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2012-08-17 09:01:39 AM  
LOL
 
2012-08-17 09:08:57 AM  
makes sense. Bulls On Parade seems to encompass his beliefs nicely:

Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetary, now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally round tha family, pocket full of shells
 
2012-08-17 09:35:17 AM  
It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.
 
2012-08-17 09:36:03 AM  
Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?
 
2012-08-17 09:40:20 AM  
The Westboro baptist church's devoted followers performed Ozzy's song Crazy Train on the steps of the United States Supreme Court.

Ozzy: "I am sickened and disgusted by the use of 'Crazy Train' to promote messages of hate and evil by a 'church.'"

These 'conservative' idiots just don't get it. Period.
 
2012-08-17 09:40:38 AM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Only seriously retarded young adults. But then the Young Republicans aren't noted for being real bright.
 
2012-08-17 09:40:41 AM  

Paul Ryan loving Rage Against the Machine is the greatest misunderstanding of music since Charles Manson loved the Beatles

- Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) August 11, 2012
 
2012-08-17 09:44:24 AM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Sounds about right. I really can't imagine Paul Ryan rocking it out to "Bulls on Parade."
 
2012-08-17 09:44:54 AM  
i'm guessing ryan loves RATM because it's "awesome to work out to." i'm also guessing he's never actually read any of their lyrics.
 
2012-08-17 09:52:45 AM  
I always pictured Manson to be more of a Beach Boys fan.
 
2012-08-17 09:53:27 AM  

Shostie: I always pictured Manson to be more of a Beach Boys fan.


No, no. Manson's favorite band is "Yes."
 
2012-08-17 09:54:53 AM  

sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.


Oh, I had so forgotten about Prussian Blue! My favorite headline from the over post days: Link
 
2012-08-17 09:57:08 AM  

Shostie: I always pictured Manson to be more of a Beach Boys fan.


Ding ding ding! We have a winner, folks!
 
2012-08-17 10:01:03 AM  

FlashHarry: i'm guessing ryan loves RATM because it's "awesome to work out to." i'm also guessing he's never actually read any of their lyrics.


F*CK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME


He thinks that song is about the Laffer Curve.
 
2012-08-17 10:01:18 AM  
 
2012-08-17 10:30:59 AM  
CALM LIKE A (deficit) BOMB
 
2012-08-17 10:46:59 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Paul Ryan loving Rage Against the Machine is the greatest misunderstanding of music since Charles Manson loved the Beatles- Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) August 11, 2012


The actual tweet makes much more sense. Thanks.
 
2012-08-17 10:50:45 AM  
The Chik Fil A guy loves the Scissor Sisters.
 
2012-08-17 10:51:29 AM  
i45.tinypic.com

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.
 
2012-08-17 10:56:17 AM  
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams (x8)


That was sarcasm, Mr. Ryan.
 
2012-08-17 10:57:17 AM  
They should play "Killing in the Name" when they introduce him at the RNC.
 
2012-08-17 11:00:42 AM  

Jackson Herring: Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams (x8)

That was sarcasm, Mr. Ryan.


lol.

Drivin' down rodeo with a shotgun
These people ain't seen a brown-skinned man
Since their grandparents bought one


Not a long song, Mr. Ryan.
 
2012-08-17 11:01:17 AM  

Rev.K: Not a long song, Mr. Ryan.


That should be love song.

/I'm not even supposed to be here today
 
2012-08-17 11:01:44 AM  

JerseyTim: They should play "Killing in the Name" when they introduce him at the RNC.


Not bad. If the Republicans would start embracing their cartoon-like villainy, I'd at least have some respect for them.
 
2012-08-17 11:04:46 AM  
Hey girl, rage against the Medicare machine.
 
2012-08-17 11:07:26 AM  
The world is my expense
The cost of my desire
Jesus blessed me with its future
And I protect it with fire
So raise your fists
And march around
Just don't take what you need
I'll jail and bury those committed
And smother the rest in greed
Crawl with me into tomorrow
Or I'll drag you to your grave
I'm deep inside your children
They'll betray you in my name


Sounds like Paul Ryan to me

....RATM is great to work out to.....
 
2012-08-17 11:14:22 AM  
Some of those that oppose taxes, are the same that ask for stimulus money
 
2012-08-17 11:15:51 AM  
I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.
 
2012-08-17 11:17:56 AM  

Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.


If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.
 
2012-08-17 11:21:56 AM  
No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta farkin' bullet in ya head

encrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
2012-08-17 11:22:28 AM  
Mister anchor assure me
That Baghdad is burning
Your voice it is so soothing
That cunning mantra of killing
I need you my witness
To dress this up so bloodless
To numb me and purge me now
Of thoughts of blaming you


The above is not an endorsement of the neo-conservative philosophy.
 
2012-08-17 11:22:53 AM  
Ya weigh me on a scale, smellin' burnt skin
It's dark now in Dachau and I'm screamin' from within
Because of a 3% increase on the highest marginal tax bracket
 
2012-08-17 11:22:59 AM  

St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.


He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music
 
2012-08-17 11:24:25 AM  
Hospitals not profit full
The market bulls got pockets full
To advertise
Some hip disguise
View the world from American eyes
Seek the need
Develop the taste
Buy the product
Or get laid to waste
Coca Cola is back in the veins of Saigon
Rambo too, he got a dope pair of Nikes on
Godzilla Romney/Ryan pure motherf*ckin filler
Get your eyes off the real killer
 
2012-08-17 11:24:28 AM  

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music


I'm not a Rage fan, but even from hearing it on the radio I know it's really, really political.
 
2012-08-17 11:25:21 AM  
www.musicfanclubs.org
 
2012-08-17 11:27:01 AM  

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music


Then you'd expect a comment like "I'm not into their politics, but those guys rock." When a politician chooses a band with a political message as his/her favorite band, there are usually only two explanations: 1) they like the music and the message, or 2) they like the music and they don't understand the message.
 
2012-08-17 11:27:01 AM  
And a personal favorite of mine:

Father's expectations, soul soaked in, spit and urine
And you gotta make it where?
To a sanctuary that's a fragile American hell
An empty dream
A selfish, horrific vision
Passed on like the deadliest of viruses
Crushing you and your naive profession
Have no illusions boy
Vomit all ideals and serve
Sleep and wake and serve
And don't just think just wake and serve
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Yeah!
Your friendship is a fog
That disappears when the wind redirects
You! Interested in you, interested in you
Interested in you, interested in you...
 
2012-08-17 11:27:16 AM  

Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.


I think it's because RATM doesn't seem like a band someone like Paul Ryan (or his followers) would listen to. RATM are rather political, and their politics are decidedly not right-oriented, so that adds a level of WTF to the whole thing. Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.
 
2012-08-17 11:27:48 AM  
Good luck with that...
 
2012-08-17 11:27:59 AM  

St_Francis_P: Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music

I'm not a Rage fan, but even from hearing it on the radio I know it's really, really political.


I know that. Does that mean that everyone who listens to them has to subscribe to their beliefs?
 
2012-08-17 11:29:25 AM  

FishyFred: [i45.tinypic.com image 300x300]

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.


Well, that DOES hold true for Johnny Ramone, who was a huge Conservative.
 
2012-08-17 11:30:58 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-17 11:32:00 AM  
Drivin' down Compton with a crossbow
These people ain't seen a white-skinned man
Since their grandparents were bought by one
 
2012-08-17 11:33:21 AM  

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music

I'm not a Rage fan, but even from hearing it on the radio I know it's really, really political.

I know that. Does that mean that everyone who listens to them has to subscribe to their beliefs?


Probably not. It's sort of ironic for him to admit it in public, though.
 
2012-08-17 11:34:02 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: FishyFred: [i45.tinypic.com image 300x300]

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.

Well, that DOES hold true for Johnny Ramone, who was a huge Conservative.


students.cis.uab.edu

Real 'merican.
 
2012-08-17 11:37:31 AM  
tax cuts are a gift 
 
2012-08-17 11:37:58 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: FishyFred: [i45.tinypic.com image 300x300]

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.

Well, that DOES hold true for Johnny Ramone, who was a huge Conservative.


Johnny died in 2004. I somehow doubt he would be supporting Romney today.
 
2012-08-17 11:41:35 AM  

Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.



Bonus: It was also played right after the U.S. Basketball Team won the gold medal in London.
 
2012-08-17 11:43:53 AM  
i285.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-17 11:47:27 AM  
well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine
 
2012-08-17 11:48:58 AM  
This is the kind of vile, disgusting comparison that lowers the bar yet again and turns everyone involved into a bunch of poo-flinging monkeys solely bent on denigrating the other side.
I mean, the Beatles were a good band.
 
2012-08-17 11:50:09 AM  

SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine


I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.
 
2012-08-17 11:51:51 AM  
At the Coachella 2007 performance, De la Rocha made an impassioned speech during "Wake Up", citing a statement by Noam Chomsky regarding the Nuremberg Trials and subsequent actions by US presidents,[17] as follows:

" A good friend of ours once said that if the same laws were applied to U.S. presidents as were applied to the Nazis after World War II [...] every single one of them, every last rich white one of them from Truman on, would have been hung to death and shot-and this current administration is no exception. They should be hung, and tried, and shot. As any war criminal should be.[38] "

A clip of Zack's speech found its way to the Fox News program Hannity & Colmes. An on-screen headline read, "Rock group Rage Against the Machine says Bush admin should be shot." Ann Coulter, a conservative commentator and a guest on the show, stated, "They're losers, their fans are losers, and there's a lot of violence coming from the left wing."[39] Commentator Alan Colmes then challenged Coulter for having said of Bill Clinton, "The only issue is whether to impeach or assassinate,"[40] referring to her 1998 book in which she wrote, "Otherwise there would be debates only about whether to impeach or assassinate."[41]

On July 28 and 29, Rage co-headlined the hip hop festival Rock the Bells. On July 28, they made a speech during their performance of "Wake Up" just as they had done at Coachella. During this, De La Rocha made another statement, defending the band from Fox News whom he claimed had misquoted him:

" A couple of months ago, those fascist motherfarkers at the Fox News Network attempted to pin this band into a corner by suggesting that we said that the president should be assassinated. Nah, what we said was that he should be brought to trial as a war criminal and hung and shot. THAT'S what we said. And we don't back away from the position because the real assassinator [sic] is Bush, and Cheney and the whole administration for the lives they have destroyed here and in Iraq. They're the ones. And what they refused to air which was far more provocative in my mind and in the minds of my bandmates is this: that this system has become so brutal and vicious and cruel that it needs to start wars and profit from the destruction around the world in order to survive as a world power. THAT's what we said. And we refuse not to stand up, we refuse [not] to back down from that position...[42]
 
2012-08-17 11:54:35 AM  

St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.


just informing the ignorant.
 
2012-08-17 11:56:10 AM  

SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.


Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.
 
2012-08-17 12:00:10 PM  
Not RATM but the sentiment's the same

Restless soul, enjoy your youth
Like muhammad hits the truth
Can't escape from the common rule
If you hate something, don't you do it too...too...
Small my table, a sits just two
Got so crowded, i can't make room
Oh, where did they come from? stormed my room!
And you dare say it belongs to you...to you...
This is not for you
This is not for you
This is not for you
Oh, not for you...ah, you...
...scream...my friends...don't call me...
...friends, no they don't scream...
...my friends don't call...my friends don't...
All that's sacred comes from youth
Dedication, naive and true
With no power, nothing to do
I still remember, why don't you...don't you...
This is not for you
This is not for you
This is not for you
Oh, never was for you...fark you...
This is not for you...
Oh, this is not for you...yeah, you...
This is not for you...
Oh, not for you...
Oh, you...
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.
 
2012-08-17 12:06:15 PM  

St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.


He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.
 
2012-08-17 12:12:05 PM  

mrshowrules: PC LOAD LETTER: FishyFred: [i45.tinypic.com image 300x300]

Look how high he holds his guitar. Like a communist prissy homosexual. Real 'mericans sling their axes down low, below the waist.

Well, that DOES hold true for Johnny Ramone, who was a huge Conservative.

Johnny died in 2004. I somehow doubt he would be supporting Romney today.


THE RAMONES NEVER DIE!
 
2012-08-17 12:14:32 PM  

Nabb1: He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


Fair enough, but this is pretty ridiculous.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Rage Against The Machine was THE political band of the 90s. Their political stance and messaging is a HUGE part of their appeal for most fans. It is so powerful it is utterly impossible to ignore.

If he liked the hard sound of Rage Against The Machine, the 1990s have plenty of fantastic bands to choose from.

That he would pick RATM is just absurdly weird and pretty transparent.
 
2012-08-17 12:15:07 PM  
FYI Republicans, the following lyrics are not about the IRS, or your marginal tax rate increasing 4%.

now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

fark you, I won't do what you tell me
 
2012-08-17 12:20:13 PM  
Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?
 
2012-08-17 12:20:40 PM  

impaler: FYI Republicans, the following lyrics are not about the IRS, or your marginal tax rate increasing 4%.

now you're under control
And now you do what they told ya!

Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Those who died are justified, for wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
You justify those that died by wearing the badge, they're the chosen whites
Come on!

Yeah! Come on!

fark you, I won't do what you tell me


I think it's an elliptic reference to the White Man's Burden that today's conservatives have to bear. Ryan was savvy enough to understand, and I'm sure in time RATM will recognize that and thank him for his support.
 
