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2012-08-17 06:33:08 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: fuhfuhfuh: Vindibudd: Mrtraveler01:
Yeah, we get to subsidize the nice version of Medicare for her while I get stuck with the shiatty version of Medicare that Paul Ryan wants to set up when I get older.

Who wouldn't want to vote for that?

You mean that Medicare plan that allows you to use a voucher to go wherever you want? That awful mean thing that lets you choose your doctors? Oh the horror!

If a voucher system is so great, then why not make everyone do it, and not exempt people over a certain age?

The people who have paid into the current system all their lives wish to keep it that way. They have that right.


But someone 54 years old does not have that right? Why is the current system good for those 55 and older but not for everyone else? Why is a voucher system good for those under 55 but bad for those over 55?
 
2012-08-17 06:35:31 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: 3_Butt_Cheeks: fuhfuhfuh: Vindibudd: Mrtraveler01:
Yeah, we get to subsidize the nice version of Medicare for her while I get stuck with the shiatty version of Medicare that Paul Ryan wants to set up when I get older.

Who wouldn't want to vote for that?

You mean that Medicare plan that allows you to use a voucher to go wherever you want? That awful mean thing that lets you choose your doctors? Oh the horror!

If a voucher system is so great, then why not make everyone do it, and not exempt people over a certain age?

The people who have paid into the current system all their lives wish to keep it that way. They have that right.

But someone 54 years old does not have that right? Why is the current system good for those 55 and older but not for everyone else? Why is a voucher system good for those under 55 but bad for those over 55?


There has to be a cutoff somewhere. You could argue that point at any age. Why 51 instead of 50?? I'm sure it has to do with yrs to retirement vs benefits or something along those lines. I doubt it was an arbitrary number.
 
2012-08-17 06:36:22 PM  
The well-wisher, Erma from Howland, Ohio, told me later that she's not worried that Ryan and Romney would end Medicare. "I don't believe it," she said. "Because Obama has a bigger plan to rob Medicare of $617 billion."

www.mediabistro.com
 
2012-08-17 06:36:23 PM  

JohnnyC: MeinRS6... I just thought I would say thank you.


You're welcome.

Now have some more purple drank and dream about voting for your bozo again for another 4yrs.
 
2012-08-17 06:36:35 PM  

vernonFL: "We better worry about Obamacare before we worry about Ryan," added Erma, a self-described conservative. Erma wasn't the only conservative senior citizen at the Original Hot Dog Shoppe to demonstrate that the party faithful have absorbed the Medicare message being pushed by the Romney-Ryan campaign this week.

"Oh, don't believe none of that stuff," Eleanor Costantino, a senior citizen from Warren, told me when I asked her if she was worried about Romney-Ryan taking away Medicare. "It's all nothing but a bunch of lies!"

These are the same type of old people who get ripped off on reverse mortgages, Glenn Beck's gold schemes, and Alex Trebec's life insurance.


Decillion: The Dog Ate The Constitution: ShawnDoc: Obama Cuts Medicare growth over the next x years by increasing efficiency, and without cutting back on services. He's trying to destroy Medicare.

Ryan openly admits he wants to throw out Medicare and replace it with a voucher system that won't keep up with the cost of medical service. That's all a bunch of liberal lies.

Because if there's one thing that the Federal Government is good at, it's increasing efficiency.

Where did this idea start that government can't do anything right?


Probably when lobbyists from the private sector were allowed in D.C..
 
2012-08-17 06:37:49 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: fuhfuhfuh: 3_Butt_Cheeks: fuhfuhfuh: Vindibudd: Mrtraveler01:
Yeah, we get to subsidize the nice version of Medicare for her while I get stuck with the shiatty version of Medicare that Paul Ryan wants to set up when I get older.

Who wouldn't want to vote for that?

You mean that Medicare plan that allows you to use a voucher to go wherever you want? That awful mean thing that lets you choose your doctors? Oh the horror!

If a voucher system is so great, then why not make everyone do it, and not exempt people over a certain age?

The people who have paid into the current system all their lives wish to keep it that way. They have that right.

But someone 54 years old does not have that right? Why is the current system good for those 55 and older but not for everyone else? Why is a voucher system good for those under 55 but bad for those over 55?

