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(Beatweek Magazine)   Ballot evidence suggests Ron Paul planning to run as third party candidate   (beatweek.com) divider line 86
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2012-08-17 10:52:31 AM
Pretty sure Romney is already sunk but if Ron gets into the mix he's baked.
 
2012-08-17 10:53:43 AM
There's a difference between followers who just can't let it go and Ron Paul actually making a sincere effort to get on the ballot.

But putting him on the ballot in Washington will accomplish nothing. Put him on the ballot in some swing states and then you'll hear some serious wailing and gnashing of teeth.
 
2012-08-17 10:53:55 AM
At least Mitt will have someone to blame the loss on.
 
2012-08-17 10:55:25 AM

Marcus Aurelius: At least Mitt will have someone to blame the loss on.


Fair enough. I don't feel bad about giving Ralph Nader a share of the blame for 2000. Not a large share, but definitely one of the many things that had to go wrong (and did).
 
2012-08-17 10:56:16 AM
paul's getting pretty old. maybe he's thinking of retiring from congress and making his name a cottage industry like sarah palin did. his mindless followers can support him for the rest of his life.
 
2012-08-17 10:57:59 AM
The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.
 
2012-08-17 11:05:58 AM
not gonna happen
 
2012-08-17 11:12:13 AM
This would hurt both candidates. How much and in what distribution, I'm not sure.
 
2012-08-17 11:13:09 AM
Tell me more, Blog Guy.
 
2012-08-17 11:19:58 AM
I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.
 
2012-08-17 11:21:59 AM

Aarontology: The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.


RON PAUL 08!
 
2012-08-17 11:22:46 AM

GAT_00: I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.


you're in tennessee? yeah, vote green. it'll go overwhelmingly for romney anyway.
 
2012-08-17 11:25:24 AM
no way he would do it. first off his son needs the RNC money. secondly Adelson,Koch and others would pay him not to. besides isn't it too late to get on the ballots?
 
2012-08-17 11:27:06 AM

FlashHarry: GAT_00: I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.

you're in tennessee? yeah, vote green. it'll go overwhelmingly for romney anyway.


And i just checked, they are on the ballot here. So yeah.

I do have to say, that if Paul does run and Tennessee becomes toss-up, I'll have to vote for Obama, just because I'll hurt myself laughing if Tennessee could flip.
 
2012-08-17 11:33:19 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: RON PAUL 08!


Linear time isn't in the Constitution!
 
2012-08-17 11:34:12 AM

Aarontology: The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.


The article's author is against RP.
 
2012-08-17 11:35:02 AM

FlashHarry: GAT_00: I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.

you're in tennessee? yeah, vote green. it'll go overwhelmingly for romney anyway.


Obama is running ads on Chattanooga tv so I'm thinking the democrats must at least think it's somewhat in play.
 
2012-08-17 11:42:27 AM

Krymson Tyde: FlashHarry: GAT_00: I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.

you're in tennessee? yeah, vote green. it'll go overwhelmingly for romney anyway.

Obama is running ads on Chattanooga tv so I'm thinking the democrats must at least think it's somewhat in play.


Nate Silver has it marked as a 99.4% chance of a Romney win.
 
2012-08-17 11:46:15 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Aarontology: The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.

The article's author is against RP.


Yeah, but he's still talking about RON PAUL as if he's going to be the Libertarian nominee. He isn't.
 
2012-08-17 11:51:43 AM

Krymson Tyde: FlashHarry: GAT_00: I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.

you're in tennessee? yeah, vote green. it'll go overwhelmingly for romney anyway.

Obama is running ads on Chattanooga tv so I'm thinking the democrats must at least think it's somewhat in play.


probably just national ads that just happen to carry over
 
2012-08-17 11:54:50 AM
Forever alone....
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2012-08-17 11:58:33 AM

Aarontology: PC LOAD LETTER: Aarontology: The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.

The article's author is against RP.

Yeah, but he's still talking about RON PAUL as if he's going to be the Libertarian nominee. He isn't.


I agree. I think the author doesn't know what Libertarians are.
 
2012-08-17 12:04:12 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-17 12:09:47 PM

Quasar: This would hurt both candidates. How much and in what distribution, I'm not sure.


I can't imagine that it's true. People who are voting for President Obama aren't going to vote for RON PAUL. They're completely different.

The Rmoney vote is more of an Not-Obama vote. They'd vote for anyone who might be able to beat Obama. I think it would hurt Rmoney.
 
2012-08-17 12:10:31 PM
No, just no. He should shake up the convention and if that fails, throw his support behind Gary Johnson (who is more libertarian-leaning that Ron Paul...Ron Paul is a Republican than leans libertarian on some issues).
 
2012-08-17 12:25:04 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Aarontology: PC LOAD LETTER: Aarontology: The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.

The article's author is against RP.

Yeah, but he's still talking about RON PAUL as if he's going to be the Libertarian nominee. He isn't.

I agree. I think the author doesn't know what Libertarians are.


Neither do most libertarians.

You know why RON PAUL won't run as an independent?
BECAUSE HE'S A FARKIN' REPUBLICAN.
 
2012-08-17 12:25:58 PM

FishyFred: There's a difference between followers who just can't let it go and Ron Paul actually making a sincere effort to get on the ballot.

But putting him on the ballot in Washington will accomplish nothing.


I disagree. It won't change the outcome of the 2012 Presidential elections, but because of some of the rules we have here, it could have effects on whether or not the GOP qualifies as a majority party in 2014.
 
2012-08-17 12:45:35 PM

Bontesla: Quasar: This would hurt both candidates. How much and in what distribution, I'm not sure.

I can't imagine that it's true. People who are voting for President Obama aren't going to vote for RON PAUL. They're completely different.

