hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: 600 rounds per agent? Meh.

Not much if you consider training,

My question is why does the SSA need its own law enforcement ? Couldn't they just report suspected law enforcement issues to the Justice Department and let them handle it? Is there some Law Enforcement for the US Geological Survey or Head Start?

We already have an alphabet soup of LE

BATF
DEA
FBI
USMS
SS
DDS
ICE
USPIS
To name just a few

Could we not consolidate the majority of them under one (The Marshal Service being senior gets dibs) and save some money on bureaucracy and duplication of effort?

And take away some bureaucrat's petty fiefdom? Are you mad?

My office is next to the local SS and so I pass it every morning. Occasionally I stop to chat with the guard, who's a lovely (genuinely) Christian lady with a gorgeous smile and a lilting Caribbean accent. I simply can't imagine her shooting a gun, but I suppose that it's part of her job training.

I am worried that a SS office would be an attractive target for a right-wing terrorist. When I pass the entrance between 8:30 and 9:00 AM, there are generally 30 to 40 people lined up to get in. Most of them are non-white, and many of them appear to be immigrants.

kayanlau: According to Wiki, hollow-points travel more accurately. Me thinks this may be one of the prime reasons for such a choice.

Link

No, that's pretty much just HPBTs used in sniper rifles.

The pistol rounds are pretty much just designed to expand and do a lot of tissue damage.

Also, random gun facts related to random government SWAT teams: NASA SWAT owned a MP5 that during it's 8 year service life fired 571,000 rounds. During that time NASA replaced 26 parts. IIRC it was some kind of HK record.

kayanlau: According to Wiki, hollow-points travel more accurately. Me thinks this may be one of the prime reasons for such a choice.

Link

That's only true when compared to rifle bullets designed for high accuracy, and when specifically compared side by side with a machined point on a bullet. It turns out, it's nearly impossible to make a point that doesn't influence bullet flight, but it's relatively easy (tolerance wise) to make a hollow point.

So, they shape them MOSTLY to a point and stop, and then use the little tip as engineering slack to make QC easier. (Plus, keeping normal knocking around from causing problems.)



Most of the time, it doesn't matter. When precise shooting is involved it sometimes does. A high velocity bullet FMJ smaller than a .308 or so usually breaks up anyway, so "mushrooming" isn't important. 

Hollow point bullets from handguns are designed differently, and don't have the same precision considerations, nor do they have the velocity to break up by themselves (mostly) so a big open gap at front to make the bullet expand is helpful.

Anyway, they are using up their budgets. Bullets can be stored for years and don't need any particularly difficult to maintain conditions. The only things these stories do is make me jealous, I wish I could get the price breaks involved with purchases by the semi-trailer full of ammo. ;(

I can foresee three things happening:

Scenario 1:
Government stops sending out Social Security checks to it's citizens.
Citizens revolt.
Government uses ammo to kill revolting citizens.

Scenario 2:
Government evaluates data reporting citizens receiving Social Security benefits.
Government secretly outsources hitmen from India (or any other country that'll do the job cheap) to use said ammo to kill citizens that collect the most benefits.

Scenario 3:
CNS is a bunch of paranoid idiots and this is standard government procedure.

Take your pick.

This whole thing is a non-issue to anyone who isn't psychotic.

So basically, it's only an issue to people who read CNS News and Rand Paul.

SSA + Bullets= Soylent Green

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7273415/78775089#c78775089" target="_blank">Lupine Chemist</a>:</b> <i>syberpud: /yeah it doesn't seem right, but until someone comes up with a way of rewarding agencies (instead of punishing them) that come in under budget, this will continue.

Distribute a certain percentage of the savings amongst the employees as cash. Economic stimulus and huge motivation for efficiency.</i>

Now get a law passed that says that. :)

Might take some tweaking - like who would get the bonus? The purchasing officer or the person making the request? The manager? Unfortunately there are a lot of people involved in purchasing and contracting in an agency. Some sort of formula would need to be worked out.

/not saying it is impossible, but the devil is in the details. Which is why gov't employees believe purchasing to be Hell.

finnished:

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Veterans Affairs police.



Department Of Commerce Police

Probably my favorite so far:



National Institutes of Health Police

cmunic8r99: If you have to give CNS a click, just skip down to the comments for the real fun... it's derptastic.

The article didn't seem to crazy until I read
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Then it was like my mind became a potato chowder of derp.

cmunic8r99: If you have to give CNS a click, just skip down to the comments for the real fun... it's derptastic.

Somehow I never heard of CNS until this thread. Thanks for the tip. It went from article to full on Derp in one comment. It's like they have a derp version of Pocket Ninja

Nem Wan: I wouldn't be surprised if every federal agency has its own cops.
NASA SWAT team.
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I have run into these guys on more than one occasion. I grew us fishing the fresh water lakes in the wildlife refuge around the space center. Some of the restricted access dirt roads are not too clearly marked.

Nothing like having a helicopter buzz by, followed by a van full of guys in full combat attire wielding M-16s, to interrupt your day fishing.

Fark: where we complain about the militarization of police forces but dismisses anyone pointing out the weapons buildup as derp.

Pick one you idiots.

SlothB77: why does the SSA need the SSA has 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.???? The SSA engages in law enforcement now?

I am sure they are completely unneeded as there are no laws that the SSA is tasked with enforcing and i am sure that no one would want to try to commit social secuirty fraud.

Loki009: finnished:

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Veterans Affairs police.

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Department Of Commerce Police

These guys have really been slacking during the past decade.

bullshiat.

that is 1.6 trillion bullets this year the DHS has ordered.

They are planning or expecting something.... no one buys that much just to 'have in stock'.

Finally trying to balance the books, are we?

vegasj: bullshiat.

that is 1.6 trillion bullets this year the DHS has ordered.

