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(CNSNews)   The Social Security Administration explains why they need 174,000 hollow-point bullets   (cnsnews.com) divider line 180
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2012-08-17 09:24:14 AM
Congress mandated cost savings so there giving us cost savings. Now just go over there and stand by the wall
 
2012-08-17 09:25:03 AM
BolloxReader: It's plan B for keeping the trust fund solvent.

THIS. I'm surprised that it took this long for someone to say it.
 
2012-08-17 09:25:42 AM
cmunic8r99: If you have to give CNS a click, just skip down to the comments for the real fun... it's derptastic.

I came in here to say this. Most comments seem to be arguing over whether it will be US troops that end up taking Obama's orders to subjugate white people, or some foreign army working on Obama's behalf.
 
2012-08-17 09:26:19 AM
Summercat: Skleenar: 174,000?

One bullet for every American. Do the math. It's pretty easy to figure out.

Sleep well, sheeple.

No no. You did your math wrong, there's more than double that for us population.

Its one bullet for each republican.


Sorry: I forgot the "real"
 
2012-08-17 09:27:08 AM
Shvetz: I came in here to say this. Most comments seem to be arguing over whether it will be US troops that end up taking Obama's orders to subjugate white people, or some foreign army working on Obama's behalf.

I bet Mexico's. Those guys work for cheap.
 
2012-08-17 09:27:28 AM
Loki009: I match your NASA SWAT with Amtrak Police

Personal experience: Do not fark around with these people. Do. Not.

If there are no other pressing issues, they will sit all farking day in the railroad easement waiting for your dumb-ass to venture through the fence to get the location of the railroad bounds (they are concrete stones with drill holes in the center, between the rails at the PTs and PCs and various spots along the CL.). And after 9/11, they have even less of a sense of humor.
 
2012-08-17 09:27:50 AM
YodaBlues: Because soft, pussy-ass conservatives scare easily.

/shiat or get off the pot, you Rambo wannabe dick-less wonders.
//Start your glorious conservative revolution or shut the fark up. Some of us havereal shiat to get done.


Smidge204: Because id Obama can't ban ammunition or tax it beyond affordability, he's going to buy the entire country's supply.
=Smidge=


Wait what, how is this a political issue???
 
2012-08-17 09:28:39 AM
Summercat: Skleenar: 174,000?

One bullet for every American. Do the math. It's pretty easy to figure out.

Sleep well, sheeple.

No no. You did your math wrong, there's more than double that for us population.

Its one bullet for each republican.


No, the government will cause widespread shortages of basic necessities. Once there are long queues for bread, BLAM! A single armor-piercing round will take out the entire line.
 
2012-08-17 09:30:23 AM
Tat'dGreaser: Wait what, how is this a political issue???

Everything's a political issue now. Where have you been?
 
2012-08-17 09:30:32 AM
Contingency plans in anticipation a Romney/Ryan win. The SSA offices will be under siege after Romney/Ryan stop sending out the checks and cut millions of people off from health care.
 
2012-08-17 09:32:23 AM
Gun nuts describing the weapons they own which use this ammunition turning this thread into a gun porn masturbatory aide in 3....2....
 
2012-08-17 09:32:29 AM
Non-story. Every Social Security office has at least one armed guard. Most of the time he just stands around looking bored - his job is to make sure everyone signs in.
However, people who are attending a Social Security office are often at a low point in their lives, and tempers can flair...
 
2012-08-17 09:34:28 AM
GAT_00: For the guns of their security guards to help them stop Republican terrorist attacks?

Winner!

And also why I have no hope for a return to civility until after an actual civil war is sparked.
 
2012-08-17 09:35:28 AM
Skleenar: 174,000?

One bullet for every American. Do the math. It's pretty easy to figure out.

Sleep well, sheeple.


You laugh, but one of the comments on TFA claimed this was enough ammo to kill "half of us." Wat. Their math is as bad as their spelling.

notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-08-17 09:35:34 AM
Pants full of macaroni!!: Everything's a political issue now. Where have you been?

Under a rock apparently
 
2012-08-17 09:36:09 AM
Because AARP

southparkstudios-intl.mtvnimages.com

that or death panels. you decide
 
2012-08-17 09:36:33 AM
Epoch_Zero: Gun nuts describing the weapons they own which use this ammunition turning this thread into a gun porn masturbatory aide in 3....2....

GIS for "gun porn"
 
2012-08-17 09:37:10 AM
Animatronik: As for other purchases, seems like you would purchase mostly target ammunition, not all hollowpoints.