2012-08-17 12:22:22 PM  

Rev.K: Nabb1: He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

Fair enough, but this is pretty ridiculous.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Rage Against The Machine was THE political band of the 90s. Their political stance and messaging is a HUGE part of their appeal for most fans. It is so powerful it is utterly impossible to ignore.

If he liked the hard sound of Rage Against The Machine, the 1990s have plenty of fantastic bands to choose from.

That he would pick RATM is just absurdly weird and pretty transparent.


I'd thing it's slightly odd, but not worthy of outrage. I like Rage. I saw them a few times in the 1990's. Musically, they are really damned good, and I thought they set themselves apart from a lot of hard rock acts of that decade. Not to mention, I remember at the time hearing Rage blaring out of fraternity house windows. Their concerts had their share of the true believers, but it's not like they didn't have a much wider appeal at their peak.
 
2012-08-17 12:23:31 PM  

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


I'm a huge Toby Keith fan. I don't always agree with his political views, but the music is so darn good.
 
2012-08-17 12:26:43 PM  

NuttierThanEver: Not RATM but the sentiment's the same

Restless soul, enjoy your youth
Like muhammad hits the truth
Can't escape from the common rule
If you hate something, don't you do it too...too...
Small my table, a sits just two
Got so crowded, i can't make room
Oh, where did they come from? stormed my room!
And you dare say it belongs to you...to you...
This is not for you
This is not for you
This is not for you
Oh, not for you...ah, you...
...scream...my friends...don't call me...
...friends, no they don't scream...
...my friends don't call...my friends don't...
All that's sacred comes from youth
Dedication, naive and true
With no power, nothing to do
I still remember, why don't you...don't you...
This is not for you
This is not for you
This is not for you
Oh, never was for you...fark you...
This is not for you...
Oh, this is not for you...yeah, you...
This is not for you...
Oh, not for you...
Oh, you...
[ Lyrics from: http://www.lyricsfreak.


I thought that was about Kurt Cobain
 
2012-08-17 12:30:38 PM  

Nabb1: I'd thing it's slightly odd, but not worthy of outrage. I like Rage. I saw them a few times in the 1990's. Musically, they are really damned good, and I thought they set themselves apart from a lot of hard rock acts of that decade. Not to mention, I remember at the time hearing Rage blaring out of fraternity house windows. Their concerts had their share of the true believers, but it's not like they didn't have a much wider appeal at their peak.


Yeah, fair enough.
 
2012-08-17 12:31:26 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I'm a huge Toby Keith fan. I don't always agree with his political views, but the music is so darn good.

 
 
kistenet.com
 
 
2012-08-17 12:36:59 PM  

Rev.K: Yeah, fair enough.


I'm not really sure who's "outraged" here
 
2012-08-17 12:39:46 PM  
What? His favorite band is Rage Against The Machine? Oh. Then I guess it's okay for him to screw over the middle class and those less fortunate in America, because he likes Silversun Pickups and Rage.

/twit
 
2012-08-17 12:40:41 PM  

Jackson Herring: Rev.K: Yeah, fair enough.

I'm not really sure who's "outraged" here


Tom Morello?
 
2012-08-17 12:41:44 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: I'm a huge Toby Keith fan. I don't always agree with his political views, but the music is so darn good.


I dislike the man but "Whiskey for My Men, and Beer for My Horses" is one of my favourite songs.
 
2012-08-17 12:46:58 PM  
Tom Morello makes Woodie Guthrie look like Alan Jackson
 
2012-08-17 12:53:31 PM  
Paul Ryan is also a big fan of Public Enemy and KRS-One
 
2012-08-17 12:53:39 PM  
Mitt Romney's favorite album:

image.lyricspond.com
 
2012-08-17 12:54:14 PM  

vernonFL: Paul Ryan is also a big fan of Public Enemy and KRS-One


THESE ARE THE TAX BREAKS.

OK I know not the same guy whatever.
 
2012-08-17 01:00:18 PM  
Mitt Romney's favorite musician:

www.mtv.com

Tax cuts, tax cuts all type of tax cuts,
Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts for the super-rich,
Girl, girl, get that cash,
If it's being born rich or marrying a rich guy
 
2012-08-17 01:02:46 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Mitt Romney's favorite musician:

[www.mtv.com image 350x365]

Tax cuts, tax cuts all type of tax cuts,
Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts for the super-rich,
Girl, girl, get that cash,
If it's being born rich or marrying a rich guy


Whatever happened to her?
 
2012-08-17 01:04:19 PM  

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


^^^This^^^
 
2012-08-17 01:11:27 PM  

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.
 
2012-08-17 01:19:15 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Mitt Romney's favorite musician:

[www.mtv.com image 350x365]

Tax cuts, tax cuts all type of tax cuts,
Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts for the super-rich,
Girl, girl, get that cash,
If it's being born rich or marrying a rich guy


oh holy shiat
 
2012-08-17 01:23:05 PM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


No, he may really like Rage. He's the right age demographic. He probably has some early rap in his collection, too, he just doesn't talk about it.
 
2012-08-17 01:25:12 PM  
Seriously. The entire GOP is just trolling. They have to be.
 
2012-08-17 01:26:15 PM  

djkutch: sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.

Oh, I had so forgotten about Prussian Blue! My favorite headline from the over post days: Link


The Fark submission is redlinked :(

Here's the link they used: http://www.webexhibits.org/pigments/indiv/technical/prussblue.html

And here's the money shot: "willywanka: from a medical transcript excerpt out of the Chernobyl aftermath:

"And all 20 patients were internally contaminated, which meant that they were being continually irradiated from the cesium that they had inhaled or accidentally ingested. The patients themselves were radioactive. Because the patients themselves were radioactive: the first task was to attempt to rid their bodies of cesium. For this, they administered Prussian blue, an iron compound that bonds with cesium, aiding its excretion."

So there you have. These girls make one involuntarily shiat toxins. Go figure."
 
2012-08-17 01:26:41 PM  
I just want to thank Mittens and Paul for getting me back on a Dead Kennedys kick. Lots of great songs I had forgotten.
 
2012-08-17 01:26:44 PM  
It's like Turkey changing their national anthem to a System of a Down song.

// "Chic'n'Stu", for the lulz
 
2012-08-17 01:28:11 PM  
Wow. I liked that article far more than I thought I would and I like this guitarist far more than I thought I would.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.
 
2012-08-17 01:28:14 PM  
fark you, I won't pay what you tell me. fark you, I won't pay what you tell me!
 
2012-08-17 01:28:35 PM  

Cythraul: sweetmelissa31: Mitt Romney's favorite musician:

[www.mtv.com image 350x365]

Tax cuts, tax cuts all type of tax cuts,
Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts for the super-rich,
Girl, girl, get that cash,
If it's being born rich or marrying a rich guy

Whatever happened to her?


I think she suffocated in that garbage bag she's wearing.
 
2012-08-17 01:29:25 PM  
Press Releases for Tomorrow:

Romney: My favorite band is Cannibal Corpse
Obama: My favorite artist is Ted Nugent
 
2012-08-17 01:29:39 PM  
So basically, RATM is mad because someone heard their music and liked it, but still doesn't agree with them.
 
2012-08-17 01:29:58 PM  
Hey, I'm a Libertarian and like RATM. They play good music. If I worried about the political views of every product I bought I'd never get anything done.

Of course, I've never actually bought a RATM album. Just downloaded it from the internet because "to each according to his need", and those guys already make way too much money, right?
 
2012-08-17 01:30:19 PM  
The real joke here is that someone compared RATM to The Beatles.
 
2012-08-17 01:30:19 PM  

GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.


A lot of Rush's music was inspired by Rand's work. Still good music, regardless.

I'm still surprised Ryan likes RATM, since much of their music advocates violent revolution against... well, people like him.
 
2012-08-17 01:30:20 PM  
Pffft, I had Paul Ryan pegged as a Phil Collins fan.
 
2012-08-17 01:30:40 PM  
RATM is more anti-establishment, in my opinion. Although they could also be said to be Marxist.

But yeah, he probably likes it for working out. It is kick ass workout music.

Either way, was a stupid thing to say (as it would be stupid for any R or D politician to say, considering their lyrics).

RATM kicks ass though.
 
2012-08-17 01:30:42 PM  
Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.
 
2012-08-17 01:31:05 PM  
Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?
 
2012-08-17 01:31:08 PM  
In other news:

David Duke announced his favorite band is Public Enemy (the old stuff when the S1Ws were still around)

Related Articles:

Jesse Jackson: "I really find Skrewdriver's music helping me keep up with my calisthenics"

KRS-ONE: New album in sponsorship with the Pork Council announced
 
2012-08-17 01:31:08 PM  

HeartBurnKid: GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.

A lot of Rush's music was inspired by Rand's work. Still good music, regardless.

I'm still surprised Ryan likes RATM, since much of their music advocates violent revolution against... well, people like him.


Self-hatred is a particularly pernicious thing.
 
2012-08-17 01:31:36 PM  

Rev.K: Nabb1: He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

Fair enough, but this is pretty ridiculous.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Rage Against The Machine was THE political band of the 90s. Their political stance and messaging is a HUGE part of their appeal for most fans. It is so powerful it is utterly impossible to ignore.

If he liked the hard sound of Rage Against The Machine, the 1990s have plenty of fantastic bands to choose from.

That he would pick RATM is just absurdly weird and pretty transparent.


... *eyebrow* ... oh wait, you're only including rock acts. ok, carry on, then.
 
2012-08-17 01:32:30 PM  

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


Basic comprehension FAIL.
 
2012-08-17 01:32:53 PM  

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


No. I listen to all kinds of things, even some things I don't agree with. I have some gangsta rap I occasionally put on. I expect to be laughed at for it, especially by those who know me. Along the same lines, I laugh that Paul Ryan likes RATM. He has every right to like them, and I don't really care or am outraged, but it's still pretty funny.

Lighten up, dude.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:06 PM  

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


You cared enough to make that comment.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:18 PM  
Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:19 PM  

lennavan: Wow. I liked that article far more than I thought I would and I like this guitarist far more than I thought I would.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.


The funny part is that he himself is super rich.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:22 PM  

Nabb1: It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


As far as I know, RATM only does political songs. Usually about how terrible people like Paul Ryan are. It would be like Obama saying he was a big fan of what Ted Nugent says between songs.
 
2012-08-17 01:33:39 PM  

cmb53208: Pffft, I had Paul Ryan pegged as a Phil Collins fan.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-08-17 01:34:08 PM  
Oh, and No Shelter is pure awesome. It is basically about how people are brainwashed to consume rather than worry about what is happening in the world, and it was used in the Godzilla 2000 movie, lol. Even references it in the song as "pure motherfarking filler"
 
2012-08-17 01:34:57 PM  
The man obviously derives great pleasure from abuse
 
2012-08-17 01:35:29 PM  
Nixon's favorite band was Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young.
 
2012-08-17 01:35:51 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.


They don't because they think superficially in general.
 
2012-08-17 01:35:52 PM  

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


I think it makes him look like a farking moran, just like Chris Christie being obsessed with Springsteen. Apparently lyrics aren't important to these fools, just the pretty sounds that come out of the magic speaker box. No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:13 PM  

GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.


Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:24 PM  
It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Paul Ryan is more interested in sound than substance.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:31 PM  

HeartBurnKid: I'm still surprised Ryan likes RATM, since much of their music advocates violent revolution against... well, people like him.


So you're telling me that this conservative doesn't hate people who disagree with him?

Imagine that.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:07 PM  

Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.


Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:11 PM  

xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?


Normally I'd agree. Who cares what he listens to? But in this case the clash between who he is and the music he listens to is way too weird. It's like him saying his favorite book is Das Kapital.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:12 PM  
Romney can't decide between N.W.A. and Anal coont.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:33 PM  

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


But RATM is all about politics. It means the Ryan is just too stupid to get what the songs are about. It's like someone who reads Animal Farm and thinks it's a book about animals and can't see the deeper meaning.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:46 PM  
D

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

If he's a paranoid randroid, he's probably a Radiohead fan.
 
2012-08-17 01:37:55 PM  

Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.


Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?
 
2012-08-17 01:39:16 PM  

Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.


Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.
 
2012-08-17 01:40:12 PM  

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


Rush has come out and said that Rand is stupid now too.
 
2012-08-17 01:41:29 PM  

Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative
 
2012-08-17 01:41:29 PM  

Corvus: Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

But RATM is all about politics. It means the Ryan is just too stupid to get what the songs are about. It's like someone who reads Animal Farm and thinks it's a book about animals and can't see the deeper meaning.


Not only that, RATM is constantly criticizing America. How the hell do you call out Rev. Wright when you've got Paul Ryan blaring Zack de la Rocha calling America a "land of hypocrisy" in your earphones during every P90X workout?

Yeah, I said it - if your poster child listens to anti-American music, your argument is invalid.
 
2012-08-17 01:41:34 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: Kinda reminds me of Glenn Beck praising Muse's "The Resistance", saying the lyrics embodied conservative ideals. Until he got a cease & desist from the band's management.

Conservatives apparently don't understand music lyrics at all.


or irony...
 
2012-08-17 01:42:23 PM  

Aarontology: makes sense. Bulls On Parade seems to encompass his beliefs nicely:

Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetery, now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally round tha family, pocket full of shells


Guess he thought they were in favor of those things.
 
2012-08-17 01:42:31 PM  

FitzShivering: xtragrind: Who cares? The lib derp in this thread over what band he likes is hilarious. Do you guy really care that much what he listens to?

