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2012-08-17 08:08:12 PM
You mean, it's well written and acted?
 
2012-08-17 08:32:13 PM
Oh sh*t.
 
2012-08-17 09:52:36 PM
That looks...(closing annotation window)...that looks pret...(closing annotation window)...that looks pretty cool.
 
2012-08-17 10:02:57 PM
In fact, if you never told me what the game was called, or if you removed the reference to Coruscant - the 'city planet' that was introduced in the Star Wars prequels - you would think it was just another sci-fi RPG.

I recognized some stuff. Some of the bad guys seemed to be wearing sort-of speeder biker helmets. And I'm pretty sure I saw a B-Wing at the end.
 
2012-08-17 11:28:13 PM
I liked Republic Commando, and I like the idea of a grittier Star Wars game.
 
2012-08-18 12:27:01 AM
The Star Wars universe is large enough to handle just about any type of story if it's done well. The idea of a isolated subculture in the bowels of Coruscant is an interesting one that's only been hinted at to this point. I'm willing to give it a go.
 
2012-08-18 02:01:10 AM
I'm guessing the author of TFA has never watched The Clone Wars series. That trailer looks like it could have come straight out of an episode of TCW (with a different animation style, of course).
 
2012-08-18 02:26:37 AM
Hilarious that the author is whining about not getting a New Jedi Order game (Jedi Academy was set during that period, IIRC), when the Jedi are the dullest, most-played out aspect of so many Star Wars games over the years. For all of its faults (and there are many), at least The Old Republic included bounty hunters and smugglers. Star Wars offers a vast and varied universe; give me a sandbox and let me eke out a hardscrabble existence among the scum of the outer rim.

/always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.
 
2012-08-18 02:29:40 AM
Also: Is that H. Jon Benjamin's voice in the trailer? Hilarious.

/"I don't know from poetry, Brendon."
 
2012-08-18 02:50:46 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: /always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.


Who didnt?
 
2012-08-18 02:54:07 AM
And yes, i think that was H Jon Benjamin.

And it was instantly recognizable as star wars, those were corellian style ships, fairly distinctive, as is the architecture of coruscant.
 
2012-08-18 02:56:25 AM
It looks like they are taking page out of the Uncharted book, which isn't a bad thing. I just wish they'd make a Tie Fighter 3 (or another of the series) on PC.

On an unrelated, everyone should force Activision to let Toy's for Bob make another Star Control game, god dammit! 

Ur-quan Masters just makes me want it more!
 
2012-08-18 03:05:57 AM
So they're re-skinning Mass Effect 3? I'm okay with that.

This... looks... AWESOME!!!!!!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-18 03:06:51 AM
I'll bet there are even wretcheder hives of scum and villainy down there than at Mos Eisley Spaceport.
 
2012-08-18 03:17:25 AM
Because no-one will ever make a good Jedi game until someone smartens the fark up and licenses/flat out copies the Batman Arkham fight mechanics for close range lightsaber/force fights.
 
2012-08-18 04:29:23 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: /always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.


A Han Solo game could be pretty decent. Use those old Han Solo novels for source material.

Maybe a sort of a vaguely western theme, with a dusty, mos-eisley-ish desert town, and oddball aliens instead of cowboys. Just you and Chewie, caught up in trouble not of your own making, and fighting to get out of it in one piece.

I'd buy that.
 
2012-08-18 04:30:31 AM

sat1va: It looks like they are taking page out of the Uncharted book, which isn't a bad thing. I just wish they'd make a Tie Fighter 3 (or another of the series) on PC.

On an unrelated, everyone should force Activision to let Toy's for Bob make another Star Control game, god dammit! 

Ur-quan Masters just makes me want it more!


Have you tried Space, Pirates, and Zombies yet? I've only played Ur-Quan a little bit, but Spaz is the same general concept and a pretty cool game to boot.
 
2012-08-18 04:40:46 AM
Author: "Pretty CGI"

Trailer: "Gameplay."

Author: "I don't know this term you're using."