Maybe they are just trying to keep it simple.



Its always a good idea to run your service/duty ammo through your weapon so you have the recoil and POI down for it compared to the target ammo.
 
2012-08-17 09:37:40 AM
Trying again:
 
2012-08-17 09:38:16 AM
Skleenar: Epoch_Zero: Gun nuts describing the weapons they own which use this ammunition turning this thread into a gun porn masturbatory aide in 3....2....

GIS for "gun porn"


Just because I have you favorited as "Godlike Haiku Legend" doesn't mean I will melt my workplace's firewall at your command.
 
2012-08-17 09:38:20 AM
img443.imageshack.us 

jeezus. that was too difficult
 
2012-08-17 09:38:47 AM
The comment I posted to the article.

Um, I hate to tell you folks this but that really isn't a lot of ammo. They are supplying it to 295 agents. That comes out to about 590 rounds per agent. A Full sized P250 Sig holds 14 rounds of this type of ammo.
On an average trip to the pistol range I usually fire between 100-150 rounds of .40 which is about the same size. On a single decent "training day" these guys could go through 150-200 rounds easily. Even if they hit the range only once every 2 months this is still only 6 months worth of ammo. Unless you like the idea of agents carrying guns they never practice with?
 
2012-08-17 09:39:58 AM
Epoch_Zero: Just because I have you favorited as "Godlike Haiku Legend" doesn't mean I will melt my workplace's firewall at your command.

[sheepishly]

Weelll, it wasn't a command as much as it was just me stumbling all over the new submission buttons.

I'll just drool quietly in a corner for the rest of the morning, thank you.
 
2012-08-17 09:41:02 AM
Loki009: Nem Wan: I wouldn't be surprised if every federal agency has its own cops.
NASA SWAT team.
[www.nasa.gov image 300x201]
I match your NASA SWAT with Amtrak Police
[farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]


I know a guy that got pulled over for roling through a red light and failure to signal at a non rail road traffic light by Amtrak Police. Yes there is a thing as Federal Traffic Court. And yes they have full police authority.


1976, rail crew was staying in the motel I worked at. Too many drunken brawls by the rail guys. Amtrack Police came to keep order. Two men. 150 Rail workers.
In a 1972 Plymouth Fury these men rubbed shoulders in the front seat. To this day I've never seen such large men again. Stuffed into cheap double Knit jackets and suspicious bulges in armpits.
Quiet ensued. The reason Rail Road cops are called Bulls.
What a 1972 Plymouth Fury III might look like with normal sized humans
carphotos.cardomain.com
Monsters! Get in the car!

CSB-deal with it.
 
2012-08-17 09:41:40 AM
Every single person should own a gun. Except for government employees. And black people. And that cat lady down the street.
 
2012-08-17 09:45:48 AM
Lost Thought 00: Every single person should own a gun. Except for government employees. And black people. And that cat lady down the street.

From what i've seen of the NRA folks, anyone who isn't a god fearin conservative shouldn't own a good, less they murder us all.
 
2012-08-17 09:46:09 AM
Animatronik: As for other purchases, seems like you would purchase mostly target ammunition, not all hollowpoints.

Maybe they are just trying to keep it simple.


For those not in the government - our fiscal year ends Sept 30th. Right around now agencies are scrambling to spend their remaning budget items before the clock runs down and they "leave money on the table". Odds are the rounds will be used for training, or (more likely) sit around in an supply closet somewhere.

Not spending all of your money is a greater sin then going over budget in a bureaucracy. The greater the budget, the greater the power. Not spending all your assigned budget means you don't have enough to do, and therefore don't get the money next year. So every agency rushes to spend whatever they can before the end of the fiscal year.

/yeah it doesn't seem right, but until someone comes up with a way of rewarding agencies (instead of punishing them) that come in under budget, this will continue.
 
2012-08-17 09:46:44 AM
Antimatter: I'm more interested in the use of .357 sig. I don't see to many of those, normally it's 9mm, .40 SW, or .45 for police. I wonder what their duty handgun is.

probably a .357 Sig.
 
2012-08-17 09:46:51 AM
fat boy: Carrousel begins

I heard that Sandmen always renew.
 
2012-08-17 09:47:44 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: 600 rounds per agent? Meh.

Yeah, once i did the math it makes sense assuming that the officer are required to train throughout the year to stay proficient.

The last thing that i would want in case of some strange emergency is to have an officer pull a weapon that he hasn't fired in 2yrs.
 
