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(Rolling Stone)   Paul Ryan: My favorite band is Rage Against the Machine. Guitarist: That's like Charles Manson saying his favorite band is the Beatles   (rollingstone.com) divider line 73
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2012-08-17 09:44:54 AM  
7 votes:
i'm guessing ryan loves RATM because it's "awesome to work out to." i'm also guessing he's never actually read any of their lyrics.
2012-08-17 11:27:16 AM  
4 votes:

Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.


I think it's because RATM doesn't seem like a band someone like Paul Ryan (or his followers) would listen to. RATM are rather political, and their politics are decidedly not right-oriented, so that adds a level of WTF to the whole thing. Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.
2012-08-17 11:27:01 AM  
4 votes:

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music


Then you'd expect a comment like "I'm not into their politics, but those guys rock." When a politician chooses a band with a political message as his/her favorite band, there are usually only two explanations: 1) they like the music and the message, or 2) they like the music and they don't understand the message.
2012-08-17 10:56:17 AM  
4 votes:
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams (x8)


That was sarcasm, Mr. Ryan.
2012-08-17 01:36:24 PM  
3 votes:
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Paul Ryan is more interested in sound than substance.
2012-08-17 11:21:56 AM  
3 votes:
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta farkin' bullet in ya head

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
2012-08-17 11:14:22 AM  
3 votes:
Some of those that oppose taxes, are the same that ask for stimulus money
2012-08-17 09:52:45 AM  
3 votes:
I always pictured Manson to be more of a Beach Boys fan.
2012-08-17 09:36:03 AM  
3 votes:
Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?
2012-08-17 02:59:06 PM  
2 votes:

Spade: Oh, wow. He just does so much. Look at all that money he donates. Why, he donates so much his net worth is still in the tens of millions! What a noble sacrifice


Every rich person that opposes Republicans need to give all their money away, or they're hypocrites.

Also, this conveniently makes sure there is no one left with money to oppose Republicans.
2012-08-17 02:38:32 PM  
2 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


What if he used his money to found a non-profit group to work towards social justice - would that be okay? I can't find a link to the episode where his quadrillion-dollar mansion was featured on 'Cribs', so if you could pass that along I would appreciate it.

But that's me falling into the same old trap - look: NOBODY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T BE RICH. Okay? Really, what 99% of people of 'lib-tards' are saying is that you should just A. Not get rich by completely farking over your fellow man, and B. Once rich, not immediately begin farking over your fellow man

Mitt Romney driving companies into bankruptcy to pocket some cash violates A.
Paul Ryan lowering the tax rate on billionaires by raising it on everyone else violates B.
2012-08-17 02:36:51 PM  
2 votes:
Everyone here seems convinced that Ran is either not listening to the lyrics or is clueless about the politics of the band. I think it's more likely (and scarier) to think that he's aware of the band's activist and revolutionary stance, but is recasting it in his head so that he and his fellow Randian "individualists" are fighting against the crushing conformity and soul-destroying, life-sucking power of the Democrat(ic) party, voting-rights activists and Keynsian economic theories. He's the hero in his head.
2012-08-17 02:00:42 PM  
2 votes:
RATM to release an anti Ryan song in 3, 2, 1....
2012-08-17 01:50:46 PM  
2 votes:
For the "it's just music" people, the difference is that Ryan is a political figure running for prominent office, and has publicly proclaimed his enthusiasm for this band. He doesn't have the luxury of making a distinction between the music and the message because in the public eye a politician co-opts the attitudes of most things he or she professes to like. And don't think they don't have a coterie of calculating advisors and image consultants.

So, yes, he's a dork.
2012-08-17 01:49:13 PM  
2 votes:

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.


And only a total farking asshole sociopath would look at the system that had helped that earn all that money and decide that it just wasn't skewed enough in their own favor.

