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2012-08-17 01:52:24 PM
Maybe Ryan was the fratboy in the crowd that just wanted to pound beers and mosh.

I can also buy that he genuinely believes he's raging against the "big government tax and spend liberal" machine.

But I don't think you can disassociate a band's lyrics from their music. It's one thing if a band has offstage political opinions that you disagree with. It's another thing if every single song has a political message.
 
2012-08-17 01:52:49 PM
I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

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2012-08-17 01:54:04 PM
What is it about the hard right wing mindset that means you're oblivious to layers of meaning subtly and humor? Really what is it? Cause its just keeps happening.

There are plenty of rational conservatives that are funny and thoughtful, but as soon as you enter that right-winger-reactionary zone things just collapse into black and white with only the literal meanings remaining.

It just adds fuel to the fire that the hard-right, objectivist, RWA, mindset is more of a personality defect than anything.
 
2012-08-17 01:54:43 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

Still though, there are plenty of apolitical bands.


There are bands that keep politics out of their overarching messages (or that don't even have overarching messages), but apolitical musicians are actually quite hard to find. It's a consequence of human perspective: they have opinions, and opinions color a person's worldview, and that inevitably creeps into at least some of their works.

I stopped supporting music with a message I felt was attacking me back in high school. Why would I throw money at that?

If your options are to throw money at the music you like, let the message of the music drive you away, or steal the music in some kind of misguided "protest," then yeah; you've got some choices to make. If you choose to keep listening, though, then you're going to go nuts if you don't learn to let it slide.
 
2012-08-17 01:57:57 PM
To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.

What would the reaction from the right be if Obama mentions he rocks out to Megadeth, or the Nuge?

Also, if you like Rage, you'll probably dig One Day as a Lion - Zach and former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore.
 
2012-08-17 01:58:37 PM

TV's Vinnie: I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

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I thought he'd be a big Voodoo Glow Skulls fan... 

www.recordsale.de
 
2012-08-17 02:00:42 PM
RATM to release an anti Ryan song in 3, 2, 1....
 
2012-08-17 02:02:48 PM

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.


If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.
 
2012-08-17 02:03:46 PM
I dunno, maybe I just don't trust somebody who's all, "I understand what the poor are going through and mass consumerism is bad and don't forget to buy my new album, available at all record stores next week!"
 
2012-08-17 02:07:21 PM

Millennium: Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative

Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?


How exactly is the rich white male conservative demonized in today's society? Are they unable to own land? Hold office? Garner employment? Perhaps they have "white conservatives only" bathrooms that amout to a bucket stuck in a field of poison ivy?
 
2012-08-17 02:09:33 PM

Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?


he's a Republican, so of course not. Though to be fair, Ryan at least hasn't used any RATM for his entrance music... yet.
 
2012-08-17 02:09:36 PM

Dr Dreidel: dehehn: GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.

Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.

I thought Peart disavowed his earlier Randian thinking, as it was a result of being an early-20s knowitall who loved to read. How this explains Randroid know-nothing functionally illiterate fortysomethings, I have no idea.

// also, "Anthem" is one of the shiattiest short stories I have ever read


Sh*tty story, great album. It was shallow enough to fit neatly into Peart's lyrics in between all the jamming.
 
2012-08-17 02:09:45 PM

TV's Vinnie: Tom Morello is either a Fark lurker, or I'm a Wizard.

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Good call.
 
2012-08-17 02:10:58 PM

Arkanaut: Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.

Apparently Chris Christie is a huge Springsteen fan, although that's a Jersey thing more than anything about politics. And it just eats him up that Springsteen hates his politics.


Well, for once something is eating him up, instead of the other way around.
 
2012-08-17 02:11:21 PM

SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.


Sounds like you informed yourself. Reading is fundamental you know.
 
2012-08-17 02:12:29 PM

Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.


HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?
 
2012-08-17 02:13:03 PM
Why is it weird? Cognitive Dissonance is one of the cornerstones of their platform.