No. I listen to all kinds of things, even some things I don't agree with. I have some gangsta rap I occasionally put on. I expect to be laughed at for it, especially by those who know me. Along the same lines, I laugh that Paul Ryan likes RATM. He has every right to like them, and I don't really care or am outraged, but it's still pretty funny.

Lighten up, dude.


What is it about conservatives, that they always seem to see "mocking laughter" as "outrage"?

/well, Tom Morello seems outraged
//but then, he has always taken himself too seriously
 
2012-08-17 01:43:04 PM  

Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


Still though, there are plenty of apolitical bands.

I stopped supporting music with a message I felt was attacking me back in high school. Why would I throw money at that?
 
2012-08-17 01:43:47 PM  

SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine


Thanks for the info, Sparky!

Run along, now.
 
2012-08-17 01:43:50 PM  

Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative


Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?
 
2012-08-17 01:44:06 PM  

dehehn: GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.

Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.


I thought Peart disavowed his earlier Randian thinking, as it was a result of being an early-20s knowitall who loved to read. How this explains Randroid know-nothing functionally illiterate fortysomethings, I have no idea.

// also, "Anthem" is one of the shiattiest short stories I have ever read
 
2012-08-17 01:44:10 PM  
I'm pretty much diametrically opposed to their politics, but I really dig some of RATM's stuff.

plus, I'm the only person who laughs at Reds' games when Aroldis Chapman comes out of the bullpen and they play RATM
 
2012-08-17 01:44:18 PM  
Spray against the machine.

obsoletegamer.com
 
2012-08-17 01:44:53 PM  
Tom Morello is either a Fark lurker, or I'm a Wizard.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-17 01:45:14 PM  

Rev.K: Fair enough, but this is pretty ridiculous.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Rage Against The Machine was THE political band of the 90s. Their political stance and messaging is a HUGE part of their appeal for most fans. It is so powerful it is utterly impossible to ignore.

If he liked the hard sound of Rage Against The Machine, the 1990s have plenty of fantastic bands to choose from.

That he would pick RATM is just absurdly weird and pretty transparent.


I'm changing his wiki page to say that his favorite artist is Klaus Nomi.
 
2012-08-17 01:45:48 PM  

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


I see what you're saying, but at the same time if a band is *so* political, and so out there to the left it's pretty impossible to ignore their message (I'm a libby lib myself and a RATM fan but even I don't fully agree with them). If there was a conservative equivalent, even if I loved their sound and style at most I might enjoy a song or two, but no way in hell could I claim them as one of my favorite bands.
 
2012-08-17 01:46:12 PM  
Next, Romney will be introduced at the convention to "AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted"
 
2012-08-17 01:46:31 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


Apparently Chris Christie is a huge Springsteen fan, although that's a Jersey thing more than anything about politics. And it just eats him up that Springsteen hates his politics.
 
2012-08-17 01:46:55 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Nixon's favorite band was Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young.


Well, he did have soul.
 
2012-08-17 01:48:13 PM  
This isn't a big deal, but it is funny considering the fact that Paul Ryan *is* the "Machine" that is being Raged Against.
 
2012-08-17 01:48:24 PM  
Paul Ryan also said that Ayn Rand inspired him to become a public servant live off the taxpayer's teat, so I don't think he's too bright.
 
2012-08-17 01:48:55 PM  
Calm Like A Bomb:
There's a mass without roofs
There's a prison to fill
There's a country's soul that reads post no bills
There's a strike and a line of cops outside of tha mill
There's a right to obey
And there's a right to kill

Sounds like Ryan supports insurrection.
 
2012-08-17 01:49:10 PM  
You're talking about people who use "Born in the USA" as fireworks music on the 4th of July because it sounds patriotic to them.
 
2012-08-17 01:49:13 PM  

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.


And only a total farking asshole sociopath would look at the system that had helped that earn all that money and decide that it just wasn't skewed enough in their own favor.

Some people can be successful and still want to help those that aren't. Just not people like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
 
2012-08-17 01:50:05 PM  
This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika


img526.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-17 01:50:40 PM  
That must be a terrible moment whenever these Republicans discover their favorite musicians hate them and everything they stand for. And yet, even after the party of personal responsibility and personal property receives cease and desist letter after cease and desist letter, the continue to use music from bands like Rage and Bruce Springsteen.

Any music that actually rocks is not going to support Repbulican derp. The GOP should just stick to country music and christian rock. It's mindless, inoffensive, and all their voters can nod their heads along to it without having to do any of that nasty "thinking" about lyrics and what they mean.
 
2012-08-17 01:50:46 PM  
For the "it's just music" people, the difference is that Ryan is a political figure running for prominent office, and has publicly proclaimed his enthusiasm for this band. He doesn't have the luxury of making a distinction between the music and the message because in the public eye a politician co-opts the attitudes of most things he or she professes to like. And don't think they don't have a coterie of calculating advisors and image consultants.

So, yes, he's a dork.
 
2012-08-17 01:51:38 PM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Yep.
 
2012-08-17 01:52:24 PM  
Maybe Ryan was the fratboy in the crowd that just wanted to pound beers and mosh.

I can also buy that he genuinely believes he's raging against the "big government tax and spend liberal" machine.

But I don't think you can disassociate a band's lyrics from their music. It's one thing if a band has offstage political opinions that you disagree with. It's another thing if every single song has a political message.
 
2012-08-17 01:52:49 PM  
I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-17 01:54:04 PM  
What is it about the hard right wing mindset that means you're oblivious to layers of meaning subtly and humor? Really what is it? Cause its just keeps happening.

There are plenty of rational conservatives that are funny and thoughtful, but as soon as you enter that right-winger-reactionary zone things just collapse into black and white with only the literal meanings remaining.

It just adds fuel to the fire that the hard-right, objectivist, RWA, mindset is more of a personality defect than anything.
 
2012-08-17 01:54:43 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

Still though, there are plenty of apolitical bands.


There are bands that keep politics out of their overarching messages (or that don't even have overarching messages), but apolitical musicians are actually quite hard to find. It's a consequence of human perspective: they have opinions, and opinions color a person's worldview, and that inevitably creeps into at least some of their works.

I stopped supporting music with a message I felt was attacking me back in high school. Why would I throw money at that?

If your options are to throw money at the music you like, let the message of the music drive you away, or steal the music in some kind of misguided "protest," then yeah; you've got some choices to make. If you choose to keep listening, though, then you're going to go nuts if you don't learn to let it slide.
 
2012-08-17 01:57:57 PM  
To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.

What would the reaction from the right be if Obama mentions he rocks out to Megadeth, or the Nuge?

Also, if you like Rage, you'll probably dig One Day as a Lion - Zach and former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore.
 
2012-08-17 01:58:37 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 355x400]


I thought he'd be a big Voodoo Glow Skulls fan... 

www.recordsale.de
 
2012-08-17 02:00:42 PM  
RATM to release an anti Ryan song in 3, 2, 1....
 
2012-08-17 02:02:48 PM  

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.


If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.
 
2012-08-17 02:03:46 PM  
I dunno, maybe I just don't trust somebody who's all, "I understand what the poor are going through and mass consumerism is bad and don't forget to buy my new album, available at all record stores next week!"
 
2012-08-17 02:07:21 PM  

Millennium: Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative

Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?


How exactly is the rich white male conservative demonized in today's society? Are they unable to own land? Hold office? Garner employment? Perhaps they have "white conservatives only" bathrooms that amout to a bucket stuck in a field of poison ivy?
 
2012-08-17 02:09:33 PM  

Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?


he's a Republican, so of course not. Though to be fair, Ryan at least hasn't used any RATM for his entrance music... yet.
 
2012-08-17 02:09:36 PM  

Dr Dreidel: dehehn: GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.

Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.

I thought Peart disavowed his earlier Randian thinking, as it was a result of being an early-20s knowitall who loved to read. How this explains Randroid know-nothing functionally illiterate fortysomethings, I have no idea.

// also, "Anthem" is one of the shiattiest short stories I have ever read


Sh*tty story, great album. It was shallow enough to fit neatly into Peart's lyrics in between all the jamming.
 
2012-08-17 02:09:45 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Tom Morello is either a Fark lurker, or I'm a Wizard.

[i49.tinypic.com image 850x82]


Good call.
 
2012-08-17 02:10:58 PM  

Arkanaut: Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.

Apparently Chris Christie is a huge Springsteen fan, although that's a Jersey thing more than anything about politics. And it just eats him up that Springsteen hates his politics.


Well, for once something is eating him up, instead of the other way around.
 
2012-08-17 02:11:21 PM  

SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.


Sounds like you informed yourself. Reading is fundamental you know.
 
2012-08-17 02:12:29 PM  

Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.


HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?
 
2012-08-17 02:13:03 PM  
Why is it weird? Cognitive Dissonance is one of the cornerstones of their platform.

"I sure do love the down-home message of a political band that opposes everything I stand for!"

is sorta like:

"Tax cuts for the rich and tax increase on the middle class will help the middle class!!"
 
2012-08-17 02:13:19 PM  
I saw RATM in Chicago in 08. Zach went on about supporting Obama.
Rayn being a RATM fan makes about as much sense as a black David Allen Coe fan.
 
2012-08-17 02:13:52 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

he's a Republican, so of course not. Though to be fair, Ryan at least hasn't used any RATM for his entrance music... yet.


Right which is my point. He looks at things superficially. He is not really a deep thinker, which is not people I think I want for a politician.
 
2012-08-17 02:14:39 PM  
Isn't he like an objectivist/satanist whatever... seems like some viking death metal would be his deal...
 
2012-08-17 02:16:05 PM  

Headso: Isn't he like an objectivist/satanist whatever... seems like some viking death metal would be his deal...


Don't you goddamn dare ruin Amon Amarth for me.
 
2012-08-17 02:18:10 PM  

Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


They are demonized for a reason.

If everybody hates you, wouldn't you eventually get that the problem is you and not everybody?

Only if you could think and reason, not a hallmark of the conservative.
 
2012-08-17 02:18:37 PM  

Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?


Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.
 
2012-08-17 02:19:24 PM  

Arkanaut: Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.

Apparently Chris Christie is a huge Springsteen fan, although that's a Jersey thing more than anything about politics. And it just eats him up that Springsteen hates his politics.


Well, I for one am certainly glad he hasn't fallen into the trap of reexamining his worldviews and the impacts of his behavior on his fellow man.
 
2012-08-17 02:20:02 PM  

BSABSVR: Millennium: Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative

Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?

How exactly is the rich white male conservative demonized in today's society? Are they unable to own land? Hold office? Garner employment? Perhaps they have "white conservatives only" bathrooms that amout to a bucket stuck in a field of poison ivy?


I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.
 
2012-08-17 02:20:35 PM  
FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."


Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.
 
2012-08-17 02:22:21 PM  

Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?

Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.


Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.
 
2012-08-17 02:22:29 PM  
Zack de la Rocha is clearly on the side of the Republicans and supply side economics. He's even wearing a suit, like a job creator.

i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-17 02:22:55 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Yeah how dare Tom have political views and express them, and even use his own money to support them? It's like he's a Koch brother or something!
 
2012-08-17 02:23:18 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Does he want lower taxes for himself and higher taxes for the poor?

No?

Then he isn't a hypocrite.
 
2012-08-17 02:23:32 PM  
My favorite song is "Jesus Take the Wheel"

She was driving last Friday on her way to Cincinnati
On a snow white Christmas Eve
Going home to see her Mama and her Daddy with the baby in the backseat
Fifty miles to go and she was running low on faith and gasoline
It'd been a long hard year
She had a lot on her mind and she didn't pay attention
she was going way too fast
Before she knew it she was spinning on a thin black sheet of glass
She saw both their lives flash before her eyes
She didn't even have time to cry
She was so scared
She threw her hands up in the air

"Jesus take the wheel"
"Take it from my hands"
 
2012-08-17 02:25:17 PM  

verbaltoxin: I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.


There are plenty of good role models for rich people in comics. Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, Richie Rich, Ted Kord, etc. They show you can be wealthy and good as long as you're willing to personally punch in some junkie's face.
 
2012-08-17 02:25:52 PM  

impaler: My favorite song is "Jesus Take the Wheel"

She was driving last Friday on her way to Cincinnati
On a snow white Christmas Eve
Going home to see her Mama and her Daddy with the baby in the backseat
Fifty miles to go and she was running low on faith and gasoline
It'd been a long hard year
She had a lot on her mind and she didn't pay attention
she was going way too fast
Before she knew it she was spinning on a thin black sheet of glass
She saw both their lives flash before her eyes
She didn't even have time to cry
She was so scared
She threw her hands up in the air

"Jesus take the wheel"
"Take it from my hands"


If the second part of the song describes her skidding into a fiery death, then it's one of the most metal songs ever written.

But I have a feeling it doesn't go that way.
 
2012-08-17 02:26:30 PM  
IF you're not listening for the meaning behind lyrics, then you are not the type of person I want to elect.

We need thinkers in office.

Also, I would like someone to point to this story each time a liberal states they like gangster rap about cop killing.
 
2012-08-17 02:28:52 PM  

odinsposse: verbaltoxin: I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.

There are plenty of good role models for rich people in comics. Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark, Richie Rich, Ted Kord, etc. They show you can be wealthy and good as long as you're willing to personally punch in some junkie's face.


Agreed. I was just saying rich, white people are not discriminated against, and have no idea what it means to face discrimination. Demonization though, sure, that happens daily on Fark.
 