Some people can be successful and still want to help those that aren't. Just not people like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
2012-08-17 01:45:48 PM  
2 votes:

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


I see what you're saying, but at the same time if a band is *so* political, and so out there to the left it's pretty impossible to ignore their message (I'm a libby lib myself and a RATM fan but even I don't fully agree with them). If there was a conservative equivalent, even if I loved their sound and style at most I might enjoy a song or two, but no way in hell could I claim them as one of my favorite bands.
2012-08-17 01:37:33 PM  
2 votes:

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


But RATM is all about politics. It means the Ryan is just too stupid to get what the songs are about. It's like someone who reads Animal Farm and thinks it's a book about animals and can't see the deeper meaning.
2012-08-17 01:33:18 PM  
2 votes:
Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.
2012-08-17 01:30:42 PM  
2 votes:
Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.
2012-08-17 01:28:11 PM  
2 votes:
Wow. I liked that article far more than I thought I would and I like this guitarist far more than I thought I would.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.
2012-08-17 11:43:53 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-08-17 11:24:28 AM  
2 votes:

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music


I'm not a Rage fan, but even from hearing it on the radio I know it's really, really political.
2012-08-17 09:57:08 AM  
2 votes:

Shostie: I always pictured Manson to be more of a Beach Boys fan.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner, folks!
2012-08-17 09:40:38 AM  
2 votes:

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Only seriously retarded young adults. But then the Young Republicans aren't noted for being real bright.
2012-08-17 09:40:20 AM  
2 votes:
The Westboro baptist church's devoted followers performed Ozzy's song Crazy Train on the steps of the United States Supreme Court.

Ozzy: "I am sickened and disgusted by the use of 'Crazy Train' to promote messages of hate and evil by a 'church.'"

These 'conservative' idiots just don't get it. Period.
2012-08-17 09:35:17 AM  
2 votes:
It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.
2012-08-17 06:14:07 PM  
1 votes:
This doesn't surprise me. I've seen a lot of things saying he liked grunge music in the 90's but he seems like he was a poser. I'm sure he listened, and probably really did like the grunge that was playing on that Top-40 stations at the time, but only because it was the "in-thing" at the time not realizing that grunge music aggression came from growing up poor and middle-class under the the failure of Reaganomics.
2012-08-17 05:15:51 PM  
1 votes:

jigger: Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs

Actually, those boys have donated more money to charity than Morello has ever seen in his life.


actually those boys have squandered more on lawyers trying to cut their other brothers out of the spoils of the company that was built by their father... than most people will ever see in their lives.
2012-08-17 04:32:46 PM  
1 votes:

Spade: ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?

The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


The poor and middle class often have people represent their causes because unlike rich people they don't have the money or resources to buy tv time or lobby the government to have policy created in their favor.

about the only thing Romney and Morello have in common are that they are both rich. And remember, it's not about how much money you have in the bank, it is about your actions and what you do to help better society. That is the difference between Morello and Romney. Morello tries to help society.
2012-08-17 04:23:14 PM  
1 votes:

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


Are you familiar at all with Rage Against The Machine? Their art is primarily a vehicle for their politics.

/hell, it's practically in their name
2012-08-17 04:22:54 PM  
1 votes:

jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.


It makes him a far better person than Romney, Ryan, both Kochs, the Cock Army, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham and all the other rich as fark assholes who "have more money than they can ever spend" yet don't give two dry farks about the people going hungry. At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, rather than seeking to extract as much as possible from it.

And Morello's not running for President and claiming to know the hearts and minds of every American.

// there's your third party vote - don't waste it on a Republican like Gary Johnson
2012-08-17 04:22:29 PM  
1 votes:

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


It means that the wrong people like their work.
2012-08-17 04:14:47 PM  
1 votes:

Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.


So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?
2012-08-17 03:45:57 PM  
1 votes:
That article was so full of win... lol
2012-08-17 03:01:07 PM  
1 votes:

Blue_Blazer: What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers?