"I sure do love the down-home message of a political band that opposes everything I stand for!"

is sorta like:

"Tax cuts for the rich and tax increase on the middle class will help the middle class!!"
 
2012-08-17 02:13:19 PM
I saw RATM in Chicago in 08. Zach went on about supporting Obama.
Rayn being a RATM fan makes about as much sense as a black David Allen Coe fan.
 
2012-08-17 02:13:52 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

he's a Republican, so of course not. Though to be fair, Ryan at least hasn't used any RATM for his entrance music... yet.


Right which is my point. He looks at things superficially. He is not really a deep thinker, which is not people I think I want for a politician.
 
2012-08-17 02:14:39 PM
Isn't he like an objectivist/satanist whatever... seems like some viking death metal would be his deal...
 
2012-08-17 02:16:05 PM

Headso: Isn't he like an objectivist/satanist whatever... seems like some viking death metal would be his deal...


Don't you goddamn dare ruin Amon Amarth for me.
 
2012-08-17 02:18:10 PM

Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


They are demonized for a reason.

If everybody hates you, wouldn't you eventually get that the problem is you and not everybody?

Only if you could think and reason, not a hallmark of the conservative.
 
2012-08-17 02:18:37 PM

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?


Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.
 
2012-08-17 02:19:24 PM

Arkanaut: Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.

Apparently Chris Christie is a huge Springsteen fan, although that's a Jersey thing more than anything about politics. And it just eats him up that Springsteen hates his politics.


Well, I for one am certainly glad he hasn't fallen into the trap of reexamining his worldviews and the impacts of his behavior on his fellow man.
 
2012-08-17 02:20:02 PM

BSABSVR: Millennium: Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative

Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?

How exactly is the rich white male conservative demonized in today's society? Are they unable to own land? Hold office? Garner employment? Perhaps they have "white conservatives only" bathrooms that amout to a bucket stuck in a field of poison ivy?


I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.
 
2012-08-17 02:20:35 PM
FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."


Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.
 
2012-08-17 02:22:21 PM

Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?

Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.


Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.
 
2012-08-17 02:22:29 PM
Zack de la Rocha is clearly on the side of the Republicans and supply side economics. He's even wearing a suit, like a job creator.

i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-17 02:22:55 PM

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Yeah how dare Tom have political views and express them, and even use his own money to support them? It's like he's a Koch brother or something!
 
2012-08-17 02:23:18 PM

Occam's Nailfile: Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Does he want lower taxes for himself and higher taxes for the poor?

No?

Then he isn't a hypocrite.
 
2012-08-17 02:23:32 PM
My favorite song is "Jesus Take the Wheel"

She was driving last Friday on her way to Cincinnati
On a snow white Christmas Eve
Going home to see her Mama and her Daddy with the baby in the backseat
Fifty miles to go and she was running low on faith and gasoline
It'd been a long hard year
She had a lot on her mind and she didn't pay attention
she was going way too fast
Before she knew it she was spinning on a thin black sheet of glass
She saw both their lives flash before her eyes
She didn't even have time to cry
She was so scared
She threw her hands up in the air

"Jesus take the wheel"
"Take it from my hands"
 
2012-08-17 02:25:17 PM

verbaltoxin: I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.


There are plenty of good role models for rich people in comics. Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, Richie Rich, Ted Kord, etc. They show you can be wealthy and good as long as you're willing to personally punch in some junkie's face.
 
2012-08-17 02:25:52 PM

impaler: My favorite song is "Jesus Take the Wheel"

She was driving last Friday on her way to Cincinnati
On a snow white Christmas Eve
Going home to see her Mama and her Daddy with the baby in the backseat
Fifty miles to go and she was running low on faith and gasoline
It'd been a long hard year
She had a lot on her mind and she didn't pay attention
she was going way too fast
Before she knew it she was spinning on a thin black sheet of glass
She saw both their lives flash before her eyes
She didn't even have time to cry
She was so scared
She threw her hands up in the air

"Jesus take the wheel"
"Take it from my hands"


If the second part of the song describes her skidding into a fiery death, then it's one of the most metal songs ever written.