2012-08-17 02:29:16 PM  
Next you guys will tell me that Born in the U.S.A. isn't an awesomely patriotic song about how great America is.
 
2012-08-17 02:31:45 PM  

tricycleracer: Next you guys will tell me that Born in the U.S.A. isn't an awesomely patriotic song about how great America is.


But...but...they play it on the 4th of July!
 
2012-08-17 02:31:46 PM  

sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.


I feel dumber having read this. Please stop posting.
 
2012-08-17 02:31:59 PM  

Jster422: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?

Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.

Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.


Never said he campaigned to lower his tax burden. You can bold the part where I said that.

Let's look at his quote again.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.


Is he super rich: Yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend: Yes
Do millions of children in the US go to bed hungry: Yes

Therefor, he is complaining about the very thing he himself is.

I know that if he is doing stuff with his money to help other it obviously isn't enough for his own criteria, since he is still super rich.
 
2012-08-17 02:32:14 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.


I can honestly say that I don't understand what's really so strange about this. Sometimes people who hold great respect for one another disagree very deeply. They learn to deal with that, or else they stop getting along, and sometimes one learns to deal and the other does not. Those are the really sad cases, but they are far from universal.

Lots of cross-political friendships work this way. It's even more important for cross-political marriages. Cross-political fandoms are also not unheard of. I can't say I've personally heard of a cross-political favorite band, but I also can't say I understand why it would be such a strange thing.
 
2012-08-17 02:34:25 PM  
The article comments are derptastic.
 
2012-08-17 02:36:51 PM  
Everyone here seems convinced that Ran is either not listening to the lyrics or is clueless about the politics of the band. I think it's more likely (and scarier) to think that he's aware of the band's activist and revolutionary stance, but is recasting it in his head so that he and his fellow Randian "individualists" are fighting against the crushing conformity and soul-destroying, life-sucking power of the Democrat(ic) party, voting-rights activists and Keynsian economic theories. He's the hero in his head.
 
2012-08-17 02:37:17 PM  
I also heard Paul Ryan is listening to a lecture series on Voltaire. What kind of cognitive dissonance must exist within him if he is interested in the ideas of the man considered to be the father of the Enlightenment who was a humanist, anti-religion, and often considered a radical thinker for his time.

Paul is the antithesis of everything Voltaire stood for...I'm sure Ryan believes he shares the same anti-government stance, in reality Ryan is a small minded traditionalist, and simply wants power to coalesce in the hands of big business as opposed to the hands of government.
 
2012-08-17 02:37:59 PM  
I'd say that at this point, it's official: the republicans want Obama to win. Why? Because they like the way things are going. Congress blocks or porks out most everything Obama tries to pass, and meanwhile he takes the blame for the economy and lack of jobs, even though these problems stem from republican corporate heads who are halting production and outsourcing jobs. As soon as a Republican is elected, They'll invest in raw materials with the trillions of dollars they've been clinging to and start up production. Everyone will be so desperate for jobs at this point, that all in-country hires will be done at or close to minimum wage with few benefits, and the unions will be weakened to the point of breaking due to the surplus of willing scabs. All the while, Fux news will hail the GOP as the Saviors of the economy, while downplaying the success of Obama's stimulus package. Then come the mandatory "Inoculations" which are really just flavor enhancers for our new alien overlords.
 
2012-08-17 02:38:32 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


What if he used his money to found a non-profit group to work towards social justice - would that be okay? I can't find a link to the episode where his quadrillion-dollar mansion was featured on 'Cribs', so if you could pass that along I would appreciate it.

But that's me falling into the same old trap - look: NOBODY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T BE RICH. Okay? Really, what 99% of people of 'lib-tards' are saying is that you should just A. Not get rich by completely farking over your fellow man, and B. Once rich, not immediately begin farking over your fellow man

Mitt Romney driving companies into bankruptcy to pocket some cash violates A.
Paul Ryan lowering the tax rate on billionaires by raising it on everyone else violates B.
 
2012-08-17 02:38:37 PM  

Coco LaFemme: ...Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


Not to mention it specifically was Reagan and his policies (namely, the gutting of mental health care in the US and woefully underfunding the VA) that directly screwed over Vietnam vets.

It wasn't merely people like Reagan who created the bleak circumstances, especially in regards to Vietnam veterans' prospects after coming home, sung about in "Born in the U.S.A.". It was Reagan.
 
2012-08-17 02:38:39 PM  

Occam's Nailfile: FTFA:

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser."

Tell us, Tom, exactly how much money do YOU have, that you don't need? If there's a farking hungry person left in the world, and you're living in luxury - as you most definitely are - then you're a farking hypocrite.


Jster422: Really? Morello actively campaigns to lower his tax burden? That's a thing that happens? Also - what is your level of certainty that he does nothing with his money that helps others? I don't actually know myself, but you seem pretty sure that you know.


Occam's Nailfile, you and the rest of the people using that argument have missed the point. What Morello objects to is that they rationalize their greed and defend their philosophy of not wanting to help feed the poor - by cutting food stamps and other benefits.

Morello is not a government. He can't single-handedly alter SNAP's budget. He can't force a vote in the Senate about funding TANF.

Morello (if you'd bothered to search google for "Tom Morello charity") is an active giver of charity - first page of hits has him donating 100% of the proceeds from a single release to charity, various guitars he's auctioned for charity, his volunteer work after Katrina, his work for the Best Friends Animal charity (which doesn't feed poor people, proving that Morello is a monster)... He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

What he objects to is rich people who won't be arsed to kick in any more for "institutional charity" - taxes (which go to any number of charitable programs).

It's like every time liberals and Democrats point out that what is objectionable is not a person's wealth, but the implication that wealth = worth and that it's the tax code preventing them from earning that 100th million, Republicans hold their ears and scream about socialism. And then claim that Democrats and liberals only hate rich people for their wealth. Every. Time.

// and you're surprised when we stop addressing that argument
// or you pretend you've "won" the argument that no one but you* was making
* that's the general "you", not Occam's Nailfile "you"
 
2012-08-17 02:39:37 PM  

MayoSlather: I also heard Paul Ryan is listening to a lecture series on Voltaire.


Whatever happened to Hang On Voltaire?
 
2012-08-17 02:39:43 PM  

Millennium: I can honestly say that I don't understand what's really so strange about this.


The only real 'merit' of RATM is its politics. They aren't even consistently uptempo for a solid workout music album.

/prefer Mastodon, myself
 
2012-08-17 02:40:16 PM  

verbaltoxin: BSABSVR: Millennium: Jackson Herring: Millennium: Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

AHHHHH hahahah yeah the poor downtrodden rich white male conservative

Dismiss all you want, but out of that post, what exactly did I say that was incorrect?

How exactly is the rich white male conservative demonized in today's society? Are they unable to own land? Hold office? Garner employment? Perhaps they have "white conservatives only" bathrooms that amout to a bucket stuck in a field of poison ivy?

I think you mean "discriminated against" not "demonized." To demonize someone is to stereotype them as evil. Which is done all the time. Example: Lex Luthor, the evilest, richest white man ever in comics.


Which is technically true, but then everybody is demonized by his definition. Still, if we want to go that way, that works too

If society felt that the rich, white male conservative was evil, then Mitt Romney wouldn't be on track to receive between 48-53% of the popular vote.

And as mentioned above, as far as popular culture goes, there are plenty of fictional and non fictional examples of wealthy white dudes (many of them conservative) who are considered admirable. The poster above mentioned Bruce Wayne and Tony Stark, but I would point out that your average white sports star fits that mold as well. Well, aside from the super hero part.
 
2012-08-17 02:40:18 PM  

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music


No, you're thinking of Ravel's Bolero.
 
2012-08-17 02:40:27 PM  

Millennium: Snatch Bandergrip: To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.

I can honestly say that I don't understand what's really so strange about this. Sometimes people who hold great respect for one another disagree very deeply. They learn to deal with that, or else they stop getting along, and sometimes one learns to deal and the other does not. Those are the really sad cases, but they are far from universal.

Lots of cross-political friendships work this way. It's even more important for cross-political marriages. Cross-political fandoms are also not unheard of. I can't say I've personally heard of a cross-political favorite band, but I also can't say I understand why it would be such a strange thing.


Would you not be a bit shocked to finda group of Black people listening to David Allen Coe?
 
2012-08-17 02:40:55 PM  
Conservatives are about as substantive as a piece of paper. They are constantly talking about "what it looks like". I would not be surprised that Ryan chose that band simply because the words "Rage" and "Machine" are in their title. If he were pressed to name one song, or album, I'll bet he couldn't.
 
2012-08-17 02:41:12 PM  

Spade: Is he super rich: Yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend: Yes
Do millions of children in the US go to bed hungry: Yes

Therefor, he is complaining about the very thing he himself is.

I know that if he is doing stuff with his money to help other it obviously isn't enough for his own criteria, since he is still super rich.


This seems like a silly overgeneralization of his statement. I don't think he ever meant the rich must give all their money away until they too are poor. That just doesn't make sense. Working for a more equitable redistribution of wealth from the top to the bottom I think is something more along the lines of what he was discussing. As well as using your wealth and influence to impact social change. All of which he does.
 
2012-08-17 02:41:22 PM  
This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?
 
2012-08-17 02:41:24 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


Ever heard the acoustic version? It fits the theme rather better than the version that gets all the airtime.
 
2012-08-17 02:44:00 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Would you not be a bit shocked to finda group of Black people listening to David Allen Coe?


Sure, I'd raise an eyebrow. Who wouldn't? But my first assumptions would not be to paint the listeners as hypocritical or stupid.
 
2012-08-17 02:44:41 PM  

balloot: This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?


He went to Miami. He probably thought himself as one of the cool kids just cause he listed to 97x or something. I bet he was really an Extra Beats fan.
 
2012-08-17 02:44:43 PM  

balloot: This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?


His second favorite band is Savage Garden.
 
2012-08-17 02:49:25 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Morello is not a government. He can't single-handedly alter SNAP's budget. He can't force a vote in the Senate about funding TANF.

Morello (if you'd bothered to search google for "Tom Morello charity") is an active giver of charity - first page of hits has him donating 100% of the proceeds from a single release to charity, various guitars he's auctioned for charity, his volunteer work after Katrina, his work for the Best Friends Animal charity (which doesn't feed poor people, proving that Morello is a monster)... He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

What he objects to is rich people who won't be arsed to kick in any more for "institutional charity" - taxes (which go to any number of charitable programs).


Oh, wow. He just does so much. Look at all that money he donates. Why, he donates so much his net worth is still in the tens of millions! What a noble sacrifice. That's like me flipping a bum a quarter and then talking about how great I am.

Sure he objects to rich people who won't kick in more taxes. But I don't see him voluntarily doing it himself either while all those kids go to sleep hungry. He could do that, you know. Send it right to the government and post up his returns and canceled checks with a "I donated 49% of my total income, why can't you?" comment. Maybe even voluntarily tax all that net wealth he has laying around.

Plus, I could make the argument that all that happy talk of his sounds a lot like really good marketing directed at his target demographic. Gotta appeal to those noble fellow travelers or they might not shell out for that next album or show ticket.
 
2012-08-17 02:49:32 PM  

Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.

Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

If he's against how the system is run, why does he choose to be part of the system?

It's like how Chomsky was against trust funds...and had set some up himself.

HUH? So what he should move to a new country?

So does that mean every Republican who doesn't like what Obama does should shut up and move too?

Never said that he should leave. Let's look at his comment.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

He has more than he could ever spend ($60m or so?). How many of those millions of kids has he helped? Not many, considering by his own account he STILL has a shiatload of money in his account.

Oh, wait, he probably thinks other people or the government should step up so he doesn't have to. He could be living nicely on $100k a year somewhere in America and spending the rest of his vast wealth and high yearly income helping hungry kids and still be better off than most of America. And he chooses not to, but instead takes shots at people who are doing the exact same thing he is.


Here are a few charities and causes that RATM supports

You know if you did a simple Google search for "Rage Against the Machine charity" before you posted your little tirade you would have found quite a few links and avoided looking like a complete idiot.

This Right wing strategy of criticizing rich people for supporting the rights of the poor and middle class completely befuddles me. I don't understand how somebody can think that just because somebody is rich that they can't support and want to help the middle class and poor succeed or speak up for them, especially when the rich person that is speaking for the poor and middle class came from a poor or middle class background.
 
2012-08-17 02:51:41 PM  

Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


Exactly. I like RATM. I really do miss them and wish they had a comeback tour during the Bush years. But I don't care too much for their politics anymore. I grew up and got older.
 
2012-08-17 02:53:36 PM  
Sure, it's understandable. Ryan sees Freedom, Killing in the Name Of and Bulls on Parade as instruction manuals.
 
2012-08-17 02:54:03 PM  

Aarontology: makes sense. Bulls On Parade seems to encompass his beliefs nicely:

Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes
Not need, just feed the war cannibal animal
I walk the corner to the rubble that used to be a library
Line up to the mind cemetary, now
What we don't know keeps the contracts alive an movin'
They don't gotta burn tha books they just remove 'em
While arms warehouses fill as quick as the cells
Rally round tha family, pocket full of shells


Of course Ryan loves RATM. He just uses it as a manual of how to run government rather than a scathing indictment of it.
 
2012-08-17 02:54:50 PM  

ongbok: You know if you did a simple Google search for "Rage Against the Machine charity" before you posted your little tirade you would have found quite a few links and avoided looking like a complete idiot.


