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2012-08-17 03:42:51 PM

CorporatePerson: Spade: Why should he have to rationalize having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry when his consumers will do it for him? He should thank you guys. Maybe put a song up free for download on the internet (don't forget to buy the rest of the album).

Well it must be convenient having it worked out where nobody is ever allowed to criticize Republican policies without being a hypocrite. If you're rich and disagree with the GOP, you're a hypocrite and your position cannot be considered until you donate all your money to the state. If you're poor and disagree, you're just envious of all the rich people's money and success.

Guess I'll just go vote Republican.


Man you are getting trolled hard
 
2012-08-17 03:43:15 PM

Spade: I dunno, maybe I just don't trust somebody who's all, "I understand what the poor are going through and mass consumerism is bad and don't forget to buy my new album, available at all record stores next week!"


The thing about Rage is that, yeah, you have a point there, however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is. They are not richie rich limo libs who were born into privilege and wealth and decided it would be neat to slum around with the poor for shiats and giggles. They are also not Officer Ricky Ross style posers pretending they're only relaying how it is 'out on the streets'.

Here's an old, old old, site on three of the charities Rage donated to in 2009.

Rage isn't pulling a Ryan, taking charity money and government money and then closing the door behind them.
 
2012-08-17 03:43:28 PM

sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue The 'Nuge.


ftfy
 
2012-08-17 03:44:08 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Romney can't decide between N.W.A. and Anal coont.


he is said to love the NWA album 'Straight Outta tha Hamptons'

(coming straight outta the Hamptons
crazy mormon father named Romney
from a gang called Mormons wit attitude
when I'm called off, I got a super PAC
hit the button and bodies are hauled off)
 
2012-08-17 03:45:10 PM

Pestifer: Everyone here seems convinced that Ran is either not listening to the lyrics or is clueless about the politics of the band. I think it's more likely (and scarier) to think that he's aware of the band's activist and revolutionary stance, but is recasting it in his head so that he and his fellow Randian "individualists" are fighting against the crushing conformity and soul-destroying, life-sucking power of the Democrat(ic) party, voting-rights activists and Keynsian economic theories. He's the hero in his head.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-08-17 03:45:57 PM
That article was so full of win... lol
 
2012-08-17 03:51:20 PM

Millennium: Blue_Blazer: Millennium: Blue_Blazer: Would you not be a bit shocked to finda group of Black people listening to David Allen Coe?

Sure, I'd raise an eyebrow. Who wouldn't? But my first assumptions would not be to paint the listeners as hypocritical or stupid.

Really?!? What if it was President Obama?

I know he's not stupid or hypocritical, so if I heard him listening to such things then I'd really get curious.

What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers? Would you just raise an eyebrow

For a project like that I'd raise both eyebrows, but again my main reaction would be curiosity, not dismissal.

I guess you probably don't think that people who vote against their own interests are stupid either.

My first assumption would be that I must not have as good a handle as I thought as to what their interests are. Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained as differing perspective.


I guess I just can't understand. The only thing close in my experience is that I am an atheist who likes bluegrass. But I always cringe during the religious stuff, just as I would expect a hard-right winger like Rayn to cringe during the political parts (read:every lyric from every song) of a RATM song with which he might disagree.

Or do you really think it is like someone upthread said, that he believes that he is in fact raging against the machine?
 
2012-08-17 03:51:46 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

You poor poor oppressed white man, you.


That discussion has already been had in this thread, but I reiterate: out of what you quoted, what exactly is incorrect?
 
2012-08-17 03:53:34 PM

Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.


Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.
 
2012-08-17 03:54:52 PM

Cythraul: sweetmelissa31: Mitt Romney's favorite musician:

[www.mtv.com image 350x365]

Tax cuts, tax cuts all type of tax cuts,
Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts for the super-rich,
Girl, girl, get that cash,
If it's being born rich or marrying a rich guy

Whatever happened to her?


She lost some weight. Then she lost some more. Then she disappeared
/maybe she moved to drier climate
 
2012-08-17 03:57:20 PM

jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.


That does it, I'm voting Republilcan then!
 
2012-08-17 04:06:59 PM
I can understand why Ryan says he likes RATM's music and not their lyrics. Take it away, Zach de la Rocha:

Some of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that were enforcers
Are the sane that barn courses
Some of those that were in forces
Are the stains that hold office
Some of those that run forceps
Or the sales on warm croissants
BURN!!!
 
