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2012-08-18 09:09:32 AM
Gas prices are creeping up again. About time for the local news to interview someone whining "It costs more than $100 to fill up my Escalade. When is the government going to DO something?"
 
2012-08-18 09:12:48 AM
 
2012-08-18 09:36:26 AM
Even wonder which countries fund their road taxes purely from gasoline instead of $100 billion highway bills?
 
2012-08-18 10:20:28 AM
Our gas is about 15 lei a liter. That's 5$ a gallon in American
 
2012-08-18 10:28:23 AM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


Thanks!

/63 page slideshow? F*ck that.
 
2012-08-18 10:41:39 AM
Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.
 
2012-08-18 10:49:05 AM

Shostie: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thanks!

/63 page slideshow? F*ck that.


That was my thought verbatim.
 
2012-08-18 11:07:28 AM
According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.
 
2012-08-18 11:08:49 AM

BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.


Then how come gas prices were higher when Bush was President?
 
2012-08-18 11:09:35 AM
I click on the link, there's no goddamn list. It's a motherfarking slide show.
 
2012-08-18 11:09:59 AM
Also known as which countries most subsidize energy prices through alternate financing.
 
2012-08-18 11:10:15 AM
I got gas for $2.99/gal the other day. Course, I had gas points saved up on my grocery store card.
 
2012-08-18 11:10:51 AM
And how many don't care what it costs in other countries since it's not relevant?
 
2012-08-18 11:11:13 AM
Sixty three slides? This is the type of thing that should get Anonymous on your ass.
 
2012-08-18 11:12:18 AM
Price.....Country.............Pain Rank
$10.12...Norway......................#52
$9.41....Turkey........................#7
$9.28....Israel..........................#31
$8.61....Hong Kong.................#35
$8.26....Netherlands...............#41
$8.20....Denmark...................#47
$8.15....Italy............................#34
$8.14....Sweden......................#48
$7.92....Greece.......................#26
$7.87....United Kingdom.........#37
$7.79....France.......................#39
$7.77....Belgium.....................#42
$7.74....Germany....................#40
$7.72....Portugal.....................#23
$7.66....Switzerland................#53
$7.59....Finland.......................#45
$7.34....Ireland........................#44
$7.15....Japan.........................#46
$7.12....South Korea..............#30
$6.93....Slovakia.....................#21
$6.92....Brazil..........................#13
$6.79....Hungary.....................#15
$6.60....Malta..........................#27
$6.57....Slovenia.....................#32
$6.55....New Zealand............#43
$6.49....Austria.......................#49
$6.47....Spain.........................#36
$6.46....Czech Republic.........#25
$6.41....Australia.....................#54
$6.38....Luxembourg..............#56
$6.32....Lithuania....................#18
$6.15....Poland.......................#19
$6.13....Chile...........................#22
$6.12....Bulgaria......................#6
$6.08....Latvia.........................#17
$6.08....Singapore...................#50
$5.96....Colombia....................#10
$5.86....Cyprus.......................#38
$5.82....Argentina....................#16
$5.80....Estonia......................#24
$5.71....Romania....................#11
$5.46....Canada......................#51
$5.44....India...........................#1
$5.30....South Africa...............#12
$4.89....China..........................#8
$4.51....Thailand.....................#9
$4.42....Philippines.................#3
$3.85....Indonesia...................#5
$3.75....Russia.......................#33
$3.75....United States.............#55
$3.55....Pakistan.......................#2
$3.24....Mexico........................#29
$3.23....Malaysia.....................#28
$2.80....Iran.............................#20
$2.32....Nigeria........................#4
$1.89....United Arab Emirates..#57
$1.73....Egypt..........................#14
$0.89....Kuwait........................#59
$0.61....Saudi Arabia..............#58
$0.09....Venezuela..................#60
 
2012-08-18 11:14:59 AM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


Thank you. I saw "1 of 63" and thought tl;dr.
 
2012-08-18 11:16:12 AM
Came here to see people who think Venezuela isn't a massive culsterfark defend the absurd gas subsidies there.

Looks like I'm early.
 
2012-08-18 11:16:31 AM

smimmy: $0.09....Venezuela..................#60


Ah, now I see why the US corporate complex hates Chavez so much.

All that profit he's denying them by not letting them get their hands on that oil and sell it at a huge profit.
 
2012-08-18 11:17:37 AM

Eat More Possum: Our gas is about 15 lei a liter. That's 5$ a gallon in American


Five years ago, I would have thought $5 gallon gas was insane. Best deal in Los Angeles right now is about $4.05 a gallon at Arco's and other discount gas. Ironic that I am reading about it being a banner year for U.S. oil exports
Probably due to the fact that no new refineries are being built.
 
2012-08-18 11:17:41 AM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


Thank you, its too early for slideshows.

All those average daily wages in eastern European nations kind of scare me.
 
2012-08-18 11:19:04 AM
3.89 in central Wisconsin.
 
2012-08-18 11:19:05 AM

GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.


I was hoping that this list might help Americans recalibrate their biatching about gas prices. Apparently, I'm mistaken.
 
2012-08-18 11:19:38 AM
Does that Stacey Jones biatch in the comments have a butthole tattoo?

Also, twice the price in Australia, one place difference in pain. We're RICH BIATCH!
 
2012-08-18 11:20:16 AM

farkityfarker: smimmy: $0.09....Venezuela..................#60

Ah, now I see why the US corporate complex hates Chavez so much.

All that profit he's denying them by not letting them get their hands on that oil and sell it at a huge profit.


You need to read the slide and why its that cheep, and that the government has had it in place for years before Chavez and are too scared to change it now.
 
2012-08-18 11:20:53 AM
As usual this is somewhat wrong. In most countries that have higher prices they're not actually paying more for the gas itself, most of the price they are paying is the huge taxes they pay. For example, if you take away the tax (20% VAT and duty $2.70/gal) from the UK fuel prices it's actually only around $3.60 a gallon.
 
2012-08-18 11:20:59 AM

unyon: GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.

I was hoping that this list might help Americans recalibrate their biatching about gas prices. Apparently, I'm mistaken.


I'm not biatching about the price, I'm biatching about the statement that gas prices declined for 14 straight weeks, implying it is still decreasing today.
 
2012-08-18 11:21:43 AM
SLIDESHOW???????????
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-18 11:21:47 AM
cache.gawkerassets.com

What are these "gas prices" of which you speak?
 
2012-08-18 11:23:02 AM
I am NOT driving to Venezuela to fill my car.
 
2012-08-18 11:23:09 AM
Typical Americans always biatching, petrol here in Atropia is 800 Kramers a litre. Pay no mind that most of that goes to the taxman to sling roller coaster rails all over my country, which is the size of one of your counties.
 
2012-08-18 11:25:46 AM

MC Magic Cracker: I click on the link, there's no goddamn list. It's a motherfarking slide show.


Ermahgerd! You'd have to push a button over 60 times! Nobody should have to suffer that much.
 
2012-08-18 11:27:31 AM
Yes, but the US has a wider space so people have to drive everywhere. So it should still be cheaper. The same excuse is used for why our internet coverage is relatively weak and expensive.

/Ignoring that you may not need that suv or pickup, but whatever, people will whine about what they can.
 
2012-08-18 11:28:16 AM

BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.


Ahhhh Fark, becoming infowars for the libs here, in most political threads, the main reason to never click on the politics tab.

Speaking of infowars, a friend of the GFs now believes all their conspiracy nutbags and thinks we are insane for not accepting them. The one going around now is all these gun incidents are Obama's way to get guns banned and that the Aurora shooter was drugged which is why he described as being in a haze the next day, when I told him mental patients have described the same thing in a psychotic episode he just said we are full of shiat. Even after giving him links to papers written on their studies.

I told the GF he's never allowed at the house and she should probably drop all contact for a while to see if we can get lower on the list in case he snaps.
 
2012-08-18 11:28:44 AM
A vast infrastructure of bike paths and lanes, tunnels and traffic signals makes cycling easy to adopt.

Who knew it was so easy to get around in a small, flat country?

/wtf is going on in that slovakia cave picture?
 
2012-08-18 11:29:33 AM

Krymson Tyde: Shostie: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thanks!

/63 page slideshow? F*ck that.

That was my thought verbatim.


Came here looking for deslidification. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-18 11:30:40 AM
fark you and fark your 63 page slide show in the ass, subby.
 
2012-08-18 11:31:14 AM
Who cares?
Lived and worked in same neighborhood for 20 years.

/ride my bike
/city folk
 
2012-08-18 11:31:52 AM

Rocket To Russia: MC Magic Cracker: I click on the link, there's no goddamn list. It's a motherfarking slide show.

Ermahgerd! You'd have to push a button over 60 times! Nobody should have to suffer that much.


I know, right? Damn, my finger hurts. A little.
 
2012-08-18 11:32:57 AM
Venezuelan gas prices are absolutely ridiculous. Traffic is unbearable, with cars that should have been retired years ago; and nobody is taking the new public transport options anyways, since gas is so cheap. It's just wasted money left and right.
 
2012-08-18 11:35:08 AM
63 page slideshow? That's right, I complaining loud about my white people problems
 
2012-08-18 11:36:20 AM
What I found more interesting were the daily income in some of those places. A couple on Social Security could live like a king and queen in some of those places.
 
2012-08-18 11:36:25 AM
Live in Norway.... Don't really care about fuel prices..... Vehicle prices, on the other hand.... the 100% vehicle tax doesn't agree with me.
 
2012-08-18 11:38:03 AM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


Thanks. The photos are stunning.
 
2012-08-18 11:39:20 AM
Central Coast of California, pipelines all over the place and still the highest gas prices. $4.21 per gallon yesterday.
 
2012-08-18 11:39:23 AM

steamingpile: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thank you, its too early for slideshows.

All those average daily wages in eastern European nations kind of scare me.


They should. They are coming to America.
 
2012-08-18 11:40:08 AM

unyon: GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.

I was hoping that this list might help Americans recalibrate their biatching about gas prices. Apparently, I'm mistaken.


He has a point. While gas prices did fall for 14 weeks in a row, they have been rising for the last six weeks and are only 20 cents off the peak.

April
August
 
2012-08-18 11:40:16 AM
page 1 of 63? See yah!
 
2012-08-18 11:42:00 AM
Here in Amerika we have cheap gas and have banned big engines. Go figure.
 
2012-08-18 11:42:04 AM
I enjoyed the pictures from each country. Some great photography.
 
2012-08-18 11:43:33 AM
FTFA: Americans have little to complain about. They pay less than half the European price for gasoline and $1.15 per gallon below the world average.

Yeah, but we also have a shiatty public transit system in most parts of our country. Europe, not so much.
 
