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2012-08-17 12:41:31 PM
Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.
 
2012-08-17 12:43:46 PM
They're fixing the economy by supporting coat hanger manufacturers.
 
2012-08-17 12:48:15 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


This is a good point.

Though I would have to qualify that by saying it's absent any understanding of science, relies on some sort of horseshiat cartesian dualism the rest of the world debunked about five centuries ago and awash with hideous unintended consequences and could only be supported by a dangerously deranged fool that is deliberately ignorant.
 
2012-08-17 12:53:28 PM
Perry's antics have already caused more than 60 women's health clinics to shut down. Forty-eight of those do not provide abortion care services and are completely unaffiliated with Planned Parenthood

Yeah, fark you, Perry.
 
2012-08-17 01:02:39 PM
Guys, guys, guys.

This "war on women" is just a fantasy invented by Democrats.
 
2012-08-17 01:04:30 PM
So confused. Jezebel is often the worst of the Gawker sites in terms of derp, and yet, they are writing about people who are even derpier than they are.

Who do I despise in this situation?
 
2012-08-17 01:05:50 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-17 01:06:07 PM

Tigger: ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.

This is a good point.

Though I would have to qualify that by saying it's absent any understanding of science, relies on some sort of horseshiat cartesian dualism the rest of the world debunked about five centuries ago and awash with hideous unintended consequences and could only be supported by a dangerously deranged fool that is deliberately ignorant.


Not to mention that his idea of what the waiting-to-be adopted population in the US is like flies in the face of reality.

Sure, if you're egotistical enough to NEED an infant or toddler when you adopt, you might have to look elsewhere, but if you're looking to adopt, there's plenty of kids in the US who want families.
 
2012-08-17 01:13:39 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


Nice troll. You are bound to get a few bites. 

/every sperm is sacred
 
2012-08-17 01:14:52 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


but...which is the bigger concern - abortion or the economy? personally, I don't care if a woman gets an abortion or not. I care a hell of a lot about being unemployed though. lets fix that first, then we can worry about the social theocracy/control issues of the religious right.
 
2012-08-17 01:17:31 PM
Republicanism in the 21st century: Women are less valuable than fetuses.
 
2012-08-17 01:17:56 PM

hillbillypharmacist: ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.

[i291.photobucket.com image 425x983]


i've always loved this graphic. it frames the issue clearer than just about anything else i've seen.
 
2012-08-17 01:22:40 PM

Kome: Republicanism in the 21st century: Women are less valuable than fetuses.


GOP policy on this is very inconsistent. On one hand - abortions are bad, so they cut funding for planned parenthood under the theory that doing so would make economically disadvantaged women bear more children. But on the other hand, by forcing women to bear children, the GOP is also going to make 'anchor babies' more likely among immigrants - and the Republicans *hate* anchor babies.

so could the GOP at least be consistent?
 
2012-08-17 01:36:39 PM

thomps: hillbillypharmacist: ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.

[i291.photobucket.com image 425x983]

i've always loved this graphic. it frames the issue clearer than just about anything else i've seen.


Yeah, but the original poster pretty much admitted that he doesn't like the idea of women having sex he doesn't approve of.
 
2012-08-17 01:54:17 PM

ignite ice: If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


And thanks to conservative republicans and their ilk, it's now more difficult for lower-income women to access OB/GYN care before, during, and after pregnancy.
 
2012-08-17 01:54:39 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


You are now officially troll colored, you magnificent bastard.
 
2012-08-17 02:41:11 PM
Nothing shames me more about America than the fact that the GOP is still not only viable, but dominant in much of the country.

WTF is wrong with you people? Do you miss the pre-Enlightenment that much?
 
2012-08-17 02:47:45 PM
Guys, this IS about JOBS. Blow jobs, hand jobs... If you scare women by taking away contraception or abortion rights, they'll have to be job creators to keep the men in their lives happy.
 
2012-08-17 02:48:10 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Nothing shames me more about America than the fact that the GOP is still not only viable, but dominant in much of the country.

WTF is wrong with you people? Do you miss the pre-Enlightenment that much?


Stockholm and/or battered wife syndrome. It's all I can guess. That or people took to "losing the game" so hard that they doubled-down on their efforts to ensure their team won the next go-round instead of crafting a newer, better team.
 