2012-08-17 09:48:31 AM
cmunic8r99: Lando Lincoln: cmunic8r99: If you have to give CNS a click, just skip down to the comments for the real fun... it's derptastic.

Mental health is just as important as physical health, people. Get regular checkups at your local psychologist.

I don't think there is medication strong enough to suppress derp this severe.


It's called I think cyanide.
 
2012-08-17 09:48:42 AM
FlashHarry: since this is CNS, i'm going to go ahead and assume that the SocSec admin does not need 174,000 hollow-point bullets.

the readers digest version is that the SS administration has around 300 special agents that they use to investigate SS fraud, threats against their employees and help provide security at SS offices. Like Special Agents at other Federal agencies they have full law enforcement authority and are armed while on duty.

/174,000 rounds for 300 agents is only 580 rounds per head
//kinda interesting but ultimately a non-story
 
2012-08-17 09:50:26 AM
Ficoce: I had to go to the SS office a while back and was really surprised to see armed guards at the door. Lol, they made me take my leatherman back to my truck. The two of them just stood around talking to each other for the most part. Don't know why they need to be armed, they are mostly receptionist that tell people which line they need to be in. A temp worker behind a desk could do the same thing. If anyone gave them trouble - they could just walk over and take the cane or walker away from the offending party.

The new reality is that a few crazies have made life more difficult for everyone. It's not just because of 9/11, but also other incidents since then. An angry tax protestor flew his private airplane into an IRS building. Luckily, he didn't kill anyone besides himself. A gunman opened fire in the lobby of the national holocaust museum and killed a security guard. Those two come to mind, and there are others beyond.
 
2012-08-17 09:53:07 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: 600 rounds per agent? Meh.

Not much if you consider training,

My question is why does the SSA need its own law enforcement ? Couldn't they just report suspected law enforcement issues to the Justice Department and let them handle it? Is there some Law Enforcement for the US Geological Survey or Head Start?

We already have an alphabet soup of LE

BATF
DEA
FBI
USMS
SS
DDS
ICE
USPIS
To name just a few

Could we not consolidate the majority of them under one (The Marshal Service being senior gets dibs) and save some money on bureaucracy and duplication of effort?
 
2012-08-17 09:56:34 AM
Most federal agencies have their own special agents, and they've been using hollow points for a while afaik.
 
2012-08-17 09:56:52 AM
295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.

And apparently they need about 588 bullets each? Were the nice round numbers like 550 and 600 not enough?

I've read breathless shrieking little articles that were just beside themselves because somebody might have "hundreds" of rounds of ammunition. Almost as many as a SS agent apparently.
 
2012-08-17 09:58:23 AM
randomjsa: 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.

And apparently they need about 588 bullets each? Were the nice round numbers like 550 and 600 not enough?


Clearly a lib plot.
 
TWX
2012-08-17 09:58:46 AM
Marcintosh: Loki009: Nem Wan: I wouldn't be surprised if every federal agency has its own cops.
NASA SWAT team.
[www.nasa.gov image 300x201]
I match your NASA SWAT with Amtrak Police
[farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

I know a guy that got pulled over for roling through a red light and failure to signal at a non rail road traffic light by Amtrak Police. Yes there is a thing as Federal Traffic Court. And yes they have full police authority.

1976, rail crew was staying in the motel I worked at. Too many drunken brawls by the rail guys. Amtrack Police came to keep order. Two men. 150 Rail workers.
In a 1972 Plymouth Fury these men rubbed shoulders in the front seat. To this day I've never seen such large men again. Stuffed into cheap double Knit jackets and suspicious bulges in armpits.
Quiet ensued. The reason Rail Road cops are called Bulls.
What a 1972 Plymouth Fury III might look like with normal sized humans
[carphotos.cardomain.com image 768x665]
Monsters! Get in the car!

CSB-deal with it.


Was their Fury III a four-door hardtop like this one?

If it was a four-door hardtop, did it have suicide rear doors, to make it easier for them to get inside?
 
2012-08-17 09:58:58 AM
Summercat: Skleenar: 174,000?

One bullet for every American. Do the math. It's pretty easy to figure out.

Sleep well, sheeple.

No no. You did your math wrong, there's more than double that for us population.

Its one bullet for each republican.


What the fark?

174 THOUSAND. Double?

There's 300,000 THOUSAND Americans. God you sub-human morons.
 
2012-08-17 10:00:54 AM
According to Wiki, hollow-points travel more accurately. Me thinks this may be one of the prime reasons for such a choice.