2012-08-18 11:44:39 AM
www.bloomberg.com

Gas prices don't bother me as much as the article using a damn moose for our picture. Almost every other country got a stunning picture of a skyline, people or landscape...but us? Canada in a nutshell: a farking moose.

/white Canadian people problems
 
2012-08-18 11:45:50 AM
FTFDS: Latest changes: 2012-08-18
"Shuffled around and deleted tons of code. Since testing code is only for pussies and people who make mistakes, no tests were done. So write an email if something doesn't work. Which obviously won't be necessary. Well, probably. How does one make branches in SVN again?"

LOL.
 
2012-08-18 11:47:47 AM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


Thanks for curing that problem.

Subby! Slideshows are NOT spiffy!
 
2012-08-18 11:51:49 AM
I arrived in Australia a few weeks ago, and you can imagine my confusion when I saw the prices at gas stations like this one:
farm4.static.flickr.com
At first glance, it appears that regular unleaded costs A$160.90 per liter... After inquiries, I was assured by my host that the sign actually says 160.9 cents... A$1.60 for a liter... Why not just say that? 

/might be funny to try this in the US, to see people's reactions
//"Dammit, Fartb0ng0 got his Ayrab friends to jack gas prices up to $160 a... a litre? WTF is a litre?"
 
2012-08-18 11:52:32 AM
Gas should be $6.00 a gallon here tomorrow. People will learn to adapt. Must of the people I see biatch are ones that think a Humvee makes up for their little dick. And yes, I heard a guy at a gas station biatching incessantly to his maybe 10 year old son that Obama is an asshole because of how much it costs for him to fill his tank. And yes, he was in a spotless Humvee. In a city. You can drive whatever you want to, but if I decide to drive a semi to commute 2 miles to work because it makes me feel like a man, I have no right to biatch about the cost of fuel.

Go up any highway and half the vehicles are trucks and giant SUVs. With ONE f*cking person in them. Stop biatching.
 
2012-08-18 11:53:31 AM

filter: steamingpile: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thank you, its too early for slideshows.

All those average daily wages in eastern European nations kind of scare me.

They should. They are coming to America.


That's not what scares me but then someone has to spin this, you should be more worried about a war there than those wages coming here.

Simple minded people always worried about the wrong issue.
 
2012-08-18 11:53:53 AM
Sometimes when I read lists like this I remember that some countries use imperial gallons for liquid measure and wonder if they didn't take it into consideration when doing the list. A gallon of gasoline in Canada is 4.546 liters while in the US it's 3.79

I'm not saying they did this, I'm just saying I wonder.
 
2012-08-18 11:55:06 AM
As someone who regularly siphons the gas for my car from the tanks of other schmoes, my per gallon cost is $0.00 and I'm getting a big kick. Okay, so maybe I do swallow a mouthful of gas I'm siphoning here and there. But, a quick case of vomiting, dizziness and internal bleeding and I'm good to go. Thank God there's no lead in it anymore.
 
2012-08-18 11:58:21 AM
The 64th slide is the start of a slideshow on comparative bandwidth prices per nation.

Or should be.
 
2012-08-18 12:01:49 PM

Farkage: Gas should be $6.00 a gallon here tomorrow. People will learn to adapt. Must of the people I see biatch are ones that think a Humvee makes up for their little dick. And yes, I heard a guy at a gas station biatching incessantly to his maybe 10 year old son that Obama is an asshole because of how much it costs for him to fill his tank. And yes, he was in a spotless Humvee. In a city. You can drive whatever you want to, but if I decide to drive a semi to commute 2 miles to work because it makes me feel like a man, I have no right to biatch about the cost of fuel.

Go up any highway and half the vehicles are trucks and giant SUVs. With ONE f*cking person in them. Stop biatching.


This, This and This
 
2012-08-18 12:02:08 PM

Paris1127: I arrived in Australia a few weeks ago, and you can imagine my confusion when I saw the prices at gas stations like this one:
[farm4.static.flickr.com image 273x500]
At first glance, it appears that regular unleaded costs A$160.90 per liter... After inquiries, I was assured by my host that the sign actually says 160.9 cents... A$1.60 for a liter... Why not just say that? 

/might be funny to try this in the US, to see people's reactions
//"Dammit, Fartb0ng0 got his Ayrab friends to jack gas prices up to $160 a... a litre? WTF is a litre?"


I think (and that's pretty rare) that it's a hangover from when I was a kid in NZ and petrol was less than a dollar, but the 'points' of a cent made all the difference where you would buy gas. "82.9!!??? I can get it a Caltex for 82.5 cents a litre!!!" etc
 
2012-08-18 12:05:41 PM

Richard Roma: Sixty three slides? This is the type of thing that should get Anonymous on your ass.


Agreed. That was bullshiat subby

You link was bad and you should feel bad
 
2012-08-18 12:06:26 PM

Paris1127: I arrived in Australia a few weeks ago, and you can imagine my confusion when I saw the prices at gas stations like this one:
[farm4.static.flickr.com image 273x500]
At first glance, it appears that regular unleaded costs A$160.90 per liter... After inquiries, I was assured by my host that the sign actually says 160.9 cents... A$1.60 for a liter... Why not just say that? 

/might be funny to try this in the US, to see people's reactions
//"Dammit, Fartb0ng0 got his Ayrab friends to jack gas prices up to $160 a... a litre? WTF is a litre?"


Mind you, back then you could get 5 small candy (lollies) coins for 1 cent....
 
2012-08-18 12:06:26 PM
If you live in Israel, you can't drive very far anyway, so it doesn't make much difference.
 
2012-08-18 12:06:43 PM

filter: Live in Norway.... Don't really care about fuel prices..... Vehicle prices, on the other hand.... the 100% vehicle tax doesn't agree with me.


Well, at least if you become sick and need medical care it won't bankrupt you if you're unfortunate enough not to have a job with good benefits.
 
2012-08-18 12:09:19 PM

farkityfarker: smimmy: $0.09....Venezuela..................#60

Ah, now I see why the US corporate complex hates Chavez so much.

All that profit he's denying them by not letting them get their hands on that oil and sell it at a huge profit.


No lot of countries , even oil rich ones subsidize gasoline to hold the retail cost down.


Venezuela loses $1.5 bln a year in gasoline subsidy

"Rather than raise prices, the government is trying to reduce internal fuel consumption.

"We have to start to reduce gasoline use. Venezuelan gasoline is the cheapest in the world," Chavez said. "The government subsidizes 90 percent of that fuel's real cost.""
 
2012-08-18 12:10:29 PM
Yup. Gas in Trondheim is up to 15.69/liter, which works out to $10.33/gallon. In other words, the article was dead on (and I was all set to biatch about how inaccurate it was!).

/got to drive a hybrid for the first time today, and it was fuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!
 
2012-08-18 12:15:35 PM
I don't give a damn about the rest of the world's gas prices.

I still think I pay way too much. Ideally, I would pay nothing but $2 a gallon would be fair.
 
2012-08-18 12:15:40 PM

farkityfarker: filter: Live in Norway.... Don't really care about fuel prices..... Vehicle prices, on the other hand.... the 100% vehicle tax doesn't agree with me.

Well, at least if you become sick and need medical care it won't bankrupt you if you're unfortunate enough not to have a job with good benefits.


Socialist Liberal Americans see Norway as Paradise so please do not burst their bubble.
 
2012-08-18 12:19:25 PM
I don't care what the gas price is somewhere else. Telling us what "their" price is is akin to telling a homeless person in Los Angeles or New York City "See, you're lucky. They have it much worse in Zimbabwe"
 
2012-08-18 12:21:32 PM
www.bloomberg.com

In Pakistan, their hair are birds, and your arguments are invalid.
 
2012-08-18 12:31:11 PM

farkityfarker: filter: Live in Norway.... Don't really care about fuel prices..... Vehicle prices, on the other hand.... the 100% vehicle tax doesn't agree with me.

Well, at least if you become sick and need medical care it won't bankrupt you if you're unfortunate enough not to have a job with good benefits.


Of course if you die on the waiting list to get medical care it won't matter either:

The regional health enterprises are encouraged to enter into
agreements with private providers of health care. There is a growing number of private hospitals.
 
2012-08-18 12:31:25 PM
Gas is back to $4.00 a gallon here in CT for no good reason at all. I drive a Hyundai Elantra which gets pretty damn good mileage, so it's not too bad yet, but when it starts costing me north of $40 for a tank of gas, there's a problem.
 
2012-08-18 12:32:20 PM
According to Fuelly, I spend about 14¢ a mile to fill up my S60R.
 
2012-08-18 12:37:49 PM
The price per country is totally not comparable since some countries heavily subsidize it, some heavily tax it, others produce most of there own oil. To compare price per gallon is MEANINGLESS.
 
2012-08-18 12:37:50 PM

filter: steamingpile: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thank you, its too early for slideshows.

All those average daily wages in eastern European nations kind of scare me.

They should. They are coming to America.


GOOD. People need to learn a hard lesson through their pocket book.
 
2012-08-18 12:40:24 PM
#5. Not surprised.

i.imgur.com

"Every day sharp pricing". Right.
 
2012-08-18 12:41:15 PM
If you take average commute distance/vehicle mpg, I bet the US would rank way way up there in terms of pain etc... most of these countries with higher gas prices have two things the US don;t have... much better public transportation infrastructure and much shorter commute distances.

I mean when you drive your Suburban 100 miles each day for work, Wal Mart, Appleees etc even a $1.50/gallon can get expensive compared to say a Dutch or Singaporean who drives his Prius 100 miles every two weeks for the same thing.
 
2012-08-18 12:44:23 PM
Ecuador...

$2 per gallon for the most expensive Gas...

But.... what definition of gallon are they using?
 
2012-08-18 12:46:54 PM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


Thanks for that. Would not have clicked through all of those.

Interesting to see the daily incomes, also.
 
2012-08-18 12:53:52 PM

farkityfarker: Ah, now I see why the US corporate complex hates Chavez so much.


No. No you don't.

All that profit he's denying them by not letting them get their hands on that oil and sell it at a huge profit.

You're referring to the insane price subsidies where poor, starving Venezuelans have to pay to keep gas cheap there for political reasons? That increases consumption and thus increases profits for all oil companies.
 
xcv
2012-08-18 12:55:41 PM

hasty ambush: farkityfarker: filter: Live in Norway.... Don't really care about fuel prices..... Vehicle prices, on the other hand.... the 100% vehicle tax doesn't agree with me.

Well, at least if you become sick and need medical care it won't bankrupt you if you're unfortunate enough not to have a job with good benefits.

Of course if you die on the waiting list to get medical care it won't matter either:

The regional health enterprises are encouraged to enter into
agreements with private providers of health care. There is a growing number of private hospitals.


"In 2002, the private hospitals accounted for around 100 beds compared with 13 000 beds in public hospitals."