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2012-08-17 02:58:01 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


If an undeveloped fetus actually was a child you would have a good point, but it isn't, and more than an acorn is an oak tree. Obviously a fetus shouldn't be considered a person until it has developed into one.

If you are going to look at potential you might as well consider unfertilized eggs and sperm as people.

Or to put it another way, your opinion is nothing but an opinion.
 
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2012-08-17 03:05:39 PM

Kome: Republicanism in the 21st century: Women are less valuable than fetuses.


Why do the stop caring about these living entities after birth?

It seems to me that the abortion issue is more about having a way to return fire when someone criticizes tie right for it inhumane policies. It's sort of like then "race card" argument.
 
2012-08-17 03:10:26 PM

Runs_With_Scissors_: Nice troll. You are bound to get a few bites.


Why is that a troll? This is what pro-lifers actually believe.

...and why trolling is farking retarded to begin with.
 
2012-08-17 03:23:57 PM

Mugato: Runs_With_Scissors_: Nice troll. You are bound to get a few bites.

Why is that a troll? This is what pro-lifers actually believe.

...and why trolling is farking retarded to begin with.


Yes many times now people are just calling people "trolls" when they don't want to actually deal with the point being made.
 
2012-08-17 03:24:52 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.



Why does an unborn and undeveloped fetus have a "right to life?"

What right is that where the mother cannot make the decision to carry the fetus?

Stop calling it a child, it isn't.

But I do love how conservatives are so compassionate, until the child is born then it better get off its lazy welfare loving ass and work. Plus no free health care for it either.
 
2012-08-17 03:25:28 PM
Guys... the fact that ignite ice is posting to attract flames rather than being serious is right there in his handle. While he's hilarious, is it really necessary to feed him that much?
 
2012-08-17 03:29:17 PM

ignite ice: If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


Huh, if only there were some kind of program that could help people - women, say - get access to medicine that could help avoid unplanned pregnancies from unprotected sex. Could we call them sluts for it? Would that be a fair exchange?

Face it, people have been having pre-marital, unprotected sex for millenia. You can't stop it, so the next best thing is to try to mitigate the effects - and sex education and birth control are two of the best ways. Demonizing people for being human is never an effective strategy.
 
2012-08-17 03:30:49 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


During the first trimester it more closely resembles the grubs you poison in your lawn every spring.

SAVE THE GRUBS!!!!!

/Seriously, keep faith based positions out of my reality based existence
 
2012-08-17 03:31:12 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


Beautifully put. Thank you.
 
2012-08-17 03:32:43 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


Judas Priest.
/0/10
 
2012-08-17 03:32:57 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: So confused. Jezebel is often the worst of the Gawker sites in terms of derp, and yet, they are writing about people who are even derpier than they are.

Who do I despise in this situation?


Jezebel almost makes me want to be pro-life. Almost.
 
2012-08-17 03:33:12 PM
oh wow i had ignite ice on ignore from a long time ago, before I stopped putting people on ignore.
 
2012-08-17 03:33:59 PM

intelligent comment below: But I do love how conservatives are so compassionate, until the child is born then it better get off its lazy welfare loving ass and work. Plus no free health care for it either.


And a chance to serve in permawars in one of several countries.
Or the TSA.
 
2012-08-17 03:34:08 PM

intelligent comment below: Stop calling it a child, it isn't.


What? How can you be so obtuse? Just look at this cutie-pie:

www.bubtree.com.au

He/she has his/her mother's eyes! Maybe.
 
2012-08-17 03:34:42 PM
Because the best way to save money is to control a womans vagina...

Agrees

wo-ad.com
 
2012-08-17 03:35:24 PM

intelligent comment below: Why does an unborn and undeveloped fetus have a "right to life?"


So you have no idea what a fetus is. Okay.

intelligent comment below: What right is that where the mother cannot make the decision to carry the fetus?


So you think the only possible way to decide not to carry a fetus is to abort it. There are no alternatives. Okay.

intelligent comment below: But I do love how conservatives are so compassionate, until the child is born then it better get off its lazy welfare loving ass and work. Plus no free health care for it either.