Yeah, guys. That's gameplay. And it's very incredibly almost certainly built for next-gen consoles.
 
2012-08-18 05:27:30 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: /always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.


Young Robert: Well... it was something he said.
Imaginary William Shatner: What'd he say?
Young Robert: You really don't want to know.
Imaginary William Shatner: I really do want to know!
Young Robert: He said that Han Solo was cooler than Captain Kirk.
[pause]
Imaginary William Shatner: Kick the little farker's ass.
 
2012-08-18 05:43:52 AM

wraith95: sat1va: It looks like they are taking page out of the Uncharted book, which isn't a bad thing. I just wish they'd make a Tie Fighter 3 (or another of the series) on PC.

On an unrelated, everyone should force Activision to let Toy's for Bob make another Star Control game, god dammit! 

Ur-quan Masters just makes me want it more!

Have you tried Space, Pirates, and Zombies yet? I've only played Ur-Quan a little bit, but Spaz is the same general concept and a pretty cool game to boot.


Yeah I have SPAZ, it's good fun, but it doesn't have the crazy story that made Star Control 2 such a legendary (yet seemingly forgotten) game.
 
2012-08-18 05:49:21 AM
Only reason it doesn't 'feel' like Star Wars is that there isn't background music...
 
2012-08-18 07:02:31 AM

Bob_Laublaw: You mean, it's well written and acted?


Yeah, it appears they actually hit the mark with this one. Will reserve final judgment for the gameplay, naturally.
 
2012-08-18 07:16:42 AM
I didn't think the CGI in the prequels was all that awesome. It looked like a cartoon in many places.
 
2012-08-18 08:04:52 AM
I want! When is it coming out????
 
2012-08-18 09:15:21 AM
I'm a huge Star Wars fan, but the guy who wrote that article is an idiot.

Episode 7? ugh. Rebuilding the order? blech.

The only way rebuilding the order will ever be interesting is if we have a Revan and Exile of questionable alignment and no regard for the "rules" doing it. Then I think it could be pretty damn interesting. I'm of the opinion that the Force knows what douchebags the Jedi are and purposefully destroys them every millennia or so because the pompous, overbearing assholes deserve it.

My one hope for Star Wars is that we will one day get a live action series based on the KOTOR setting that has flashbacks to the Mandalorian wars and goes through Revan and the Exile's stories. I know I'll probably never get it and I wouldn't want it until after Mr. Lucas had passed on and it could be as gritty and ugly as it needed to be... but I can still hope.
 
2012-08-18 09:23:00 AM

bloobeary: Bonanza Jellybean: /always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.

A Han Solo game could be pretty decent. Use those old Han Solo novels for source material.

Maybe a sort of a vaguely western theme, with a dusty, mos-eisley-ish desert town, and oddball aliens instead of cowboys. Just you and Chewie, caught up in trouble not of your own making, and fighting to get out of it in one piece.

I'd buy that.


Red Dead Redemption: the Han Solo DLC.

I would buy that.
 
2012-08-18 09:24:30 AM
Okay Lucas Arts, it has been said before, but enough of the first person shooters. Bring back X-wing/Tie Fighter and/or Rebellion and you would make a small fortune.

Heck, if you just re-released those games with updated graphics you would make a killing.
 
2012-08-18 11:10:10 AM
I've been seeing things about 1313 so long I'm getting a serious vaporware vibe.
 
2012-08-18 11:17:39 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: Hilarious that the author is whining about not getting a New Jedi Order game (Jedi Academy was set during that period, IIRC), when the Jedi are the dullest, most-played out aspect of so many Star Wars games over the years. For all of its faults (and there are many), at least The Old Republic included bounty hunters and smugglers. Star Wars offers a vast and varied universe; give me a sandbox and let me eke out a hardscrabble existence among the scum of the outer rim.

/always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.


That's why I'm rolling up an Imperial Agent and Smuggler on my next plays of TOR. Stat sticks are getting old hat. Don't get me wrong though, I love hurling lightning at AI mobs and the occasional Republic player, but I want to see the grittier stories that the Agent or Smuggler may offer.
 
