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(Jezebel)   In their continuing efforts to fix the economy, over the last year, conservative lawmakers have passed a record number of bills regulating banks and out of control financial institutions. Oh, wait, I meant women's access to medical care   (jezebel.com) divider line 307
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2012-08-17 04:34:22 PM

lennavan: Corvus: So you are telling me most 39 day old fetus can survive ON IT'S OWN outside the womb with no medical help?

That was my comment. not with medical help.

There is no such thing as a 39 day old human fetus.


Okay, so what you're getting at is you would prefer to c-section a near-full term fetus rather than abort it, right? And then move it to the NICU since it'd be premature. I'm just trying to follow along here. Blind man in an orgy. Just feeling things out.
 
2012-08-17 04:35:03 PM

lennavan: I love that you think this is even relevant. It's totally cool to abort a viable fetus because c-sections might be expensive and/or we'd need more doctors. You sound just like the Republicans who are against universal health care because the waiting lines would be longer.


I genuinely do think it's relevant to consider the resources and staff available to a hospital when you are proposed a radical policy change. Whereas an abortion can be performed at a clinic, a c-section cannot.

You didn't know this but I don't fault you - many hospitals have a special section just for birthing shiat including their own dedicated operating room(s) just for c-sections.

Are those sufficient to handle the increased case load of c-sections that your policy recommendation would necessarily entail?
 
2012-08-17 04:37:02 PM

Kome: I would like you to describe for me what those metrics are.


Metrics as in those pertinent to the health of the child, not altered with respect to the parents' desired use of the child after it is born.

Derp.
 
2012-08-17 04:37:09 PM
If you have a penis you really have no right to legislate to a woman about how her body.
 
2012-08-17 04:38:07 PM
*about her body

Damn typos.
 
2012-08-17 04:38:08 PM

Kome: lennavan: I got no beef with that. I'm telling you to stop trampling the rights of the fetus.

Why should the rights of the fetus trump the rights of the pregnant woman?


They don't. They both have to be weighed. No one is proposing killing the mother to save the fetus. Why on earth are you proposing killing the fetus to convenience the mother?

Kome: Vaginal birth carries with it a 14x greater risk of maternal death than an abortion. C-section carries with it a 3x greater risk of maternal death than vaginal birth. Using math, we can infer that c-section carries with it a 42x greater risk of maternal death than abortion.


Again, you have ignored the rights of the fetus. What are the chances of the fetus living and dying in each one?

Kome: Defining "lives" in this discussion is hardly stupid.


It's fundamentally stupid. The medical field already has methods to determine whether something is alive or dead. We don't need to rehash it here.

Kome: I would like you to describe for me what those metrics are. Please be as detailed as possible. Remember, this is to demonstrate both that you know what you're talking about (credibility goes a long way in a discussion) and so you can define the terms used in our discussion so that we can have a genuine discussion about the merits of your proposal.


This has to be about the stupidest conversation in the history of Fark.com. Seriously. You demand I define how hospitals determine whether or not something is alive/dead? Where the fark are you even going with this?

I want my 26 week old c-section baby, is it alive?
I don't want my 26 week old c-section baby, is it alive?

You think the way they determine it is different in these situations or what? Wow dude, just wow.
 
2012-08-17 04:38:30 PM

verbaltoxin: ignite ice: Weaver95: But the first laws were handed down by heathens and pagan gods, not the christian gods (who didn't happen along until MUCH later). so...basically you are saying that only pagans are moral?

You're confusing myths with legends. A myth is something that has no factual basis but has been accepted as a concept or idea. Myths are founded on the notion that they didn't happen. A legend is something that concerns a particular subset of historical, cultural value, and is considered accurate based on its acceptance. Pagan gods are a good example of myth. Countless people in the Bible worshiped pagan gods and it was well documented that these were false gods who could not support the beliefs in them. The Judeo-Christian God is what we're looking for when we think of legend. The belief in the Christian God is a belief that is highly supported by historical documents in countless museums. The very fact that there are some billion followers who recognize the Christian God as truth is testament to His existence is substantially more noteworthy than the near zero people who still worship pagan deities.

This guy. This f*cking guy right here.


Hey, if a billion people believe something, it MUST be true. So I'll be converting to Islam tomorrow.
 
2012-08-17 04:38:40 PM

The Dog Ate The Constitution: Doak: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So confused. Jezebel is often the worst of the Gawker sites in terms of derp, and yet, they are writing about people who are even derpier than they are.

Who do I despise in this situation?

