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2012-08-17 08:28:03 AM  
Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.
 
2012-08-17 08:28:21 AM  
Nicely put.
 
2012-08-17 08:31:50 AM  
Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.
 
2012-08-17 08:37:12 AM  

dittybopper:

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.


BIE?
 
2012-08-17 08:43:54 AM  

dittybopper: Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.


Both sides are bad. Shoot Democrats.
 
2012-08-17 08:44:12 AM  

dittybopper: This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.


Voting Green or Libertarian won't fix people's inherent biases and issues. What it will do, however, is provide us with even worse governance than we already have. It would be the same thing as deciding to go to the snakehandling church because you're sick of the Catholic church's malfeasance.
 
2012-08-17 08:46:29 AM  

dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.


Yeah. That'll accomplish a lot.

Maybe we should just vote for the guys with the least amount of money. Show out politicians that we can't or won't be bought.
 
2012-08-17 08:47:22 AM  
Unless you live in a competitive district or state, it doesn't matter who you vote for.
 
2012-08-17 08:52:48 AM  

dittybopper: Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.


Has the filter been changed? Testing: Boobies. Weeners. fark. shiat. biatch. coont.
 
2012-08-17 08:55:57 AM  

Paris1127: dittybopper: Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.

Has the filter been changed? Testing: Boobies. Weeners. fark. shiat. biatch. coont.


Boobiesed, last posted, it's a bit chilly. It'shiatting me. What a coontrag.
 
2012-08-17 09:10:28 AM  

Paris1127: dittybopper: Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.

Has the filter been changed? Testing: Boobies. Weeners. fark. shiat. biatch. coont.


I was riffing off the filter: Knowing that it would change you-know-what to "Boobies", I went the extra step myself. Double bluff. It's an X-K-Red-27 technique.
 
2012-08-17 09:11:17 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: What it will do, however, is provide us with even worse governance than we already have.


That's a feature, not a bug.
 
2012-08-17 09:13:17 AM  

GAT_00: Both sides are bad. Shoot Democrats.


Both sides are bad. Re-elect neither.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-17 09:18:45 AM  

dittybopper: GAT_00: Both sides are bad. Shoot Democrats.

Both sides are bad. Re-elect neither.


Because if you have no hope of getting the other side to vote for your candidate, try to keep them from voting at all.
 
2012-08-17 09:22:59 AM  

dittybopper: Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.


First, there are not just two sides in this.

You have a group of self-proclaimed moralists going around pushing their narrow, bigoted viewpoint of the world, and you have several organizations acting to counter that message. Add to that pundits on all sides of the isle that stoke hot-button issues and, finally, one unbalanced man.

Unbalanced man attacks, every organization on both sides responds with outrage and sympathy, and then the moralists tell everyone they wouldn't have been shot at if people stopped calling their ignorance, ignorant. Because if moralist do anything well, it is telling the world how awful it is to be them and exist.

These are not equal positions, this is one side projecting. The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled the Family Research Council a hate group because they are a hate group. They use religion as a shield to push bigoted policy against the LGBT community. Just because CNN puts their representative in the same size box as the person they disagree with dosen't mean their position is worth listening to or equal in any way.
 
2012-08-17 09:24:13 AM  
let's not forget that hero of the right Jim "the liberal killer" Adkisson

or that asswipe skinhead who shot up the Sikh temple
 
2012-08-17 09:24:45 AM  

dittybopper: That's a feature, not a bug.


The problems with governance are the problems inherent in the human animal. You want to get rid of those problems? Work to establish robotic overlords who will eventually destroy humans.

Meanwhile, I'll vote Obama.
 
2012-08-17 09:25:46 AM  

vpb: dittybopper: GAT_00: Both sides are bad. Shoot Democrats.

Both sides are bad. Re-elect neither.

Because if you have no hope of getting the other side to vote for your candidate, try to keep them from voting at all.


So which candidate is mine? The asshole who signed an assault weapons ban, or the asshole who was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation for 8 years?
 
2012-08-17 09:26:51 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: The problems with governance are the problems inherent in the human animal. You want to get rid of those problems? Work to establish robotic overlords who will eventually destroy humans.


I don't want to get rid of them. I want to encourage them.
 
2012-08-17 09:29:21 AM  

dittybopper: I don't want to get rid of them. I want to encourage them.


Oh, that makes more sense. So you're an anarchist at heart?
 
2012-08-17 09:33:39 AM  

dittybopper: So which candidate is mine? The asshole who signed an assault weapons ban, or the asshole who was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation for 8 years?


