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(Rolling Stone)   Paul Ryan: My favorite band is Rage Against the Machine. Guitarist: That's like Charles Manson saying his favorite band is the Beatles   (rollingstone.com) divider line 349
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2012-08-17 01:31:36 PM

Rev.K: Nabb1: He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

Fair enough, but this is pretty ridiculous.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Rage Against The Machine was THE political band of the 90s. Their political stance and messaging is a HUGE part of their appeal for most fans. It is so powerful it is utterly impossible to ignore.

If he liked the hard sound of Rage Against The Machine, the 1990s have plenty of fantastic bands to choose from.

That he would pick RATM is just absurdly weird and pretty transparent.


... *eyebrow* ... oh wait, you're only including rock acts. ok, carry on, then.
 
2012-08-17 01:32:30 PM

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


Basic comprehension FAIL.
 
2012-08-17 01:32:53 PM

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


No. I listen to all kinds of things, even some things I don't agree with. I have some gangsta rap I occasionally put on. I expect to be laughed at for it, especially by those who know me. Along the same lines, I laugh that Paul Ryan likes RATM. He has every right to like them, and I don't really care or am outraged, but it's still pretty funny.

Lighten up, dude.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:06 PM

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


You cared enough to make that comment.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:18 PM
Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:19 PM

lennavan: Wow. I liked that article far more than I thought I would and I like this guitarist far more than I thought I would.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.


The funny part is that he himself is super rich.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:22 PM

Nabb1: It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


As far as I know, RATM only does political songs. Usually about how terrible people like Paul Ryan are. It would be like Obama saying he was a big fan of what Ted Nugent says between songs.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:39 PM

cmb53208: Pffft, I had Paul Ryan pegged as a Phil Collins fan.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-08-17 01:34:08 PM
Oh, and No Shelter is pure awesome. It is basically about how people are brainwashed to consume rather than worry about what is happening in the world, and it was used in the Godzilla 2000 movie, lol. Even references it in the song as "pure motherfarking filler"
 
2012-08-17 01:34:57 PM
The man obviously derives great pleasure from abuse
 
2012-08-17 01:35:29 PM
Nixon's favorite band was Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young.
 
2012-08-17 01:35:51 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.


They don't because they think superficially in general.
 
2012-08-17 01:35:52 PM

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


I think it makes him look like a farking moran, just like Chris Christie being obsessed with Springsteen. Apparently lyrics aren't important to these fools, just the pretty sounds that come out of the magic speaker box. No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:13 PM

GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.


Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:24 PM
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Paul Ryan is more interested in sound than substance.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: I'm still surprised Ryan likes RATM, since much of their music advocates violent revolution against... well, people like him.


So you're telling me that this conservative doesn't hate people who disagree with him?

Imagine that.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:07 PM

Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.


Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:11 PM

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


Normally I'd agree. Who cares what he listens to? But in this case the clash between who he is and the music he listens to is way too weird. It's like him saying his favorite book is Das Kapital.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:12 PM
Romney can't decide between N.W.A. and Anal coont.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:33 PM

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


But RATM is all about politics. It means the Ryan is just too stupid to get what the songs are about. It's like someone who reads Animal Farm and thinks it's a book about animals and can't see the deeper meaning.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:46 PM
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dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

If he's a paranoid randroid, he's probably a Radiohead fan.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:55 PM

Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.


Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?
 
2012-08-17 01:39:16 PM

Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.


Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.
 
2012-08-17 01:40:12 PM

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


Rush has come out and said that Rand is stupid now too.
 
2012-08-17 01:41:29 PM

Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative
 
2012-08-17 01:41:29 PM

Corvus: Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

But RATM is all about politics. It means the Ryan is just too stupid to get what the songs are about. It's like someone who reads Animal Farm and thinks it's a book about animals and can't see the deeper meaning.


Not only that, RATM is constantly criticizing America. How the hell do you call out Rev. Wright when you've got Paul Ryan blaring Zack de la Rocha calling America a "land of hypocrisy" in your earphones during every P90X workout?

Yeah, I said it - if your poster child listens to anti-American music, your argument is invalid.
 
2012-08-17 01:41:34 PM

I should be in the kitchen: Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.


or irony...
 
2012-08-17 01:42:23 PM

Aarontology: makes sense. Bulls On Parade seems to encompass his beliefs nicely:

Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetery, now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally round tha family, pocket full of shells


Guess he thought they were in favor of those things.
 
2012-08-17 01:42:31 PM

FitzShivering: xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?

No. I listen to all kinds of things, even some things I don't agree with. I have some gangsta rap I occasionally put on. I expect to be laughed at for it, especially by those who know me. Along the same lines, I laugh that Paul Ryan likes RATM. He has every right to like them, and I don't really care or am outraged, but it's still pretty funny.