What's wrong with Jezebel?

Nothing at all. Joking about stealing babies is completely normal.


I don't see that as much more or less depraved than what you'd find on fark. So... yes? It's pretty normal.
 
2012-08-17 04:39:03 PM

verbaltoxin: ghare: This is a thread where Republicans are concerned about jobs, right?

No this is the thread where a bunch of pro-choicers argue who is the most pro-choice of all. I believe the jobs bill thread is down the hall and to your left.


Well I believe that a woman has the right to terminate her child's life until it can survive on it's own. I'd say by like age 10 or so. Do I win the "most pro-choice" award?
 
2012-08-17 04:40:22 PM

ignite ice: Weaver95: But the first laws were handed down by heathens and pagan gods, not the christian gods (who didn't happen along until MUCH later). so...basically you are saying that only pagans are moral?

You're confusing myths with legends. A myth is something that has no factual basis but has been accepted as a concept or idea. Myths are founded on the notion that they didn't happen. A legend is something that concerns a particular subset of historical, cultural value, and is considered accurate based on its acceptance. Pagan gods are a good example of myth. Countless people in the Bible worshiped pagan gods and it was well documented that these were false gods who could not support the beliefs in them. The Judeo-Christian God is what we're looking for when we think of legend. The belief in the Christian God is a belief that is highly supported by historical documents in countless museums. The very fact that there are some billion followers who recognize the Christian God as truth is testament to His existence is substantially more noteworthy than the near zero people who still worship pagan deities.


hey, your point was that laws == morality. well, ok then...logically, the first civilization to form laws has the valid claim to being the 'moral foundation' of civilization.. so following your own logic, pagan gods/pagan laws are the basis for ALL civilized societies. doesn't it then follow that pagans have a better claim on being the 'moral foundation' of society?

I don't see how you're going to get outta this one.
 
2012-08-17 04:40:30 PM

Jackson Herring: mahuika: For Pete's sake, have you been a pre-school since we started adopting children from China? They're sharing toys.

my god it's worse than I had imagined :(


CSB:
I know a couple of church-going earnest imperial droids who adopted two kids from China (children with health defects, of course) on the pretext of providing them with a stable, secure home. Then they had a natural child of their own. Then you know what? They got divorced!
/Rimshot.
 
2012-08-17 04:40:32 PM

Peter_B_Risen: verbaltoxin: ghare: This is a thread where Republicans are concerned about jobs, right?

No this is the thread where a bunch of pro-choicers argue who is the most pro-choice of all. I believe the jobs bill thread is down the hall and to your left.

Well I believe that a woman has the right to terminate her child's life until it can survive on it's own. I'd say by like age 10 or so. Do I win the "most pro-choice" award?


Your comment made me laugh the most so far today, does that count?
 
2012-08-17 04:41:31 PM

HutchSFA: If you have a penis you really have no right to legislate to a woman about how her body.


I am pro-choice but that is one of the dumbest talking points ever made on the subject.
 
2012-08-17 04:42:29 PM

vernonFL: Jesus commands us to limit or eliminate healthcare access for poor women people.

Its the Christian thing to do.

 
2012-08-17 04:43:28 PM

HutchSFA: If you have a penis you really have no right to legislate to a woman about how her body.


Because even though it's been men who have advanced the medical field, they couldn't possibly know anything about the female reproductive organs. Most women can't even be bothered to use birth control methods when it is freely available, how can you possibly give them the responsibility of making a choice between carrying a child through its birth versus killing it? Abortion is a way for women to say that it's no big deal if they get pregnant because they can always just kill it if they decide it's not for them.
 
2012-08-17 04:44:04 PM

Peter_B_Risen: verbaltoxin: ghare: This is a thread where Republicans are concerned about jobs, right?

No this is the thread where a bunch of pro-choicers argue who is the most pro-choice of all. I believe the jobs bill thread is down the hall and to your left.

Well I believe that a woman has the right to terminate her child's life until it can survive on it's own. I'd say by like age 10 or so. Do I win the "most pro-choice" award?


I don't think a 10 ye old could survive alone. In fact I don't think anyone could really survive alone. Specially not while competing with 6 billion other loners. Therefore everyone can kill anyone for any reason. Ohmmeter actually this plan sounds alright.
 
2012-08-17 04:44:10 PM

verbaltoxin: lennavan: Corvus: So you are telling me most 39 day old fetus can survive ON IT'S OWN outside the womb with no medical help?

That was my comment. not with medical help.