But I have a feeling it doesn't go that way.
 
2012-08-17 02:26:30 PM
IF you're not listening for the meaning behind lyrics, then you are not the type of person I want to elect.

We need thinkers in office.

Also, I would like someone to point to this story each time a liberal states they like gangster rap about cop killing.
 
2012-08-17 02:28:52 PM

odinsposse: verbaltoxin: I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.

There are plenty of good role models for rich people in comics. Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, Richie Rich, Ted Kord, etc. They show you can be wealthy and good as long as you're willing to personally punch in some junkie's face.


Agreed. I was just saying rich, white people are not discriminated against, and have no idea what it means to face discrimination. Demonization though, sure, that happens daily on Fark.
 
2012-08-17 02:29:16 PM
Next you guys will tell me that Born in the U.S.A. isn't an awesomely patriotic song about how great America is.
 
2012-08-17 02:31:45 PM

tricycleracer: Next you guys will tell me that Born in the U.S.A. isn't an awesomely patriotic song about how great America is.


But...but...they play it on the 4th of July!
 
2012-08-17 02:31:46 PM

sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.


I feel dumber having read this. Please stop posting.
 
2012-08-17 02:31:59 PM

Jster422: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?

Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.

Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.


Never said he campaigned to lower his tax burden. You can bold the part where I said that.

Let's look at his quote again.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.


Is he super rich: Yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend: Yes
Do millions of children in the US go to bed hungry: Yes

Therefor, he is complaining about the very thing he himself is.

I know that if he is doing stuff with his money to help other it obviously isn't enough for his own criteria, since he is still super rich.
 
2012-08-17 02:32:14 PM

Snatch Bandergrip: To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.


I can honestly say that I don't understand what's really so strange about this. Sometimes people who hold great respect for one another disagree very deeply. They learn to deal with that, or else they stop getting along, and sometimes one learns to deal and the other does not. Those are the really sad cases, but they are far from universal.

Lots of cross-political friendships work this way. It's even more important for cross-political marriages. Cross-political fandoms are also not unheard of. I can't say I've personally heard of a cross-political favorite band, but I also can't say I understand why it would be such a strange thing.
 
2012-08-17 02:34:25 PM
The article comments are derptastic.
 
2012-08-17 02:36:51 PM
Everyone here seems convinced that Ran is either not listening to the lyrics or is clueless about the politics of the band. I think it's more likely (and scarier) to think that he's aware of the band's activist and revolutionary stance, but is recasting it in his head so that he and his fellow Randian "individualists" are fighting against the crushing conformity and soul-destroying, life-sucking power of the Democrat(ic) party, voting-rights activists and Keynsian economic theories. He's the hero in his head.
 
2012-08-17 02:37:17 PM
I also heard Paul Ryan is listening to a lecture series on Voltaire. What kind of cognitive dissonance must exist within him if he is interested in the ideas of the man considered to be the father of the Enlightenment who was a humanist, anti-religion, and often considered a radical thinker for his time.

Paul is the antithesis of everything Voltaire stood for...I'm sure Ryan believes he shares the same anti-government stance, in reality Ryan is a small minded traditionalist, and simply wants power to coalesce in the hands of big business as opposed to the hands of government.
 
2012-08-17 02:37:59 PM
I'd say that at this point, it's official: the republicans want Obama to win. Why? Because they like the way things are going. Congress blocks or porks out most everything Obama tries to pass, and meanwhile he takes the blame for the economy and lack of jobs, even though these problems stem from republican corporate heads who are halting production and outsourcing jobs. As soon as a Republican is elected, They'll invest in raw materials with the trillions of dollars they've been clinging to and start up production. Everyone will be so desperate for jobs at this point, that all in-country hires will be done at or close to minimum wage with few benefits, and the unions will be weakened to the point of breaking due to the surplus of willing scabs. All the while, Fux news will hail the GOP as the Saviors of the economy, while downplaying the success of Obama's stimulus package. Then come the mandatory "Inoculations" which are really just flavor enhancers for our new alien overlords.
 