Lighten up, dude.


What is it about conservatives, that they always seem to see "mocking laughter" as "outrage"?

/well, Tom Morello seems outraged
//but then, he has always taken himself too seriously
 
2012-08-17 01:43:04 PM

Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


Still though, there are plenty of apolitical bands.

I stopped supporting music with a message I felt was attacking me back in high school. Why would I throw money at that?
 
2012-08-17 01:43:47 PM

SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine


Thanks for the info, Sparky!

Run along, now.
 
2012-08-17 01:43:50 PM

Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative


Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?
 
2012-08-17 01:44:06 PM

dehehn: GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.

Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.


I thought Peart disavowed his earlier Randian thinking, as it was a result of being an early-20s knowitall who loved to read. How this explains Randroid know-nothing functionally illiterate fortysomethings, I have no idea.

// also, "Anthem" is one of the shiattiest short stories I have ever read
 
2012-08-17 01:44:10 PM
I'm pretty much diametrically opposed to their politics, but I really dig some of RATM's stuff.

plus, I'm the only person who laughs at Reds' games when Aroldis Chapman comes out of the bullpen and they play RATM
 
2012-08-17 01:44:18 PM
Spray against the machine.

obsoletegamer.com
 
2012-08-17 01:44:53 PM
Tom Morello is either a Fark lurker, or I'm a Wizard.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-17 01:45:14 PM

Rev.K: Fair enough, but this is pretty ridiculous.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Rage Against The Machine was THE political band of the 90s. Their political stance and messaging is a HUGE part of their appeal for most fans. It is so powerful it is utterly impossible to ignore.

If he liked the hard sound of Rage Against The Machine, the 1990s have plenty of fantastic bands to choose from.

That he would pick RATM is just absurdly weird and pretty transparent.


I'm changing his wiki page to say that his favorite artist is Klaus Nomi.
 
2012-08-17 01:45:48 PM

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


I see what you're saying, but at the same time if a band is *so* political, and so out there to the left it's pretty impossible to ignore their message (I'm a libby lib myself and a RATM fan but even I don't fully agree with them). If there was a conservative equivalent, even if I loved their sound and style at most I might enjoy a song or two, but no way in hell could I claim them as one of my favorite bands.
 
2012-08-17 01:46:12 PM
Next, Romney will be introduced at the convention to "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted"
 
2012-08-17 01:46:31 PM

Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


Apparently Chris Christie is a huge Springsteen fan, although that's a Jersey thing more than anything about politics. And it just eats him up that Springsteen hates his politics.
 
2012-08-17 01:46:55 PM

Rapmaster2000: Nixon's favorite band was Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young.


Well, he did have soul.
 
2012-08-17 01:48:13 PM
This isn't a big deal, but it is funny considering the fact that Paul Ryan *is* the "Machine" that is being Raged Against.
 
2012-08-17 01:48:24 PM
Paul Ryan also said that Ayn Rand inspired him to become a public servant live off the taxpayer's teat, so I don't think he's too bright.
 
2012-08-17 01:48:55 PM
Calm Like A Bomb:
There's a mass without roofs
There's a prison to fill
There's a country's soul that reads post no bills
There's a strike and a line of cops outside of tha mill
There's a right to obey
And there's a right to kill

Sounds like Ryan supports insurrection.
 
2012-08-17 01:49:10 PM
You're talking about people who use "Born in the USA" as fireworks music on the 4th of July because it sounds patriotic to them.
 
2012-08-17 01:49:13 PM

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.


And only a total farking asshole sociopath would look at the system that had helped that earn all that money and decide that it just wasn't skewed enough in their own favor.

Some people can be successful and still want to help those that aren't. Just not people like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
 
2012-08-17 01:50:05 PM
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika


img526.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-17 01:50:40 PM
That must be a terrible moment whenever these Republicans discover their favorite musicians hate them and everything they stand for. And yet, even after the party of personal responsibility and personal property receives cease and desist letter after cease and desist letter, the continue to use music from bands like Rage and Bruce Springsteen.

Any music that actually rocks is not going to support Repbulican derp. The GOP should just stick to country music and christian rock. It's mindless, inoffensive, and all their voters can nod their heads along to it without having to do any of that nasty "thinking" about lyrics and what they mean.
 
2012-08-17 01:50:46 PM
For the "it's just music" people, the difference is that Ryan is a political figure running for prominent office, and has publicly proclaimed his enthusiasm for this band. He doesn't have the luxury of making a distinction between the music and the message because in the public eye a politician co-opts the attitudes of most things he or she professes to like. And don't think they don't have a coterie of calculating advisors and image consultants.

So, yes, he's a dork.
 
2012-08-17 01:51:38 PM

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Yep.
 
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