It doesn't matter how many charities he supports. Or the pittance he donate compared to his wealth.
Once again

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.


Is he super rich? yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend? yes
Do millions of children go hungry ever night? yes

By his own standard, even if he's doing something he isn't doing enough. But I guess "Well, I did something!" is how he personally rationalizes having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry.

BFD. Even Romney gives lots to "charity". All of these super rich guys do. It's always just enough to make their accountants happy.
 
2012-08-17 02:55:17 PM  

sprawl15: balloot: This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?

His second favorite band is Savage Garden.


His third favorite band is Wham!
/He still wears his Choose Life shirt to bed. He got an extra large because it's all cuddly and stuff.
 
2012-08-17 02:56:40 PM  

verbaltoxin: Before she knew it she was spinning on a thin black sheet of glass
She saw both their lives flash before her eyes
She didn't even have time to cry
She was so scared
She threw her hands up in the air

"Jesus take the wheel"
"Take it from my hands"

If the second part of the song describes her skidding into a fiery death, then it's one of the most metal songs ever written.

But I have a feeling it doesn't go that way.


First time I heard that song I burst out laughing.

Jesus helps those who counter-steer.
 
2012-08-17 02:56:45 PM  

SithLord: Nabb1: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: St_Francis_P: SlothB77: well, Zack de la Rocha is a huge communist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_and_activism_of_Rage_Aga i nst_the_Machine

I'd be shocked if he wasn't. That's what this whole thread is about, basically.

just informing the ignorant.

Everyone here knows. You really need to inform Ryan.

He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.

Exactly. I like RATM. I really do miss them and wish they had a comeback tour during the Bush years. But I don't care too much for their politics anymore. I grew up and got older.


Same here. Music is just a matter of taste, and I'm not going to let political opinions make me change my taste in music.
 
2012-08-17 02:57:17 PM  

Millennium: Blue_Blazer: Would you not be a bit shocked to finda group of Black people listening to David Allen Coe?

Sure, I'd raise an eyebrow. Who wouldn't? But my first assumptions would not be to paint the listeners as hypocritical or stupid.


Really?!? What if it was President Obama? What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers? Would you just raise an eyebrow


I guess you probably don't think that people who vote against their own interests are stupid either.
 
2012-08-17 02:57:33 PM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Or because it's (one of) his favorite band(s), maybe?

I mean, saying it was a political decision, but he's not necessarily lying about it. It's probably more of a "yeah, talk about your taste in music, it'll humanize to to the voters" thing than a "this band is liked by this key demographic, say you like them" thing.

The fact that he doesn't know or particularly care about the band's politics is, if anything, a plus, since that means he's not going to bring his politics into every farking thing he does.
 
2012-08-17 02:57:35 PM  
Paul Ryan's favorite album:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-17 02:59:06 PM  

Spade: Oh, wow. He just does so much. Look at all that money he donates. Why, he donates so much his net worth is still in the tens of millions! What a noble sacrifice


Every rich person that opposes Republicans need to give all their money away, or they're hypocrites.

Also, this conveniently makes sure there is no one left with money to oppose Republicans.
 
2012-08-17 02:59:36 PM  
When RATM releases their tax records, then they can lecture Ryan.
 
2012-08-17 03:00:18 PM  
How much do the members of RATM pull in a year? Are they in the 1% or not?
 
2012-08-17 03:01:07 PM  

Blue_Blazer: What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers?


I'd give that a listen. Hell, if they toured, I might even go see it.

Now, if I found out President Obama was a big fan of Skrewdriver, that would raise an eyebrow.
 
2012-08-17 03:01:56 PM  

Spade: Sure he objects to rich people who won't kick in more taxes. But I don't see him voluntarily doing it himself either while all those kids go to sleep hungry. He could do that, you know. Send it right to the government and post up his returns and canceled checks with a "I donated 49% of my total income, why can't you?" comment. Maybe even voluntarily tax all that net wealth he has laying around.


No, what he objects to is that "the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend". You can tell that what he objects to because those are the farking words he used. The next clause is just astonishment that they could have such a rationalization when the reasons for NOT having it are staring you in the face. It's illustrative of the galling nature of the problem, not a further description of it.

I haven't heard Morello try and rationalize his wealth (at least not in this context) - have you?

Plus, I could make the argument that all that happy talk of his sounds a lot like really good marketing directed at his target demographic. Gotta appeal to those noble fellow travelers or they might not shell out for that next album or show ticket.

Tell me more about baseless speculation and unfounded accusations. You would start lobbing those - I heard you raped Alanis Morissette while Dave Roberts performed an fMRI scan on Paul Reubens' prefrontal cortex just because Leonard Maltin couldn't dance the kazatzke at your sister's wedding.
 
2012-08-17 03:03:55 PM  

Spade: ongbok: You know if you did a simple Google search for "Rage Against the Machine charity" before you posted your little tirade you would have found quite a few links and avoided looking like a complete idiot.

It doesn't matter how many charities he supports. Or the pittance he donate compared to his wealth.
Once again

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

Is he super rich? yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend? yes
Do millions of children go hungry ever night? yes

By his own standard, even if he's doing something he isn't doing enough. But I guess "Well, I did something!" is how he personally rationalizes having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry.

BFD. Even Romney gives lots to "charity". All of these super rich guys do. It's always just enough to make their accountants happy.


You are a brainwashed idiot.

If you ever listen to his music, he isn't against rich people. He is against people that are getting rich at the expense of others and use their power and influence to keep other people down for their own gain.

But in your world view you cannot be rich unless you do all of those things, and anybody that protest against any of that has to be piss poor.
 
2012-08-17 03:05:49 PM  

Blue_Blazer: Millennium: Blue_Blazer: Would you not be a bit shocked to finda group of Black people listening to David Allen Coe?

Sure, I'd raise an eyebrow. Who wouldn't? But my first assumptions would not be to paint the listeners as hypocritical or stupid.

Really?!? What if it was President Obama?


I know he's not stupid or hypocritical, so if I heard him listening to such things then I'd really get curious.

What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers? Would you just raise an eyebrow

For a project like that I'd raise both eyebrows, but again my main reaction would be curiosity, not dismissal.

I guess you probably don't think that people who vote against their own interests are stupid either.

My first assumption would be that I must not have as good a handle as I thought as to what their interests are. Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained as differing perspective.
 
2012-08-17 03:05:59 PM  

Spade: ongbok: You know if you did a simple Google search for "Rage Against the Machine charity" before you posted your little tirade you would have found quite a few links and avoided looking like a complete idiot.

It doesn't matter how many charities he supports. Or the pittance he donate compared to his wealth.
Once again

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

Is he super rich? yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend? yes
Do millions of children go hungry ever night? yes

By his own standard, even if he's doing something he isn't doing enough. But I guess "Well, I did something!" is how he personally rationalizes having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry.

BFD. Even Romney gives lots to "charity". All of these super rich guys do. It's always just enough to make their accountants happy.


You sound like one of those nitwits who think that everyone on the left hates all rich people and that all rich liberals are hypocrites. You know the ones I'm talking about, right? Yeah, them. Or you. Whatever.
 
2012-08-17 03:10:02 PM  

ongbok: If you ever listen to his music, he isn't against rich people. .


He's a communist. So, yes, he is.

Or he's not a very good communist. Of course, in many places, thinking Che (who executed rock musicians) is a cool guy is pretty trendy.
 
2012-08-17 03:12:11 PM  
I like Street Sweeper Social Club more than RATM

May you tumble and fall down your grand
Marble stairway
May that caviar p¢t© you were eating
Block your airway
May your manservant deliver the Heimlich
With honor
May this make you vomit on your Dolce
Gabbana
May your wife's worried face show a hor-
Rific expression
May you realize she's not worried- that's
Just Botox injections
May all the commotion cause to crash
Your chandelier
And propel into your rear
It's sharp diamonds from DeBeers
May your Ferrari break down
May your chauffeur get high
And smash up your stretch Rolls up on
Rodeo Drive
Off the breaking backs of others is where
You got all your bucks
Til we make the revolution
I just hope your life sucks

All my people in the place put your fist
In the air
All my down muthafarkas get up outta
Your chairs
All my real down peoples we got love for
You here
Cept for that muthafarkas right there
Get em

May your Champagne not bubble
May your pinot be sour
May that white stuff you snortin be 96
Percent flour
May the famous rapper you bring to your
Daughter's sweet 16
Get some pride and walk out
As if born with a spleen
May the death squads you hire be bad
With instructions
And by mistake be at your mansion with
The street sweepers bustin
May this make your guests forsake
Their white Russians
And dive behind the Jimmy Martin
Cryin and cussin
May your chef be off pissin in the bisque
In the kitchen
May I assume your autobiography is filed
Under fiction
Cuz off the breakin backs of others is
Where you got all your cash
Til we make the revolution
I your life sucks ass

/Assuming that muthafarka right there is Rmoney/Ryan
 
2012-08-17 03:14:19 PM  

Crewmannumber6: MayoSlather: I also heard Paul Ryan is listening to a lecture series on Voltaire.

Whatever happened to Hang On Voltaire?


Like most Republicans after the 08 election, changed their username so that history wouldnt catch up with them.
 
2012-08-17 03:14:34 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music

Then you'd expect a comment like "I'm not into their politics, but those guys rock." When a politician chooses a band with a political message as his/her favorite band, there are usually only two explanations: 1) they like the music and the message, or 2) they like the music and they don't understand the message.


Also, as a politician, you'd have to be a World-class moron if you were to name them as your favorite band without realizing you're setting a ball up on a tee for the band to take a swing at you.

Maybe he can ignore the politics, but there's no way he couldn't realize that this was a stupid thing to open himself up to.
 
2012-08-17 03:17:00 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: Maybe he can ignore the politics, but there's no way he couldn't realize that this was a stupid thing to open himself up to.


Or perhaps he knew that people would react this way -even counted on it- and intends to use that reaction to further his own ends. Don't be so quick to choose the wine in front of you.
 
2012-08-17 03:17:46 PM  

lennavan: Wow. I liked that article far more than I thought I would and I like this guitarist far more than I thought I would.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.


Well he does have a political science degree from Harvard
 
2012-08-17 03:17:57 PM  

Corvus: Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.


Spade: Hey, I'm a Libertarian


QED.
 
2012-08-17 03:20:04 PM  

ongbok: If you ever listen to his music, he isn't against rich people. He is against people that are getting rich at the expense of others and use their power and influence to keep other people down for their own gain.

But in your world view you cannot be rich unless you do all of those things, and anybody that protest against any of that has to be piss poor.


Yup. If you're rich and want to advocate for the poor, you have to donate 100% of your posessions to the US government, and once you do that, they're not gonna listen to you because LOL YOU'RE POOR. Go get a job at Mcdonalds. Shut up about politics and leave tax policy discussion to your millionaire betters, hippy.
 
2012-08-17 03:21:45 PM  
he bridge, so high
The bridge, so tall
Here is where it started
On the bridge
The moon is big and yellow
And the stars are all a' glow
From the bridge, I see reflections
In the waters far below

You kissed me for the first time here
An' held me awfully tight
And the bridge became our favorite place
We came here often in the night
And one night while standing on the bridge
Desire swept through us both
Passion took us by the hand
And showed us where to go

From the bridge we saw a meadow
So we ran together there
Where we found love together
Our emotions filled the air

The bridge, so wide
The bridge, so long
Where once we stood together
Tonight I stand alone

Tonight, while standing on the bridge
My heart is beating wild
To think that you could leave me here
With our unborn child

My feet are moving slowly
Closer to the edge
Here is where it started
And here is where I'll end it...
 
2012-08-17 03:21:48 PM  

James F. Campbell: Corvus: Umm. There are lots of people with lots of money who are still against how the system is run. Only a simpleton would think that would be impossible.

Spade: Hey, I'm a Libertarian

QED.


Awe, did I insult your musical hero who talks a good game about your favorite causes?

Just be sure you buy his next album. He's gotta make payments on that mansion somehow.
 
2012-08-17 03:24:05 PM  

CorporatePerson: ongbok: If you ever listen to his music, he isn't against rich people. He is against people that are getting rich at the expense of others and use their power and influence to keep other people down for their own gain.

But in your world view you cannot be rich unless you do all of those things, and anybody that protest against any of that has to be piss poor.

Yup. If you're rich and want to advocate for the poor, you have to donate 100% of your posessions to the US government, and once you do that, they're not gonna listen to you because LOL YOU'RE POOR. Go get a job at Mcdonalds. Shut up about politics and leave tax policy discussion to your millionaire betters, hippy.


You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.


Why should he have to rationalize having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry when his consumers will do it for him? He should thank you guys. Maybe put a song up free for download on the internet (don't forget to buy the rest of the album).
 
2012-08-17 03:27:53 PM  

Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?


You poor poor oppressed white man, you.
 
Ant
2012-08-17 03:31:34 PM  

Nabb1: He probably knows. It's possible to to have a deep appreciation for an artist's work without marching in lockstep with his political views.


Not lockstep, but coming from the same planet might be a start.
 
2012-08-17 03:35:15 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Romney can't decide between N.W.A. and Anal coont.


no he's obviously a huge fan of the Dead Kennedys.
 
2012-08-17 03:36:02 PM  

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


He also claims to be a Catholic, but...