I'm assuming you mean that Obama was part of the Joyce Foundation and that it's an anti-gun group.
Since I've never heard of that organization, I decided to look it up on wikipedia. Let's see what they promote:

Better public schools and teachers along with improved early childhood education
Job training for low income workers
Great Lakes water quality and energy conservation
Oh look - you're right, they fund research into firearms policy and support anti-gun groups
Campaign finance and ethics reform
Arts organizations

So you're going not going to vote for Obama because he was part of a group that researched gun policy along with trying to improve education, employment, the environment, political ethics, and the arts. Truly, he is the 2nd amendments greatest foe ever.
 
2012-08-17 09:35:32 AM  
Well, maybe if you weren't such assholes, y'all wouldn't get all shot up.

/ducks and runs out of thread.
 
2012-08-17 09:43:37 AM  

dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.


Before you judge "both sides" as wholly equal, let's look at one side:

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins: "Let me be very clear here that Floyd Corkins was responsible for the wounding of one of our colleagues and one of my friends yesterday here at the Family Research Council. But I believe he was given a license to do that by a group such as the Southern Poverty Law Center who, as you pointed out earlier, labeled us a hate group because we defend the family and we stand for traditional, Orthodox Christianity. And I'm going to tell you Megyn, there's no room for that in a society such as ours that is governed by a Constitution and where we shape our laws through elections and through public policy debates. And I think it's time for people to realize what the Southern Poverty Law Center is doing with their reckless labeling of organizations that they disagree with...

I'm not saying that the Southern Poverty Law Center is responsible for the shooting. Mr. Corkins is responsible for the shooting. They are responsible for creating an environment that led to yesterday's shooting."

And the other side:

"Yesterday's attack on the Family Research Council and the shooting of a security guard there was a tragedy. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) deplores all violence, and our thoughts are with the wounded victim, Leo Johnson, his family and others who lived through the attack.

For more than 40 years, the SPLC has battled against political extremism and political violence. We have argued consistently that violence is no answer to problems in a democratic society, and we have strongly criticized all those who endorse such violence, whether on the political left or the political right.

But this afternoon, FRC President Tony Perkins attacked the SPLC, saying it had encouraged and enabled the attack by labeling the FRC a "hate group." The attacker, Floyd Corkins, "was given a license to shoot an unarmed man by organizations like the Southern Poverty Law Center," Perkins said. "I believe the Southern Poverty Law Center should be held accountable for their reckless use of terminology."

Perkins' accusation is outrageous. The SPLC has listed the FRC as a hate group since 2010 because it has knowingly spread false and denigrating propaganda about LGBT people - not, as some claim, because it opposes same-sex marriage. The FRC and its allies on the religious right are saying, in effect, that offering legitimate and fact-based criticism in a democratic society is tantamount to suggesting that the objects of criticism should be the targets of criminal violence.

As the SPLC made clear at the time and in hundreds of subsequent statements and press interviews, we criticize the FRC for claiming, in Perkins' words, that pedophilia is "a homosexual problem" - an utter falsehood, as every relevant scientific authority has stated. An FRC official has said he wanted to "export homosexuals from the United States." The same official advocated the criminalizing of homosexuality.

Perkins and his allies, seeing an opportunity to score points, are using the attack on their offices to pose a false equivalency between the SPLC's criticisms of the FRC and the FRC's criticisms of LGBT people. The FRC routinely pushes out demonizing claims that gay people are child molesters and worse - claims that are provably false. It should stop the demonization and affirm the dignity of all people."
 
2012-08-17 09:58:42 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: dittybopper: I don't want to get rid of them. I want to encourage them.

Oh, that makes more sense. So you're an anarchist at heart?


Nope. Some government is necessary. A necessary evil, but necessary nonetheless.
 
2012-08-17 10:01:04 AM  

Lumpmoose: dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.

Before you judge "both sides" as wholly equal, let's look at one side:


I didn't say they were equal. I said they were both *WRONG*.
 
2012-08-17 10:02:54 AM  

dittybopper: Lumpmoose: dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.

Before you judge "both sides" as wholly equal, let's look at one side:

I didn't say they were equal. I said they were both *WRONG*.


And to clarify further, I was talking about left/right in general, not particular organizations on particular issues.
 
2012-08-17 10:03:14 AM  

Hobodeluxe: let's not forget that hero of the right Jim "the liberal killer" Adkisson

or that asswipe skinhead who shot up the Sikh temple



Don't you mean *Shiek* temple?
 
2012-08-17 10:10:39 AM  
"Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects."

FRC's Peter Sprigg: "I would much prefer to export homosexuals from the United States than to import them into the United States because we believe homosexuality is destructive to society."