There is no such thing as a 39 day old human fetus.

Okay, so what you're getting at is you would prefer to c-section a near-full term fetus rather than abort it, right? And then move it to the NICU since it'd be premature. I'm just trying to follow along here. Blind man in an orgy. Just feeling things out.


What I'm getting at was this original quote:

What right is that where the mother cannot make the decision to carry the fetus?

There is a time point at which we all agree the mother no longer has the right to make that decision. No one (really) is for aborting a 39 week old fetus. So you can stomp your feet super hard and make a really pouty face but we all agree after a certain point this "it's my body I do what I want with it" line is nonsense. Do whatever you want with your own body but you don't get to do whatever you want with that viable fetus' body.
 
2012-08-17 04:44:47 PM

lennavan: verbaltoxin: lennavan: Corvus: So you are telling me most 39 day old fetus can survive ON IT'S OWN outside the womb with no medical help?

That was my comment. not with medical help.

There is no such thing as a 39 day old human fetus.

Okay, so what you're getting at is you would prefer to c-section a near-full term fetus rather than abort it, right? And then move it to the NICU since it'd be premature. I'm just trying to follow along here. Blind man in an orgy. Just feeling things out.

What I'm getting at was this original quote:

What right is that where the mother cannot make the decision to carry the fetus?

There is a time point at which we all agree the mother no longer has the right to make that decision. No one (really) is for aborting a 39 week old fetus. So you can stomp your feet super hard and make a really pouty face but we all agree after a certain point this "it's my body I do what I want with it" line is nonsense. Do whatever you want with your own body but you don't get to do whatever you want with that viable fetus' body.



Oh and that quote wasn't from you, I didn't mean to suggest I thought it was. That was just why I posted the train of thought I did.
 
2012-08-17 04:44:53 PM

ignite ice: HutchSFA: If you have a penis you really have no right to legislate to a woman about how her body.

Because even though it's been men who have advanced the medical field, they couldn't possibly know anything about the female reproductive organs. Most women can't even be bothered to use birth control methods when it is freely available, how can you possibly give them the responsibility of making a choice between carrying a child through its birth versus killing it? Abortion is a way for women to say that it's no big deal if they get pregnant because they can always just kill it if they decide it's not for them.


OK, this is THE dumbest point in this thread, but I suspect he is trolling. No one is this dumb.
 
2012-08-17 04:45:06 PM

ignite ice: Weaver95: But the first laws were handed down by heathens and pagan gods, not the christian gods (who didn't happen along until MUCH later). so...basically you are saying that only pagans are moral?

You're confusing myths with legends. A myth is something that has no factual basis but has been accepted as a concept or idea. Myths are founded on the notion that they didn't happen. A legend is something that concerns a particular subset of historical, cultural value, and is considered accurate based on its acceptance. Pagan gods are a good example of myth. Countless people in the Bible worshiped pagan gods and it was well documented that these were false gods who could not support the beliefs in them. The Judeo-Christian God is what we're looking for when we think of legend. The belief in the Christian God is a belief that is highly supported by historical documents in countless museums. The very fact that there are some billion followers who recognize the Christian God as truth is testament to His existence is substantially more noteworthy than the near zero people who still worship pagan deities.


It's too bad Abram didn't stay in Ur worshiping his Moon god.

Despite the discovery of numerous inscriptions in the Ancient Near East, we have no references to the patriarch Abraham outside the biblical accounts. In fact, it is difficult for most scholars to even affix a precise date for his life.

Oh well...
 
2012-08-17 04:46:00 PM

lennavan: They don't. They both have to be weighed. No one is proposing killing the mother to save the fetus. Why on earth are you proposing killing the fetus to convenience the mother?


I'm not. I'm proposing it being up to the woman to make that decision since it is her body and her rights are not in question. And considering, as I just said, abortion is the safest option for the woman out of all of the available options (vaginal birth, c-section, abortion) by a significant margin, it isn't simply a matter of convenience. It is, in many cases, literally a matter of life or death for the woman.

Again, you have ignored the rights of the fetus. What are the chances of the fetus living and dying in each one?

I'm asking why the rights of the fetus should trump the rights of the woman.

It's fundamentally stupid. The medical field already has methods to determine whether something is alive or dead. We don't need to rehash it here.

Considering you have repeatedly described me as stupid, it stands to reason that it would significantly benefit my understanding of where you're coming from, and thus why you're right, if you would rehash it here. Why won't you?