I don't believe in destiny
Or the guiding hand of fate
I don't believe in forever
Or love as a mystical state
I don't believe in the stars or the planets
Or Angels watching from above
 
2012-08-17 03:36:25 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: To those arguing that Ryan can like an artist without completely conforming to said artist's views:

You're absolutely right.

BUT

Ryan said HIS FAVORITE BAND is a band built almost entirely on its politics, and those politics disagree with EVERYTHING Ryan stands for.

What would the reaction from the right be if Obama mentions he rocks out to Megadeth, or the Nuge?

Also, if you like Rage, you'll probably dig One Day as a Lion - Zach and former Mars Volta drummer Jon Theodore.


We already know. Look how they treated Common. COMMON.


White House Invite of Political Rapper Stirs Controversy
a57.foxnews.com

Again, Common.
 
2012-08-17 03:37:18 PM  
img1.fark.net tag raging against the machine today?
 
2012-08-17 03:38:18 PM  
Probably a PR move, but a real dumb one.  Come on, he's got to also be a fan of some popular rock band that 35 year olds were/are into with zero political leanings.  Just say Blind Melon or Guns and Roses or something.
 
Or just say (like I would, because its true)... I don't have a favorite band, I listen to everything from outlaw country to metal to classic rock and so on...
 
2012-08-17 03:38:36 PM  

Blue_Blazer: I saw RATM in Chicago in 08. Zach went on about supporting Obama.


What a sucker.
 
2012-08-17 03:39:04 PM  

Nabb1: Blue_Blazer: What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers?

I'd give that a listen. Hell, if they toured, I might even go see it.

Now, if I found out President Obama was a big fan of Skrewdriver, that would raise an eyebrow.


LOL.
As I was typing that I realized that it did actually sound kinds cool.

Skrewdriver I suppose would be a contemporary artist that compares to the David Allen Coe analogy
 
2012-08-17 03:40:06 PM  

Spade: Why should he have to rationalize having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry when his consumers will do it for him? He should thank you guys. Maybe put a song up free for download on the internet (don't forget to buy the rest of the album).


Well it must be convenient having it worked out where nobody is ever allowed to criticize Republican policies without being a hypocrite. If you're rich and disagree with the GOP, you're a hypocrite and your position cannot be considered until you donate all your money to the state. If you're poor and disagree, you're just envious of all the rich people's money and success.

Guess I'll just go vote Republican.
 
2012-08-17 03:42:51 PM  

CorporatePerson: Spade: Why should he have to rationalize having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry when his consumers will do it for him? He should thank you guys. Maybe put a song up free for download on the internet (don't forget to buy the rest of the album).

Well it must be convenient having it worked out where nobody is ever allowed to criticize Republican policies without being a hypocrite. If you're rich and disagree with the GOP, you're a hypocrite and your position cannot be considered until you donate all your money to the state. If you're poor and disagree, you're just envious of all the rich people's money and success.

Guess I'll just go vote Republican.


Man you are getting trolled hard
 
2012-08-17 03:43:15 PM  

Spade: I dunno, maybe I just don't trust somebody who's all, "I understand what the poor are going through and mass consumerism is bad and don't forget to buy my new album, available at all record stores next week!"


The thing about Rage is that, yeah, you have a point there, however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is. They are not richie rich limo libs who were born into privilege and wealth and decided it would be neat to slum around with the poor for shiats and giggles. They are also not Officer Ricky Ross style posers pretending they're only relaying how it is 'out on the streets'.

Here's an old, old old, site on three of the charities Rage donated to in 2009.

Rage isn't pulling a Ryan, taking charity money and government money and then closing the door behind them.
 
2012-08-17 03:43:28 PM  

sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue The 'Nuge.


ftfy
 
2012-08-17 03:44:08 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Romney can't decide between N.W.A. and Anal coont.


he is said to love the NWA album 'Straight Outta tha Hamptons'

(coming straight outta the Hamptons
crazy mormon father named Romney
from a gang called Mormons wit attitude
when I'm called off, I got a super PAC
hit the button and bodies are hauled off)
 
2012-08-17 03:45:10 PM  

Pestifer: Everyone here seems convinced that Ran is either not listening to the lyrics or is clueless about the politics of the band. I think it's more likely (and scarier) to think that he's aware of the band's activist and revolutionary stance, but is recasting it in his head so that he and his fellow Randian "individualists" are fighting against the crushing conformity and soul-destroying, life-sucking power of the Democrat(ic) party, voting-rights activists and Keynsian economic theories. He's the hero in his head.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-08-17 03:45:57 PM  
That article was so full of win... lol
 
2012-08-17 03:51:20 PM  

Millennium: Blue_Blazer: Millennium: Blue_Blazer: Would you not be a bit shocked to finda group of Black people listening to David Allen Coe?

Sure, I'd raise an eyebrow. Who wouldn't? But my first assumptions would not be to paint the listeners as hypocritical or stupid.

Really?!? What if it was President Obama?

I know he's not stupid or hypocritical, so if I heard him listening to such things then I'd really get curious.

What if Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers made an album of Black Liberation Theology songs with some Weathermen backup singers? Would you just raise an eyebrow

For a project like that I'd raise both eyebrows, but again my main reaction would be curiosity, not dismissal.

I guess you probably don't think that people who vote against their own interests are stupid either.

My first assumption would be that I must not have as good a handle as I thought as to what their interests are. Never attribute to stupidity what can be adequately explained as differing perspective.


I guess I just can't understand. The only thing close in my experience is that I am an atheist who likes bluegrass. But I always cringe during the religious stuff, just as I would expect a hard-right winger like Rayn to cringe during the political parts (read:every lyric from every song) of a RATM song with which he might disagree.

Or do you really think it is like someone upthread said, that he believes that he is in fact raging against the machine?
 
2012-08-17 03:51:46 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Millennium: Edsel: No other explanation for why they'd be huge fans of songs that are constantly calling out their politics.

Because they've had to learn to let things like that slide in a popular culture that demonizes them at every opportunity?

You poor poor oppressed white man, you.


That discussion has already been had in this thread, but I reiterate: out of what you quoted, what exactly is incorrect?
 
2012-08-17 03:53:34 PM  

Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.


Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.
 
2012-08-17 03:54:52 PM  

Cythraul: sweetmelissa31: Mitt Romney's favorite musician:

[www.mtv.com image 350x365]

Tax cuts, tax cuts all type of tax cuts,
Tax cuts for the rich and tax cuts for the super-rich,
Girl, girl, get that cash,
If it's being born rich or marrying a rich guy

Whatever happened to her?


She lost some weight. Then she lost some more. Then she disappeared
/maybe she moved to drier climate
 
2012-08-17 03:57:20 PM  

jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.


That does it, I'm voting Republilcan then!
 
2012-08-17 04:06:59 PM  
I can understand why Ryan says he likes RATM's music and not their lyrics. Take it away, Zach de la Rocha:

Some of those that work forces
Are the same that burn crosses
Some of those that were enforcers
Are the sane that barn courses
Some of those that were in forces
Are the stains that hold office
Some of those that run forceps
Or the sales on warm croissants
BURN!!!
 
2012-08-17 04:07:20 PM  

Spade: Awe, did I insult your musical hero who talks a good game about your favorite causes?


No, you simpering cockmongler. I think Libertarians are morons.
 
2012-08-17 04:11:11 PM  
Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.
 
2012-08-17 04:11:21 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is


Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.
 
2012-08-17 04:12:32 PM  
I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.
 
2012-08-17 04:13:26 PM  
While I like their message, I think their music is shiat.
 
2012-08-17 04:14:47 PM  

Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.


So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?
 
2012-08-17 04:18:36 PM  

balloot: This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?


I can beat that - it is 2012 and my favorite band is Skinny Puppy and they haven't been big (they were never really big) since late 80s/early 90s.
 
2012-08-17 04:19:30 PM  
"But I learned to burn that bridge and delete
"Those who compete...at a level that's obsolete
Instead I warm my hands upon the flames of the flag
As I recall our downfall
And the business that burned us all
See through the news and the views that twist reality

Enough
I call the bluff
fark Manifest destiny"

Yeah, that will go over real well in the Teahadist circles.
 
2012-08-17 04:20:15 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.


It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.
 
2012-08-17 04:21:58 PM  

ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?


The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.
 
2012-08-17 04:22:29 PM  

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


It means that the wrong people like their work.
 
2012-08-17 04:22:54 PM  

jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.


It makes him a far better person than Romney, Ryan, both Kochs, the Cock Army, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham and all the other rich as fark assholes who "have more money than they can ever spend" yet don't give two dry farks about the people going hungry. At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, rather than seeking to extract as much as possible from it.

And Morello's not running for President and claiming to know the hearts and minds of every American.

// there's your third party vote - don't waste it on a Republican like Gary Johnson
 
2012-08-17 04:23:14 PM  

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


Are you familiar at all with Rage Against The Machine? Their art is primarily a vehicle for their politics.

/hell, it's practically in their name
 
2012-08-17 04:23:59 PM  

CorporatePerson: It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.


How is a genre of music antithetical to anything? It's nothing more than a collection of musical formulae; how can something like that conflict with a political ideology?
 
2012-08-17 04:25:42 PM  

CorporatePerson: Peter_B_Risen: Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.

It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.



Ric? Is that you?
 
2012-08-17 04:25:57 PM  

Spade: ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?

The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


So you're saying we, the proleteriat, should unite and speak as one community?

Interesting. I though you said you were a libertarian. I guess you meant libertarian socialist.
 
2012-08-17 04:26:14 PM  

Dr Dreidel: At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, .


And yet he doesn't. Or at least, by his own reckoning, doesn't give enough.
 
2012-08-17 04:27:40 PM  
I never let politics get in the way of my music tastes... Hell, I love Slayer and yet I am not pro-serial killers (a lot of their music is about rather dark topics); I just love the beat. He is likely the same way.

Funny thing is, though, if RATM had their way, both Democrat and Republican politicians would be in jail.
 
2012-08-17 04:28:52 PM  

Spade: Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


That might happen if either side gets over its disdain for them, but I would guess that this is going to be a long time in coming.
 
2012-08-17 04:31:27 PM  

Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.


Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.
 
2012-08-17 04:31:51 PM  

Millennium: CorporatePerson: It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.

How is a genre of music antithetical to anything? It's nothing more than a collection of musical formulae; how can something like that conflict with a political ideology?


I'm not gonna explain rock and roll to you. It's not a coincidence that every time a Republican uses a song from their favorite rock artist in their campaign, that artist's response is an immediate cease and desist letter.
 
2012-08-17 04:32:46 PM  

Spade: ongbok: Spade: ExperianScaresCthulhu: however, Rage does put their money where their mouth is

Except for that $60 million Morello has in the bank.

So then the poor and middle class shouldn't listen to Romney when he says he wants to help them?

Exactly how much money does a person need to have in the bank before they can no longer speak up for the poor and middle class?

The difference between Romney and Morello is (1)what they do for a living and (2)what demographic they are marketing their product to. That's about it.

Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves? There's a lot more of us then them. After all, both of them live lives that most poor/middle class people could never dream of.


The poor and middle class often have people represent their causes because unlike rich people they don't have the money or resources to buy tv time or lobby the government to have policy created in their favor.

about the only thing Romney and Morello have in common are that they are both rich. And remember, it's not about how much money you have in the bank, it is about your actions and what you do to help better society. That is the difference between Morello and Romney. Morello tries to help society.
 
2012-08-17 04:33:08 PM  
For those who still don't understand why this is weird and kind of amusing, let me explain by analogy.

Imagine if Obama hung this painting in the Oval Office:

www.teaparty.org
 
2012-08-17 04:35:02 PM  

Spade: Maybe the poor/middle class should speak should speak for themselves?


You're right. Some kid, and I'm just spitballing here, but some kid whose father was an artist suffering from some mental issues and whose granddad was a revolutionary turned immigrant farmer. That kid could start up a band and sing about the things he cares about. Things he sees happening in his community. Maybe even a few things happening in the wider world. He might even make a few bucks doing it.

He better not make too much doing it though, or else people like you will demonize him for his success.
 
2012-08-17 04:37:22 PM  

Spade: Dr Dreidel: At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, .

And yet he doesn't. Or at least, by his own reckoning, doesn't give enough.


OH, I get it - you're not interested in a debate, in finding common ground or coming to an understanding. You just want to make the point that someone socially conscious hasn't fixed the problem yet.

Never mind that in the history of capitalism neither the super-capitalists or the quasi-communists succeeded in eliminating poverty, a musician who donates time and money (and who creates opportunities - like autographing an instrument for auction for charity - to donate time and money) to combat hunger and poverty, as well as the attending hardships and some other societal ills, and hasn't yet succeeded is clearly not doing enough.

Moron. (I will not call you a name, but I really, really want to. To my mind, willful ignorance is the only sin.)

// this is the last response you get, and I again invite you to read Morello's own words: "the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend"
// and that they attempt to rationalize it while walking past children begging for food - on their way to lobby for more tax breaks - illustrates how little they grasp the problem
 
2012-08-17 04:38:49 PM  
This was posted a few weeks back on another board. Enjoy

Link

Full concert footage of RATM's first ever public performance at The Quad, Cal State Northridge, Northridge, CA on Oct. 23, 1991.

Setlist:
1: Killing In The Name (Instrumental)
2: Take The Power Back
3: Autologic
4: Bullet In The Head
5: Hit The Deck
6: Township Rebellion
7: Darkness Of Greed
8: Clear The Lane
9: Clampdown
10: Know Your Enemy (alternate version)
11: Freedom
 
2012-08-17 04:40:30 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.