I fail to see how the process of being squeezed out of a cooch changes you from not deserving of life to suddenly full rights and protections. Perhaps you could enlighten me and provide specific times or guidelines so we know when the fetus gains its rights in other situations like c-sections and stuff. Thanks.

/really my point here is you're just as stupid as the person you mock, who by the way had his tongue actually protruding through his cheek as he posted
 
2012-08-17 03:36:37 PM

Lionel Mandrake: intelligent comment below: Stop calling it a child, it isn't.

What? How can you be so obtuse? Just look at this cutie-pie:

[www.bubtree.com.au image 346x369]

He/she has his/her mother's eyes! Maybe.


That's not a fetus, that is an embryo. Words have meaning.
 
2012-08-17 03:37:03 PM

Elandriel: Stockholm and/or battered wife syndrome. It's all I can guess. That or people took to "losing the game" so hard that they doubled-down on their efforts to ensure their team won the next go-round instead of crafting a newer, better team.


And inbreeding, combined with a large scoop of xenophobia, plus the usual religious delusions.
 
2012-08-17 03:37:47 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


Yeah, but 8 in 10 of you don't want to let kids know that condoms even exist, much less estiblish any sort of social support structure for mothers with unplanned children so why don't fark right off and come back when you feel read to peddle something other than misery and pain, asshole.
 
2012-08-17 03:38:05 PM
Republicoonts!
 
2012-08-17 03:38:38 PM

lennavan: intelligent comment below: Why does an unborn and undeveloped fetus have a "right to life?"

So you have no idea what a fetus is. Okay.

intelligent comment below: What right is that where the mother cannot make the decision to carry the fetus?

So you think the only possible way to decide not to carry a fetus is to abort it. There are no alternatives. Okay.

intelligent comment below: But I do love how conservatives are so compassionate, until the child is born then it better get off its lazy welfare loving ass and work. Plus no free health care for it either.

I fail to see how the process of being squeezed out of a cooch changes you from not deserving of life to suddenly full rights and protections. Perhaps you could enlighten me and provide specific times or guidelines so we know when the fetus gains its rights in other situations like c-sections and stuff. Thanks.

/really my point here is you're just as stupid as the person you mock, who by the way had his tongue actually protruding through his cheek as he posted




No brainstem, no problem.

Anyway, this has little to do with the fact that the GOP is trying to deny women access to birth control, which some women are prescribed to take for health reasons, and birth control would reduce the number of abortions.
 
2012-08-17 03:39:17 PM

ignite ice: China of all places


the fark is that supposed to mean
 
2012-08-17 03:39:32 PM

lennavan: So you have no idea what a fetus is. Okay.



I don't need to, science tells me

lennavan: So you think the only possible way to decide not to carry a fetus is to abort it. There are no alternatives. Okay.


There are many choices, and that is up to the mother herself to decide

lennavan: I fail to see how the process of being squeezed out of a cooch changes you from not deserving of life to suddenly full rights and protections. Perhaps you could enlighten me and provide specific times or guidelines so we know when the fetus gains its rights in other situations like c-sections and stuff. Thanks.



Well I think we should ask the child how it wants to be born, since it suddenly is a child the second after conception.

lennavan: /really my point here is you're just as stupid as the person you mock, who by the way had his tongue actually protruding through his cheek as he posted



No, your point here is to start an argument with an absurd point just like the troll I responded to, who parroted an actual view held by conservatives
 
2012-08-17 03:39:35 PM
Really, really hope Democrats come out in such force on Election Day that Republicans basically decide to devour each other post-Election Day.

Never have I wished to nail one of these members of the Republic of Derpistan with a crowbar upside the head as I have now.
 
2012-08-17 03:40:33 PM

doyner: Guys, this IS about JOBS. Blow jobs, hand jobs... If you scare women by taking away contraception or abortion rights, they'll have to be job creators to keep the men in their lives happy.


what about foot jobs, ear jobs, and steve jobs
 
2012-08-17 03:40:48 PM

ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.


I'll just leave this here.

Do They Really Believe Abortion Is Murder?