2012-08-17 04:07:20 PM

Spade: Awe, did I insult your musical hero who talks a good game about your favorite causes?


No, you simpering cockmongler. I think Libertarians are morons.
 
2012-08-17 04:11:11 PM
Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.
 
2012-08-17 04:11:21 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is


Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.
 
2012-08-17 04:12:32 PM
I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.
 
2012-08-17 04:13:26 PM
While I like their message, I think their music is shiat.
 
2012-08-17 04:14:47 PM

Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.


So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?
 
2012-08-17 04:18:36 PM

balloot: This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?


I can beat that - it is 2012 and my favorite band is Skinny Puppy and they haven't been big (they were never really big) since late 80s/early 90s.
 
2012-08-17 04:19:30 PM
"But I learned to burn that bridge and delete
"Those who compete...at a level that's obsolete
Instead I warm my hands upon the flames of the flag
As I recall our downfall
And the business that burned us all
See through the news and the views that twist reality

Enough
I call the bluff
fark Manifest destiny"

Yeah, that will go over real well in the Teahadist circles.
 
2012-08-17 04:20:15 PM

Peter_B_Risen: Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.


It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.
 
2012-08-17 04:21:58 PM

ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?


The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.
 
2012-08-17 04:22:29 PM

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


It means that the wrong people like their work.
 
2012-08-17 04:22:54 PM

jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.


It makes him a far better person than Romney, Ryan, both Kochs, the Cock Army, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham and all the other rich as fark assholes who "have more money than they can ever spend" yet don't give two dry farks about the people going hungry. At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, rather than seeking to extract as much as possible from it.

And Morello's not running for President and claiming to know the hearts and minds of every American.

// there's your third party vote - don't waste it on a Republican like Gary Johnson
 
2012-08-17 04:23:14 PM

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


Are you familiar at all with Rage Against The Machine? Their art is primarily a vehicle for their politics.

/hell, it's practically in their name
 
2012-08-17 04:23:59 PM

CorporatePerson: It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.


How is a genre of music antithetical to anything? It's nothing more than a collection of musical formulae; how can something like that conflict with a political ideology?
 
2012-08-17 04:25:42 PM

CorporatePerson: Peter_B_Risen: Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.

It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.



Ric? Is that you?
 
2012-08-17 04:25:57 PM

Spade: ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?

The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


So you're saying we, the proleteriat, should unite and speak as one community?

Interesting. I though you said you were a libertarian. I guess you meant libertarian socialist.
 
2012-08-17 04:26:14 PM

Dr Dreidel: At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, .


And yet he doesn't. Or at least, by his own reckoning, doesn't give enough.
 
2012-08-17 04:27:40 PM
I never let politics get in the way of my music tastes... Hell, I love Slayer and yet I am not pro-serial killers (a lot of their music is about rather dark topics); I just love the beat. He is likely the same way.

Funny thing is, though, if RATM had their way, both Democrat and Republican politicians would be in jail.
 
2012-08-17 04:28:52 PM

Spade: Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


That might happen if either side gets over its disdain for them, but I would guess that this is going to be a long time in coming.
 
2012-08-17 04:31:27 PM

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.
 
2012-08-17 04:31:51 PM

Millennium: CorporatePerson: It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.

How is a genre of music antithetical to anything? It's nothing more than a collection of musical formulae; how can something like that conflict with a political ideology?


I'm not gonna explain rock and roll to you. It's not a coincidence that every time a Republican uses a song from their favorite rock artist in their campaign, that artist's response is an immediate cease and desist letter.
 
2012-08-17 04:32:46 PM

Spade: ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?

The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


The poor and middle class often have people represent their causes because unlike rich people they don't have the money or resources to buy tv time or lobby the government to have policy created in their favor.

about the only thing Romney and Morello have in common are that they are both rich. And remember, it's not about how much money you have in the bank, it is about your actions and what you do to help better society. That is the difference between Morello and Romney. Morello tries to help society.
 
2012-08-17 04:33:08 PM
For those who still don't understand why this is weird and kind of amusing, let me explain by analogy.

Imagine if Obama hung this painting in the Oval Office:

www.teaparty.org
 
2012-08-17 04:35:02 PM

Spade: Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves?


You're right. Some kid, and I'm just spitballing here, but some kid whose father was an artist suffering from some mental issues and whose granddad was a revolutionary turned immigrant farmer. That kid could start up a band and sing about the things he cares about. Things he sees happening in his community. Maybe even a few things happening in the wider world. He might even make a few bucks doing it.

