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(BBC)   Heroin is a killer. Anthrax-laced heroin is a killest   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 54
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2012-08-17 08:14:18 AM  
. . . I guess that's one way to get addicts off drugs.
 
2012-08-17 08:16:03 AM  
These are the first cases of anthrax among drug users in Europe since an outbreak in 2009-10 which saw 119 cases in Scotland, five in England and two in Germany.

Somebody in Europe hates, I mean really hates, heroin addicts.

But seriously, I'm surprised you don't see more of this type of stuff with people intentionally lacing drug supplies to kill users.
 
2012-08-17 08:17:50 AM  
Well mostly because when you risk life imprisonment to sell drugs you primarily do it for monetary gain.
 
2012-08-17 08:18:25 AM  

ongbok: But seriously, I'm surprised you don't see more of this type of stuff with people intentionally lacing drug supplies to kill users.


Because why would you kill the people that you make money from?
 
2012-08-17 08:19:10 AM  
Scott Ian frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2012-08-17 08:22:21 AM  

A Terrible Human: ongbok: But seriously, I'm surprised you don't see more of this type of stuff with people intentionally lacing drug supplies to kill users.

Because why would you kill the people that you make money from?


I'm not talking about by drug dealers. I'm talking about by people who just want to kill people or by people that want to get rid of junkies. There is alot of crazy in this world.
 
2012-08-17 08:22:21 AM  

ongbok: Somebody in Europe hates, I mean really hates, heroin addicts.


Yeah, you have to be seriously farked in the head to hate people enough to invest a large sum of money in two separate highly illegal operations (manufacturing anthrax and heroin distribution) solely for the purpose of farking over people you don't even know.
 
2012-08-17 08:22:33 AM  
*lean forward on desk and press button on 1950's style intercom*

"Jane."

"Yes sir."

"Get me the marketing department on the phone right away."

"Yes sir."

"No wait. Scratch that. Tell them to come up to my office. All of them. Right now."

"Yes sir."

*drumming fingers impatiently on desk*
 
2012-08-17 08:27:32 AM  

devlin carnate: Scott Ian frowns on your shenanigans.


Drokk it.
 
2012-08-17 08:36:17 AM  

devlin carnate: Scott Ian frowns on your shenanigans.


So what, the ride, the glide should be much safer than a suicide.
 
2012-08-17 08:37:05 AM  

incendi: ongbok: Somebody in Europe hates, I mean really hates, heroin addicts.

Yeah, you have to be seriously farked in the head to hate people enough to invest a large sum of money in two separate highly illegal operations (manufacturing anthrax and heroin distribution) solely for the purpose of farking over people you don't even know.


I couldn't have summed it up better. That's mad scientist level crazy and rich. And not the good mad scientist kind ether.
 
2012-08-17 08:40:59 AM  

Pichu0102: incendi: ongbok: Somebody in Europe hates, I mean really hates, heroin addicts.

Yeah, you have to be seriously farked in the head to hate people enough to invest a large sum of money in two separate highly illegal operations (manufacturing anthrax and heroin distribution) solely for the purpose of farking over people you don't even know.

I couldn't have summed it up better. That's mad scientist level crazy and rich. And not the good mad scientist kind ether.


...and apparently rather inefficient. How many people have died from heroin laced with anthrax so far? If this is the best and uber rich mad scientist can do, colour me unimpressed.
 
2012-08-17 08:43:01 AM  
The pain meds I have to take now are a lot like heroin
Dilaudid is some damn strong stuff. Spent my birthday asleep on the couch.
 
2012-08-17 08:44:44 AM  
I don't know why this doesn't happen more often.

/Time to clean up them corners, yo dog?
 
2012-08-17 08:49:28 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I don't know why this doesn't happen more often.

/Time to clean up them corners, yo dog?


Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?
 
2012-08-17 08:49:58 AM  

Pichu0102: incendi: ongbok: Somebody in Europe hates, I mean really hates, heroin addicts.

Yeah, you have to be seriously farked in the head to hate people enough to invest a large sum of money in two separate highly illegal operations (manufacturing anthrax and heroin distribution) solely for the purpose of farking over people you don't even know.

I couldn't have summed it up better. That's mad scientist level crazy and rich. And not the good mad scientist kind ether.