The Rmoney vote is more of an Not-Obama vote. They'd vote for anyone who might be able to beat Obama. I think it would hurt Rmoney.


As things stand I assume I'll vote for Obama (I'm sure as hell not voting for Mittens), but if RON PAUL happens to wind up on the ballot I might consider voting for him just for the lulz (not that I'm a fan, though I certainly don't dislike the crazy old dude and I enjoy listening to his rants). Of course, I live in California--a state that Fartbongo will undoubtedly win by double-digits no matter how I vote--so my vote is a throwaway. If I lived in a swing state, I'd definitely vote for Obama.
 
2012-08-17 12:53:23 PM

Cyberluddite: Of course, I live in California--a state that Fartbongo will undoubtedly win by double-digits no matter how I vote--so my vote is a throwaway.


Not for nothing, but if a significant number of voters think that way it could turn out to be problematic.
 
2012-08-17 12:59:20 PM

Bontesla: Quasar: This would hurt both candidates. How much and in what distribution, I'm not sure.

I can't imagine that it's true. People who are voting for President Obama aren't going to vote for RON PAUL. They're completely different.

The Rmoney vote is more of an Not-Obama vote. They'd vote for anyone who might be able to beat Obama. I think it would hurt Rmoney.


If Paul runs, I might feel confident enough that Romney will lose that I might vote for Jill Stein. It's a tricky calculation, and I wouldn't make it for sure until November.
 
2012-08-17 01:15:39 PM
RON PAUL
 
2012-08-17 01:17:30 PM
The whole thing is moot, because Obama's going to win Washington State regardless of how it pans out.
 
2012-08-17 01:18:50 PM
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I'm RON PAUL!!! 
\really should be "schmelting"
 
2012-08-17 01:20:53 PM
Romney is a bit of a long shot as it stands. Paul would make it an impossibility.

But don't think Ron Paul will. I suspect he will leverage his block of die-hard support for platform concessions in exchange for an endorsement and maybe some consideration toward advancing Rand Paul's political stature.
 
2012-08-17 01:21:07 PM
He'd be stupid to do it. He'd do so much damage to his son's career in politics that he'd never win again, especially if Obamma does win in Nov. He'd be the guy whose dad gave Obammy his second term.
It's over, Ron. Get over it and join the team.
 
2012-08-17 01:21:44 PM

xynix: Pretty sure Romney is already sunk but if Ron gets into the mix he's baked.




Granting Obama victory already? Check twice, a conservative group is launching a swift boat campaing arguing that Obama is taking undue credit for the death of bin Laden.

/check and mate
 
2012-08-17 01:23:36 PM
He would be a better choice than Tweedle-D or Tweedle-R.

  malvasiabianca.org
 
2012-08-17 01:32:36 PM
He's doing no such thing. It's just that his supporters are crazy people.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:24 PM
Stopped reading here: only percents which traditionally vote republican can show up early.
 
2012-08-17 01:34:23 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-17 01:34:45 PM
 
2012-08-17 01:35:20 PM

Quasar: Krymson Tyde: FlashHarry: GAT_00: I hope he does it. You know, for the lulz.

And I'd say that no matter what he does to the polls. I'm voting Green if I can in November anyway.

you're in tennessee? yeah, vote green. it'll go overwhelmingly for romney anyway.

Obama is running ads on Chattanooga tv so I'm thinking the democrats must at least think it's somewhat in play.

Nate Silver has it marked as a 99.4% chance of a Romney win.


So.....he's not sure? Look, if he's not sure, he should just say so.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:08 PM
Why does everyone think this is a bad move for the Republicans? Romney is probably going to lose based on every metric I have seen and I don't see a real scandal coming out of the Obama administration. The only thing up for grabs is the House and Senate. Ron running will guarantee an Obama presidency, but it will also get the more right leaning voters to the polls overall and they will all vote for fringe right wing candidates in the Congressional elections. Paul Ryan will have a perfect excuse for losing and will now be a national figure for 2016. Etc. Even if it looks kind of bad for them, they have a very talented propaganda machine to spin it the way they want it.
 
2012-08-17 01:38:34 PM

FloydA: it could have effects on whether or not the GOP qualifies as a majority party in 2014.


Didn't that almost happen in Colo, thanks to that weird guy who tried to tank the race and throw it to the third party? Whatever happened with that? I assume they had to scramble around to fix it.
 
2012-08-17 01:43:36 PM
I don't really care who ends up as an independent on the ballot, I will probably be voting for them in November. Sure as heck not voting for the major parties
 
2012-08-17 01:44:28 PM
Beatweek Magazine?

/Sounds legit
 
2012-08-17 01:45:02 PM
Even Ron Paul wants Obama to win!
 
2012-08-17 01:45:11 PM

pdee: He would be a better choice than Tweedle-D or Tweedle-R.



This, although I'm not terribly frightened at the thought of another 4 years under Obama. I'd just like to see both R's and D's forced into a timeout.
 
2012-08-17 02:00:34 PM

Aarontology: The Libertarians already have a nominee: Gary Johnson

Yet his name was not at all mentioned in the article, just more RON PAUL nonsense.


Exactly.

I could definitely see this as a ploy to get Romney out of the way for Johnson in Washington state in the hopes that maybe, possibly, if they are lucky, they could win the state. That won't really help either Obama or Romney, but it would help the Libertarian party with them being able to say that a 3rd party is viable, look, we even got electoral votes for our candidate in the last presidential election!
 
2012-08-17 02:00:40 PM

Kome: Cyberluddite: Of course, I live in California--a state that Fartbongo will undoubtedly win by double-digits no matter how I vote--so my vote is a throwaway.

Not for nothing, but if a significant number of voters think that way it could turn out to be problematic.


Tragedy of the commons
 
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