He better not make too much doing it though, or else people like you will demonize him for his success.
 
2012-08-17 04:37:22 PM

Spade: Dr Dreidel: At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, .

And yet he doesn't. Or at least, by his own reckoning, doesn't give enough.


OH, I get it - you're not interested in a debate, in finding common ground or coming to an understanding. You just want to make the point that someone socially conscious hasn't fixed the problem yet.

Never mind that in the history of capitalism neither the super-capitalists or the quasi-communists succeeded in eliminating poverty, a musician who donates time and money (and who creates opportunities - like autographing an instrument for auction for charity - to donate time and money) to combat hunger and poverty, as well as the attending hardships and some other societal ills, and hasn't yet succeeded is clearly not doing enough.

Moron. (I will not call you a name, but I really, really want to. To my mind, willful ignorance is the only sin.)

// this is the last response you get, and I again invite you to read Morello's own words: "the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend"
// and that they attempt to rationalize it while walking past children begging for food - on their way to lobby for more tax breaks - illustrates how little they grasp the problem
 
2012-08-17 04:38:49 PM
This was posted a few weeks back on another board. Enjoy

Link

Full concert footage of RATM's first ever public performance at The Quad, Cal State Northridge, Northridge, CA on Oct. 23, 1991.

Setlist:
1: Killing In The Name (Instrumental)
2: Take The Power Back
3: Autologic
4: Bullet In The Head
5: Hit The Deck
6: Township Rebellion
7: Darkness Of Greed
8: Clear The Lane
9: Clampdown
10: Know Your Enemy (alternate version)
11: Freedom
 
2012-08-17 04:40:30 PM

Peter_B_Risen: Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.



Actually, that'd be spot-on, since Green Day is commercialized, lightweight punk.
 
2012-08-17 04:42:24 PM

CorporatePerson: Millennium: CorporatePerson: It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.

How is a genre of music antithetical to anything? It's nothing more than a collection of musical formulae; how can something like that conflict with a political ideology?

I'm not gonna explain rock and roll to you.


Then why bother to post at all?

It's not a coincidence that every time a Republican uses a song from their favorite rock artist in their campaign, that artist's response is an immediate cease and desist letter.

But is that really inherent to rock? The same could be said of most other modern pop culture references.
 
2012-08-17 04:48:34 PM

HeartBurnKid: Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.

Are you familiar at all with Rage Against The Machine? Their art is primarily a vehicle for their politics.

/hell, it's practically in their name


Yet amazingly they sell their music and receive, holy god, actual evil profits! So yeah, anyone that participates in capitalism in the American system while biatching about it can take a seat in the STFU Chair.
 
2012-08-17 04:51:35 PM

Peter_B_Risen: Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.

Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.


In my comic drawing, I was never offended if someone who disagreed with my politics liked my comics. It's really stupid to think that a given person liking your art somehow diminishes what you're doing.
 
2012-08-17 04:52:28 PM

Mrtraveler01: jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.

That does it, I'm voting Republilcan then!


What the hell does this have to do with voting?
 
2012-08-17 04:54:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs


Actually, those boys have donated more money to charity than Morello has ever seen in his life.
 
2012-08-17 05:00:19 PM

jigger: Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs

Actually, those boys have donated more money to "charity" than Morello has ever seen in his life.



FTFY
 
2012-08-17 05:03:04 PM

FitzShivering: Press Releases for Tomorrow:

Romney: My favorite band is Cannibal Corpse
Obama: My favorite artist is Ted Nugent



New keyboard. You owe my company one.
 
2012-08-17 05:12:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 355x400]


I thought it was Eric Clapton

i.imgur.com

/Either that or Bob Marley
 
2012-08-17 05:14:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: TV's Vinnie: I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

I thought it was Eric Clapton

[i.imgur.com image 280x280]

/Either that or Bob Marley



Arpaio Speedwagon?
 
2012-08-17 05:15:51 PM

jigger: Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs

Actually, those boys have donated more money to charity than Morello has ever seen in his life.


actually those boys have squandered more on lawyers trying to cut their other brothers out of the spoils of the company that was built by their father... than most people will ever see in their lives.
 
2012-08-17 05:23:18 PM
Bad news, poo flinging Fark monkeys. RATM hates you too. It's still okay to be a fan.
 
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