So what motivates pro-lifers: the belief that women should be forced to face consequences for having sex, or the belief that abortion is exactly like child murder? Let's review:


Huh..."forced to face consequences..."

ignite ice: If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex,

How odd. It's like he fits nicely into the former, rather than the latter rationale for banning abortion.

Tell us, ignite ice, since abortion is murder, what penalties should the doctor and mother receive? I hope life in prison is an option for a mother who goes on to have another one.

And obviously a doctor who performs the procedure several times should get the chair, just like any other mass murderer.

Right?
 
2012-08-17 03:41:38 PM

Tigger: ignite ice: Pro Life has almost nothing to do with "God's supervision" and more to do with an unborn child still being a living entity that has a right to life. Age should not be a determination for whether or not a child can be legally murdered. There are thousands of families waiting to adopt and they literally are adopting children from China of all places because everyone in this country has near zero morality when it comes to following through on the consequences of one's actions. If you're going to have pre-marital, unprotected sex, then you should be held accountable for seeing through your child's health, and that includes seeing through its birth and its chance at life.

This is a good point.

Though I would have to qualify that by saying it's absent any understanding of science, relies on some sort of horseshiat cartesian dualism the rest of the world debunked about five centuries ago and awash with hideous unintended consequences and could only be supported by a dangerously deranged fool that is deliberately ignorant.


I'd buy that argument, I really could IF the republican party wasn't passing laws that close non-abortion providing health clinics and suppressing BC and sex ed. Most of the health clinics that closed in Texas didn't provide abortions.

If you REALLY want to prevent abortions, you'd have a clinic on every corner giving out free BC and sex education. The republican party fought HARD to allow insurance companies to deny women their BC pills.

Pregnancy is a form of coercion in abusive relationships (keeping the victim dependent on them) and many rapes go un-reported. That alone, to a caring person, should be enough to keep abortion free and legal. Not to mention the number of women that die and suffer health problems do to back alley abortionists.

Don't even get me started on Jan Brewster's anti-abortion law that has no exception clause for rape, incest, deformity, or threat to the mother. Because forcing a woman to wait months to give birth to a baby that will die in minutes due to severe deformities is the compassionate way to do things.
 
2012-08-17 03:41:43 PM

Weaver95: Kome: Republicanism in the 21st century: Women are less valuable than fetuses.

GOP policy on this is very inconsistent. On one hand - abortions are bad, so they cut funding for planned parenthood under the theory that doing so would make economically disadvantaged women bear more children. But on the other hand, by forcing women to bear children, the GOP is also going to make 'anchor babies' more likely among immigrants - and the Republicans *hate* anchor babies.

so could the GOP at least be consistent?


Would that be along the lines of the GOP caring deeply about the unborn fetus, but once it's born, "fark it, it's on it's own?"
 
2012-08-17 03:43:33 PM
10/10. Superb. Would read again.
 
2012-08-17 03:44:51 PM

intelligent comment below: lennavan: So you have no idea what a fetus is. Okay.


I don't need to, science tells me


You should listen to science then. Fetuses are pretty farking developed.

intelligent comment below: lennavan: So you think the only possible way to decide not to carry a fetus is to abort it. There are no alternatives. Okay.

There are many choices, and that is up to the mother herself to decide


Can a mother decide whether a two day old baby lives or dies? What about a 39 week old fetus? What is so magical about what happens in between those time points?

intelligent comment below: Well I think we should ask the child how it wants to be born, since it suddenly is a child the second after conception.


Your non answer demonstrates you clearly have not thought this through well enough. That's fine, snark away, just recognize it and maybe spend some time thinking about it.

intelligent comment below: No, your point here is to start an argument with an absurd point just like the troll I responded to, who parroted an actual view held by conservatives


No, my point was to show you how poorly thought through and stupid your response is. Clearly you think there is something relevant or important about birth because after it I imagine you would give a just born baby full rights to live. I imagine you would be outraged if the mother abused the baby or decided to simply never feed it and it starved to death. I may be wrong, so by all means correct me if so. But prior to birth, she can do whatever she wants. What is so special about before and after birth that makes it that way? Do you even know or are you just super pouty mad stomp your feet sure?
 
2012-08-17 03:44:54 PM
Jesus commands us to limit or eliminate healthcare access for poor women.

Its the Christian thing to do.
 
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