This has to be about the stupidest conversation in the history of Fark.com. Seriously. You demand I define how hospitals determine whether or not something is alive/dead? Where the fark are you even going with this?

I want my 26 week old c-section baby, is it alive?
I don't want my 26 week old c-section baby, is it alive?

You think the way they determine it is different in these situations or what? Wow dude, just wow.


No, I'm trying to get you to describe for me what you know and how much you know so we can have a discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of your proposal. You seem incredibly resistant to that. I'm basically asking you to define the problem space and asking you to demonstrate to me why you're right. So far, you have simply countered that I am stupid for even asking you to explain to me why you're right. I am not simply going to take your word for it that you're right, just as if our situations were reversed you should certainly not simply take my word for it that I'm right.
 
2012-08-17 04:46:13 PM

HutchSFA: If you have a penis you really have no right to legislate to a woman about how her body.


That's nice, but once again, we don't live in a perfect world and so arguing perfect solutions isn't useful.

/If only persons who were affected by the legislation were allowed to create that legislation, what would be the purpose of seeking power and influence?
//It's also relevant that since I'm male, I'll never be having an abortion and so I shouldn't be allowed to decide such a matter -- women should have exclusive choice in the matter. But I'm not a power-hungry priest or politician, so what I think matters little.
 
2012-08-17 04:46:20 PM

QueenMamaBee: I just want to know why Republicans are so concerned with what goes into or comes out of my vajayjay.


Because there's a chance you might not manage your vajayjay properly, and it might cost someone money. So, you need someone else to manage your vajayjay for you, according to the party of small government, individual liberty, and personal freedom.
 
2012-08-17 04:46:52 PM

Kome: lennavan: I love that you think this is even relevant. It's totally cool to abort a viable fetus because c-sections might be expensive and/or we'd need more doctors. You sound just like the Republicans who are against universal health care because the waiting lines would be longer.

I genuinely do think it's relevant to consider the resources and staff available to a hospital when you are proposed a radical policy change. Whereas an abortion can be performed at a clinic, a c-section cannot.

You didn't know this but I don't fault you - many hospitals have a special section just for birthing shiat including their own dedicated operating room(s) just for c-sections.

Are those sufficient to handle the increased case load of c-sections that your policy recommendation would necessarily entail?



You hire more doctors and build more hospitals. You're arguing something should be legal because making it illegal might be inconvenient. It's like suggesting we should legalize theft because prisons are overcrowding. It's a stupid argument and you should feel bad about yourself for making it.
 
2012-08-17 04:48:12 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Oh good. A distracting debate on abortion instead of the glaringly obvious criticism on the lack of jobs bills from a House elected on a slogan of jobs jobs jobs.


If we start talking about jobs, then the conservative derp parade will arrive and blame our entire economic situation on Obama's support of Solyndra.
 
2012-08-17 04:50:33 PM

Doak: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So confused. Jezebel is often the worst of the Gawker sites in terms of derp, and yet, they are writing about people who are even derpier than they are.

Who do I despise in this situation?

What's wrong with Jezebel?


Other than they're basically an ad-supported derpy circle jerk? Nothing.
 
2012-08-17 04:51:23 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: [i.imgur.com image 850x601]


Jesus... that guy says some really cool things sometimes.
 
2012-08-17 04:52:17 PM

Kome: I'm not. I'm proposing it being up to the woman to make that decision since it is her body and her rights are not in question.


No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.

Kome: abortion is the safest option for the woman out of all of the available options (vaginal birth, c-section, abortion) by a significant margin, it isn't simply a matter of convenience. It is, in many cases, literally a matter of life or death for the woman.


I'm thinkin abortion isn't particularly safe for the fetus though, I dunno what do you think? That might also be a matter of life or death. I'm just throwin ideas out there.

Kome: No, I'm trying to get you to describe for me what you know and how much you know so we can have a discussion of the strengths and weaknesses of your proposal. You seem incredibly resistant to that. I'm basically asking you to define the problem space and asking you to demonstrate to me why you're right. So far, you have simply countered that I am stupid for even asking you to explain to me why you' ...


No no no, you're stupid for asking me to define how a doctor knows if something is alive or dead. What the actual definition and what metrics they use is irrelevant to the discussion. It really doesn't matter. If a doctor flipped a coin and heads meant it was alive that would suffice and have no bearing on the argument.
 
2012-08-17 04:52:51 PM

ignite ice: Abortion is a way for women to say that it's no big deal if they get pregnant because they can always just kill it if they decide it's not for them.