2012-08-18 11:20:13 AM

Slives: Okay Lucas Arts, it has been said before, but enough of the first person shooters. Bring back X-wing/Tie Fighter and/or Rebellion and you would make a small fortune.

Heck, if you just re-released those games with updated graphics you would make a killing.


SO MUCH THIS!

Imagine 1313's graphics in XWing or TIE Fighter simulation games?
 
2012-08-18 11:20:31 AM

bloobeary: Bonanza Jellybean: /always thought Han Solo was cooler than Luke when I was a kid.

A Han Solo game could be pretty decent. Use those old Han Solo novels for source material.

Maybe a sort of a vaguely western theme, with a dusty, mos-eisley-ish desert town, and oddball aliens instead of cowboys. Just you and Chewie, caught up in trouble not of your own making, and fighting to get out of it in one piece.

I'd buy that.


And Tom Cruise could cameo as Space Reacher?
 
2012-08-18 11:21:57 AM

Slives: Okay Lucas Arts, it has been said before, but enough of the first person shooters. Bring back X-wing/Tie Fighter and/or Rebellion and you would make a small fortune.

Heck, if you just re-released those games with updated graphics you would make a killing.


Lots of games that would apply to.
I'd kill good people to get Xcom upgraded
 
2012-08-18 11:48:54 AM

Teufelaffe: I'm guessing the author of TFA has never watched The Clone Wars series. That trailer looks like it could have come straight out of an episode of TCW (with a different animation style, of course).


People actually watch that boring crap?
 
2012-08-18 12:08:24 PM
And Tom Cruise could cameo as Space Reacher?

No the idea is to make it good. Tom Cruise is concentrated suck factor.
 
2012-08-18 12:20:28 PM

nocturn: Because no-one will ever make a good Jedi game until someone smartens the fark up and licenses/flat out copies the Batman Arkham fight mechanics for close range lightsaber/force fights.


So much this. Every game that involves fighting should be doing it Arkham-style.
 
2012-08-18 12:25:48 PM
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2012-08-18 12:29:16 PM

kertus: Slives: Okay Lucas Arts, it has been said before, but enough of the first person shooters. Bring back X-wing/Tie Fighter and/or Rebellion and you would make a small fortune.

Heck, if you just re-released those games with updated graphics you would make a killing.

Lots of games that would apply to.
I'd kill good people to get Xcom upgraded


You wish might soon be granted, if this delivers on its promises. You know, without the killing.
 
2012-08-18 12:36:56 PM

SithLord: Slives: Okay Lucas Arts, it has been said before, but enough of the first person shooters. Bring back X-wing/Tie Fighter and/or Rebellion and you would make a small fortune.

Heck, if you just re-released those games with updated graphics you would make a killing.

SO MUCH THIS!

Imagine 1313's graphics in XWing or TIE Fighter simulation games?


As long as they don't do that third-person perspective crap, I'm sold.

And a level editor please.

/spent too much time as a pre-teen in the TIE Fighter Workshop
 
2012-08-18 12:37:28 PM
The only real meh is that FPS is where Star Wars is the weakest. Armor, laser gun, etc. Maybe if you give me Mando combat armor or Dark Trooper gear it would be more unique, but odds are this is just another laser and armor SciFi shooter with "Oh look you are also a latent Jedi and can use the force at higher levels" tossed in at the end to make it Stat Wars. As others have said, give me my X-Wings and my TIEs. Also a remark of Rebellion, with DLC for various specific campaigns. Like a Thrawn DLC, a Zsinj DLC, etc. Start out with a robust engine and a nice standard "Take the galaxy over" goal" like you had in Rebellion for the game itself. Then every two years or so, push out a nice DLC where you can start at a specific time point in history and redo that full campaign complete with the lore.

That being said the graphics look nice and it has a potentially interesting vibe. We'll see how it reviews. Also NJO is one of the worst parts of the EU. We should be burning that shiat not making games for it.
 