I'd give that a listen. Hell, if they toured, I might even go see it.

Now, if I found out President Obama was a big fan of Skrewdriver, that would raise an eyebrow.
2012-08-17 02:38:39 PM  
1 votes:

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Jster422: Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.


Occam's Nailfile, you and the rest of the people using that argument have missed the point. What Morello objects to is that they rationalize their greed and defend their philosophy of not wanting to help feed the poor - by cutting food stamps and other benefits.

Morello is not a government. He can't single-handedly alter SNAP's budget. He can't force a vote in the Senate about funding TANF.

Morello (if you'd bothered to search google for "Tom Morello charity") is an active giver of charity - first page of hits has him donating 100% of the proceeds from a single release to charity, various guitars he's auctioned for charity, his volunteer work after Katrina, his work for the Best Friends Animal charity (which doesn't feed poor people, proving that Morello is a monster)... He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

What he objects to is rich people who won't be arsed to kick in any more for "institutional charity" - taxes (which go to any number of charitable programs).

It's like every time liberals and Democrats point out that what is objectionable is not a person's wealth, but the implication that wealth = worth and that it's the tax code preventing them from earning that 100th million, Republicans hold their ears and scream about socialism. And then claim that Democrats and liberals only hate rich people for their wealth. Every. Time.

// and you're surprised when we stop addressing that argument
// or you pretend you've "won" the argument that no one but you* was making
* that's the general "you", not Occam's Nailfile "you"
2012-08-17 02:38:37 PM  
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: ...Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


Not to mention it specifically was Reagan and his policies (namely, the gutting of mental health care in the US and woefully underfunding the VA) that directly screwed over Vietnam vets.

It wasn't merely people like Reagan who created the bleak circumstances, especially in regards to Vietnam veterans' prospects after coming home, sung about in "Born in the U.S.A.". It was Reagan.
2012-08-17 02:37:17 PM  
1 votes:
I also heard Paul Ryan is listening to a lecture series on Voltaire. What kind of cognitive dissonance must exist within him if he is interested in the ideas of the man considered to be the father of the Enlightenment who was a humanist, anti-religion, and often considered a radical thinker for his time.

Paul is the antithesis of everything Voltaire stood for...I'm sure Ryan believes he shares the same anti-government stance, in reality Ryan is a small minded traditionalist, and simply wants power to coalesce in the hands of big business as opposed to the hands of government.
2012-08-17 02:32:14 PM  
1 votes:

Snatch Bandergrip: To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.


I can honestly say that I don't understand what's really so strange about this. Sometimes people who hold great respect for one another disagree very deeply. They learn to deal with that, or else they stop getting along, and sometimes one learns to deal and the other does not. Those are the really sad cases, but they are far from universal.

Lots of cross-political friendships work this way. It's even more important for cross-political marriages. Cross-political fandoms are also not unheard of. I can't say I've personally heard of a cross-political favorite band, but I also can't say I understand why it would be such a strange thing.
2012-08-17 02:26:30 PM  
1 votes:
IF you're not listening for the meaning behind lyrics, then you are not the type of person I want to elect.

We need thinkers in office.

Also, I would like someone to point to this story each time a liberal states they like gangster rap about cop killing.
2012-08-17 02:13:52 PM  
1 votes:

FeedTheCollapse: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

he's a Republican, so of course not. Though to be fair, Ryan at least hasn't used any RATM for his entrance music... yet.


Right which is my point. He looks at things superficially. He is not really a deep thinker, which is not people I think I want for a politician.
2012-08-17 02:13:19 PM  
1 votes:
I saw RATM in Chicago in 08. Zach went on about supporting Obama.
Rayn being a RATM fan makes about as much sense as a black David Allen Coe fan.
2012-08-17 02:13:03 PM  
1 votes:
Why is it weird? Cognitive Dissonance is one of the cornerstones of their platform.