Actually, that'd be spot-on, since Green Day is commercialized, lightweight punk.
 
2012-08-17 04:42:24 PM  

CorporatePerson: Millennium: CorporatePerson: It's almost like rock and roll is totally antithetical to Republicans and their ideas.

How is a genre of music antithetical to anything? It's nothing more than a collection of musical formulae; how can something like that conflict with a political ideology?

I'm not gonna explain rock and roll to you.


Then why bother to post at all?

It's not a coincidence that every time a Republican uses a song from their favorite rock artist in their campaign, that artist's response is an immediate cease and desist letter.

But is that really inherent to rock? The same could be said of most other modern pop culture references.
 
2012-08-17 04:48:34 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.

Are you familiar at all with Rage Against The Machine? Their art is primarily a vehicle for their politics.

/hell, it's practically in their name


Yet amazingly they sell their music and receive, holy god, actual evil profits! So yeah, anyone that participates in capitalism in the American system while biatching about it can take a seat in the STFU Chair.
 
2012-08-17 04:51:35 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: Vindibudd: I never understood an artist getting butt-hurt because someone liked their art but disagreed with their politics.

Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.


In my comic drawing, I was never offended if someone who disagreed with my politics liked my comics. It's really stupid to think that a given person liking your art somehow diminishes what you're doing.
 
2012-08-17 04:52:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.

That does it, I'm voting Republilcan then!


What the hell does this have to do with voting?
 
2012-08-17 04:54:15 PM  

Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs


Actually, those boys have donated more money to charity than Morello has ever seen in his life.
 
2012-08-17 05:00:19 PM  

jigger: Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs

Actually, those boys have donated more money to "charity" than Morello has ever seen in his life.



FTFY
 
2012-08-17 05:03:04 PM  

FitzShivering: Press Releases for Tomorrow:

Romney: My favorite band is Cannibal Corpse
Obama: My favorite artist is Ted Nugent



New keyboard. You owe my company one.
 
2012-08-17 05:12:41 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 355x400]


I thought it was Eric Clapton

i.imgur.com

/Either that or Bob Marley
 
2012-08-17 05:14:39 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: TV's Vinnie: I wonder if Sheriff Joe Arapaio listens to MDC?

I thought it was Eric Clapton

[i.imgur.com image 280x280]

/Either that or Bob Marley



Arpaio Speedwagon?
 
2012-08-17 05:15:51 PM  

jigger: Dr Dreidel: It makes him a far better person than ... both Kochs

Actually, those boys have donated more money to charity than Morello has ever seen in his life.


actually those boys have squandered more on lawyers trying to cut their other brothers out of the spoils of the company that was built by their father... than most people will ever see in their lives.
 
2012-08-17 05:23:18 PM  
Bad news, poo flinging Fark monkeys. RATM hates you too. It's still okay to be a fan.
 
2012-08-17 05:33:37 PM  

Vindibudd: Yet amazingly they sell their music and receive, holy god, actual evil profits!


*eyeroll*

*ignore*
 
2012-08-17 05:47:02 PM  

Peter_B_Risen: Wow, seven paragraphs of complete derp.

Maybe he just likes the sound? If I was to only listen to bands that spouted conservative ideals I would have to listen to country music. But I hate country music. Let's face it, most musicians that are not country western are going to lean to the left politically. How often do you see rock bands telling democratic candidates not to use their music in campaigns? Never.



Yeah, but there's a HUGE difference when it comes to Rage Against the Machine.  Their very foundation is some pretty far-left stuff.  Like nearing Communism (for lack of a better term).
 
If you're right-wing, its REALLY difficult to honestly get into them.
 
I don't classify myself as left or right, but I'm a huge Pearl Jam fan.  Their politics annoy me, but its like 1/10th of what they are.  I can ignore them.
 
You can't honestly say you can ignore the politics of RATM.
 
2012-08-17 05:56:31 PM  

downstairs: Yeah, but there's a HUGE difference when it comes to Rage Against the Machine. Their very foundation is some pretty far-left stuff. Like nearing Communism (for lack of a better term).

If you're right-wing, its REALLY difficult to honestly get into them.


It would be like getting into Afroman despite thinking drug sentencing should be much harsher.
 
2012-08-17 05:58:33 PM  

dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?


Hey, hey, hey.
Some of us are dirty commie libtards.
 
2012-08-17 06:01:49 PM  

Shostie: I always pictured Manson to be more of a Beach Boys fan.


Catch a wave, dude.
 
2012-08-17 06:03:31 PM  
Does this make Ryan a RINO, Sarah Palin automatically president and Romney have to take the VP slot and come out at the convention taking about lipstick on pigs?
 
2012-08-17 06:04:15 PM  

Spade: lennavan: Wow. I liked that article far more than I thought I would and I like this guitarist far more than I thought I would.

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night. So, when they look themselves in the mirror, they convince themselves that "Those people are undeserving. They're . . . lesser." Some of these guys on the extreme right are more cynical than Paul Ryan, but he seems to really believe in this stuff. This unbridled rage against those who have the least is a cornerstone of the Romney-Ryan ticket.

The funny part is that he himself is super rich.


Your ignorance and shiatty trolling is annoying.
 
2012-08-17 06:05:42 PM  

dehehn: GAT_00: dugitman: Ryan's a randroid. Shouldn't he be a Rush fan?

I'm offended by the implication that because I like Rush I'm an Ayn Rand fan.

Well 2112 is based on the Fountainhead and the song Anthem is supposed to be inspired by Objectivism philosophy. Neal Peart was a big Ayn Rand fan and wrote most of their lyrics. But yeah, I'm a (70s) Rush fan and can't stand Rand.


Cue Chester the cheetah:

Yes, we know.
 
2012-08-17 06:14:07 PM  
This doesn't surprise me. I've seen a lot of things saying he liked grunge music in the 90's but he seems like he was a poser. I'm sure he listened, and probably really did like the grunge that was playing on that Top-40 stations at the time, but only because it was the "in-thing" at the time not realizing that grunge music aggression came from growing up poor and middle-class under the the failure of Reaganomics.
 
2012-08-17 06:17:56 PM  

JerseyTim: They should play "Killing in the Name" when they introduce him at the RNC.


I just love that image -- the visual hit me like a brick in full high def: the throng, the spectacle, the lights, the camera flashes, the noise and just blasting that track while Ryan and Romney bound down the ramp, waving maniacally, with huge insane smiles on their faces.

I'd pay for a video of that.

And tardmitter it's not "guitarist", it's farking Tom Morello if you want to act like you have a clue.
 
2012-08-17 06:24:10 PM  
Jesus Christ. If I wasn't allowed to like bands whose personal political beliefs conflicted with some of my own personal opinions, I'd have nothing to listen to. It's called compartmentalization.
 
2012-08-17 06:25:55 PM  

Millennium: So basically, RATM is mad because someone heard their music and liked it, but still doesn't agree with them.


"Doesn't agree with them?" Like Gahndi "didn't agree" with the British occupation? Or the Syrian insurgents "don't agree" with the Assad regime?

Sheesh. You got a good future as a Fox commentator ahead of you.
 
2012-08-17 06:28:09 PM  

Spade: Corvus: Has this jack-ass read any of their lyrics?

Rage is totally about crushing the 1%. They make Obama look like Grover Norquist. It's like if a liberal said their favorite book was Atlas Shrugged. It shows Ryan is very shallow in his thinking.

Except, of course, they are the 1% too. Morello's worth like $60m.


Yeah, and he does nothing but spend it on hos, Escalades and Cristal. What a hypocrite.
 
2012-08-17 06:34:56 PM  

Spade: ongbok: You know if you did a simple Google search for "Rage Against the Machine charity" before you posted your little tirade you would have found quite a few links and avoided looking like a complete idiot.

It doesn't matter how many charities he supports. Or the pittance he donate compared to his wealth.
Once again

You see, the super rich must rationalize having more than they could ever spend while millions of children in the U.S. go to bed hungry every night.

Is he super rich? yes
Does he have more than he could ever spend? yes
Do millions of children go hungry ever night? yes

By his own standard, even if he's doing something he isn't doing enough. But I guess "Well, I did something!" is how he personally rationalizes having more than he could ever spend while millions go hungry.

BFD. Even Romney gives lots to "charity". All of these super rich guys do. It's always just enough to make their accountants happy.


It's funny. I use exactly the same arguments you do to justify doing absolutely nothing for anyone.

It really brings me a lot of peace.
 
2012-08-17 06:42:41 PM  

MensRea: Jesus Christ. If I wasn't allowed to like bands whose personal political beliefs conflicted with some of my own personal opinions, I'd have nothing to listen to. It's called compartmentalization.



Yeah, but to say RATM is your  FAVORITE band, and not have some connection to their lyrics- of all bands- something ain't right.
 
2012-08-17 06:51:58 PM  

downstairs: Yeah, but to say RATM is your FAVORITE band, and not have some connection to their lyrics- of all bands- something ain't right.


Especially if you are a Republican politician on the campaign trail. It smacks of ignorance at best and cynical manipulation at worst.
 
2012-08-17 06:53:53 PM  

HallsOfMandos: balloot: This is missing a bigger point: Who, in 2012, says Rage Against the Machine is their favorite band? Has Paul Ryan been stuck in some sort of cryogenic stasis for 15 years?

I can beat that - it is 2012 and my favorite band is Skinny Puppy and they haven't been big (they were never really big) since late 80s/early 90s.


Ok, yeah. This.

No offense, balloot, but that's a teenager's argument. So last week.
 
2012-08-17 06:57:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.

It makes him a far better person than Romney, Ryan, both Kochs, the Cock Army, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham and all the other rich as fark assholes who "have more money than they can ever spend" yet don't give two dry farks about the people going hungry. At least Morello has the self-awareness to want to give back to society, rather than seeking to extract as much as possible from it.

And Morello's not running for President and claiming to know the hearts and minds of every American.

// there's your third party vote - don't waste it on a Republican like Gary Johnson


Tell it.

And thanks for saving me all the typing in this thread.

This, that, these, and those.
 
2012-08-17 07:08:35 PM  

dennysgod: This doesn't surprise me. I've seen a lot of things saying he liked grunge music in the 90's but he seems like he was a poser. I'm sure he listened, and probably really did like the grunge that was playing on that Top-40 stations at the time, but only because it was the "in-thing" at the time not realizing that grunge music aggression came from growing up poor and middle-class under the the failure of Reaganomics.


Same thing from the 'summer of love'
so I've been told. Lots of free drugs and free pussy, so of course wearing a flower in your hair and a tie-dye was the thing to do.
They didn't get it.
He doesn't get it.
 
2012-08-17 08:33:49 PM  
I can take or leave RATM but Tom Morello is a badass. And Ryan has every right to like RATM, but he was clearly speaking from a position of gross naivete.
 
2012-08-17 09:08:22 PM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Is there anyone under the age of 30 who actually knows who Rage Against the Machine is? Just sayin'
 
2012-08-17 09:11:37 PM  

downstairs: MensRea: Jesus Christ. If I wasn't allowed to like bands whose personal political beliefs conflicted with some of my own personal opinions, I'd have nothing to listen to. It's called compartmentalization.


Yeah, but to say RATM is your  FAVORITE band, and not have some connection to their lyrics- of all bands- something ain't right.


"Independents will think I'm edgy, my base has never heard of them, and the people who've heard their lyrics and think, 'Yeah, that's bullshiat!' are the ones who won't vote for me anyway."
 
2012-08-17 09:12:56 PM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


Raises hand in agreement.
 
2012-08-17 09:13:54 PM  
Hmm, yeah, I'm a little disappointed in Ryan naming Rage as his "favorite", but only because they suck. Self-titled was farkin' killer, and Evil Empire was o.k., but they got all full of themselves and went to shiat. I could put them in the top ten, maybe, but favorite is such a big word.

Has anybody mentioned Tom Araya yet?
 
2012-08-17 09:21:36 PM  

Flaming Yawn: Millennium: So basically, RATM is mad because someone heard their music and liked it, but still doesn't agree with them.

"Doesn't agree with them?" Like Gahndi "didn't agree" with the British occupation? Or the Syrian insurgents "don't agree" with the Assad regime?

Sheesh. You got a good future as a Fox commentator ahead of you.


I'll be sure to pass along the recommendation, then; you've got me beat to hell on false equivalencies.
 
2012-08-17 09:23:47 PM  

eudemonist: Hmm, yeah, I'm a little disappointed in Ryan naming Rage as his "favorite", but only because they suck. Self-titled was farkin' killer, and Evil Empire was o.k., but they got all full of themselves and went to shiat. I could put them in the top ten, maybe, but favorite is such a big word.


Oops, read source material. He counts them among his favorite bands. That's acceptable.
 
2012-08-17 09:37:40 PM  

eudemonist: Hmm, yeah, I'm a little disappointed in Ryan naming Rage as his "favorite", but only because they suck. Self-titled was farkin' killer, and Evil Empire was o.k., but they got all full of themselves and went to shiat. I could put them in the top ten, maybe, but favorite is such a big word.