There has to be a cutoff somewhere. You could argue that point at any age. Why 51 instead of 50?? I'm sure it has to do with yrs to retirement vs benefits or something along those lines. I doubt it was an arbitrary number.


Why not vouchers for everyone then? A magical medical care ticket that can be used anywhere you please sounds like a system we should all use. Why not put the cutoff at 65? 70? Why have a cutoff at all? The voucher system is a better system for distribution of care, so why would you allow people to continue to use the older, inefficient manner?
 
2012-08-17 06:39:53 PM  

FloydA: Holy crap, these people live in a complete fantasy land!


Shh! It's cheaper this way.

"Why yes, grandma, this is Disneyland."
 
2012-08-17 06:41:36 PM  
Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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2012-08-17 06:42:33 PM  

vernonFL: I love my grandmother (RIP) but thank goodness she died before Obama became President. Grandma was an old school die hard racist, and I honestly don't think she would believe that a black man could be President.


So was my paternal grandpa. I remember the movie Guess Who's Coming To Dinner starting on our TV, and the first words out of his mouth were "Ni**er loving biatch." Crushed my child soul.
 
2012-08-17 06:43:20 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: A magical medical care ticket that can be used anywhere you please sounds like a system we should all use


You obviously don't know what a voucher system is.

fuhfuhfuh: Why not vouchers for everyone then?


Asked earlier, answered earlier.

fuhfuhfuh: Why not put the cutoff at 65? 70? Why have a cutoff at all? The voucher system is a better system for distribution of care, so why would you allow people to continue to use the older, inefficient manner?


Same question, different wording.

Why keep asking ME all the questions? You obviously are implying you have your own answers, so go ahead...lets hear it.
 
2012-08-17 06:45:21 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.
 
2012-08-17 06:45:36 PM  
It is a pity that these ignorants will not experience Ryan-care or Repub-care first hand. The smart people in this country will save them from that.
 
2012-08-17 06:46:50 PM  

theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.


It is BS.
 
2012-08-17 06:47:11 PM  
I really love the "Romney is hiding some dark secret about his taxes" nonsense.

Either he's in the clear with the IRS or he's not. That's who gets to see all your taxes and makes sure you've paid the correct amount. He wouldn't be running for president if there were a bunch of audits going on about his old returns. The guy is paid up. You may not like that he's paid up, but that doesn't matter.
 
2012-08-17 06:47:44 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: Why keep asking ME all the questions?


You are responding.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Asked earlier, answered earlier.


What answer? Because they are old? That is not an answer, that is an excuse.

3_Butt_Cheeks: You obviously are implying you have your own answers,


Where in the holy f**k did that come from? I am honestly curious as to why the propose system is good for some, but not for all and therefore needs a cutoff. If you can't answer that, then say so. Don't go trying to turn the question back because you can't answer the one posed to you.
 
2012-08-17 06:47:57 PM  

ole prophet: Your next-to-last paragraph and your last paragraph are funny in a way that I don't think you intended.


You're probably one of those swizzlemuck rotemangers who thinks that it's intolerant of us liberals to be intolerant of conservative intolerance, aren't you?
 
2012-08-17 06:48:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: TV's Vinnie: Cannot tell if it's Stockholm Syndrome or just plain old senility. May as well be carrying a sign that reads "PLEASE MR RYAN! MAKE ME STARVE! MAKE ME HOMELESS!"

It baffles me how these right wing pinheads vote gop, and they wonder why their lives have turned to sh*t.

As I always have said, the REAL threat to America isn't as much as these right wing politicians, but the DANGEROUSLY STUPID morons who keep voting for these sociopaths again and again.

The left does humor and tech. The right tells stories.

The story that they have sold their constituents is that ALL social, economic and political ills are solely due to the evil machinations of the left who want to take all their money, kill Jeezus again, and sell our country to the Commies/Mooslims/Whichever enemy is the boogieman this week. After nearly 60 years of this tripe, couched in subtler terms and constantly reinforced by such "entertainers" as Limbonehead and Beck, people GENUINELY BELIEVE this in the same way a four-year old believes that an old man lives at the north pole to bring him toys. They honestly believe that if only all the evil liberals were gone, and a good, God-fearing man (and they mean MAN) was in the White House, everyone would be rich and all their problems would be solved--just like that four-year old believes that if he's REALLY REALLY good this year, the old man will bring him a pony.