"I sure do love the down-home message of a political band that opposes everything I stand for!"

is sorta like:

"Tax cuts for the rich and tax increase on the middle class will help the middle class!!"
2012-08-17 01:57:57 PM  
1 votes:
To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.

What would the reaction from the right be if Obama mentions he rocks out to Megadeth, or the Nuge?

Also, if you like Rage, you'll probably dig One Day as a Lion - Zach and former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore.
2012-08-17 01:54:04 PM  
1 votes:
What is it about the hard right wing mindset that means you're oblivious to layers of meaning subtly and humor? Really what is it? Cause its just keeps happening.

There are plenty of rational conservatives that are funny and thoughtful, but as soon as you enter that right-winger-reactionary zone things just collapse into black and white with only the literal meanings remaining.

It just adds fuel to the fire that the hard-right, objectivist, RWA, mindset is more of a personality defect than anything.
2012-08-17 01:52:24 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe Ryan was the fratboy in the crowd that just wanted to pound beers and mosh.

I can also buy that he genuinely believes he's raging against the "big government tax and spend liberal" machine.

But I don't think you can disassociate a band's lyrics from their music. It's one thing if a band has offstage political opinions that you disagree with. It's another thing if every single song has a political message.
2012-08-17 01:48:13 PM  
1 votes:
This isn't a big deal, but it is funny considering the fact that Paul Ryan *is* the "Machine" that is being Raged Against.
2012-08-17 01:41:29 PM  
1 votes:

Corvus: Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

But RATM is all about politics. It means the Ryan is just too stupid to get what the songs are about. It's like someone who reads Animal Farm and thinks it's a book about animals and can't see the deeper meaning.


Not only that, RATM is constantly criticizing America. How the hell do you call out Rev. Wright when you've got Paul Ryan blaring Zack de la Rocha calling America a "land of hypocrisy" in your earphones during every P90X workout?

Yeah, I said it - if your poster child listens to anti-American music, your argument is invalid.
2012-08-17 01:39:16 PM  
1 votes:

Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.


Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.
2012-08-17 01:37:11 PM  
1 votes:

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


Normally I'd agree. Who cares what he listens to? But in this case the clash between who he is and the music he listens to is way too weird. It's like him saying his favorite book is Das Kapital.
2012-08-17 01:36:31 PM  
1 votes:

HeartBurnKid: I'm still surprised Ryan likes RATM, since much of their music advocates violent revolution against... well, people like him.


So you're telling me that this conservative doesn't hate people who disagree with him?

Imagine that.
2012-08-17 01:35:52 PM  
1 votes:

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


I think it makes him look like a farking moran, just like Chris Christie being obsessed with Springsteen. Apparently lyrics aren't important to these fools, just the pretty sounds that come out of the magic speaker box. No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.
2012-08-17 01:35:51 PM  
1 votes:

I should be in the kitchen: Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.


They don't because they think superficially in general.
2012-08-17 01:33:06 PM  
1 votes:

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


You cared enough to make that comment.
2012-08-17 01:32:53 PM  
1 votes:

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


No. I listen to all kinds of things, even some things I don't agree with. I have some gangsta rap I occasionally put on. I expect to be laughed at for it, especially by those who know me. Along the same lines, I laugh that Paul Ryan likes RATM. He has every right to like them, and I don't really care or am outraged, but it's still pretty funny.

Lighten up, dude.
2012-08-17 01:32:30 PM  
1 votes:

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


Basic comprehension FAIL.
2012-08-17 01:31:08 PM  
1 votes:
In other news:

David Duke announced his favorite band is Public Enemy (the old stuff when the S1Ws were still around)

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2012-08-17 01:30:19 PM  
1 votes:
The real joke here is that someone compared RATM to The Beatles.
2012-08-17 01:26:44 PM  
1 votes:
It's like Turkey changing their national anthem to a System of a Down song.