2012-08-18 01:05:13 PM
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THE GREATEST STAR WARS GAME OF ALL TIME
 
2012-08-18 02:55:57 PM

nocturn: Because no-one will ever make a good Jedi game until someone smartens the fark up and licenses/flat out copies the Batman Arkham fight mechanics for close range lightsaber/force fights.


dude, they had the same basic fight mechanics as BAC in freekin Jedi Power Battles way back in 1999 for ps1

/best lightsaber combat to be found to date is in the jedi academy games
 
2012-08-18 02:57:20 PM

jagermech: SithLord: Slives: Okay Lucas Arts, it has been said before, but enough of the first person shooters. Bring back X-wing/Tie Fighter and/or Rebellion and you would make a small fortune.

Heck, if you just re-released those games with updated graphics you would make a killing.

SO MUCH THIS!

Imagine 1313's graphics in XWing or TIE Fighter simulation games?

As long as they don't do that third-person perspective crap, I'm sold.

And a level editor please.

/spent too much time as a pre-teen in the TIE Fighter Workshop


Yes - do this. All of it
 
2012-08-18 03:08:53 PM

fusillade762: In fact, if you never told me what the game was called, or if you removed the reference to Coruscant - the 'city planet' that was introduced in the Star Wars prequels - you would think it was just another sci-fi RPG.

I recognized some stuff. Some of the bad guys seemed to be wearing sort-of speeder biker helmets. And I'm pretty sure I saw a B-Wing at the end.


Yeah, the complaints with post Ep IV related stuff was usually the opposite. Your always running into Han Solo and Darth Vader and you'll inevitably go to Hoth. I'm fine with less Star Warsy-looking Star Wars.
 
2012-08-18 03:13:15 PM
While I love X-Wing/TIE Fighter as much as the next guy, along w/ Descent 1 and 2, I'm sad to admit I just don't see them being popular going forward. Laptops, tablets, and consoles are the dominant future of gaming (at least to the bean counters who have to pour a lot of money into the development), and there's no room in the living room or couch or bed for flight sticks, steering wheels, or other advanced control devices. And X-Wing/TIE Fighter almost required flight sticks. After playing both ways, these games were just so superior w/ a flight stick, it's almost like playing FPS on keyboard/mouse versus gamepad. There aren't enough diehards w/ enough desktop space to handle all the necessary controllers out there. You have to make your game playable, at most, w/ a game mouse and game keyboard. Flight sticks are rarer and rarer, and some games like X-Wing or Descent require them.
 
2012-08-18 03:39:38 PM

bbfreak: Teufelaffe: I'm guessing the author of TFA has never watched The Clone Wars series. That trailer looks like it could have come straight out of an episode of TCW (with a different animation style, of course).

People actually watch that boring crap?


You either haven't watched enough of it to decide if it's boring or not, or you answered your own question with a "yes."

/ Season 3 had its (many) low points, but seasons 1 and 2 were quite good.
// Haven't seen any of season 4 yet but will when Netflix will mail it to me.
 
2012-08-18 03:47:40 PM

Trocadero: While I love X-Wing/TIE Fighter as much as the next guy, along w/ Descent 1 and 2, I'm sad to admit I just don't see them being popular going forward. Laptops, tablets, and consoles are the dominant future of gaming (at least to the bean counters who have to pour a lot of money into the development), and there's no room in the living room or couch or bed for flight sticks, steering wheels, or other advanced control devices. And X-Wing/TIE Fighter almost required flight sticks. After playing both ways, these games were just so superior w/ a flight stick, it's almost like playing FPS on keyboard/mouse versus gamepad. There aren't enough diehards w/ enough desktop space to handle all the necessary controllers out there. You have to make your game playable, at most, w/ a game mouse and game keyboard. Flight sticks are rarer and rarer, and some games like X-Wing or Descent require them.