I was about to write that I don't know why the globalist governments don't do this more often but then I realized how much money the heroin trade makes for every single step in the growing and distribution and security chains along the way from field to street user. Everybody makes money, from the cops who look the other way to diplomats and dealers at all levels. I'd say poisoning heroin is a morally neutral act and the victims decided their own fates. That's one of the creepy things about street drugs -- you never know what's in that stuff that you're putting into you body.
Roll the dice, take your chances, right?
 
2012-08-17 08:52:23 AM  
 
2012-08-17 08:53:37 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Everybody makes money, from the cops who look the other way to diplomats and dealers at all levels. I'd say poisoning heroin is a morally neutral act and the victims decided their own fates


I'd say the victims, the drug addicts, are probably the least morally despicable in that whole system.
 
2012-08-17 08:57:32 AM  

tankjr: HotIgneous Intruder: I don't know why this doesn't happen more often.

/Time to clean up them corners, yo dog?

Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?


You sound sympathetic.
Junkies are a Darwinian weak spot in the human genetic chain.
Bless their hearts.

/Addiction is a giant component of what's wrong with the Unites States of America right now.
//Coffee, cigarettes, sugar, alcohol, the internet, video games, food, gambling, exercise, teevee, sex, consumption, Americans lead the world in cumpulsive-obsessive addictive behaviors and it's considered normal. Most people are better off poor so that they won't kill themselves with excesses; like the rats who will keep dispensing cocaine to themselves until they die.
 
2012-08-17 08:59:30 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: tankjr: HotIgneous Intruder: I don't know why this doesn't happen more often.

/Time to clean up them corners, yo dog?

Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?

You sound sympathetic.
Junkies are a Darwinian weak spot in the human genetic chain.
Bless their hearts.

/Addiction is a giant component of what's wrong with the Unites States of America right now.
//Coffee, cigarettes, sugar, alcohol, the internet, video games, food, gambling, exercise, teevee, sex, consumption, Americans lead the world in cumpulsive-obsessive addictive behaviors and it's considered normal. Most people are better off poor so that they won't kill themselves with excesses; like the rats who will keep dispensing cocaine to themselves until they die.


Sociopathy under the guise of intellectualism. God, I love this country!
 
2012-08-17 09:00:12 AM  
heroin is actually totally benign as far as your health goes. aside from the constipation, you could shoot up three times a day for the rest of your life and nothing bad would happen to you, physiologically. might even be good for your health in some respects. even the rotgut Mexican tar.

its the lifestyle that does you in.
 
2012-08-17 09:03:52 AM  

incendi: HotIgneous Intruder: Everybody makes money, from the cops who look the other way to diplomats and dealers at all levels. I'd say poisoning heroin is a morally neutral act and the victims decided their own fates

I'd say the victims, the drug addicts, are probably the least morally despicable in that whole system.


You're probably right there. And nobody is more amoral than the politicians who won't stop it.
(I'm doing a hard stare at a long succession of American presidents here.)
I don't get why we don't defoliate all those poppy fields, since we're spending a gazillion dollar a day in Afghanistan anyway. We could do that easily, identifying the plants with multi-spectrum satellite imagery. It would be cheaper to do that than keep the whole drug war machine going all down the line.
Call me a liberal dreamer, sigh.
 
2012-08-17 09:06:01 AM  

willfullyobscure: heroin is actually totally benign as far as your health goes. aside from the constipation, you could shoot up three times a day for the rest of your life and nothing bad would happen to you, physiologically. might even be good for your health in some respects. even the rotgut Mexican tar.


I had a junkie in Frankfurt tell me that numerous times.
No thanks just the same.

/Ice cream and pizza is totally benign, too. Until that's all you eat in huge quantities.
 
2012-08-17 09:07:11 AM  

tankjr: Sociopathy under the guise of intellectualism. God, I love this country!


But, but, but, FREEDOM.
You're free to make your choice and take your chance.
Darwin never sleeps.
 
2012-08-17 09:07:15 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder:
I was about to write that I don't know why the globalist governments don't do this more often but then I realized how much money the heroin trade makes for every single step in the growing and distribution and security chains along the way from field to street user. Everybody makes money, from the cops who look the other way to diplomats and dealers at all levels. I'd say poisoning heroin is a morally neutral act and the victims decided their own fates. That's one of the creepy things about street drugs -- you never know what's in that stuff that you're putting into you body.
Roll the dice, take your chances, right?


Somehow I doubt that there would be any major bankruptcy if the heroin industry were to disappear other than that of the poor farmers who grow the poppies. Police, diplomats etc already get paid so they'd hardly starve. The poppy growers on the other hand just might, not that anyone cares about them.

incendi:
I'd say the victims, the drug addicts, are probably the least morally despicable in that whole system.


