putting your hand in the pocket of the next person is the American Way.

/Everybody pays and everybody gets paid, amirite?
//Call it art if you like.

They are going about this all wrong. If they want to infringe on people's rights and get away with it they need to do it for some PC reason; environmental ones (next to "for the children") are usually the most successful.

What is the environmental impact of Burning Man?

What is the Carbon Footprint?

How much trash and bio waste is generated?

When they burn the wicker man how much pollution is created?

What is the cost to mitigate these things?

Can't they just pick a less graft-plagued hunk of federal desert to run this thing?

the permit fee for outdoor assemblies to $1.50 per person per day

Wow, that's so not working with my ideas of rights to free speech and free assembly.

I can understand asking organizers to recompense for actual costs, but even there it's a slippery slope.

HotIgneous Intruder: Seeing as how BM has become a monster money-making venture (ironic, right?) for its organizers and considering the impact on the land, why not? Besides, putting your hand in the pocket of the next person is the American Way.

/Everybody pays and everybody gets paid, amirite?
//Call it art if you like.

Obvious troll is still obvious.

He's sticking it to hippies, so being an Activist Judge™ is OK.

Can't they just go somewhere else? If this thing is a "monster money making venture", wouldn't another region welcome the infux of people and money?

James F. Campbell: wejash: Who knows in Nevada though.

It's a toss-up, I think. My understanding of it is that while the state is overall pretty irreligious, there are a number of super religious zealots living there (Mormons are a pretty common sight in and around Las Vegas), and I don't doubt they've snaked and slimed their way into positions of power.

Oh, look, you're right: He's a Mormon. Good guess.

Wagner, who is not a party to this action, allegedly supported the festival law amendment at a November 2011 public hearing, "commenting that Burning Man 'purveys titillation.'"

Last I checked, purveying titillation is neither unconstitutional nor illegal.

>by doubling permit fees, its organizer claims in Federal Court. Though this year's event, which runs Aug. 27 to Sept. 3, will not be affected, the 2013 festival is in jeopardy after Pershing County allegedly hiked the fees from $154,000 in 2011 to $448,000 this year.

That's called "tripling", Nick DiVito.

Welcome to your future Theocracy America. Morality police making sure everything is good and clean!!

/there is still time to stop it
/do not vote in religious nutbags!!

Proud sponsor of 2013 Burning Man

hasty ambush: What is the environmental impact of Burning Man?

OK, you try cleaning up after the next one. Go on.

Lenny_da_Hog: Oh, look, you're right: He's a Mormon. Good guess.

Authoritarians and bullies of all stripes are attracted to power.

Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: Seeing as how BM has become a monster money-making venture (ironic, right?) for its organizers and considering the impact on the land, why not? Besides, putting your hand in the pocket of the next person is the American Way.

/Everybody pays and everybody gets paid, amirite?
//Call it art if you like.

Obvious troll is still obvious.

Bite me.
If you knew anything about the financial aspects of Burning Man you'd have a fractional clue what you're talking about.

/Fark Rule: If you say something that makes sense or reality based, you're a troll.

Great_Milenko: Can't they just go somewhere else? If this thing is a "monster money making venture", wouldn't another region welcome the infux of people and money?

How about the trash patch in the Pacific Ocean?

HotIgneous Intruder: Lenny_da_Hog: HotIgneous Intruder: Seeing as how BM has become a monster money-making venture (ironic, right?) for its organizers and considering the impact on the land, why not? Besides, putting your hand in the pocket of the next person is the American Way.

/Everybody pays and everybody gets paid, amirite?
//Call it art if you like.

Obvious troll is still obvious.

Bite me.
If you knew anything about the financial aspects of Burning Man you'd have a fractional clue what you're talking about.

/Fark Rule: If you say something that makes sense or reality based, you're a troll.

Yes. And the BLM has adopted BM's higher standards for land restoration. And BM's financial records are public.

/Snoop Dogg demanded that when he bought Burning Man for Dr. Dre.

hasty ambush: They are going about this all wrong. If they want to infringe on people's rights and get away with it they need to do it for some PC reason; environmental ones (next to "for the children") are usually the most successful.

When they burn the wicker man how much pollution is created?


What about the bees NOT THE BEES AHHHHHH Ahgarbulagabah my eyes! my eyes! AHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHhhhurgh!

retarded: Wagner, who is not a party to this action, allegedly supported the festival law amendment at a November 2011 public hearing, "commenting that Burning Man 'purveys titillation.'"

Last I checked, purveying titillation is neither unconstitutional nor illegal.