FRC's Tony Perkins: "If you look at the American College of Pediatricians, they say the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a danger to children.

Tony Perkins' crocodile tears about "hate speech" are just a bit hard to take considering the kind of profit he makes at it himself. Of course he doesn't deserve to get shot at for it. But blaming the SPLC is an attempt to deflect attention from their own hate speech. Certainly, if it's "irresponsible" for the SPLC to accuse the FRC a hate group, it seems to me that it's doubly irresponsible for the FRC to accuse them of attempted murder. You can guess what the outcome of that might be. Link
 
2012-08-17 10:12:51 AM  

dittybopper: vpb: dittybopper: GAT_00: Both sides are bad. Shoot Democrats.

Both sides are bad. Re-elect neither.

Because if you have no hope of getting the other side to vote for your candidate, try to keep them from voting at all.

So which candidate is mine? The asshole who signed an assault weapons ban, or the asshole who was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation for 8 years?


1. You say anti-gun like it's a bad thing.
2. He's not a gun grabber. Gun rights have increased under his administration.
 
2012-08-17 10:18:07 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: FRC's Tony Perkins: "If you look at the American College of Pediatricians, they say the research is overwhelming that homosexuality poses a danger to children.


And the American College of Pediatricians has all sorts of fun facts about its creation, not the least of which is that its name is solely designed to confuse with the American Academy of Pediatrics, an organization that's 72 years older.
 
2012-08-17 10:20:38 AM  
If you are dissatisfied/angry/outraged at the current political situation and vote either Republican or Democrat you are voting to continue the problems. You are wasting your vote, you might as well stay home.

The only way to send a message or actually enact change is to change the players. To do that you need to vote for the competition.

As others above have said, vote Green or Libertarian. While they both have a lot of silly candidates, they are the only parties I know of that have enough non-silly candidates, plus rational platforms, that do not inherrantly want to cheat and kill people. Look at both and choose the one that fits you best.

Yeah, it is very unlikely a change will occur this time, but you have to start building somewhere, sometime.

Why not here and now?
 
2012-08-17 10:31:09 AM  

tomWright: If you are dissatisfied/angry/outraged at the current political situation and vote either Republican or Democrat you are voting to continue the problems. You are wasting your vote, you might as well stay home.

The only way to send a message or actually enact change is to change the players. To do that you need to vote for the competition.

As others above have said, vote Green or Libertarian. While they both have a lot of silly candidates, they are the only parties I know of that have enough non-silly candidates, plus rational platforms, that do not inherrantly want to cheat and kill people. Look at both and choose the one that fits you best.

Yeah, it is very unlikely a change will occur this time, but you have to start building somewhere, sometime.

Why not here and now?


There's verifiable evidence that the GOP has moved from a position of negotiation to a position of obstruction, which is the single greatest cause of political harm in this country at the moment. The Democrats are much more sensible and reasonable overall, as has been proven in the Obama administration, if you're paying attention.

I'm not a partisan. I would love to have two great options to choose from and a regular voting record reflecting both parties. But that's not possible with the current GOP and they have to be soundly defeated before they can rebuild and become great again. The only chance for that defeat is from the Democrats (or more likely, from themselves).

You have the right to make yourself electorally irrelevant but don't pretend that it's noble.
 
2012-08-17 10:33:51 AM  

hillbillypharmacist: Voting Green or Libertarian won't fix people's inherent biases and issues. What it will do, however, is provide us with even worse governance than we already have. It would be the same thing as deciding to go to the snakehandling church because you're sick of the Catholic church's malfeasance.


The difference is that when the Catholic Church comes by with the collection basket, you don't have to put jack shiat in there.
 
2012-08-17 10:41:49 AM  
Lumpmoose:You have the right to make yourself electorally irrelevant but don't pretend that it's noble.

Sorry, I regret that last sentence. I make arguing on the internet a little too full-contact sometimes.
 
2012-08-17 10:42:31 AM  

GAT_00: 1. You say anti-gun like it's a bad thing.


I think you're both idiots so there's that
 
2012-08-17 10:44:08 AM  
I hadn't heard about this. Was the attacker a law-abiding gun owner? Right up until he stopped abiding laws, that is.
 
2012-08-17 10:44:51 AM  
"reckless rhetoric" of the left-wing

When you point a finger you have 3 pointing back at yourself.
 
2012-08-17 10:45:29 AM  
It's really insensitive for anyone to talk about this, it's not the right time for it.

I'll let you know when it's ok.
 