You mean like if she eats a Klondike Bar and doesn't feel so good later?
 
2012-08-17 04:54:31 PM

Kome: I'm not. I'm proposing it being up to the woman to make that decision since it is her body and her rights are not in question


To get to the heart of the matter - do you think it should be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus? Is that solely a decision about the woman, her rights and her body?
 
2012-08-17 04:56:12 PM

lennavan: No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.


The thing about that is, not so much.
 
2012-08-17 04:57:35 PM

jst3p: lennavan: No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.

The thing about that is, not so much.


Turns out, actually it is.
 
2012-08-17 04:57:51 PM

ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: Oh good. A distracting debate on abortion instead of the glaringly obvious criticism on the lack of jobs bills from a House elected on a slogan of jobs jobs jobs.

If we start talking about jobs, then the conservative derp parade will arrive and blame our entire economic situation on Obama's support of Solyndra.


All 23 of the republicans left on Fark?

Seriously, this site is now just full of a bunch of liberals bragging about how totally liberal they are.

Things have sure changed since I joined in 2004. 

/get off my lawn!
 
2012-08-17 04:58:53 PM

ImpendingCynic: QueenMamaBee: I just want to know why Republicans are so concerned with what goes into or comes out of my vajayjay.

Because there's a chance you might not manage your vajayjay properly, and it might cost someone money. So, you need someone else to manage your vajayjay for you, according to the party of small government, individual liberty, and personal freedom.


I'll hire my own personal vajayjay manager if it becomes that unruly.

//wonder if the bf would mind if I started calling him "Vajayjay manager"
 
2012-08-17 04:59:04 PM
/Thread jams its head up its own ass in frustration and stops breathing.
//Coroner is called.
///Credits roll.
 
2012-08-17 04:59:39 PM

Peter_B_Risen: If we start talking about jobs, then the conservative derp parade will arrive and blame our entire economic situation on Obama's support of Solyndra.

All 23 of the republicans left on Fark?


I didn't say it was a big parade. Any of those 23 is enough to thread-shiat.
 
2012-08-17 05:01:55 PM

Kome: Her personhood is not in question. Period. No one - liberal, conservative, Democrat, Republican, pro-choice, or anti-abortion - is saying outright that a pregnant woman is not a person.


Oh come on, whether or not they'd admit to it, you really think that modern Republicans consider women (pregnant or not) to be people? As far as they're concerned, we're nothing but subhuman foetus factories a la Every Sperm Is Sacred. :P
 
2012-08-17 05:02:00 PM

Peter_B_Risen:

Seriously, this site is now just full of a bunch of liberals bragging about how totally liberal they are./i>

no, fark is - if anything - fairly moderate. problem is, the GOP has become so extreme and so intolerant of any viewpoint not their own that most Republicans define anyone/anything different than themselves as 'liberal'.

makes it rather difficult to take them seriously.

 
2012-08-17 05:02:06 PM

wedun: oh wow i had ignite ice on ignore from a long time ago, before I stopped putting people on ignore.

I've had him on ignore for a long time. Hasn't done me much good in this thread.
 
2012-08-17 05:02:12 PM

lennavan: You hire more doctors and build more hospitals. You're arguing something should be legal because making it illegal might be inconvenient. It's like suggesting we should legalize theft because prisons are overcrowding. It's a stupid argument and you should feel bad about yourself for making it.


How do you do that, though? You need money to build more facilities, and you need more medical schools to train more physicians, surgeons, and nurses to staff those facilities, and you need money to build more medical schools to train more physicians, surgeons, and nurses, and you need more money pumped into primary and secondary education to both better educate more children to be able to becoming physicians, surgeons and nurses as well as to convince them to want to become a physician, surgeon, or nurse. That's a lot of money. How much money do you think would be necessary to do that? Where will we get that money? We could either cut spending in other domains or we could raise taxes, I suppose. Oh, and the time! It takes time to build hospitals and it takes time to advance through medical or nursing school. So how long of a time frame are we talking here before we are sufficiently staffed and resourced to be able to handle the changes? Eight years, I guess, at minimum, since that's the time it takes on average to graduate college and then go through medical school. Maybe more if you count residencies and internships... What do you think? Is 10 to 12 years a realistic estimate, or is it too optimistic?

lennavan: No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.


How is the woman's womb the fetus's body?

I'm thinkin abortion isn't particularly safe for the fetus though, I dunno what do you think? That might also be a matter of life or death. I'm just throwin ideas out there.