Doesn't Hollywood call that "prime time"?

Ticket prices starting at $240 and ranging up to $390, times about 55,000 people = about $15 million in ticket sales. I think the "organizers" can afford the fee bump.

Then there's the $7 "processing fee" and $12 delivery fee per ticket.
Somebody be getting PAID all up in there.

SOURCE.

/There's no whining like the wannabe hippie artiste freedom herpes trust-fund crowd whining.

HotIgneous Intruder: Ticket prices starting at $240 and ranging up to $390, times about 55,000 people = about $15 million in ticket sales. I think the "organizers" can afford the fee bump.

Then there's the $7 "processing fee" and $12 delivery fee per ticket.
Somebody be getting PAID all up in there.

SOURCE.

/There's no whining like the wannabe hippie artiste freedom herpes trust-fund crowd whining.

Total Expenditures - 2010: $17,515,083

James F. Campbell: Lenny_da_Hog: Oh, look, you're right: He's a Mormon. Good guess.

Authoritarians and bullies of all stripes are attracted to power.

Oh, and he also sits on the state board that " monitors and regulates the ethical behavior of judges", so he'll get a pass on that....

Of course, not liking something in the United States gives you the freedom as a judge to thwart due process and keep it from happening.

"Specifically, the proposal would have imposed hundreds of thousands of dollars of new fees on BRC, subjected Burning Man to local law enforcement inconsistent with the terms of the BLM permit, and otherwise make the conduct of the Burning Man event contingent upon and subject to county and state laws and polices that could conflict, and in fact did conflict, with the terms of the 2012 BLM permit."

Oh my god; make them responsible for their actions?! Put municipal and state legislation before the content of a commercial contract? What kind of monsters are proposing this?!

Actual Farking: a hoard of disgusting people

I wasn't planning on keeping ALL of them.

Great_Milenko: Can't they just go somewhere else? If this thing is a "monster money making venture", wouldn't another region welcome the infux of people and money?

Why do you think the judge is jacking up the fees here?

Hint: It's not due to any "moral opposition" to the event content.

Oh.
I forgot vendor fees.

Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.

Meh. It's mostly corporate dudes and old people now. Everyone I know that goes is about 40 with a desk job. The freaking CEOs of google and Nokia go. If you want to hate on a gathering of disgusting people, hate on the DMV or a Kid Rock show.

LoneVVolf: "Specifically, the proposal would have imposed hundreds of thousands of dollars of new fees on BRC, subjected Burning Man to local law enforcement inconsistent with the terms of the BLM permit, and otherwise make the conduct of the Burning Man event contingent upon and subject to county and state laws and polices that could conflict, and in fact did conflict, with the terms of the 2012 BLM permit."

Oh my god; make them responsible for their actions?! Put municipal and state legislation before the content of a commercial contract? What kind of monsters are proposing this?!

That was a civil contract.

To keep from having to litigate BLM vs. County authority, the country signed an agreement to leave it to the BLM in return for donations to the county.

The judge then colluded to throw the contract out so he could punish people who weren't puritan enough, with the entire goal of dictating morality.

Now they have to litigate that authority, and the Federal permit is going to supersede the county law.

No environmental impact whatsoever!

smip:

Don't think that just because there are a lot of Hippies present, that Burning Man is all eco-friendly.

Fuel (e.g., gasoline, diesel, wood, propane) would be used for transportation, power generators and open burning. The applicant rented 34 generators to power its operations during the 2011 event and surveys taken during the 2011 event found participants used 213 generators for art projects, 1,124 generators for theme camps and motor homes, and another 550 engines for mobile art or mutant vehicles. The level of traffic, fuel sources, and fuel use associated with 58,000 to 70,000 people would be greater than the 2011 levels in proportion with population

...then there's the airport...

In 2010, 1,253 total operations and 630 landings occurred during the Burning Man event, and in 2011, there were 2,062 total operations and 978 landings during the event (BRC 2012).

...and almost a thousand port-a-potties to pimp...

The number of toilets would be based on BRC's expected population (e.g., there were approximately 900 toilets available for the 2011 event)

This all goes back to the fact that this is the land of the free until you go offending someone's sensibilities. They get their fundies all in a bunch, then biatch and cry about it, and then everyone having fun has to pick up their toys and go home.

Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.

Do the words "Freedom of Assembly" mean anything to you? Or do you think the 1st Amendment only applies to people and groups whose views you approve of and agree with?

Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.