All those tens of people at risk of dying from not getting hip replacements in time.
 
2012-08-18 12:57:33 PM

steamingpile: BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.

Ahhhh Fark, becoming infowars for the libs here, in most political threads, the main reason to never click on the politics tab.

Speaking of infowars, a friend of the GFs now believes all their conspiracy nutbags and thinks we are insane for not accepting them. The one going around now is all these gun incidents are Obama's way to get guns banned and that the Aurora shooter was drugged which is why he described as being in a haze the next day, when I told him mental patients have described the same thing in a psychotic episode he just said we are full of shiat. Even after giving him links to papers written on their studies.

I told the GF he's never allowed at the house and she should probably drop all contact for a while to see if we can get lower on the list in case he snaps.



There's no chance you have a girlfriend.
 
2012-08-18 01:05:45 PM
I don't get the kvetching about the slideshow in this case?
It doesn't cause a full page reload (those slideshows can rot in hell), and the slide takes up the bulk of the 'above the fold' section of the page...

It's actually more efficient to view it this way than it would as a single page.

My only improvement would be an intro table with links for an easy jump to a specific country.
 
2012-08-18 01:12:57 PM

BMFPitt: You're referring to the insane price subsidies where poor, starving Venezuelans have to pay to keep gas cheap there for political reasons? That increases consumption and thus increases profits for all oil companies.


Venezuelans believe that low gas prices are practically part of their human rights. Did you read the bit about how people rioted all over the country last time they tried cutting subsidies? The subsidies aren't Chavez's idea. The reasons are social, not political.

I find it hilarious how similar the US and Venezuela are when it comes to consumption (both flatly refuse for the most part to adjust their lifestyles in the face of an obviously destructive and unsustainable energy profile) and yet when Chavez starts forcing the wealthy to pay their fair share of the subsidies so that poor people can afford to buy... y'know... food and stuff, the self-righteous, self-entitled, corporate whore conservatives in the US want to make him out to be the Antichrist.

Nobody wants to have their cake and eat it too quite as well as Americans do.
 
2012-08-18 01:14:39 PM

MemeSlave: And how many don't care what it costs in other countries since it's not relevant?


7 people including you don't care, and incorrectly believe it's not relevant.


Is there anything else you want to know?
 
2012-08-18 01:20:45 PM
Not sure how many people in Hong Kong or Singapore care about "pain at the pump", no one owns a car.

Seriously, they have these giant apartment buildings going up the hill with parking garages for maybe 40 cars, owning a car there would be a waste of money and probably just stressful.

Personally I love seeing US gas prices go up, gives people a dose of reality.
 
2012-08-18 01:22:20 PM
So when do the Ford F-250 owners thar hate socialism scream for the President of Kenya and Mooslim ursurper Fartbongo to take gummint action to make gas cheaper?
 
2012-08-18 01:27:42 PM

unyon: GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.

I was hoping that this list might help Americans recalibrate their biatching about gas prices. Apparently, I'm mistaken.


It does make a difference that a huge number of those countries ahead of us do not product oil.
 
2012-08-18 01:28:37 PM

SuperNinjaToad: If you take average commute distance/vehicle mpg, I bet the US would rank way way up there in terms of pain etc... most of these countries with higher gas prices have two things the US don;t have... much better public transportation infrastructure and much shorter commute distances.

I mean when you drive your Suburban 100 miles each day for work, Wal Mart, Appleees etc even a $1.50/gallon can get expensive compared to say a Dutch or Singaporean who drives his Prius 100 miles every two weeks for the same thing.


This lifestyle is wasteful and unsustainable, and it never should have been allowed to flourish in the first place, no matter how much cheap open land the US had at its disposal.

I don't feel any pity for people who choose to live somewhere where the only job they can get is 50 miles away. With a few exceptions, no matter what your skill set is, there's a company near an urban center you could work for instead if you wanted to. You might not get to live in a 3000 sq. foot standalone McMansion with a 2 acre front yard, swimming pool and central air, but it's only the cultural bias of a moronic generation that thought the oil would last forever that have convinced you that you need that shiat in the first place.

"But I need my PERSONAL SPACE! If I live in a city, I might have to admit that other people exist on a daily basis, and actually *gulp* interact with them."
 
2012-08-18 01:32:07 PM
I stopped caring about the gas prices and started dreaming of the water when i saw this...

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-18 01:36:51 PM
It's a $1.17.9 a liter here so I'm going to go fuel up my moose and run some errands.

/At least it wasn't a picture of a beaver.
 
2012-08-18 01:38:50 PM

SharkTrager: unyon: GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.

I was hoping that this list might help Americans recalibrate their biatching about gas prices. Apparently, I'm mistaken.

It does make a difference that a huge number of those countries ahead of us do not product oil.


Why would that make a difference? I presume you biatch because the price is a hardship. That you are #57 of 60 on this list in terms of pain suggests you should STFU and GBTW. And btw- Norway is #1 on this list in price, and one of the world's largest producers. Energy prices have very, very, little to do with production or the actual cost.
 
2012-08-18 01:39:46 PM
"This lifestyle is wasteful and unsustainable"

I'm beginning to loathe the word "unsustainable" almost as much as "outrage".
 
2012-08-18 01:40:35 PM

cmb53208: So when do the Ford F-250 owners thar hate socialism scream for the President of Kenya and Mooslim ursurper Fartbongo to take gummint action to make gas cheaper?


I am more amused how everybody blamed Bush and oil companies, had congressional hearing when it was this high under his administration but with Obama everybody now accepts Barack Obama Can't Do Much About Gas Prices
 
2012-08-18 01:44:16 PM

Z-clipped: This lifestyle is wasteful and unsustainable, and it never should have been allowed to flourish in the first place, no matter how much cheap open land the US had at its disposal.


Aw yes,life style and behavior control to include where you can live and how yo get to and from work. A perfectly legitimate function of government that in no way would be abused and infringe on individual freedoms.

Environmentalism is the new Marxism.
 
2012-08-18 01:45:10 PM

tarheel07: According to Fuelly, I spend about 14¢ a mile to fill up my S60R.


Yep, 13 cents a mile for my AWD Vibe over the last 18 months. As far as personal transportation I could easily absorb a doubling in price, but the knock on effects of the price of everything else would become important long before then.
 
2012-08-18 01:45:29 PM

Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure


That site is awesome.
 
2012-08-18 01:57:24 PM
This list is highly misleading and practically worthless.

These prices include taxes, which are often much, much more than what the US pays.

Yes, the UK is currently paying $7.87 a gallon, but considering that at least half of that is taxes that covers NHS and other social programs for the country, it would be interesting to know what prices countries are paying for the ACTUAL gas, minus taxes on a local or nationwide level.
 
2012-08-18 01:57:34 PM

bugmn99: What are these "gas prices" of which you speak?


texaslynn.files.wordpress.com

Not for stealing the gas... for messing with the car.
 
2012-08-18 01:59:53 PM

randomjsa: bugmn99: What are these "gas prices" of which you speak?

[texaslynn.files.wordpress.com image 650x364]

Not for stealing the gas... for messing with the car.


I'll remember not to shiat on the hood of your Datsun.
 
2012-08-18 02:00:48 PM
I found the average daily wage info far more interesting....it seems I make the same as the average for Spain, or about 60% of the US average.


/man that sucks...
 
2012-08-18 02:02:24 PM

hasty ambush: Aw yes,life style and behavior control to include where you can live and how yo get to and from work. A perfectly legitimate function of government that in no way would be abused and infringe on individual freedoms.


Behavior control... in the form of higher initial taxes on gasoline, coupled with investment in public transit instead of throwing all the money at an interstate highway system. It would have kept more people and companies in the cities and discouraged urban sprawl. Also, the government stepping in to prevent Standard Oil and GM from killing urban light rail would have been nice.

And yes, behavior control via taxation is absolutely a legitimate function of government, especially when it prevents market failure, properly allocates responsibility for externalities, and improves economic conditions for the population.

It's not an issue of Environmentalism. It's basic math. Resources are finite. We want our species to continue. If we don't use our brains, these are going to be incompatible scenarios.
 
2012-08-18 02:02:50 PM

violentsalvation: Typical Americans always biatching, petrol here in Atropia is 800 Kramers a litre. Pay no mind that most of that goes to the taxman to sling roller coaster rails all over my country, which is the size of one of your counties.


Is that you Borat?
 
2012-08-18 02:05:18 PM

LeoffDaGrate: This list is highly misleading and practically worthless.

These prices include taxes, which are often much, much more than what the US pays.

Yes, the UK is currently paying $7.87 a gallon, but considering that at least half of that is taxes that covers NHS and other social programs for the country, it would be interesting to know what prices countries are paying for the ACTUAL gas, minus taxes on a local or nationwide level.


Well part of it is relevant in terms of how much the consumer is spending. How much tax is on it really doesn't matter because it's not like they can get it and avoid the taxes.

Also, the much vaunted European transit doesn't apply in the UK at least. Unless you're wanting to get into and around London.

Otherwise you're pretty much better off driving, or flying (if going to Edinburgh or Dublin)

Train system in Germany though seems pretty reasonable to get around.
 
2012-08-18 02:08:41 PM

Z-clipped: Venezuelans believe that low gas prices are practically part of their human rights. Did you read the bit about how people rioted all over the country last time they tried cutting subsidies?


Knowing about that is the reason I clicked the link in the first place.

The subsidies aren't Chavez's idea.

And that is relevant how?

The reasons are social, not political.

So you believe that sentence makes sense? That says a lot.

I find it hilarious how similar the US and Venezuela are when it comes to consumption (both flatly refuse for the most part to adjust their lifestyles in the face of an obviously destructive and unsustainable energy profile)

Interesting. You are amazed that people act rationally based on the circumstances they find themselves in?

and yet when Chavez starts forcing the wealthy to pay their fair share of the subsidies so that poor people can afford to buy... y'know... food and stuff

The starvation is mainly due to his price controls which cause most stores to just sit empty. And there really aren't any wealthy people left except those who have connections to the state owned oil company.

the self-righteous, self-entitled, corporate whore conservatives in the US want to make him out to be the Antichrist.

Well someone has to, since the people in his country would be disappeared for doing that.

Nobody wants to have their cake and eat it too quite as well as Americans do.

Ah, the irony.
 
2012-08-18 02:10:08 PM

LeoffDaGrate: This list is highly misleading and practically worthless.

These prices include taxes, which are often much, much more than what the US pays.


Taxes don't count?

If something costs $1 and $99 for shipping, how much does it cost?
 
2012-08-18 02:14:53 PM

LeoffDaGrate: This list is highly misleading and practically worthless.

These prices include taxes, which are often much, much more than what the US pays.