Hypothetically, I have an incredibly rare blood type that can be used in transfusions for a portion of the population that is far greater than the portion of the population that has my blood type. Should I be required to give my blood because it will be used in medical procedures (and research!) that could save thousands of lives? My life is not at all at risk by giving blood, and it really is a matter of life and death for all those patients. Should I legally be required to be temporarily inconvenienced by a few hours? What about my right to choose not to give my blood?

And is that above hypothetical so dramatically different that you would consider having a different set of legal requirements for pregnancy?

No no no, you're stupid for asking me to define how a doctor knows if something is alive or dead. What the actual definition and what metrics they use is irrelevant to the discussion. It really doesn't matter. If a doctor flipped a coin and heads meant it was alive that would suffice and have no bearing on the argument.

Why do you refuse to want to teach me what you know? If a physician did in fact flip coins to determine alive versus not alive, I think that would be equally as germane to this attempt at a discussion as whatever metrics they use currently (which you still haven't explained to me). If I'm being stupid, please consider this a plea to teach and educate me. I am asking you to share with me your knowledge.
 
2012-08-17 05:02:24 PM
Rape wands for some...tiny American flags for the rest.
i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-17 05:02:35 PM
dammit. liberals stole my italics tag.
 
2012-08-17 05:05:14 PM

Peter_B_Risen: ImpendingCynic: Soup4Bonnie: Oh good. A distracting debate on abortion instead of the glaringly obvious criticism on the lack of jobs bills from a House elected on a slogan of jobs jobs jobs.

If we start talking about jobs, then the conservative derp parade will arrive and blame our entire economic situation on Obama's support of Solyndra.

All 23 of the republicans left on Fark?

Seriously, this site is now just full of a bunch of liberals bragging about how totally liberal they are.

Things have sure changed since I joined in 2004. 

/get off my lawn!


Republicans leaving Fark is based on Scripture.

lh4.ggpht.com

"Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing. "

/Well, one out of two ain't bad
 
2012-08-17 05:05:41 PM

Kome: Where will we get that money?


What does it even matter dude? Wow this is a really farking stupid line of argument. Abortion should be legal because it's expensive otherwise? Man that's stupid.

Kome: How is the woman's womb the fetus's body?


How is the fetus' body the woman's womb?

Again I'll ask - should it be legal for a woman to abort a 39 week old fetus?
 
2012-08-17 05:07:20 PM

lennavan: Kome: I'm not. I'm proposing it being up to the woman to make that decision since it is her body and her rights are not in question

To get to the heart of the matter - do you think it should be legal to abort a 39 week old fetus? Is that solely a decision about the woman, her rights and her body?


I do, but only in stand your ground states. In ones that still have duty to retreat she has a duty to retreat once its possible to(in this case, at the point where it wont die anyway once she's no longer wrapped around it) before that she of course has every right to kill the intruder in body.
 
2012-08-17 05:07:37 PM

lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.

The thing about that is, not so much.

Turns out, actually it is.


The fetus is a parasite. So tecnically you are correct, it is the fetus body but the fetus has about the same level of say in what goes on.
 
2012-08-17 05:08:37 PM

jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.

The thing about that is, not so much.

Turns out, actually it is.

The fetus is a parasite. So tecnically you are correct, it is the fetus body but the fetus has about the same level of say in what goes on as a tapeworm.

 
2012-08-17 05:09:36 PM

ignite ice: derp


I think we found the illegitimate love child of Tats & Skinnyhead.
 
2012-08-17 05:12:38 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Blue_Blazer: The local health Dept wanted to give my wife the ol' rape wand when she asked for birth control. She told them where to stick it.
I then asked the lady if she was advocating binge drinking as effective BC.

Well I guess you showed them, those dirty abortioning socialist health departmentalists.
And to think, your tax dollars pay them to insult you like that.

2/10


Are you rating yourself? Otherwise you might want to reread my post. Or perhaps the error in communication is mine.

To be clear, she declined to be raped by the state just to get BC. That's when I asked about binge drinking. Not sure how you figure I'm trolling, this is a cool story, bro, and it actually happened.
 
2012-08-17 05:14:20 PM

jst3p: lennavan: jst3p: lennavan: No it isn't. It's her body and it's the fetus' body.

The thing about that is, not so much.

Turns out, actually it is.

The fetus is a parasite. So tecnically you are correct, it is the fetus body but the fetus has about the same level of say in what goes on.


A two day old baby also fits your definition of parasite, yet I imagine you're not in favor of aborting two day old babies.
 
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