Umh, everyone's next gen console is going to have some form of motion tracker on it. There are all kinds of ways around the no joysticks issue. A cheap piece of plastic you hold like a joystick and have the cameras track for example. Or some game design can come up with a set of simplistic gestures you could use as opposed to standard controller. Hold a Wii mote perpendicular to the ground and you have buttons and a halfway decent joystick that would work quite well for casual play assuming the Wii can track it. Doesn't work in the current gen of course because of how a Wii mote is tracked, but we're at the point were an XBox can track individual fingers. A wii controller is 21 bucks off the internet. A little plastic shell for a Wii gun is 14 dollars. So there are plenty of ways to sell a cheap little thing that gets you a flight stick like substance.

Then you do a good job porting it to the PC (not some crappy drop it off and have it run like ass) and those of us who are still PC gamers will drop money on a joystick. The cheap ones go for 17 dollars and you can get nicer ones if you want of course. The flight sims also work just fine with keyboard only controls for casual play. The joystick is without a doubt better, but on easy mode AWSD, the arrow keys, and space bar to fire you can handle t.

/I have a whole cupboard full of DDR mats and fake guitars from various game fads, as do many people, you can still sell accessories
//especially if you planned this out at the publisher level and say dropped a Halo flight sim, a SW Flight Sim, a USAF flight sim, and the like all in one holiday season for the same console. Have one generic flight stick option for all of them. Also offer special edition ones for the collectors
 
2012-08-18 05:23:31 PM

QT_3.14159: The only way rebuilding the order will ever be interesting is if we have a Revan and Exile of questionable alignment and no regard for the "rules" doing it. Then I think it could be pretty damn interesting. I'm of the opinion that the Force knows what douchebags the Jedi are and purposefully destroys them every millennia or so because the pompous, overbearing assholes deserve it.


Did you just out yourself as a Mass Effect 3 writer? That makes no sense in the context of the world. The Force is energy. Just energy. AND MIDOCLOHRIANS.
 
2012-08-18 05:38:30 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: QT_3.14159: The only way rebuilding the order will ever be interesting is if we have a Revan and Exile of questionable alignment and no regard for the "rules" doing it. Then I think it could be pretty damn interesting. I'm of the opinion that the Force knows what douchebags the Jedi are and purposefully destroys them every millennia or so because the pompous, overbearing assholes deserve it.

Did you just out yourself as a Mass Effect 3 writer? That makes no sense in the context of the world. The Force is energy. Just energy. AND MIDOCLOHRIANS.


It's move beyond energy post Revenge of the Sith. Anakin was the guy who was going to bring balance to the force and the Jedi Masters talk about their control of the force waning. It might not be sentient but canon now has it at some kind of flow or something, something that the Jedi can knock out of whack and cause to alter. As opposed to just an energy store they tap.

/it's stupid
 
2012-08-18 06:01:46 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Did you just out yourself as a Mass Effect 3 writer? That makes no sense in the context of the world. The Force is energy. Just energy. AND MIDOCLOHRIANS.


The Jedi have been debating the nature of the Force for millennia. Yes, it is just energy... but many believe that the Force has a will of its own. It is not a sentient being in the way some think of a God, but there is an undeniable quality about it that makes it larger than the sum of its parts.

/played waaaaay too much KOTOR 2
 
2012-08-18 07:05:54 PM

Disposable Rob: fusillade762: In fact, if you never told me what the game was called, or if you removed the reference to Coruscant - the 'city planet' that was introduced in the Star Wars prequels - you would think it was just another sci-fi RPG.

I recognized some stuff. Some of the bad guys seemed to be wearing sort-of speeder biker helmets. And I'm pretty sure I saw a B-Wing at the end.

Yeah, the complaints with post Ep IV related stuff was usually the opposite. Your always running into Han Solo and Darth Vader and you'll inevitably go to Hoth. I'm fine with less Star Warsy-looking Star Wars.


There was a whole galaxy to imagine, and somehow everything revolved around the same planets and people. It's like 30 years of fan fiction, written by pros. I'll be just fine if we saw what other characters do. I liked the Dark Horse comics, and thought they were pretty fun. And as a veteran of WEG Star Wars RPG, I kinda liked keeping Jedi rare and mysterious.
 
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