2012-08-17 10:47:02 AM  
Cant we just shoot people who politicize tragedies out of a cannon, into the sun.
 
2012-08-17 10:47:32 AM  
Yeah. We are all filled with hate. I hate them for hating other people. Other people hate me for hating them. It's a never ending cycle of hate. We're just waiting for our Kefka, and then we can burn this motherf*cker down/live on floating islands filled with dragons.
 
2012-08-17 10:47:54 AM  

dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.


It's not the voting that is the problem, it the for-profit politics and political talking heads that are the problem. Voting (R), (D) (G) or (L) doesn't change the hate that is spewed from people. When every where to listen or read is saying how this group is out to destroy you or that group is out to destroy America, it's hard to remember that people have a right to be wrong in this country.
 
2012-08-17 10:48:10 AM  

dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.


Both sides are bad, vote for the major party that most closely aligns with you, because the message the Democrats get when a more liberal voter sits out or votes 3rd party isn't "I better swing left" it is "The Republican won, I better go more conservative".

Sadly, when the Democrats win, the Republicans learn a lesson of "I better go more conservative" not, "The more liberal candidate one, we better move left to win".
 
2012-08-17 10:48:59 AM  
This guy brought 15 bags of Chick-Fil-A before he tried to kill innocent people because of their beliefs.

weaselzippers.us

Apparently, he carried them in his stomach.

/You reap what you sow, Dims
 
2012-08-17 10:49:01 AM  

dittybopper: vpb: dittybopper: GAT_00: Both sides are bad. Shoot Democrats.

Both sides are bad. Re-elect neither.

Because if you have no hope of getting the other side to vote for your candidate, try to keep them from voting at all.

So which candidate is mine? The asshole who signed an assault weapons ban, or the asshole who was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation for 8 years?


if you had a bigger dong, you wouldn't care about either of those.
 
2012-08-17 10:51:58 AM  

dittybopper: Both sides are wrong, and acting like douches.

This year, vote Green or Libertarian instead of Democrat or Republican.


This year? Piker.
 
2012-08-17 10:52:07 AM  

beta_plus: This guy brought 15 bags of Chick-Fil-A before he tried to kill innocent people because of their beliefs.

[weaselzippers.us image 550x412]

Apparently, he carried them in his stomach.

/You reap what you sow, Dims


This from the guy who jumped for joy when Rep. Giffords was shot. What a pathetic example of a human being.
 
2012-08-17 10:52:28 AM  
Single issue voters should probably get used to sitting out elections.
 
2012-08-17 10:54:17 AM  

vartian: dittybopper: Though I will add this: The left are partially to blame for this, because they rushed to judgement about the Gabby Giffords shooting, blaming that on right-wing rhetoric. When the inevitable attack on a right-wing institution happens, it's only natural that the right would do the same thing, blaming left-wing rhetoric.

Like I said in my titties, both are wrong.

First, there are not just two sides in this.

You have a group of self-proclaimed moralists going around pushing their narrow, bigoted viewpoint of the world, and you have several organizations acting to counter that message. Add to that pundits on all sides of the isle that stoke hot-button issues and, finally, one unbalanced man.

Unbalanced man attacks, every organization on both sides responds with outrage and sympathy, and then the moralists tell everyone they wouldn't have been shot at if people stopped calling their ignorance, ignorant. Because if moralist do anything well, it is telling the world how awful it is to be them and exist.

These are not equal positions, this is one side projecting. The Southern Poverty Law Center labeled the Family Research Council a hate group because they are a hate group. They use religion as a shield to push bigoted policy against the LGBT community. Just because CNN puts their representative in the same size box as the person they disagree with dosen't mean their position is worth listening to or equal in any way.


This. And if anyone thinks vartian's post here is "inciting violence," you need your head examined.
 
2012-08-17 10:54:32 AM  

soaboutthat: It's not the voting that is the problem, it the for-profit politics and political talking heads that are the problem. Voting (R), (D) (G) or (L) doesn't change the hate that is spewed from people. When every where to listen or read is saying how this group is out to destroy you or that group is out to destroy America, it's hard to remember that people have a right to be wrong in this country.


Truth. I try my hardest to tune out the hate machine, but I can't avoid it. I walk around office buildings that have some random TV tuned to Fox or CNN or whatever (God, sometimes its even HLN) I get on Fark and it's nothing but "THESE OTHER GUYS ARE EVIL EVIL EVIL" Hell, you can't escape it. There's no room for reasonable people to disagree anymore. It gets in my blood, and I start acting the same way. It sucks.
 
2012-08-17 10:57:34 AM  
Ted Nugent...
 
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