Yes, the UK is currently paying $7.87 a gallon, but considering that at least half of that is taxes that covers NHS and other social programs for the country, it would be interesting to know what prices countries are paying for the ACTUAL gas, minus taxes on a local or nationwide level.


I don't understand this argument. How does the fact that taxes and subsidies affect the price at the pump make the list worthless? It's reflecting the actual price people are paying for gas, compared with their average income.

International crude market prices fluctuate constantly. What does it matter if the US pays 1 or 2 cents less per barrel than the UK on a given day or vice versa? Crude oil extraction, refinement, and transport costs what it costs. The only important number regarding international markets is how, since 2005 the price has doubled while total available exports worldwide have slowly but steadily declined.
 
2012-08-18 02:15:41 PM
It's REALLY HARD to compare the price of anything in Country A verse Country B. It really is apples and oranges. I say this as someone who was born in the US but lives and works in the EU.

Currencies are different. We all know that. But the exchange rate doesn't really give you any sort of appreciation for what you can actually buy with a given amount of currency. I make the same now (in Euros) as I did back when the Euro was at it's peak near 1.44 - I think it's down around 1.22 now. But my ability to purchase goods here hasn't really shifted at all. The goods I'm buying are also priced in Euro, and with only a few exceptions (like gas maybe) things pretty much balance themselves out.

Even still, that's the least of your problems. It's taxes and governments. Good luck figuring it all out. It's near impossible to understand the laws and taxes of one country, much less 60 to put together a list. In Ireland, I might pay something like 20% sales tax on a TV I buy - while in the US, in USD I could purchase the same TV and pay 0% sales tax, depending on the state in which I live (assuming I purchase it online). But that 20% I pay in sales tax may or may not be offset by taxes I don't pay in the US. For example, I pay no property tax and no water bill (currently, much of this is all set to change). Likewise, in Ireland, my wife's education in veterinary medicine would have cost her about $2,000 dollars instead of $200,000 dollars.

You've also got to remember that the average salaries for jobs, the income taxes, and the working conditions all vary considerably. I have 8 weeks of vacation and unlimited sick-time; I used to have 3 weeks of 'personal' time in the US. I don't earn as much, but I don't work nearly as hard. A tank of gas *at the same price* would represent a larger burden/larger percentage of my monthly income because I earn less (but also work considerably less on average).

Not to mention all of the government oversight that goes into things. Different countries give consumers different rights or require sellers to meet different legal obligations. This does have a significant impact on the price of things (but arguable benefits the society). If I buy a microwave in the US - getting rid of my old one is my own problem. I can figure it out. In some countries sellers are obligated to accept and properly dispose of, the old microwave. This is true of all electronics (as far as I know). The purchase price of a dishwasher in Ireland includes the disposal fees, where as one in the US does not.

Bottom line is - this article is meaningless fluff.
 
2012-08-18 02:21:57 PM
I'll just leave this here.

Link
 
2012-08-18 02:24:46 PM

Z-clipped: hasty ambush: Aw yes,life style and behavior control to include where you can live and how yo get to and from work. A perfectly legitimate function of government that in no way would be abused and infringe on individual freedoms.

Behavior control... in the form of higher initial taxes on gasoline, coupled with investment in public transit instead of throwing all the money at an interstate highway system. It would have kept more people and companies in the cities and discouraged urban sprawl. Also, the government stepping in to prevent Standard Oil and GM from killing urban light rail would have been nice.

And yes, behavior control via taxation is absolutely a legitimate function of government, especially when it prevents market failure, properly allocates responsibility for externalities, and improves economic conditions for the population.

It's not an issue of Environmentalism. It's basic math. Resources are finite. We want our species to continue. If we don't use our brains, these are going to be incompatible scenarios.


So the lifestyle you get to live is based on our ability to afford the taxes government imposes to obtain it? Hooray for being rich then. The rest of us will just have to be happy with however many square feet of living space government allocates us in our collective apartment block conveniently located near our assigned place of employment People's Tractor Factory #104 and buy what we can get with our ration card.

A legitimate use of taxation is to build roads, provide emergency services, etc not control my lifestyle.

How about a gay /sexual promiscuity tax to control the spread of HIV/AIDs?

How about a fat tax based on points over BMI to control obesity?

Loud music tax to control incidents of hearing loss?
 
2012-08-18 02:30:13 PM
I notice North Korea's not on this list.

BAZING
 
2012-08-18 02:34:31 PM

jmr61: steamingpile: BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.

Ahhhh Fark, becoming infowars for the libs here, in most political threads, the main reason to never click on the politics tab.

Speaking of infowars, a friend of the GFs now believes all their conspiracy nutbags and thinks we are insane for not accepting them. The one going around now is all these gun incidents are Obama's way to get guns banned and that the Aurora shooter was drugged which is why he described as being in a haze the next day, when I told him mental patients have described the same thing in a psychotic episode he just said we are full of shiat. Even after giving him links to papers written on their studies.

I told the GF he's never allowed at the house and she should probably drop all contact for a while to see if we can get lower on the list in case he snaps.


There's no chance you have a girlfriend.


Sorry to disappoint you but eating lunch with her right now, shocker for the rest of you is she thinks I'm too liberal leaning sometimes. And as fox has shown us, rightwing nut job chicks are hot.
 
2012-08-18 02:37:25 PM

steamingpile: jmr61: steamingpile: BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.

Ahhhh Fark, becoming infowars for the libs here, in most political threads, the main reason to never click on the politics tab.

Speaking of infowars, a friend of the GFs now believes all their conspiracy nutbags and thinks we are insane for not accepting them. The one going around now is all these gun incidents are Obama's way to get guns banned and that the Aurora shooter was drugged which is why he described as being in a haze the next day, when I told him mental patients have described the same thing in a psychotic episode he just said we are full of shiat. Even after giving him links to papers written on their studies.

I told the GF he's never allowed at the house and she should probably drop all contact for a while to see if we can get lower on the list in case he snaps.


There's no chance you have a girlfriend.

Sorry to disappoint you but eating lunch with her right now, shocker for the rest of you is she thinks I'm too liberal leaning sometimes. And as fox has shown us, rightwing nut job chicks are hot.


You're posting on FARK while having lunch with your girlfriend? Does she know this?
 
2012-08-18 02:48:24 PM
The Czech Republic - The average daily income is $53. The share of a day's wages needed to buy a gallon of gas is 12 percent.

/doesn't matter since I don't have a car and I drink too much Czech beer anyway
 
2012-08-18 02:57:12 PM
I wonder why the last slide has the table of gas prices and the rankings, but not the percent of daily wages a gallon of gas costs, which is the most interesting part of the slideshow (well, aside from the pics).
 
2012-08-18 02:59:29 PM
And that $53 a day for Czech is quite high. The average salary is hovering around 25000kc a month (€1000 - $1200) before taxes
 
2012-08-18 03:00:04 PM

Lunchlady: steamingpile: jmr61: steamingpile: BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.

Ahhhh Fark, becoming infowars for the libs here, in most political threads, the main reason to never click on the politics tab.

Speaking of infowars, a friend of the GFs now believes all their conspiracy nutbags and thinks we are insane for not accepting them. The one going around now is all these gun incidents are Obama's way to get guns banned and that the Aurora shooter was drugged which is why he described as being in a haze the next day, when I told him mental patients have described the same thing in a psychotic episode he just said we are full of shiat. Even after giving him links to papers written on their studies.

I told the GF he's never allowed at the house and she should probably drop all contact for a while to see if we can get lower on the list in case he snaps.


There's no chance you have a girlfriend.

Sorry to disappoint you but eating lunch with her right now, shocker for the rest of you is she thinks I'm too liberal leaning sometimes. And as fox has shown us, rightwing nut job chicks are hot.

You're posting on FARK while having lunch with your girlfriend? Does she know this?


Yes she laughed when I showed her the post, she wanted to post her cleavage with my name in lipstick on them, I had to stop that.....
 
2012-08-18 03:00:20 PM
But...but...but... America...



//Riding to work everyday on the v65. $10 a week.

///Winter is going to suck when it goes back to $75.
 
2012-08-18 03:00:28 PM
Why is Egypt so cheap?
 
2012-08-18 03:04:53 PM

BMFPitt: The subsidies aren't Chavez's idea.

And that is relevant how?


You brought the subsidies up with regard to Chavez. We're you not intending to imply that they existed as a result of collusion between his administration and the oil companies? Because your post certainly reads that way. Though, upon a second look I must confess that your post is so glib, I may be crediting it with more substance than it deserves.

BMFPitt: The reasons are social, not political.

So you believe that sentence makes sense? That says a lot.


Gosh, you mean to say that politics and societies are related somehow? What a stunning insight, thank you.

It means that the subsidies stem directly from the government's reactions to the social expectations of the people, not from the government manipulating those expectations for its own benefit or the benefit of a few large corporations, (which is more in line with what happens in the US). I'm sorry if that distinction is too subtle for you.

BMFPitt: Interesting. You are amazed that people act rationally based on the circumstances they find themselves in?


You have an interesting definition of "rational". I suppose if you're willing to ignore issue of the ultimately flawed initial social and cultural climate and accept it as a given, you might be able to consider blind greed and unchecked consumption of a finite resource with no thought of the welfare of future generations to be rational. But your head would have to be pretty firmly planted up your... ahem, in the sand to do so.

BMFPitt: Ah, the irony.


It's ironic that you think that my appreciating the irony of the situation is ironic.

Conservatives love to demonize Venezuela but I think they're secretly envious. I think nearly half of Americans would be as happy as pigs in shiat if gas was $.09/gal and food was scarce. Just think of it: your own personal armored assault vehicle to tear up and down the crumbing highways in, and free reign to use your highly modified AR-15 to defend your stockpile of canned corn and Dinty Moore stew from the desperate, starving brown people. Every man a king in his castle. Sounds like the American Dream.
 
2012-08-18 03:05:42 PM

bugmn99: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 500x365]

What are these "gas prices" of which you speak?


LOL...when I was a kid in Kenya, we called that a "Ugandan Credit Card".
 
2012-08-18 03:05:43 PM
I am responsible for making some of you click on 60 slides. And i enjoyed making you suffer.
 
2012-08-18 03:05:49 PM
1. Why are they looking only at the price of premium when most cars in North America require regular and most cars in Europe are diesels ? That being the case, the percent of income needed to fuel the family car is less than what is stated.

2. They may list Canadian prices at 5.56/US gallon, but the gas stations around where I live currently sell premium at 1.52/liter or approx $5.81/US Gal.

Fortunately, my car is a diesel. $1.36/l = $5.20/US Gal.
 
2012-08-18 03:06:28 PM

Enemabag Jones: Yes, but the US has a wider space so people have to drive everywhere. So it should still be cheaper. The same excuse is used for why our internet coverage is relatively weak and expensive.