Has anybody mentioned Tom Araya yet?


n 1995 the band sent a free 7″ record to promote the upcoming album to everyone who signed up for the Rage Against the Machine fan club promoted in the liner notes of the debut CD as an apology for never having received anything. It came in a plain cardboard colored fold-out with a black-and-white American flag on the cover and the title "Evil Empire" and the band's name all in capitals. On the back was a UPC with marker scribble on the barcode. The A-side was a reissue of the "Evening Session" version of "Bombtrack" listed as "Bombtrack (Live on the BBC)" and the B-side was the then unreleased cover of N.W.A's "fark tha Police" recorded live on August 13, 1995 at a benefit concert for Mumia Abu Jamal at the Capitol Ballroom in Washington D.C.

People of the Sun video: The video, directed by Peter Christopherson and produced by Fiz Oliver at Squeak Pictures, opens with shots of a dead Mexican Indian girl; her arm starts bleeding and the blood shows the words "Trickle down". Statistics illustrating the plight of the Zapatista Army of National Liberation are shown from a film projector being run in a morgue. Military footage of United States arms arriving in Mexico and the Zapatistas themselves are interspersed with this and shots of the band playing in front of a brick wall in about a 10 by 10 space.

"Bulls on Parade" addresses the American military-industrial complex, a situation in which industry (the arms industry, primarily) urges government to take military action, with the intent of obtaining military contracts, to thereby increase its revenue. The idiom "bulls on parade" refers to a bull market. The symbol may also mean the muscularity of American responses to complex problems, acting more like bulls showing off with violence rather than pursuing diplomatic means. Also the verse, "They rally around the family, with a pocket full of shells" could refer to the composer's belief that American politicians in both parties represent the family as an integral part of their policies, but in actuality they use this as a "scarecrow" tactic because they really have pockets full of ammo ("shells") catering to the military-industrial complex.

The verse in the song, "Weapons not food, not homes, not shoes, not need, just feed the war cannibal animal", refers to the military-industrial complex and to the war economy.

Lyrics from Vietnow:
Turn on the radio, nah fark it, turn it off
Fear is your only God on the radio
Nah fark it, turn it off
Turn it off, turn on the radio, nah fark it, turn it off
Fear is your only God on the radio
Nah fark it, your Saviour, my guillotine
Crosses and kerosene
Merge on the networks, slangin' nerve gas
Up jump the boogie then bang, let 'em hang
While the paranoid tryin' to stuff the void
Let's capture this AM mayhem

/Yeah, I'm sure this is one of Ryan's favorite bands.
 
2012-08-17 09:39:23 PM  

eudemonist: eudemonist: Hmm, yeah, I'm a little disappointed in Ryan naming Rage as his "favorite", but only because they suck. Self-titled was farkin' killer, and Evil Empire was o.k., but they got all full of themselves and went to shiat. I could put them in the top ten, maybe, but favorite is such a big word.

Oops, read source material. He counts them among his favorite bands. That's acceptable.


Prussian Blue was a top ten fave of MLK's descendants. Saw it on the intertubes. They said the songs were catchy and had a good beat. You can dance to it. Favorite band is, of course, Megadeath.
 
2012-08-17 09:43:37 PM  

Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: St_Francis_P: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

If the Dead Kennedy's only made songs that specifically hate on you and your friends, that may be an odd choice in music.

He doesn't have to agree with the message. It's farking music

I'm not a Rage fan, but even from hearing it on the radio I know it's really, really political.

I know that. Does that mean that everyone who listens to them has to subscribe to their beliefs?


I think it's more about the fact that according to their guitarist "he is the embodiment of the machine that our music has been raging against for two decades," so it's a bit weird that he's trying to claim street cred by listing them among his favorite bands.
 
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2012-08-17 09:59:16 PM  

cmb53208: Pffft, I had Paul Ryan pegged as a Phil Collins fan.


i could see that...

www.inquisitr.com
 
2012-08-17 10:24:39 PM  

HighOnCraic: Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?

Raises hand in agreement.


If this were a cynical play for younger voters you would think he would pick a band that doesn't make everybody go "wtf?" I mean he could have chosen Perl Jam or Alice in Chains or Radiohead or any number of bands that make him seem hip to people of voting age without making it look like he doesn't have a clue.
 
2012-08-17 10:32:31 PM  

Spade: Hey, I'm a Libertarian and like RATM. They play good music. If I worried about the political views of every product I bought I'd never get anything done.


I might be projecting a little bit: I agree with your sentiment that "moral consumerism is a deep rabbit hole" but I find it absolutely dumbfounding to choose RAtM to make that point.

It would be different if you made someone like Moby your example because, while he is very outspoken politically, he doesn't theme all of this songs' lyrics around them.

Maybe I missed your point, though.
 
2012-08-17 10:33:54 PM  

odinsposse: HighOnCraic: Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?

Raises hand in agreement.

If this were a cynical play for younger voters you would think he would pick a band that doesn't make everybody go "wtf?" I mean he could have chosen Perl Jam or Alice in Chains or Radiohead or any number of bands that make him seem hip to people of voting age without making it look like he doesn't have a clue.


It could be that he has really bad advisers. But yeah, it's odd that he would pick a band that's kinda over-the-top with bringing strongly anti-conservative politics into their music.

You'd think the right-wing blog-o-sphere would be disparaging him for this, the same way they went nuts over Common's appearance at the White House.
 
2012-08-17 11:10:54 PM  
Isn't Mitt Romney roughly the same age as Patrick Bateman? Interesting parallels.
 
2012-08-17 11:17:46 PM  

sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.


Jesus Christ, will you conservative trolls think up ANYTHING for a nickname for Obama that sounds intelligent and not full-derp retarded? Every single one of 'em has the word "fart" in it, I swear. Grow the fark up and try using that shiat between your ears to come up with something original!
 
2012-08-17 11:31:18 PM  

Bontesla: Anyone else sense this was said because strategists thought it would play well with young adults?


well, lets see.... you have a highly visible, loyal fan who publicly says he appreciates your music. Logic would dictate you throw him under the bus, right?

no, wait, pretty sure you are right.
 
2012-08-17 11:34:47 PM  
Acrtually, if *I* were Paul Ryan, id reply with something like

"I still love them. I am EXACTLY the type of person who loves there music. If you see someone buying their music, they probably are a lot like me"

Just to scare off a few puchases to get even with the ungrateful doucebag.
 
2012-08-17 11:56:14 PM  

my lip balm addiction: sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.

Jesus Christ, will you conservative trolls think up ANYTHING for a nickname for Obama that sounds intelligent and not full-derp retarded? Every single one of 'em has the word "fart" in it, I swear. Grow the fark up and try using that shiat between your ears to come up with something original!


really? you think CONSERVATIVES are the ones calling him fartbama? you do understand sarcasm, right?
 
2012-08-18 12:42:39 AM  
Paul Ryan liking RATM because of sound is no different than 99% of the population who listen to music based on the beats or the sound of the music. Rap music for example didn't become popular because of any lyrics and content, most white people wouldn't like the lyrics of any so called "serious" rap, they just bob their head and wear the silly clothes and look and act stupid while doing it.

Take a group such as wu tang from the 90's when they sold really well...all of those white kids buying their music and they probably thought for a short while that people actually understood their nation of gods and earth theology garbage.

It is the same with ratm and most other "socially conscious" bands. They don't have a real fan base, based on their ideology, only a mass of idiots who think the music sounds "hard" and makes them feel good.

I happen to be someone who cares about lyrics, at least to an extent and so I never cared much for rage but I can't fault someone for liking them for their sound either. You could even argue that in any song the instruments should be able to stand alone even without singing... of course even with singing the voice itself would be considered an instrument and the lyrics still wouldn't matter. Death metal songs usually have lyrics but often the growling is just part of the music and it is impossible to decipher what is being said. 

/to each their own I suppose
 
2012-08-18 01:28:18 AM  

Rev.K: FlashHarry: i'm guessing ryan loves RATM because it's "awesome to work out to." i'm also guessing he's never actually read any of their lyrics.

F*CK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME


He thinks that song is about the Laffer Curve.


That would be Helter Skelter.
 
2012-08-18 01:48:46 AM  
Yeah... cuz.... ummmm...... Zack de la Rocha and Tom Morello are totally conservative. Not only are they conservative, but they're conservative under the modern definition of conservative found here in the USA, which is batshiat right-wing fantastical insane by most any other standard found in the modern world. Then you've got Tim Commerford and Brad Wilk, who are bible-toting Jesus-freaks that thump the shiat outta that there bible in the name of Aryan Jaysus right up there on that there stage. God, what stalwart nationalistic patriots them guys is.
 
2012-08-18 02:52:08 AM  
The disassociation of the GOP and their base is astounding.
 
2012-08-18 05:09:07 AM  

jigger: Dr Dreidel: He's a rich guy who actually has a conscience about it.

Yet he still has way more money than he can ever spend and millions of children still go hungry.


Ummm no. I make just under 75K/yr. I could easily spend 60 million. Hell, I could do it easily AND not have anything to show for it if I were an idiot.

People who think $60M is way more than somebody could spend are idiots. Me personally? I'd put together a contract manufacturing plant with high precision Japanese CNC machines while hiring a set of DB programmers to put together a turn-key database that allowed integration from the bottom of the labor pool all the way to the tippy top of the management chain (me) and start manufacturing both products that I've been developing over the course of the past decade and probably try to get some medical device contracts to pay the bills until either the products I think might sell or the product developed during the set up stage of the shop started selling. That $60M would be spent and I'd be running on credit before the first spindle started turning.

I know the value of a dollar, I've worked for minimum wage, I've worked for barely over minimum wage, and I've never held a job that isn't either dangerous or where injuries aren't just common but part of the job description. I've never had more than $25K on my person or in accumulated wealth at any point in my life. Even I know that $60M is easy to spend. Try to get some perspective, it's not the people with 7 or 8 fortunes that are the problem. It's the ones with 9 and 10 figure fortunes that are farking things up.
 
2012-08-18 08:57:23 AM  
It makes sense- Paul Ryan and Tom Morello are both really good at masking corporate interests behind useless, pandering rhetoric.

Most of you miss the point that Rage Against the Machine was signed to one of the largest multinational corporations in the world. You can talk about change from the inside all you want, but the band's profits went to the bottom line of a corporation. The article in Rolling Stone is going to sell cigarettes, cars and credit cards to dumb white kids. There are plenty of political bands out there that were able to not be greedy pigs and keep their integrity. Rage Against The Machine wasn't one of them

And hey, Leonard Peltier is still in jail.
 
2012-08-18 09:42:40 AM  

Peter_B_Risen: Can you imagine if GWB said that his favorite modern band was Green Day? Billie Joe's head would assplode.


In that case, I wish GWB would say that, since a world without Billie Joe would be a much better world.
 
2012-08-18 12:56:34 PM  
my lip balm addiction: sweetmelissa31: It's like Fartblackma saying his favorite band is Prussian Blue.

Jesus Christ, will you conservative trolls think up ANYTHING for a nickname for Obama that sounds intelligent and not full-derp retarded? Every single one of 'em has the word "fart" in it, I swear. Grow the fark up and try using that shiat between your ears to come up with something original!


I don't know her but she's anything other than a conservative troll. This is just too good.
 
2012-08-18 01:13:30 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: It makes sense- Paul Ryan and Tom Morello are both really good at masking corporate interests behind useless, pandering rhetoric.

Most of you miss the point that Rage Against the Machine was signed to one of the largest multinational corporations in the world. You can talk about change from the inside all you want, but the band's profits went to the bottom line of a corporation. The article in Rolling Stone is going to sell cigarettes, cars and credit cards to dumb white kids. There are plenty of political bands out there that were able to not be greedy pigs and keep their integrity. Rage Against The Machine wasn't one of them

And hey, Leonard Peltier is still in jail.


RATM are sellouts?
 
2012-08-18 08:10:43 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Aar1012: I'm sorry, but am I the only one who thinks this is kinda dumb? Ryan may not agree with the message but could like the music. I like the Dead Kennedys but I don't agree with all of there messages or subscribe to punk culture.

I think it's because RATM doesn't seem like a band someone like Paul Ryan (or his followers) would listen to. RATM are rather political, and their politics are decidedly not right-oriented, so that adds a level of WTF to the whole thing. Reminds me of when St. Ronald of Reagan used Born In The USA by Springsteen during his '84 campaign, completely oblivious to the fact the lyrics of the verses were not the rah-rah anthem the chorus was. The picture Bruce was painting was very bleak and depressing, reflecting what people like Reagan had done to America in the years following Vietnam. So it was hysterical to hear it playing when Reagan would have stump speeches or whatever, because it was the exact opposite of everything the GOP stood for.


The GOP is completely, 100% convinced that RATM is exactly what the stand for. They think they're the White Saviors who, if they had lived during the correct eras, would have stopped attacks on Native Americans, stopped slavery, stopped the Japanese Internment, stopped both World Wars, and now are going to stop the hatred against white people.

And this op-ed is exactly why I love RATM. I might not be able to understand half the lyrics, but damn do I love this band so much right now.
 
2012-08-20 07:17:00 PM  

SockMonkeyHolocaust: It makes sense- Paul Ryan and Tom Morello are both really good at masking corporate interests behind useless, pandering rhetoric.

Most of you miss the point that Rage Against the Machine was signed to one of the largest multinational corporations in the world. You can talk about change from the inside all you want, but the band's profits went to the bottom line of a corporation. The article in Rolling Stone is going to sell cigarettes, cars and credit cards to dumb white kids. There are plenty of political bands out there that were able to not be greedy pigs and keep their integrity. Rage Against The Machine wasn't one of them

And hey, Leonard Peltier is still in jail.


This band is bad, vote for the Grand Ole Opry.
 
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