Link
 
2012-08-17 10:01:38 AM
I spotted this yesterday on drudge and made the make of reading the comments section...

i.imgur.com

/seriously, the comments make me want to move to Australia and renounce my US citizenship
 
2012-08-17 10:03:45 AM
"The Social Security Administration explains why they need 174,000 hollow-point bullets"

Because full metal jacket over penetrates.
 
2012-08-17 10:03:48 AM
Antimatter: I'm more interested in the use of .357 sig. I don't see to many of those, normally it's 9mm, .40 SW, or .45 for police. I wonder what their duty handgun is.

.454, Talon rounds.
 
2012-08-17 10:04:56 AM
Is it because there's a Democrat in the White House and he's going to outlaw ammunition so they need to stock up?
 
2012-08-17 10:04:59 AM
robbrie: Ficoce: I had to go to the SS office a while back and was really surprised to see armed guards at the door. Lol, they made me take my leatherman back to my truck. The two of them just stood around talking to each other for the most part. Don't know why they need to be armed, they are mostly receptionist that tell people which line they need to be in. A temp worker behind a desk could do the same thing. If anyone gave them trouble - they could just walk over and take the cane or walker away from the offending party.

The new reality is that a few crazies have made life more difficult for everyone. It's not just because of 9/11, but also other incidents since then. An angry tax protestor flew his private airplane into an IRS building. Luckily, he didn't kill anyone besides himself. A gunman opened fire in the lobby of the national holocaust museum and killed a security guard. Those two come to mind, and there are others beyond.


It would be difficult and expensive to put armed guards in every public place. Maybe we should allow the citizens to take over that responsibility.

/not a NRA member
 
2012-08-17 10:05:02 AM
MythDragon: Antimatter: I'm more interested in the use of .357 sig. I don't see to many of those, normally it's 9mm, .40 SW, or .45 for police. I wonder what their duty handgun is.

probably a .357 Sig.


My guess is a Glock 31.
 
2012-08-17 10:05:17 AM
jaybeezey: Yeah, once i did the math it makes sense assuming that the officer are required to train throughout the year to stay proficient.

hasty ambush: Not much if you consider training,

I have at least that much in two different handgun calibers. A little less in rifle. When one goes target shooting, it's amazing how fast it goes.
 
2012-08-17 10:07:10 AM
Antimatter: I'm more interested in the use of .357 sig. I don't see to many of those, normally it's 9mm, .40 SW, or .45 for police. I wonder what their duty handgun is.

Texas DPS carries Sig 226 chambered in the .357 Sig. Great round and a great pistol.
 
2012-08-17 10:08:12 AM
Loki009: Nem Wan: I wouldn't be surprised if every federal agency has its own cops.
NASA SWAT team.
[www.nasa.gov image 300x201]

I match your NASA SWAT with Amtrak Police

[farm6.staticflickr.com image 640x480]

I know a guy that got pulled over for roling through a red light and failure to signal at a non rail road traffic light by Amtrak Police. Yes there is a thing as Federal Traffic Court. And yes they have full police authority.


Yes, many agencies have their own police, fire/EMS units. Sometimes it makes sense (especially fire/EMS) since they have training to deal with any special situations at a Federal site - local fire dept. may not have the equipment or training to deal with whatever hazards are present at a Federal R&D lab (chemical, radiation, etc.). They usually have agreements where they help the community as well.

Some agencies that have armed police forces don't need them - but it looks good on the budget and you don't want to leave the Homeland unprepared, do you?
 
2012-08-17 10:08:32 AM
hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: 600 rounds per agent? Meh.

Not much if you consider training,

My question is why does the SSA need its own law enforcement ? Couldn't they just report suspected law enforcement issues to the Justice Department and let them handle it? Is there some Law Enforcement for the US Geological Survey or Head Start?

We already have an alphabet soup of LE

BATF
DEA
FBI
USMS
SS
DDS
ICE
USPIS
To name just a few

Could we not consolidate the majority of them under one (The Marshal Service being senior gets dibs) and save some money on bureaucracy and duplication of effort?


Right, because a *BIGGER* law enforcement bureaucracy is EXACTLY what this country needs.

I'm ok with this - it make sense to let each organization handle their own policing with small, purpose-built LEOs. They know what they need to do and how they need to do it, which seems efficient to me.

Those of you suggesting that SSA doesn't need it's own cops - do you really want your local cops handling social security fraud cases? Because, uh, news flash, they'll have take time off from, you know, actually investigating violent criminals.
 
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