2012-08-17 02:38:32 PM

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


What if he used his money to found a non-profit group to work towards social justice - would that be okay? I can't find a link to the episode where his quadrillion-dollar mansion was featured on 'Cribs', so if you could pass that along I would appreciate it.

But that's me falling into the same old trap - look: NOBODY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T BE RICH. Okay? Really, what 99% of people of 'lib-tards' are saying is that you should just A. Not get rich by completely farking over your fellow man, and B. Once rich, not immediately begin farking over your fellow man

Mitt Romney driving companies into bankruptcy to pocket some cash violates A.
Paul Ryan lowering the tax rate on billionaires by raising it on everyone else violates B.
 
2012-08-17 02:38:37 PM

Coco LaFemme: ...Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


Not to mention it specifically was Reagan and his policies (namely, the gutting of mental health care in the US and woefully underfunding the VA) that directly screwed over Vietnam vets.

It wasn't merely people like Reagan who created the bleak circumstances, especially in regards to Vietnam veterans' prospects after coming home, sung about in "Born in the U.S.A.". It was Reagan.
 
2012-08-17 02:38:39 PM

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Jster422: Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.


Occam's Nailfile, you and the rest of the people using that argument have missed the point. What Morello objects to is that they rationalize their greed and defend their philosophy of not wanting to help feed the poor - by cutting food stamps and other benefits.

Morello is not a government. He can't single-handedly alter SNAP's budget. He can't force a vote in the Senate about funding TANF.

Morello (if you'd bothered to search google for "Tom Morello charity") is an active giver of charity - first page of hits has him donating 100% of the proceeds from a single release to charity, various guitars he's auctioned for charity, his volunteer work after Katrina, his work for the Best Friends Animal charity (which doesn't feed poor people, proving that Morello is a monster)... He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

What he objects to is rich people who won't be arsed to kick in any more for "institutional charity" - taxes (which go to any number of charitable programs).

It's like every time liberals and Democrats point out that what is objectionable is not a person's wealth, but the implication that wealth = worth and that it's the tax code preventing them from earning that 100th million, Republicans hold their ears and scream about socialism. And then claim that Democrats and liberals only hate rich people for their wealth. Every. Time.

// and you're surprised when we stop addressing that argument
// or you pretend you've "won" the argument that no one but you* was making
* that's the general "you", not Occam's Nailfile "you"
 
2012-08-17 02:39:37 PM

MayoSlather: I also heard Paul Ryan is listening to a lecture series on Voltaire.


Whatever happened to Hang On Voltaire?
 
2012-08-17 02:39:43 PM

Millennium: I can honestly say that I don't understand what's really so strange about this.


The only real 'merit' of RATM is its politics. They aren't even consistently uptempo for a solid workout music album.

/prefer Mastodon, myself
 
2012-08-17 02:40:16 PM

verbaltoxin: BSABSVR: Millennium: Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative

Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?

How exactly is the rich white male conservative demonized in today's society? Are they unable to own land? Hold office? Garner employment? Perhaps they have "white conservatives only" bathrooms that amout to a bucket stuck in a field of poison ivy?

I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.


Which is technically true, but then everybody is demonized by his definition. Still, if we want to go that way, that works too

If society felt that the rich, white male conservative was evil, then Mitt Romney wouldn't be on track to receive between 48-53% of the popular vote.

And as mentioned above, as far as popular culture goes, there are plenty of fictional and non fictional examples of wealthy white dudes (many of them conservative) who are considered admirable. The poster above mentioned Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark, but I would point out that your average white sports star fits that mold as well. Well, aside from the super hero part.
 
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