/Ignoring that you may not need that suv or pickup, but whatever, people will whine about what they can.


Oh shut up, Americans don't drive across the country. They take an airplane ride.
 
2012-08-18 03:15:07 PM

Enemabag Jones: Yes, but the US has a wider space so people have to drive everywhere. So it should still be cheaper. The same excuse is used for why our internet coverage is relatively weak and expensive.

/Ignoring that you may not need that suv or pickup, but whatever, people will whine about what they can.


The same argument is made as to why the US has lousy cellphone coverage, or no trains. To which I always say: look, Norway has about the same population density as the US. So how come they can and you can't?
 
2012-08-18 03:16:07 PM
img528.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-18 03:16:48 PM
Canadian cities are much farther away and spread out from each other than America's and we pay higher gas prices.
 
2012-08-18 03:18:22 PM
See how spread out Canada's major cities are?
members.shaw.ca

Look at a U.S map and they'll be much closer to each other
 
2012-08-18 03:18:32 PM
Please read the comments from that site and guess which one is from me.
Smug bike assholes think everybody on the planet can ride a bike to work, doctors, grocery stores and physical rehabilitation facilities.
People like that make me sick.
 
2012-08-18 03:19:36 PM
FTFA: #4 Israel... Gasoline prices are controlled by the government, and taxes typically make up about half the cost of a gallon.

I am shocked -- SHOCKED! -- to find that zOMG SOOOOOOCIALISM! is going on in Israel!
 
2012-08-18 03:20:55 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Please read the comments from that site and guess which one is from me.
Smug bike assholes think everybody on the planet can ride a bike to work, doctors, grocery stores and physical rehabilitation facilities.
People like that make me sick.


Yeah, everyone can't do everything conceivable, therefore nobody should do anything at all.
 
2012-08-18 03:27:18 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: jehovahs witness protection: Please read the comments from that site and guess which one is from me.
Smug bike assholes think everybody on the planet can ride a bike to work, doctors, grocery stores and physical rehabilitation facilities.
People like that make me sick.

Yeah, everyone can't do everything conceivable, therefore nobody should do anything at all.


Not saying that riding a bike when possible is a bad thing, but for someone decides to post a rant saying EVERYONE should do that, it really pisses me off.
I'm in the process of getting a power chair now because I can no longer walk.
But you are right...I am evil scum for having serious health problems.
Also, people like you meke me feel 100% better about myself. Not being able to be a productive member of society is the best feeling I ever experienced.

/sarcasm off
 
2012-08-18 03:29:20 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Please read the comments from that site and guess which one is from me.
Smug bike assholes think everybody on the planet can ride a bike to work, doctors, grocery stores and physical rehabilitation facilities.
People like that make me sick.


But what if it's one of those old-timey bikes with the massive front wheel and the tiny rear wheel? At least riding to all those places would be a blast.
 
2012-08-18 03:30:28 PM
Sorry, I got a little too upset and missed several typos.
That is not usually something I do, but having to take Dilaudid five times a day may be to blame.
 
2012-08-18 03:33:01 PM
TFA does list gas prices relative to average daily income... and the country of India? You have to work 1.4 *days*, on average, to pay for 1 gallon of gasoline there. And gasoline is around 5 dollars a gallon there. And people wonder why companies love outsourcing jobs to India...
 
2012-08-18 03:34:25 PM

miss diminutive: jehovahs witness protection: Please read the comments from that site and guess which one is from me.
Smug bike assholes think everybody on the planet can ride a bike to work, doctors, grocery stores and physical rehabilitation facilities.
People like that make me sick.

But what if it's one of those old-timey bikes with the massive front wheel and the tiny rear wheel? At least riding to all those places would be a blast.


LOL
If it were physically possible, I would love to do that...just for the experience.
Now I get to learn how to drive my chair on to the ramp lift and work my way back up to the drivers door.
Yes, I'm still able to drive, but I have to stop every 30 minutes to move around and stretch.
 
2012-08-18 03:38:18 PM

hasty ambush: So the lifestyle you get to live is based on our ability to afford the taxes government imposes to obtain it? Hooray for being rich then. The rest of us will just have to be happy with however many square feet of living space government allocates us in our collective apartment block conveniently located near our assigned place of employment People's Tractor Factory #104 and buy what we can get with our ration card.


Are you trying to troll me with this nonsense, or are you just an idiot who doesn't understand how taxation is used to provide incentives and disincentives for individuals and corporations to affect desirable and undesirable behavior?

hasty ambush: A legitimate use of taxation is to build roads, provide emergency services, etc not control my lifestyle.


Oh, so it's the second one I guess. Listen, when the government decides whether to use your tax dollars to build highways instead of trains or vice versa, it is controlling your lifestyle. The fact that you drive a car to work instead of taking a train, or that you live in a housing development in the 'burbs instead of an apartment building in a city center was "controlled" by someone decades ago when they let one group of companies drive another out of business for their own profit, instead of stepping in to steer the energy economy in a better direction.

And (theoretically) when your lifestyle conflicts with what's in the best interests of the rest of the people in the country, taxing certain behaviors allows the rest of us to recoup the negative impact of those behaviors. This is not a new or nefarious concept. We all have a short list of things we're comfortable being taxed to pay for. But guess what- you're not the only person in the universe and your specific list isn't any more important than mine, or anyone else's. Promoting the general welfare takes precedence over your individual welfare, or it at least it would if our system wasn't so farked in favor of redistributing wealth to the already wealthy.
 
2012-08-18 03:38:25 PM
Dear submitter, next time you feel like submitting a 63 slideshow article, don't.
 
2012-08-18 03:40:44 PM

Jayone: The price per country is totally not comparable since some countries heavily subsidize it, some heavily tax it, others produce most of there own oil. To compare price per gallon is MEANINGLESS.


This!
 
2012-08-18 03:41:02 PM

Daeva: Dear submitter, next time you feel like submitting a 63 slideshow article, don't.


That just makes me want to submit a 126 slideshow article
 
2012-08-18 03:41:44 PM
ontariolightning
I am responsible for making some of you click on 60 slides. And i enjoyed making you suffer.


Yeah? Then do some useful work for a change and fix the broken HTML at the end of (the JSON for) the caption of the last slide.
It looks like ass with that unclosed attribute quote and the missing link text.
 
2012-08-18 03:42:31 PM

steamingpile:

Sorry to disappoint you but eating lunch with her right now, shocker for the rest of you is she thinks I'm too liberal leaning sometimes. And as fox has shown us, rightwing nut job chicks are hot.


So you're posting in a FARK thread while on a lunch date with your girlfriend? Who says chivalry is dead?
 
2012-08-18 03:42:44 PM

GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.


Changes in global economies, how do they work?
 
2012-08-18 03:44:32 PM

miss diminutive: But what if it's one of those old-timey bikes with the massive front wheel and the tiny rear wheel? At least riding to all those places would be a blast.


Hey, you know the first person to ride a bicycle across North America did so on one of those giant front wheel fixies, right?

/he was probably a hipster...
 
2012-08-18 03:44:36 PM

BBRModitha: According to republicans the US pays 600 times more than anyone else because the president is a black democrat.

Have fun with that one y'all.


Race card all the time with Dimocrats.

Feel better BBRModitha?
 
2012-08-18 03:47:14 PM

bugmn99: www.hostingbytes.us

What are these "gas prices" of which you speak?

 
2012-08-18 03:47:27 PM

ontariolightning: Daeva: Dear submitter, next time you feel like submitting a 63 slideshow article, don't.

That just makes me want to submit a 126 slideshow article


and welcome to ignore for both replying like a conceited fark and openly admitting your an asshole.
 
2012-08-18 03:49:45 PM

Daeva: ontariolightning: Daeva: Dear submitter, next time you feel like submitting a 63 slideshow article, don't.

That just makes me want to submit a 126 slideshow article

and welcome to ignore for both replying like a conceited fark and openly admitting your an asshole.


Like Ecuador, I will not be intimidated or told what to do
 
2012-08-18 03:55:32 PM
hes on ignore but 10 bucks says he is so full of himself that he still replied directly to me already.
 
2012-08-18 03:57:14 PM

steamingpile: filter: steamingpile: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thank you, its too early for slideshows.

All those average daily wages in eastern European nations kind of scare me.

They should. They are coming to America.

That's not what scares me but then someone has to spin this, you should be more worried about a war there than those wages coming here.


A war in eastern Europe? Do have any particular scenario in mind?
 
2012-08-18 04:00:53 PM

Caeldan: I don't get the kvetching about the slideshow in this case?
It doesn't cause a full page reload (those slideshows can rot in hell), and the slide takes up the bulk of the 'above the fold' section of the page...

It's actually more efficient to view it this way than it would as a single page.

My only improvement would be an intro table with links for an easy jump to a specific country.


That was my thought as well. It loads instantly. All you have to do is keep your pointer in the same position and just click after you've read the relevant info and a pic. I get the full-page slideshow hate (oh believe me, I do) but you people are too b*tchy for your own good.
 
2012-08-18 04:05:29 PM

miss diminutive: [www.bloomberg.com image 640x425]

Gas prices don't bother me as much as the article using a damn moose for our picture. Almost every other country got a stunning picture of a skyline, people or landscape...but us? Canada in a nutshell: a farking moose.

/white Canadian people problems


my thoughts exactly. although it is a nice picture of a moose.
 
2012-08-18 04:13:01 PM
So now Fark thinks high gas prices are a good thing instead of droning on about EBIL SPEKULATURS and MUH OIL COMPANY PROFITS?
 
2012-08-18 04:20:55 PM

Z-clipped: You brought the subsidies up with regard to Chavez.


Kind of a stretch since I referenced the country in general, but OK. Still not seeing where it matters if he originated them.

We're you not intending to imply that they existed as a result of collusion between his administration and the oil companies?

Huh? The whole oil industry there is owned by the state. How do you collude with yourself?

Also, that was one of the most cringe-inducing uses of an apostrophe I've ever seen.

Because your post certainly reads that way. Though, upon a second look I must confess that your post is so glib, I may be crediting it with more substance than it deserves.

On some topics, substance isn't worth the effort. Sure you can spend an hour debunking a creationist, but it's easier to make fun of them since they aren't going to absorb any information, anyway.

Gosh, you mean to say that politics and societies are related somehow? What a stunning insight, thank you.

You're the one who seemed to deny that and caused me to point and laugh.

It means that the subsidies stem directly from the government's reactions to the social expectations of the people, not from the government manipulating those expectations for its own benefit or the benefit of a few large corporations, (which is more in line with what happens in the US). I'm sorry if that distinction is too subtle for you.

That's hilarious.