The difference of course is that when he doesn't get a pony, the four-year old becomes a 5-year old who realizes that his parents are really the old man bringing him toys. The right manages to change their story just enough each year that their constituents can't stop believing if only they're good they'll get that pony.


Yeah, because Detroit is such a shining example of how the Leftists are so much better at running things, right? How about New Orleans? No? How about California?
 
2012-08-17 06:48:36 PM  
Chain their ass
 
2012-08-17 06:49:56 PM  

theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.


"Rafalca, the Romney's Olympics-bound dressage horse, nets the family a $77,000 tax credit, $2,000 of which, according to Current's calculations, is for what they spent on health care for the horse. The average American family only spends $1,557 a year on health care."

There's a reason I have you marked as "Both sides are bad."
 
2012-08-17 06:50:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: No I'm against it because I don't want the "privilage" to get raped by a private insurance company when I get older because Medicare got gutted to help support giving more tax breaks while trying to claim it will balance the budget.


Problem is, that's the way the system is arranged: To extract as much asset value as possible from elderly who hit their end-of-life illness. Unless you have gold-plated insurance that covers all expenses or huge amounts of liquid cash, they will bleed you out. And the only condition that qualifies you for Medicaid is to be virtually bled out financially. The system is designed to do this to people; it's s feature, not a bug.
Everybody gets old and then gets sick and then dies. Transfer all your assets to some other family members before the system devours you alive.
 
2012-08-17 06:51:56 PM  

MeinRS6: I really love the "Romney is hiding some dark secret about his taxes" nonsense.

Either he's in the clear with the IRS or he's not. That's who gets to see all your taxes and makes sure you've paid the correct amount. He wouldn't be running for president if there were a bunch of audits going on about his old returns. The guy is paid up. You may not like that he's paid up, but that doesn't matter.


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2012-08-17 06:52:03 PM  

theknuckler_33: Ego edo infantia cattus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

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Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.


After going some googling on my own...

all I can do is...

weep.

/apologies to Ego edo infantia cattus
 
2012-08-17 06:52:38 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: Where in the holy f**k did that come from? I am honestly curious as to why the propose system is good for some, but not for all and therefore needs a cutoff. If you can't answer that, then say so. Don't go trying to turn the question back because you can't answer the one posed to you.


He's supposed to accuse you of being a troll when you ask him a question that's too hard.
 
2012-08-17 06:53:24 PM  

James F. Campbell: theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.

"Rafalca, the Romney's Olympics-bound dressage horse, nets the family a $77,000 tax credit, $2,000 of which, according to Current's calculations, is for what they spent on health care for the horse. The average American family only spends $1,557 a year on health care."

There's a reason I have you marked as "Both sides are bad."


See my post a little further down.

If you've got me marked that way, your really bad at marking people.
 
2012-08-17 06:53:54 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?


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2012-08-17 06:54:20 PM  

sprawl15: theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.

It is BS.


I was honestly hoping to find information to that effect. If you have it, I'd like to see it.
 
2012-08-17 06:54:35 PM  

theknuckler_33: If you've got me marked that way, your really bad at marking people.


I don't know, kinda looks like he nailed it with that one.
 
2012-08-17 06:54:38 PM  

James F. Campbell: theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.

"Rafalca, the Romney's Olympics-bound dressage horse, nets the family a $77,000 tax credit, $2,000 of which, according to Current's calculations, is for what they spent on health care for the horse. The average American family only spends $1,557 a year on health care."

There's a reason I have you marked as "Both sides are bad."


Click on the link in your article: "registered for the horse on their 2010 returns".

Then scroll down to the bottom and notice that it has an update:
Some clarification here. The loss was over $77,000 but that only generated a $50 tax deduction. It's possible that the deduction will become much more valuable in the future if Rafalca generates fees.
The link in the update goes into how people who have no farking clue what they're talking about mistook a declared disallowed 8582 loss for a deduction.
 
2012-08-17 06:54:54 PM  

theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.


It wasn't a credit. It was a deduction.
 
2012-08-17 06:55:27 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: your


Not doing yourself any favors.
 