Meh, it's like selling them a gun, no one is forcing them to hold it to their head and pull the trigger. Unless you meant selling anthrax laden heroin, as opposed to regular heroin, in which case I really doubt the sellers even know anyway. The number of cases is so small it is most likely to be some accidental contamination rather than deliberate action.
 
2012-08-17 09:10:12 AM  

tankjr: Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?


Why and how is believing that people should take personal responsibility for their choices sociopathy?
Oh, I remember: It's because Americans don't DO responsibility.
Everything is always someone else's fault.

That sounds like a neoliberal t-shirt slogan.
 
2012-08-17 09:13:08 AM  

Nidiot: The poppy growers on the other hand just might, not that anyone cares about them.


It would be easy and cost effective to pay them to grow any other crop. Even if the other crop was less lucrative than opium poppies, the could be paid cash, plus some, for the difference. Remove the economic incentive, remove the motivation.

/I think more people all up the distribution/smuggling line make more money than you think they do.
 
2012-08-17 09:19:50 AM  
Some idiot probably cut the dope on an animal skin somewhere along the way, or else it was packed in an animal skin at some point during transport. It's even possible to get anthrax infections from poorly processed skin drums.

/Goat skin drums, watch out for them.
 
2012-08-17 09:21:06 AM  
The dope was probably transported or cut on a poorly processed animal skin.
It's also possible to get an anthrax infection from untreated drum heads made of animal skins.
 
2012-08-17 09:21:47 AM  
/whoops, Dopple posted.
My bad.
 
2012-08-17 09:22:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Nidiot: The poppy growers on the other hand just might, not that anyone cares about them.

It would be easy and cost effective to pay them to grow any other crop. Even if the other crop was less lucrative than opium poppies, the could be paid cash, plus some, for the difference. Remove the economic incentive, remove the motivation.

/I think more people all up the distribution/smuggling line make more money than you think they do.


I have read somewhere that the problems with that are other crops would fail in the areas where poppies are grown or it is really expensive to maintain them and the potential yield from the crop is usually very small. That is why they grow poppy and not other crops.
 
2012-08-17 09:26:46 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: tankjr: Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?

Why and how is believing that people should take personal responsibility for their choices sociopathy?
Oh, I remember: It's because Americans don't DO responsibility.
Everything is always someone else's fault.

That sounds like a neoliberal t-shirt slogan.


wow, who peed in your wheaties?
And BTW, many Americans are educated enough to realize that nobody in their right mind wakes up one day and say's to themselves "I think I'll ruin the rest of my life by becoming addicted to a substance today. It's Tuesday so Heroin is on the menu"
Like Pintrest or Fark, most people stumble into it. It's not an intentional turn on the road to old age.
Just so you know.
Because you didn't. Helpful that way
 
2012-08-17 09:31:04 AM  

ongbok: That is why they grow poppy and not other crops.


Yeah, that's probably a factor.
But for the pallets of money we're spending there already on the military option, I think we could afford to permanently subsidize some other crop. Farking geraniums or whatever it took.
But nobody is actually serious about stopping the drug trade.
Not Karzai, not the tribes, not the white house, not the state department, not the CIA, nobody.
 
2012-08-17 09:33:24 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: tankjr: Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?

Why and how is believing that people should take personal responsibility for their choices sociopathy?
Oh, I remember: It's because Americans don't DO responsibility.
Everything is always someone else's fault.

That sounds like a neoliberal t-shirt slogan.


Because you called for the killing of addicts, farktard. Try to keep up with the shiat you've spewed.
 
2012-08-17 09:40:16 AM  

ongbok: HotIgneous Intruder: Nidiot: The poppy growers on the other hand just might, not that anyone cares about them.

It would be easy and cost effective to pay them to grow any other crop. Even if the other crop was less lucrative than opium poppies, the could be paid cash, plus some, for the difference. Remove the economic incentive, remove the motivation.

/I think more people all up the distribution/smuggling line make more money than you think they do.

I have read somewhere that the problems with that are other crops would fail in the areas where poppies are grown or it is really expensive to maintain them and the potential yield from the crop is usually very small. That is why they grow poppy and not other crops.



Very true, poppies give a higher monetary yield than other legitimate crops.

Also I realise the growers are still barely making enough to put a meagre amount of food on the table for their families, the majority of the money is going to the middle men. I don't care about the middle men, they produce nothing and are despicable. I am all for governments paying the poor farmers more for some other crop.