You have an interesting definition of "rational". I suppose if you're willing to ignore issue of the ultimately flawed initial social and cultural climate and accept it as a given, you might be able to consider blind greed and unchecked consumption of a finite resource with no thought of the welfare of future generations to be rational. But your head would have to be pretty firmly planted up your... ahem, in the sand to do so.

Yes, that's the rational way to handle such circumstances.

Conservatives love to demonize Venezuela but I think they're secretly envious.

I think such things are best represented in population movement. How many Americans are immigrating there, and how many of them are (or are at least trying) to come here?

I think nearly half of Americans would be as happy as pigs in shiat if gas was $.09/gal and food was scarce.

Don't give them any more ideas.

Just think of it: your own personal armored assault vehicle to tear up and down the crumbing highways in, and free reign to use your highly modified AR-15 to defend your stockpile of canned corn and Dinty Moore stew from the desperate, starving brown people. Every man a king in his castle. Sounds like the American Dream.

I'm sure if you had your way, we'd get there sooner or later.
 
2012-08-18 04:22:09 PM

GAT_00: Attention to gas prices has dramatically waned as a presidential campaign theme after the price of gasoline declined for 14 straight weeks after peaking in April.

What bullshiat is this? I paid $2.80 a month ago for gas. It's $3.44 now.


two weeks ago a can of Refried Beans was 85 cents. today it's $ 1.45. now that's expensive gas.
 
2012-08-18 04:25:30 PM
Creeping up to 4 bucks a gallon in Illinois. I hear people biatching, but look at these other countries...man...
 
2012-08-18 04:33:06 PM
Coming on a Bicycle
Enemabag Jones: Yes, but the US has a wider space so people have to drive everywhere. So it should still be cheaper. The same excuse is used for why our internet coverage is relatively weak and expensive.
/Ignoring that you may not need that suv or pickup, but whatever, people will whine about what they can.
The same argument is made as to why the US has lousy cellphone coverage, or no trains. To which I always say: look, Norway has about the same population density as the US. So how come they can and you can't?


Because corporate culture in Norway may worry more then just about the next quarter and the shareholders.

It is this sort of thinking in 20 to 40 years will make the US a second world nation.
 
2012-08-18 04:34:05 PM
Meh. Whatever about the gas prices.

Those photos, however... wow.
 
2012-08-18 04:36:19 PM

M0nkeyp0x: FTFA: Americans have little to complain about. They pay less than half the European price for gasoline and $1.15 per gallon below the world average.

Yeah, but we also have a shiatty public transit system in most parts of our country. Europe, not so much.


Public transit makes very little sense in many places. The Omaha metro area, for example, is two counties with approximately 1 million people. The counties do not have enought of a tax base to make it viable in one county and a lack of demand in another county. Public transit is only in one of the counties and the all lines do not run all day like thy do in places that have good public transit.

One cannot have a good job and a home in a good neighborhood with out a car here. Seriously, "Do you have independent transportation and a valid driver's license?" is on most premployment questionnaires.
 
2012-08-18 04:43:27 PM
The argument for rising gas prices as a way to dissuade Americans to drive less, get smaller cars or living in urban centers is akin to mass shootings dissuading Americans to buy less guns or stricter gun control.

It may sound logical but in reality almost always have the opposite effect.
 
2012-08-18 04:48:12 PM
how much is because of taxes and how low is it because of subsidies?
 
2012-08-18 04:54:11 PM

Z-clipped: And (theoretically) when your lifestyle conflicts with what's in the best interests of the rest of the people in the country, taxing certain behaviors allows the rest of us to recoup the negative impact of those behaviors. T


You mean like recouping the cost of treating HIV/AIDs or obesity related illnesses. You know stuff that is largely self inflicted through irresponsible behavior (granted there are a few exceptions)
 
2012-08-18 05:02:11 PM

Rip Dashrock: Eat More Possum: Our gas is about 15 lei a liter. That's 5$ a gallon in American

Five years ago, I would have thought $5 gallon gas was insane. Best deal in Los Angeles right now is about $4.05 a gallon at Arco's and other discount gas. Ironic that I am reading about it being a banner year for U.S. oil exports. 
Probably due to the fact that no new refineries are being built.


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The US is not a net exporter of oil, the US is a net exporter of refined petroleum products....big diff there.

Depending on who you believe, the US has too much refinery capacity because of the collapse of domestic gasoline demand, or the US doesn't have enough refinery capacity because the government will not allow any new refineries to be built.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest the near virtual blockade of Iran by the USA is causing a severe worldwide oil shortage.
 
2012-08-18 05:04:34 PM

M0nkeyp0x: FTFA: Americans have little to complain about. They pay less than half the European price for gasoline and $1.15 per gallon below the world average.

Yeah, but we also have a shiatty nonexistent public transit system in most parts of our country. Europe, not so much.


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FIFY
 
2012-08-18 05:09:41 PM

miss diminutive: [www.bloomberg.com image 640x425]

Gas prices don't bother me as much as the article using a damn moose for our picture. Almost every other country got a stunning picture of a skyline, people or landscape...but us? Canada in a nutshell: a farking moose.

/white Canadian people problems


==============

Perhaps you would prefer a picture of a drunk doofus in a toque? Picture of a drunken hockey player? Picture of a drunken Eskimo......er, I mean First Nations type person? Picture of a drunken polar bear? Picture of a drunken......
 
2012-08-18 05:11:55 PM

Paris1127: I arrived in Australia a few weeks ago, and you can imagine my confusion when I saw the prices at gas stations like this one:
[farm4.static.flickr.com image 273x500]
At first glance, it appears that regular unleaded costs A$160.90 per liter... After inquiries, I was assured by my host that the sign actually says 160.9 cents... A$1.60 for a liter... Why not just say that? 

/might be funny to try this in the US, to see people's reactions
//"Dammit, Fartb0ng0 got his Ayrab friends to jack gas prices up to $160 a... a litre? WTF is a litre?"


Honestly I can't figure out of this is some sort of troll or not. You really had issues figuring out that sign? You thought that in AUS it might cost thousands of dollars to fill up a tank? Common sense.....please.
 
2012-08-18 05:12:42 PM
I call shenanigans on this headline. I was expecting to see some sort of chart, or ANYTHING really, that would support what the headline promised.

//Shame on you, subby. Smoke a turd.
//Just don't drive to far to get one without reading this article.
 
2012-08-18 05:16:18 PM

Daeva: ontariolightning: Daeva: Dear submitter, next time you feel like submitting a 63 slideshow article, don't.

That just makes me want to submit a 126 slideshow article

and welcome to ignore for both replying like a conceited fark and openly admitting your an asshole.


How are you so sure he's the submitter and not... you know, "joking"?

Daeva: hes on ignore but 10 bucks says he is so full of himself that he still replied directly to me already.


Your lies are as transparent as your grammar is poor.
 
2012-08-18 05:26:18 PM

steamingpile: filter: steamingpile: Krymson Tyde: Deslidified for his and her pleasure

Thank you, its too early for slideshows.

All those average daily wages in eastern European nations kind of scare me.

They should. They are coming to America.

That's not what scares me but then someone has to spin this, you should be more worried about a war there than those wages coming here.

Simple minded people always worried about the wrong issue.


============

Wages are low, but so are rents. People don't pay $10K property tax bills, and don't go bankrupt if they need to see a doctor. No, they don't have Escalades, or a dozen wireless devices, or guns for every member of the family like we have in good ol' 'Murica, so I guess they really are losers.
 
2012-08-18 05:27:03 PM

miss diminutive: [www.bloomberg.com image 640x425]

Gas prices don't bother me as much as the article using a damn moose for our picture. Almost every other country got a stunning picture of a skyline, people or landscape...but us? Canada in a nutshell: a farking moose.

/white Canadian people problems


I had the same thought.
You Canajuns really do get some goofy stereotypes.
But if it makes you feel any better, had they used the same logic for all the other countries, it would have been a fat guy inhaling a cheeseburger picture for us yanks.
 
2012-08-18 05:29:33 PM
Isn't Venezuela big on bio-fuels from sugar cane, too? Or is that Brazil?
 
2012-08-18 05:32:41 PM

danmarce: Ecuador...

$2 per gallon for the most expensive Gas...

But.... what definition of gallon are they using?


IIRC, when you see "mpg" figures for UK vehicles (an unusual measure), that's actually in Imperial gallons, not US. Imperial gallon is 20% larger, so the mpg metric will be 20% higher for the same vehicle.

Pretty sneaky problem when Googling for mpg.
 
2012-08-18 05:55:11 PM

miss diminutive: jehovahs witness protection: Please read the comments from that site and guess which one is from me.
Smug bike assholes think everybody on the planet can ride a bike to work, doctors, grocery stores and physical rehabilitation facilities.
People like that make me sick.

But what if it's one of those old-timey bikes with the massive front wheel and the tiny rear wheel? At least riding to all those places would be a blast.


================

Penny Farthings.
 
2012-08-18 06:11:35 PM

SafetyThird: Central Coast of California, pipelines all over the place and still the highest gas prices. $4.21 per gallon yesterday.


Thank the people in Sac-Town for that...

/the bay area and back down
//Cali's where they put their Mack down
///show me love
 
2012-08-18 07:22:13 PM

Gulper Eel: /wtf is going on in that slovakia cave picture?



Seconded - anyone know what that is?
 
2012-08-18 07:37:32 PM
In Florida gas was 2.90 a few weeks ago. Now it's 3.47. Went to Chicago where it's 4.25, 4.04 if you look. I still remember in Saudi Arabia it was .45 cents for regular and .55 for premium . I told the driver that gas in the US was about 10 riyals a liter, and he laughed so hard he almost fell. He told me if gas was that much there no one would drive and everyone would riot. Then he said why are Americans so dumb to pay that much. I told him we are just too passive. Also gas would have to be like 6 dollars for people to start caring at this rate.
 
2012-08-18 08:00:29 PM

Lt Los3r: In Florida gas was 2.90 a few weeks ago. Now it's 3.47. Went to Chicago where it's 4.25, 4.04 if you look. I still remember in Saudi Arabia it was .45 cents for regular and .55 for premium . I told the driver that gas in the US was about 10 riyals a liter, and he laughed so hard he almost fell. He told me if gas was that much there no one would drive and everyone would riot. Then he said why are Americans so dumb to pay that much. I told him we are just too passive. Also gas would have to be like 6 dollars for people to start caring at this rate.


Places where people pay market rates for gas, the price is somewhere around $3/gallon. Places where the price is higher, have high gas taxes in order to suppress demand and improve their trade balance. Venezuela and Saudi Arabia are subsidizing gas prices.
 
2012-08-18 08:42:57 PM
I'm in South Korea and gas prices are ridiculous here. Myths fully insurance and public transportation is really cheap because my car usually sits in the basement unless I'm going to Costco or visiting the in-laws. It's always a treat to go back to the States because I feel like I can drive just about anywhere and filling up the car is only a small inconvenience.
 