Have you been to the Black Rock Desert? It's 10 miles from anything. Gerlach which is the closest thing to civilization, I think is happy to have the business it generates because it and a gas station are pretty much the only thing around for 50 miles.

/LDRS!!

Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.


Is this done near people's homes? I thought it was out in the desert. I've never had an interest before but for some reason all of a sudden I kind of want to go to this thing.

HotIgneous Intruder: Vendor fees.

What's your point? The organization takes in revenue and spends it. Everyone involved is okay with that.

Oh, that's right. You're an obvious troll, ignoring that a judge just used his authority to punish people who don't adhere to his religious beliefs, while violating ethics laws requiring recusing himself and violated due process to do pass a court order violating the county's right to make contracts.

That's okay, though, because you don't like it either. Authoritarian.

Dent01: This all goes back to the fact that this is the land of the free until you go offending someone's sensibilities. They get their fundies all in a bunch, then biatch and cry about it, and then everyone having fun has to pick up their toys and go home.

Its only freedom if Jeebus is involved. If there is no Jeebus, then you can be oppressed all day/every day.

Check out those ticket prices.

44,000 tickets x average ticket price $320 = 14 million dollars in revenue.

The permit fee is $450k... or about 3.2% of total revenue. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination. This is hardly going to run burning man out of town.

It sounds more like the county just wants its fair share of the action.

HotIgneous Intruder: No environmental impact whatsoever!

smip:

Don't think that just because there are a lot of Hippies present, that Burning Man is all eco-friendly.

Fuel (e.g., gasoline, diesel, wood, propane) would be used for transportation, power generators and open burning. The applicant rented 34 generators to power its operations during the 2011 event and surveys taken during the 2011 event found participants used 213 generators for art projects, 1,124 generators for theme camps and motor homes, and another 550 engines for mobile art or mutant vehicles. The level of traffic, fuel sources, and fuel use associated with 58,000 to 70,000 people would be greater than the 2011 levels in proportion with population

...then there's the airport...

In 2010, 1,253 total operations and 630 landings occurred during the Burning Man event, and in 2011, there were 2,062 total operations and 978 landings during the event (BRC 2012).

...and almost a thousand port-a-potties to pimp...

The number of toilets would be based on BRC's expected population (e.g., there were approximately 900 toilets available for the 2011 event)

And this makes it okay to violate due process in order to impose your religious beliefs.

It's okay because you don't like them.

Lenny_da_Hog: And this makes it okay to violate due process in order to impose your religious beliefs.

It's okay because you don't like them.

Plenty of non-religious reasons not to like the Burning Man clusterjerk.

/And yes, I don't like religions. So wut?

Any Pie Left: Can't they just pick a less graft-plagued hunk of federal desert to run this thing?

They can and will, and the good people of Gerlach will be like "Bawww! My fry bread stand shut down! My gas station 85 miles from nowhere ain't sellin no condoms! Baww!" and there go all the flying dollar signs, to say, Fallon or Elko or maybe even Wyomingo.

BokChoy: Check out those ticket prices.

44,000 tickets x average ticket price $320 = 14 million dollars in revenue.

The permit fee is $450k... or about 3.2% of total revenue. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination. This is hardly going to run burning man out of town.

It sounds more like the county just wants its fair share of the action.

No, because if it holds, they Pershing Co. Sheriff will have the authority to judge everything there and make arrests for "obscenity" or "lewdness." They want the power to harass them off of Federal land that can't be seen by anyone except the participants. The closest city isn't even in Pershing Co -- it doesn't affect anyone but the participants.

In fact, they give Pershing Co. a lot of revenue every year. The whole reason this judge is doing this is because he doesn't like boobies.

Abox: Actual Farking: Meh. I wouldn't want Burning Man near my home any more than I would want the Gathering of the juggalos in my back yard. If you are a hoard of disgusting people who want to have a massive party, don't think you aren't going to have to pay through the nose for the privilege.


Is this done near people's homes? I thought it was out in the desert. I've never had an interest before but for some reason all of a sudden I kind of want to go to this thing.

I just realized why I want to go. I have a group of friends that are of almost no use to me except that they'd make this thing awesome. Up til now they were just going to be my zombie-apocalypse/societal breakdown defense group...so you can see how their skills might come in handy at Burning Man.

BokChoy: Check out those ticket prices.

44,000 tickets x average ticket price $320 = 14 million dollars in revenue.

The permit fee is $450k... or about 3.2% of total revenue. Not huge by any stretch of the imagination. This is hardly going to run burning man out of town.

It sounds more like the county just wants its fair share of the action.

And that private profit is being made using public land.