However the middle men are also the sort that resort to threatening and carrying out killings or tortures if the peasants that they want to grow their crops don't comply. Look up the cases of child kidnapping in Afghanistan when the farmer owes the drug lords money that was paid in advance of a crop, but was unable to be paid back because the government came in and destroyed the poppies in one of their war against drugs operations. Young children, mostly girls, are taken in lieu of payment and then sold on as sex slaves. ...and all because some little rich first world person would like to get "high". This is why I have no sympathy for junkies, they have to be one of the most selfish types of people on the planet.
 
2012-08-17 09:41:15 AM  

Marcintosh: Just so you know.
Because you didn't.


Sorry if that came across as peevish.
I do know and I choose not to do drugs and I don't recommend them to anybody.
(I'm lucky to be alive, btw.)
I understand the human condition and human frailty and how we dream dreams and how reality tends to alter those dreams. But I also understand that putting dope in your body is a choice, albeit a bad one, with unintended consequences. LIfe is full of unintended consequences.
Just don't bother telling me what I do or don't know.
Drugs are something I know and not in a suburban basement party way.
 
2012-08-17 09:41:52 AM  

willfullyobscure: heroin is actually totally benign as far as your health goes. aside from the constipation, you could shoot up three times a day for the rest of your life and nothing bad would happen to you, physiologically. might even be good for your health in some respects. even the rotgut Mexican tar.

its the lifestyle that does you in.


Keep kidding yourself. All drugs, including the ones that your doctor prescribes for you will have effects other than the positive ones you were aiming for. Since heroin depresses the nervous system, including respiration rates, heroin addicts are at an increased risk of pneumonia. Injecting can damage veins and lead to infections that damage heart valves and linings. So sure, if you don't mind getting heart or lung problems, go ahead and think it might even be good for your health.
 
2012-08-17 09:44:34 AM  

tankjr: HotIgneous Intruder: tankjr: Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?

Why and how is believing that people should take personal responsibility for their choices sociopathy?
Oh, I remember: It's because Americans don't DO responsibility.
Everything is always someone else's fault.

That sounds like a neoliberal t-shirt slogan.

Because you called for the killing of addicts, farktard. Try to keep up with the shiat you've spewed.


I did?
You must be high.
Please post the quote of where I said anything like that.

/Usually the addicts kill themselves.
 
2012-08-17 10:01:29 AM  

tankjr: Because most people aren't farking sociopaths and realize that while junkies are undesirable they are humans and deserving mostly of our pity?



No one made them take heroin, it isn't something that was beyond their control like cancer, it isn't the result of an accident that was unavoidable. If being a sociopath is being happy when in pursuit of their high they give themselves up to Darwin, then a sociopath I am.


Marcintosh: Like Pintrest or Fark, most people stumble into it. It's not an intentional turn on the road to old age.


What? You can "stumble" and fall so that you land on a needle of heroin that was just lying around which then empties in to your vein and this happens with such regularity that eventually you become addicted. You must be one hell of a klutz.
 
2012-08-17 10:12:21 AM  

Nidiot: What? You can "stumble" and fall so that you land on a needle of heroin that was just lying around which then empties in to your vein and this happens with such regularity that eventually you become addicted. You must be one hell of a klutz.


Or you know, you could become addicted to legally prescribed opiates after an injury... then turn to the same opiates, obtained illegally, when your doctor cuts you off... then turn to heroin when you can't get any pills.

There's a couple of ex-heroin addicts here on Fark - maybe they'd like to weigh in.
 
2012-08-17 10:24:47 AM  

incendi: Nidiot: What? You can "stumble" and fall so that you land on a needle of heroin that was just lying around which then empties in to your vein and this happens with such regularity that eventually you become addicted. You must be one hell of a klutz.

Or you know, you could become addicted to legally prescribed opiates after an injury... then turn to the same opiates, obtained illegally, when your doctor cuts you off... then turn to heroin when you can't get any pills.



I'd have sympathy for them, but somehow I don't think that the people who got there because of issues with being incorrectly weaned off pain meds make up the majority of junkies. In fact those people who go to doctors and lie in order to get drugs purely to get high piss me off because they just make it more difficult for the legitimate people who need pain medication to get their prescriptions. If you need pain meds you should be able to get them, and it is the little brats who are after shiats and giggles that make that a problem in the first place.
 