2012-08-18 09:20:46 PM

hasty ambush: farkityfarker: smimmy: $0.09....Venezuela..................#60

Ah, now I see why the US corporate complex hates Chavez so much.

All that profit he's denying them by not letting them get their hands on that oil and sell it at a huge profit.

No lot of countries , even oil rich ones subsidize gasoline to hold the retail cost down.


Venezuela loses $1.5 bln a year in gasoline subsidy

"Rather than raise prices, the government is trying to reduce internal fuel consumption.

"We have to start to reduce gasoline use. Venezuelan gasoline is the cheapest in the world," Chavez said. "The government subsidizes 90 percent of that fuel's real cost.""



Subsidize the cost of fuel, and they expect demand to go down?!

Freshman-level Economics must have been a bit too much for young Hugo.
 
2012-08-18 09:33:35 PM

Z-clipped: Behavior control... in the form of higher initial taxes on gasoline, coupled with investment in public transit instead of throwing all the money at an interstate highway system. It would have kept more people and companies in the cities and discouraged urban sprawl. Also, the government stepping in to prevent Standard Oil and GM from killing urban light rail would have been nice.


God bless them both for sparing me this fate:

3.bp.blogspot.com

totallytop10.com
 
2012-08-18 10:05:24 PM
BigNumber12
Subsidize the cost of fuel, and they expect demand to go down?


Why not? It's not like he claims that higher subsidies will result in lower demand.
People aren't buying and burning that stuff just for fun and price isn't the only thing that influences consumption.
For example, maybe they burn oil to generate electricity: if they replace an oil-powered power plant with one that uses a different source of energy, they have decreased consumption while keeping the price for oil low. 

Heck, aren't people biatching about high gas prices because they pretty much have to drive anyway and will rather cut other things to still be able to drive to work?
Higher prices might make people buy a more fuel-efficient car the next time and reduce consumption that way, but you can get the same result with a tax on inefficient cars or by simply outlawing them.
 
2012-08-18 10:29:19 PM

StoneColdAtheist: bugmn99: [cache.gawkerassets.com image 500x365]

What are these "gas prices" of which you speak?

LOL...when I was a kid in Kenya, we called that a "Ugandan Credit Card".



Barack? Is that you?
 
2012-08-18 11:05:40 PM
I just came here to read about Venezuela.

It's funny that its mentioned there, yes, we have really cheap gas, its been that way for over 3 decades. It's not a Hugo Chavez thing. Keep in mind, that if gas prices in venezuela would go up there would be riots, last government who tried that in 89' got massive rioting and looting.

And is not because of the "wealthy", rich venezuelans can afford the price hike; if the price where to go up Mass Transit (Based on privately owned buses, not government) would raise prices by A LOT. Food prices would go up as well.

I'm not defending the measure of subsidy, however venezuela DO has the biggest oil reserves in the world, so yes, venezuelans think its a human right down there.

/Venezuelan
//Used to live there for 28 years
///Moved to the us 8 months ago
 
2012-08-18 11:48:25 PM

BMFPitt: Huh? The whole oil industry there is owned by the state. How do you collude with yourself?


So, increased consumption by Venezuelans increases profit for state-owned oil companies, resulting in less available export for US companies to buy. Oh look, you just contradicted your original rebuttal of farkityfarker's point. Welcome back to where we started.

BMFPitt: Also, that was one of the most cringe-inducing uses of an apostrophe I've ever seen.


Wow, your right. Thank's for pointing out my mi'stake.

BMFPitt: On some topics, substance isn't worth the effort. Sure you can spend an hour debunking a creationist, but it's easier to make fun of them since they aren't going to absorb any information, anyway.


It's also great for maintaining your sense of superiority when you can't actually rebut an argument...

BMFPitt: It means that the subsidies stem directly from the government's reactions to the social expectations of the people, not from the government manipulating those expectations for its own benefit or the benefit of a few large corporations, (which is more in line with what happens in the US). I'm sorry if that distinction is too subtle for you.

That's hilarious.


...Yup.

BMFPitt: I think such things are best represented in population movement.


That's idiotic and hilariously oversimplified.

How many Americans are immigrating there, and how many of them are (or are at least trying) to come here?

I recently moved to the Philippines from the US. So I guess that means that I was envious of the economic situation of the average Filipino? Or perhaps population movement is more complex than you're implying, and is actually a terrible metric for determining people's political views?

BMFPitt: Don't give them any more ideas.


Given their choice of presidential candidates this election cycle (and the entire Republican economic platform for most of my lifetime), I think it's clear that they have the idea firmly in mind already.

BMFPitt: Just think of it: your own personal armored assault vehicle to tear up and down the crumbing highways in, and free reign to use your highly modified AR-15 to defend your stockpile of canned corn and Dinty Moore stew from the desperate, starving brown people. Every man a king in his castle. Sounds like the American Dream.

I'm sure if you had your way, we'd get there sooner or later.


Right, because advocating that living in cities and walking to work is a more sustainable way to live is exactly in line with that idea. Implying that beginning to ween people off a philosophy of rampant consumption and greed and away from urban sprawl by incentivizing reduced energy use with higher gas taxes will obviously lead to plummeting prices at the pump, food scarcity, and no money for infrastructure or public services. Just like it did in the EU, Sweden, and Australia.

You've become boring. Lazy and smug with nothing of substance to say is no way to go through life, son.
 
2012-08-19 12:06:22 AM

BigNumber12: StoneColdAtheist: LOL...when I was a kid in Kenya, we called that a "Ugandan Credit Card".

Barack? Is that you?


LOL, we did live for a while about 20 km from his father's home village. It was too hot down on the shores of Lake Victoria, though, so we moved north up into the highlands where it was cooler.

I never did learn to speak Dholuo (think tonal language like Mandarin Chinese), but when we moved north I learned Luhya straight away. Bantu languages are about as hard for English speakers to learn as Spanish is. There are no cognates, but the grammar and structure are very straight forward, and there are no sounds in Bantu languages that we don't have in English.
 
2012-08-19 12:30:32 AM

hasty ambush: God bless them both for sparing me this fate:


LOL. You couldn't miss the point any harder if you tried. Enjoy driving 50 miles to and from work alone in your car each day. I'm sure it will never become too expensive for you to do that.

hasty ambush: You mean like recouping the cost of treating HIV/AIDs


Wait, are you suggesting that HIV is a "gay disease"? Seriously? I didn't realize it was still 1984 in Trollville, USA.

And in answer to your rather stupid example, the government already funds programs to make condoms cheap or free for anyone who wants them, because they are the most effective way we have to prevent people from getting HIV. So yes, that a perfect example of incentivizing a socially beneficial behavior using tax dollars..

I'll bet it just burns you up that you pay taxes so that poor people can have sex with each other without becoming fatally ill, right? I mean, it couldn't possibly benefit you personally to ensure that fewer of your potential partners are HIV positive. We also teach sex education in schools now. Your taxes pay for that too. What a farking outrage!

hasty ambush: obesity related illnesses.


Well, I can pretty much guarantee that as fuel prices go up relative to income, the number of fat people will go down.
 
2012-08-19 12:36:38 AM

UGOTPZD: Paris1127: I arrived in Australia a few weeks ago, and you can imagine my confusion when I saw the prices at gas stations like this one:
[farm4.static.flickr.com image 273x500]
At first glance, it appears that regular unleaded costs A$160.90 per liter... After inquiries, I was assured by my host that the sign actually says 160.9 cents... A$1.60 for a liter... Why not just say that? 

/might be funny to try this in the US, to see people's reactions
//"Dammit, Fartb0ng0 got his Ayrab friends to jack gas prices up to $160 a... a litre? WTF is a litre?"

Honestly I can't figure out of this is some sort of troll or not. You really had issues figuring out that sign? You thought that in AUS it might cost thousands of dollars to fill up a tank? Common sense.....please.


Notice the part about "first glance." I had my suspicions that it was in cents, but I decided to confirm. I've never seen a sign like that before.
 
2012-08-19 12:45:00 AM

Z-clipped: So, increased consumption by Venezuelans increases profit for state-owned oil companies, resulting in less available export for US companies to buy. Oh look, you just contradicted your original rebuttal of farkityfarker's point. Welcome back to where we started.


Oh look, you didn't understand what I said because math hurts your brain. Increased consumption by Venezuelans reduces profit for their state-owned oil company because they lose money on every gallon of gas sold to Venezuelans. But the point I was making to farkityfarker is that the higher domestic demand causes the state run company to have less exports, thus making the "evil" oil companies not run by Venezuela more profitable.

It's also great for maintaining your sense of superiority when you can't actually rebut an argument...

Maybe for you, but I only use it in the circumstances described above.

That's idiotic and hilariously oversimplified.

I would consider it the gold standard of comparing countries. So you're suggesting a better metric, then? Does it involve just making stuff up?

Given their choice of presidential candidates this election cycle (and the entire Republican economic platform for most of my lifetime), I think it's clear that they have the idea firmly in mind already.

It's funny because you think Republicans and Democrats are different.

Right, because advocating that living in cities and walking to work is a more sustainable way to live is exactly in line with that idea. Implying that beginning to ween people off a philosophy of rampant consumption and greed and away from urban sprawl by incentivizing reduced energy use with higher gas taxes will obviously lead to plummeting prices at the pump, food scarcity, and no money for infrastructure or public services. Just like it did in the EU, Sweden, and Australia.

If by some odd chance you actually think that's what I said, you're beyond help.
 
2012-08-19 12:52:28 AM

Paris1127: Notice the part about "first glance." I had my suspicions that it was in cents, but I decided to confirm. I've never seen a sign like that before.


That's odd. They use the same format for gas prices in the US:

image.shutterstock.com
 
2012-08-19 12:54:51 AM

miss diminutive: [www.bloomberg.com image 640x425]

Gas prices don't bother me as much as the article using a damn moose for our picture. Almost every other country got a stunning picture of a skyline, people or landscape...but us? Canada in a nutshell: a farking moose.

/white Canadian people problems


møøse bites Kan be pretty nasti...
 
2012-08-19 01:37:13 AM

BMFPitt: It's funny because you think Republicans and Democrats are different.


First of all, I never said anything like this, but please, do go on telling me what else I think. It's much more entertaining than attempting to parse whatever your point is.

Second, I think that liberals and conservatives are very different, and that conservatives are attempting to maintain a status quo regarding the subject at hand that is unsustainable, and that the Republican party which represents most of those conservatives has gone to abhorrent lengths to convince their constituency to reject any evidence of such.

Third, I have no illusions that Democrats are liberal. Their social agenda could be described as moderate to progressive, but they are solidly economically conservative, and are just as big a bunch of corporate whores as their opponents They are, however, very different from Republicans in their approach to their goals, and to suggest that "both sides are bad", therefore they are equally bad, therefore they are the same, is such a tired cliche that I'm not even going to address it.