2012-08-17 06:55:33 PM  

St_Francis_P: Does this still make Sarah President?


As long as it's not Biden, we'll be okay.
 
2012-08-17 06:56:05 PM  
Oh, damn it. Sorry about that, LouDobbsAwaaaay. I meant to quote theknuckler_33 there, obviously. Ppffpftbt.
 
2012-08-17 06:56:21 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: 3_Butt_Cheeks: Why keep asking ME all the questions?

You are responding.

3_Butt_Cheeks: Asked earlier, answered earlier.

What answer? Because they are old? That is not an answer, that is an excuse.

3_Butt_Cheeks: You obviously are implying you have your own answers,

Where in the holy f**k did that come from? I am honestly curious as to why the propose system is good for some, but not for all and therefore needs a cutoff. If you can't answer that, then say so. Don't go trying to turn the question back because you can't answer the one posed to you.


I'm not trying to do anything, I assumed you had some basic knowledge on the subject. I suggest reading the plan then. Then it will be easier for you to make an informed choice.
 
2012-08-17 06:56:39 PM  

impaler: theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.

It wasn't a credit. It was a deduction.


If you think that's a bad deduction, you should see what was deducted in.... oh right, never mind.
 
2012-08-17 06:57:02 PM  

Ed Finnerty: MeinRS6: I really love the "Romney is hiding some dark secret about his taxes" nonsense.

Either he's in the clear with the IRS or he's not. That's who gets to see all your taxes and makes sure you've paid the correct amount. He wouldn't be running for president if there were a bunch of audits going on about his old returns. The guy is paid up. You may not like that he's paid up, but that doesn't matter.

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Would seeing Rmoney's tax return serve any other purpose than to allow everyone so inclined to linger over the fainting couch and clutch their pearls and howl with rage at how rich he actually is? I think his wealth would probably not sway any voters either way. The pinheads will probably be even more provoked to vote for him since they worship wealth and think they'll be rich someday, too.
 
2012-08-17 06:57:02 PM  

theknuckler_33: sprawl15: theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.

It is BS.

I was honestly hoping to find information to that effect. If you have it, I'd like to see it.


Read the link I posted above, "clarification here". It goes into detail.

Simply, though, they declared a loss on the horse that can only be counted against potential future gains from the horse. The actual amount they deducted was $50.
 
2012-08-17 06:58:25 PM  

sprawl15: "It's all right if you don't understand. I could explain, but it's a long story," the cat said, giving a couple of short, dismissive flips of its tail.

"Wait a sec!" Hoshino said. "You're Colonel Sanders, aren't you?"

"Colonel who?" the cat said sullenly. "I don't know who you're talking about. I'm me, and nobody else. Just your friendly neighborhood cat."



Don't believe him!

He's Johnny Walker!
 
2012-08-17 06:58:33 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Would seeing Rmoney's tax return serve any other purpose than to allow everyone so inclined to linger over the fainting couch and clutch their pearls and howl with rage at how rich he actually is?


It could bring a serious example to the nation's tax situation. It would undermine the standard GOP talking point that nominal tax rates are more meaningful than actual tax rates.
 
2012-08-17 07:00:50 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7274442/78786635#c78786635" target="_blank">tenpoundsofcheese</a>:</b> <i>Teufelaffe: Oh crap, it looks like TPOC discovered a new phrase. Now we'll never stop seeing it in his posts.

You sound concerned.
You sound tired.</i>

That's the best you have? You are the resident derptard and all you can do is recycle whats been used against you, Billco & Co. after you crapmasters regurgitate the same debunked lies time and time again?

LOL, You Fail again tenpoundsofshiattard!
 
2012-08-17 07:01:25 PM  

Carlo Spicy-Wiener: roger1: Be nice liberal, as all your cards fail under Obama, you can still be nice.

Make you a deal: We'll start being "nice" liberals when conservatives stop pretending that they're anything but the lowest form of life on Earth. Until then, fark you. Fark you right in the ear.


Ah you sound like you could use a chik-fil-a sandwich.
 
2012-08-17 07:01:49 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Would seeing Rmoney's tax return serve any other purpose than to allow everyone so inclined to linger over the fainting couch and clutch their pearls and howl with rage at how rich he actually is? I think his wealth would probably not sway any voters either way. The pinheads will probably be even more provoked to vote for him since they worship wealth and think they'll be rich someday, too.