// "Chic'n'Stu", for the lulz
2012-08-17 01:26:41 PM  
1 votes:
I just want to thank Mittens and Paul for getting me back on a Dead Kennedys kick. Lots of great songs I had forgotten.
2012-08-17 01:04:19 PM  
1 votes:

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


^^^This^^^
2012-08-17 12:20:13 PM  
1 votes:
Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?
2012-08-17 11:56:10 AM  
1 votes:

SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.


Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.
2012-08-17 11:51:51 AM  
1 votes:
At the Coachella 2007 performance, De la Rocha made an impassioned speech during "Wake Up", citing a statement by Noam Chomsky regarding the Nuremberg Trials and subsequent actions by US presidents,[17] as follows:

" A good friend of ours once said that if the same laws were applied to U.S. presidents as were applied to the Nazis after World War II [...] every single one of them, every last rich white one of them from Truman on, would have been hung to death and shot-and this current administration is no exception. They should be hung, and tried, and shot. As any war criminal should be.[38] "

A clip of Zack's speech found its way to the Fox News program Hannity & Colmes. An on-screen headline read, "Rock group Rage Against the Machine says Bush admin should be shot." Ann Coulter, a conservative commentator and a guest on the show, stated, "They're losers, their fans are losers, and there's a lot of violence coming from the left wing."[39] Commentator Alan Colmes then challenged Coulter for having said of Bill Clinton, "The only issue is whether to impeach or assassinate,"[40] referring to her 1998 book in which she wrote, "Otherwise there would be debates only about whether to impeach or assassinate."[41]

On July 28 and 29, Rage co-headlined the hip hop festival Rock the Bells. On July 28, they made a speech during their performance of "Wake Up" just as they had done at Coachella. During this, De La Rocha made another statement, defending the band from Fox News whom he claimed had misquoted him:

" A couple of months ago, those fascist motherfarkers at the Fox News Network attempted to pin this band into a corner by suggesting that we said that the president should be assassinated. Nah, what we said was that he should be brought to trial as a war criminal and hung and shot. THAT'S what we said. And we don't back away from the position because the real assassinator [sic] is Bush, and Cheney and the whole administration for the lives they have destroyed here and in Iraq. They're the ones. And what they refused to air which was far more provocative in my mind and in the minds of my bandmates is this: that this system has become so brutal and vicious and cruel that it needs to start wars and profit from the destruction around the world in order to survive as a world power. THAT's what we said. And we refuse not to stand up, we refuse [not] to back down from that position...[42]
2012-08-17 11:34:02 AM  
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PC LOAD LETTER: FishyFred: [i45.tinypic.com image 300x300]

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.

Well, that DOES hold true for Johnny Ramone, who was a huge Conservative.


students.cis.uab.edu

Real 'merican.
2012-08-17 11:30:58 AM  
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i.imgur.com
2012-08-17 11:22:28 AM  
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Mister anchor assure me
That Baghdad is burning
Your voice it is so soothing
That cunning mantra of killing
I need you my witness
To dress this up so bloodless
To numb me and purge me now
Of thoughts of blaming you


The above is not an endorsement of the neo-conservative philosophy.
2012-08-17 11:17:56 AM  
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Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.


If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.
2012-08-17 11:01:44 AM  
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JerseyTim: They should play "Killing in the Name" when they introduce him at the RNC.


Not bad. If the Republicans would start embracing their cartoon-like villainy, I'd at least have some respect for them.
2012-08-17 10:57:17 AM  
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They should play "Killing in the Name" when they introduce him at the RNC.
2012-08-17 10:51:29 AM  
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i45.tinypic.com

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.
2012-08-17 09:40:41 AM  
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Paul Ryan loving Rage Against the Machine is the greatest misunderstanding of music since Charles Manson loved the Beatles

- Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) August 11, 2012
2012-08-17 09:08:57 AM  
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makes sense. Bulls On Parade seems to encompass his beliefs nicely:

Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetary, now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally round tha family, pocket full of shells
 
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