BMFPitt: I would consider it the gold standard of comparing countries.


LOL, ok. For comparing exactly what about countries? Everything? (Not that this digression is even remotely applicable to the point I was making about the irony of conservative Americans seeing Venezuela as some kind of demonic philosophical antithesis to their own lifestyle, but I think it's such a stupid, jingoistic generalization that it would be entertaining to watch your contortions as you try to defend it.) What exactly do you think is the main reason for people immigrating to the US? Where do you think most immigrants to the US come from? How many of them do you think are poor people from Venezuela (or Venezuelan at all, for that matter)?

BMFPitt: If by some odd chance you actually think that's what I said, you're beyond help.


Right. Of course. How could I ever have gotten that impression?...

BMFPitt: Just think of it: your own personal armored assault vehicle to tear up and down the crumbing highways in, and free reign to use your highly modified AR-15 to defend your stockpile of canned corn and Dinty Moore stew from the desperate, starving brown people. Every man a king in his castle. Sounds like the American Dream.

I'm sure if you had your way, we'd get there sooner or later.


Is someone else posting under your handle?
 
2012-08-19 02:42:12 AM

Z-clipped: Paris1127: Notice the part about "first glance." I had my suspicions that it was in cents, but I decided to confirm. I've never seen a sign like that before.

That's odd. They use the same format for gas prices in the US:

[image.shutterstock.com image 450x295]


I feel like all the gas station signs I've seen in the States have decimals... Or maybe my brain sees decimal points which are not there... I don't know anymore. I won't be able to confirm this until I return to the US in a few months...
 
2012-08-19 03:50:26 AM

Paris1127: I feel like all the gas station signs I've seen in the States have decimals... Or maybe my brain sees decimal points which are not there... I don't know anymore. I won't be able to confirm this until I return to the US in a few months...


There are a bunch of different conventions, and they get mixed around a lot.

Anyway, I'm living abroad right now too, so I understand what you're going through. Having to convert both units and currencies at a glance for a single transaction can cause some really weird double takes. In the Philippines they use both US and metric measurements for everything except temperature, with no real rhyme or reason at all.

Also, they use every "standard" size of paper imaginable, so I'll get A4 legal sized stuff from my bank, but my lease is printed on 8.5 x 14. My tests for some classes have to be taken on long bond, while my Physics lab reports have to be turned in on short bond (which is the same as letter, but not A4 letter), and my papers for my Comp class have to be handwritten on a US legal pad, but the printer at the library prints out A4 legal. For my student visa, I had to provide photos in two different sizes to two different offices, one in cm and one in inches.
 
2012-08-19 09:49:46 AM

Rocket To Russia: MC Magic Cracker: I click on the link, there's no goddamn list. It's a motherfarking slide show.

Ermahgerd! You'd have to push a button over 60 times! Nobody should have to suffer that much.


Good point -- #firstworldproblems and all, yeah. But the complaint really comes down to the fact that slideshows rarely justify themselves, and in cases like this are particularly vexatious.

A slideshow is justified by one of two things: too much data to fit comfortably even on a scrolling screen, or revolving data that you want to keep embedded within a gloss, without having to duplicate the gloss over and over. (Even though that would technically happen anyway during a slideshow refresh, the viewer should -- in theory, at least -- see it as a non-moving gloss. This is actually the best use of a slideshow, but I've seen it only very rarely, and rarely done when it is, as the gloss usually moves with the refreshed window frame, meaning the viewer has to manually reset it each slide -- which becomes very annoying very quickly.

In this particular case, the slideshow is a bad choice because what the viewer is most interested in is *comparative* data between discrete data sets: how much more or less are different countries paying, compared to each other. That gets harder when the data isn't on the same page.

As for #firstworldproblems, I agree completely that FirstWorlders are whiny when they complain for no reason -- and that they often do. But I feel it's legitimate to complain about petty annoyances if they keep recurring for no apparently good reason. I think we'll disagree about what's a valid complaint and what's just precious -- for example, I really don't give a crap which way people hold their phones to take video, as long as I can see what's going on -- but I'm not going to suggest that nothing short of your leg being bitten off by a tiger is valid to complain about.
 
2012-08-19 12:43:18 PM

StoneColdAtheist: BigNumber12: StoneColdAtheist: LOL...when I was a kid in Kenya, we called that a "Ugandan Credit Card".

Barack? Is that you?

LOL, we did live for a while about 20 km from his father's home village. It was too hot down on the shores of Lake Victoria, though, so we moved north up into the highlands where it was cooler.

I never did learn to speak Dholuo (think tonal language like Mandarin Chinese), but when we moved north I learned Luhya straight away. Bantu languages are about as hard for English speakers to learn as Spanish is. There are no cognates, but the grammar and structure are very straight forward, and there are no sounds in Bantu languages that we don't have in English.



Wild - what an experience to have had.
 
2012-08-19 01:19:02 PM

Daeva: ontariolightning: Daeva: Dear submitter, next time you feel like submitting a 63 slideshow article, don't.

That just makes me want to submit a 126 slideshow article

and welcome to ignore for both replying like a conceited fark and openly admitting your an asshole.


you're

As in, "You're an idiot."

Add me to your ignore list too. Thanks.
 
2012-08-19 08:51:51 PM

Z-clipped: hasty ambush: God bless them both for sparing me this fate:

LOL. You couldn't miss the point any harder if you tried. Enjoy driving 50 miles to and from work alone in your car each day. I'm sure it will never become too expensive for you to do that.

hasty ambush: You mean like recouping the cost of treating HIV/AIDs

Wait, are you suggesting that HIV is a "gay disease"? Seriously? I didn't realize it was still 1984 in Trollville, USA.

And in answer to your rather stupid example, the government already funds programs to make condoms cheap or free for anyone who wants them, because they are the most effective way we have to prevent people from getting HIV. So yes, that a perfect example of incentivizing a socially beneficial behavior using tax dollars..

I'll bet it just burns you up that you pay taxes so that poor people can have sex with each other without becoming fatally ill, right? I mean, it couldn't possibly benefit you personally to ensure that fewer of your potential partners are HIV positive. We also teach sex education in schools now. Your taxes pay for that too. What a farking outrage!


Well if go vernment funded condoms and education were the answer we would not need to be spending money trying to cure AIDS would we? Thrity percent of MEDICAID funding would not be going toward AIDS treatments.

It is amazing how common sense makes having sex a non-life threatening experience.

hasty ambush: obesity related illnesses.

Well, I can pretty much guarantee that as fuel prices go up relative to income, the number of fat people will go down.


No sign of that so far
 
2012-08-19 10:22:46 PM

Old Smokie: Here in Amerika we have cheap gas and have banned big engines. Go figure.


Who told big engines had been banned? The Dodge Viper has an 8.4 liter V10 engine. That's 509 cubic inches. Engines in US cars are bigger than they have been since the 1920s and more powerful than they have ever been.
 
2012-08-19 10:26:39 PM

Paris1127: I arrived in Australia a few weeks ago, and you can imagine my confusion when I saw the prices at gas stations like this one:
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At first glance, it appears that regular unleaded costs A$160.90 per liter... After inquiries, I was assured by my host that the sign actually says 160.9 cents... A$1.60 for a liter... Why not just say that? 

/might be funny to try this in the US, to see people's reactions
//"Dammit, Fartb0ng0 got his Ayrab friends to jack gas prices up to $160 a... a litre? WTF is a litre?"


3.8 liters = 1US gallon. So $1.60 per liter = $6.08 per gallon, but that's Australian dollars which at the current exchange rate equals US$6.30 per gallon.
 
2012-08-19 10:35:03 PM

smitty04: farkityfarker: filter: Live in Norway.... Don't really care about fuel prices..... Vehicle prices, on the other hand.... the 100% vehicle tax doesn't agree with me.

Well, at least if you become sick and need medical care it won't bankrupt you if you're unfortunate enough not to have a job with good benefits.

Socialist Liberal Americans see Norway as Paradise so please do not burst their bubble.


What are you talking about? High gas prices are nothing when public transport is so good. And safe - because healthcare is free most people with mental health issues are in hospitals being treated for their conditions rather than riding the subway. Apart from that take a look at the percentage of average daily pay needed to buy a gallon of gas. It's one of the lowest in the list. Higher than the US but Norway doesn't have the entrenched poverty and associated social problems that the US suffers from so who's better off?
 
2012-08-20 02:02:21 AM

hasty ambush: Well if go vernment funded condoms and education were the answer we would not need to be spending money trying to cure AIDS would we? Thrity percent of MEDICAID funding would not be going toward AIDS treatments.


Programs to reduce the spread of HIV do work. That doesn't magically make all of the sick people disappear. The fact that HIV medication is extremely expensive accounts for why it takes a lot of Medicaid finding to keep people who have it alive.

hasty ambush: It is amazing how common sense makes having sex a non-life threatening experience.


You have a shocking lack of perspective. Were you born in the 90s or something? (FFS, all this derp about taxes... are you even old enough to PAY taxes?) Common sense has nothing to do with it, unless you take the education you've received for granted.

HIV is a very new illness, and it's the first widespread lethal STD since the invention of modern medicine. Nobody had even seen AIDS in the US before '81. Nobody suspected it was caused by a virus until '84. Nobody knew what the virus was until '86. By then, HIV infection rates in some places had already passed 5%. We started making headway on antiretroviral treatment in '96. Over a million people are living with the virus right now.

If it weren't for enormous amounts of government-funded research and sex education in public schools, most Americans (including you) wouldn't know fark-all about how to keep from getting HIV. You think viral transmission vectors are common sense? Latency, transmission rates, a virus's ability to survive outside the host... these things all affect how you have to behave if you want to avoid getting HIV, and nobody would know any of that if someone hadn't spent the money to find out for you. Taxes paid for that knowledge. Your welcome.

hasty ambush: Well, I can pretty much guarantee that as fuel prices go up relative to income, the number of fat people will go down.

No sign of that so far


Prices aren't nearly high enough yet., but trust me, they'll get there.
 
2012-08-21 02:52:17 PM

BigNumber12: StoneColdAtheist: I never did learn to speak Dholuo (think tonal language like Mandarin Chinese), but when we moved north I learned Luhya straight away. Bantu languages are about as hard for English speakers to learn as Spanish is. There are no cognates, but the grammar and structure are very straight forward, and there are no sounds in Bantu languages that we don't have in English.

Wild - what an experience to have had.


It no doubt helped that I already spoke Kiswahili (an official language of Kenya, along with English), another Bantu language about as close to Luhya as French is to Italian...same basic structure, but not mutually intelligible. Still, a big help.
 
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