Yes. It would demonstrate that he's a serious candidate for POTUS and not taking some CEO job at a fetus disposal factory.
 
2012-08-17 07:03:06 PM  

sprawl15: HotIgneous Intruder: Would seeing Rmoney's tax return serve any other purpose than to allow everyone so inclined to linger over the fainting couch and clutch their pearls and howl with rage at how rich he actually is?

It could bring a serious example to the nation's tax situation. It would undermine the standard GOP talking point that nominal tax rates are more meaningful than actual tax rates.


The voter and the "media" only care about sensationalism...OMG he's RICH!!

Yea, we know he's rich. They are also talking tax reform, which is desperately needed. Since Harry Reid has a rock solid source, he merely needs to inform the rest of us...non-issue solved.
 
2012-08-17 07:03:44 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Would seeing Rmoney's tax return serve any other purpose than to allow everyone so inclined to linger over the fainting couch and clutch their pearls and howl with rage at how rich he actually is?


No, people want to know what his actual tax rate was. Everyone already knows how rich he his. "Hate rich people for being rich" isn't a Democratic belief, it's a Republican strawman about Democrats.
 
2012-08-17 07:03:46 PM  

3_Butt_Cheeks: I'm not trying to do anything, I assumed you had some basic knowledge on the subject. I suggest reading the plan then. Then it will be easier for you to make an informed choice.


The plan says dick-all about why a cutoff is needed, only that there is one. I'm saying that if the voucher plan is such a great idea, why not push it out to everyone without a cutoff? Just because someone was born before 1956 doesn't mean that they should be immune to the changes made for the nation. Age does not exempt you from tax rates. Age does not exempt you from laws that did not exist when you were younger. Why should age protect you from a needed change to a government program?
 
2012-08-17 07:04:32 PM  

Aarontology: Let's just end Medicare right now and toss them to the private insurer wolves.


I'm OK with this. I love my parents, and I take care of them as they took care of me. But I am so very tired of the baby boomers. Let's cancel SS and Medicare for a couple years and see how they feel about government programs after that.
 
2012-08-17 07:05:56 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Yes. It would demonstrate that he's a serious candidate for POTUS


So would a 'serious candidate' for POTUS (and eventual winner) draft into his cabinet a bunch of tax cheats or people who simply made a shiat-ton of very common explainable oversights which ended up in their favor?
 
2012-08-17 07:06:07 PM  

sprawl15: theknuckler_33: sprawl15: theknuckler_33: Gonna have to call for a [citation_needed] on that 77K tax CREDIT for the horse thingy. I'm pretty liberal, but that's gotta be BS.

It is BS.

I was honestly hoping to find information to that effect. If you have it, I'd like to see it.

Read the link I posted above, "clarification here". It goes into detail.

Simply, though, they declared a loss on the horse that can only be counted against potential future gains from the horse. The actual amount they deducted was $50.


Thanks. I would hope my fellow liberals would read this and realize that a "deduction" is not the same (and is SIGNIFICANTLY different than) a "credit". This was a deduction... a one-time deduction. Whether it is fair or whatever has nothing to do with what I was saying. The 77K tax CREDIT (which I had emphasized repeatedly) is bullshiat.

For goodness sakes, I can be a farking liberal and realize bullshiat from my own side when I see it. I will not be the mirror image of Fox followers.
 
2012-08-17 07:06:34 PM  
Death panels and whatnot....
 
2012-08-17 07:07:25 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: The plan says dick-all about why a cutoff is needed


I think you are capable of forming an educated opinion about this on your own.

fuhfuhfuh: I'm saying that if the voucher plan is such a great idea, why not push it out to everyone without a cutoff?


Again, I answered with my opinion already. You keep asking. And asking.
 
2012-08-17 07:08:23 PM  

theknuckler_33: This was a deduction... a one-time deduction.


It's not a deduction. That's the point.

There's a category called 'passive activities'. You can declare losses against that category, and they can only be used to offset gains from the same category. You can declare a $100 billion disallowed loss and it won't let you deduct a penny from your salary. If, however, your passive activity makes some money, you can offset that gain.
 
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