2012-08-17 10:27:55 AM  
Now the got-damn feminists are trying to kill us with the Anthrax?? Now I like a woman who can take care of herself, but if I'm dippin my dong and exchanging precious bodily fluids with her,I don't want anything else tick tick tickin' in my head. I'm a romantic.
 
2012-08-17 11:02:23 AM  
what Anthrax and heroin may look like
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2012-08-17 11:24:54 AM  

Nidiot: willfullyobscure: heroin is actually totally benign as far as your health goes. aside from the constipation, you could shoot up three times a day for the rest of your life and nothing bad would happen to you, physiologically. might even be good for your health in some respects. even the rotgut Mexican tar.

its the lifestyle that does you in.

Keep kidding yourself. All drugs, including the ones that your doctor prescribes for you will have effects other than the positive ones you were aiming for. Since heroin depresses the nervous system, including respiration rates, heroin addicts are at an increased risk of pneumonia. Injecting can damage veins and lead to infections that damage heart valves and linings. So sure, if you don't mind getting heart or lung problems, go ahead and think it might even be good for your health.


It's no joke. Respiratory depression is so minor with heroin use that it's not going get you pneumonia you weren't getting anyway. addicts get sick because they do stuff like fall asleep in the rain or the snow. Diabetics inject with needles several times a day, every day, for their entire lives, and don't get infections from it, so that argument is invalid too.

And look at the alternatives: 7 Tylenol can kill you. Alcohol is a poison that literally burns your body up from the inside out. Tobacco and marijuana give you lung cancer as well as put you at risk for upper respiratory illnesses. MDMA eats away your brain like acid eating away a sponge. Amphetamines burn out your CNS permanently. Barbituates make you psychotic and anti-pyschotics fundamentally alter your personality, for the worse, sometime permanently. NONE of things happen with opiates. The only thing you have to worry about is taking a crap, and there's a whole aisle of stuff for that at Walgreens.

Face facts: if you're concerned about your health, heroin is one of the safest, most gentle and forgiving drugs you can do. It's really the addiction and the lifestyle that does you in.
 
2012-08-17 11:25:56 AM  

Nidiot: 'd have sympathy for them, but somehow I don't think that the people who got there because of issues with being incorrectly weaned off pain meds make up the majority of junkies.


I wonder if you can sue a doctor who gets you addicted to pain meds?
Or are they legally safe because of the personal responsibility aspect of addiction?
 
2012-08-17 11:30:54 AM  
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/Yeah I'm a bastard. Legalize 'em all, let the fools OD, even if it's my little cousin.
 
2012-08-17 11:35:12 AM  

willfullyobscure: Face facts: if you're concerned about your health, heroin is one of the safest, most gentle and forgiving drugs you can do. It's really the addiction and the lifestyle that does you in.


I got this same long-winded nonsense an Irish junkie named Frank in Frankfurt 25 years ago, just about word for word. Junkies must have a PR firm, maybe there's an Heroin Consumer Advocate Association, or something. In a perfect world, heroin is a perfect drug, blah, blah, blah. But in the real world people sell their babies to get high again.

/Frank, is that you? Oh wait. Frank's dead. My bad.
 
2012-08-17 12:02:59 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: willfullyobscure: Face facts: if you're concerned about your health, heroin is one of the safest, most gentle and forgiving drugs you can do. It's really the addiction and the lifestyle that does you in.

I got this same long-winded nonsense an Irish junkie named Frank in Frankfurt 25 years ago, just about word for word. Junkies must have a PR firm, maybe there's an Heroin Consumer Advocate Association, or something. In a perfect world, heroin is a perfect drug, blah, blah, blah. But in the real world people sell their babies to get high again.

/Frank, is that you? Oh wait. Frank's dead. My bad.


hey, I'm not recommending it- just pointing out the facts. Every seen someone drink themselves to death? It's a hell of a lot uglier than most of the junkies I knew. Or meth, for that matter. On a scale of unpleasant and painful addictions to suffer under, heroin is waaaay down the list, somewhere just above "weed" or "really expensive coffee".
 
2012-08-17 12:36:14 PM  
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2012-08-17 01:22:12 PM  
I don't think people realize how hard it is to culture and process anthrax spores into a form that would be easily weaponized, and spiked into heroin purposefully.

Chances are this was incidental contamination from being smuggled with animal skins, or some other form of livestock product that was contaminated with the spores.

We get one or two infections each year in Tennessee from the farming and livestock industry of cutaneous anthrax. Bacillis Anthracis is pretty common in the soil on animal farms.
 
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