They are planning or expecting something.... no one buys that much just to 'have in stock'.

And I'll repost this, because I feel it is appropriate in this case:

snocone: cornering the market or just driving up prices?

either makes sense too... Liberal democrat thinking. Spend more so they can't have any.

spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend spend

super_grass: Fark: where we complain about the militarization of police forces but dismisses anyone pointing out the weapons buildup as derp.

Pick one you idiots.

Ordering 500 rounds of ammunition per officer is not a "weapons buildup" nor is possession of pistols by police officers generally considered "militarization"

If the thread was defending the SSA buying assault rifle and APCs, then you would have a point. Until then, bugger off.

Elegy: And I'll repost this, because I feel it is appropriate in this case:

Goes both ways, sheeple

Haven't read through the thread at all yet but my local SSA office has outside contract security (high dollar rent-a-cops)

my boss has been shiatting twinkies over this & preaching it to our customers. i hope they believe the same silly shiat, otherwise they'll think we're nuts.

anyhow - i gis'd 'obscure police agency' to try to enter the "look at which agency has it's own police truck" & came across this old article.

yes i know old news is exciting, but i still thought i'd like to share:

Link

vegasj: Elegy: And I'll repost this, because I feel it is appropriate in this case:


Goes both ways, sheeple

Ooooh, look, you called me sheeple! Dagnabit, I just can't compete on that level of intelligent debate. I bow before your superior intellect, dashing good looks, and patriotic stance.

Oh, and by the way, you're the problem with America today. Not Fartbongo. You.

I'd ask you to explain *why* you think Fartbongo is trying to arm the Federal government and come after you, but I'm truly terrified of the hideous level of derp that I would recieve in response.

Black helicopters, black police vans. Wake up citizen. America as you know has already changed.

btw, every "investigator" I met for SSA just goes to a claimant's house and tries to dig up dirt to deny his claim. The Federal Protective Service and the rent-a-cops are there for so called "security." SSA, once again has lied about why they want their flatfoots who spend most of their time in the office or in a stolen car need to have guns and 174,000 rounds (plus all the others ones they have) AND hollowpoint.

Tillmaster: Non-story. Every Social Security office has at least one armed guard. Most of the time he just stands around looking bored - his job is to make sure everyone signs in.
However, people who are attending a Social Security office are often at a low point in their lives, and tempers can flair...

Just for the sake of accuracy, this ammo isn't for those guys. Those individuals ate either private security or officers of the Federal Protective Service. This is for OIG Special Agents, the people who investigate Social Security fraud.

Tat'dGreaser: YodaBlues: Because soft, pussy-ass conservatives scare easily.

/shiat or get off the pot, you Rambo wannabe dick-less wonders.
//Start your glorious conservative revolution or shut the fark up. Some of us havereal shiat to get done.

Smidge204: Because id Obama can't ban ammunition or tax it beyond affordability, he's going to buy the entire country's supply.
=Smidge=

Wait what, how is this a political issue???

Everything is now. The right is pissed that Obama hasn't been operating within the normal confines of a typical liberal, ie, they can't hit him on gun rights since gun rights have actually increased under his watch. Despite all these gun massacres that have occurred in the past few weeks, the goddamn ni-bong hasn't done what he's supposed to do and grab peoples guns! So now, they have to manufacture outrage about normally standard events (like restocking ammo stores for government agencies) so as to present the idea that he's going to send his goon squads to get your guns! It's the same problem with foreign poilicy, the sonuvabiatch had the audacity to kill Bin Laden, so they are manufacturing these bullshiat stories about how he apologizes to the world. Immigration as well. ICE has deported more illegal immigrants during the Obama administration than during Bush II at this time in his administration. That darky bastard! Well, let's go ahead and float the idea that he wants scary brown people to invade America.

Republicans - Scared of Their Own Shadow Since 1961.

Lupine Chemist: syberpud: /yeah it doesn't seem right, but until someone comes up with a way of rewarding agencies (instead of punishing them) that come in under budget, this will continue.

Distribute a certain percentage of the savings amongst the employees as cash. Economic stimulus and huge motivation for efficiency.

That would require setting up a bureaucracy to investigate whether any given department came in under-budget because it failed to meet its mission (in order to create false savings to get themselves money).

Really?! If each one of those choads needs 100 rounds a year to qualify, they just ordered a 5 year supply! Hell, their next request will be for a tac team. We'll need MP-5 submachine guns, body armour, stun grenades, and sniper rifles for our sharpshooters for those hostage situations. Never can be too carefull. Wait, doesn't the FBI and every jerkwater PD in the whole COUNTRY already have one of those? Yes. No matter. Let's arm the post office next. How about the DMV? You can never have too many armed feds.

900RR: Really?! If each one of those choads needs 100 rounds a year to qualify, they just ordered a 5 year supply! Hell, their next request will be for a tac team. We'll need MP-5 submachine guns, body armour, stun grenades, and sniper rifles for our sharpshooters for those hostage situations. Never can be too carefull. Wait, doesn't the FBI and every jerkwater PD in the whole COUNTRY already have one of those? Yes. No matter. Let's arm the post office next. How about the DMV? You can never have too many armed feds.



US postal police

Dancin_In_Anson: 600 rounds per agent? Meh.

Yeah, that's not much for that many people if that's for more than a few weeks.

"Let's arm the post office next. How about the DMV? "

Troll? DMV in most states have their own cops. They usually do the truck inspections on the highway. USPS has been armed since the 1800's

Elegy: hasty ambush: Dancin_In_Anson: 600 rounds per agent? Meh.

Not much if you consider training,

My question is why does the SSA need its own law enforcement ? Couldn't they just report suspected law enforcement issues to the Justice Department and let them handle it? Is there some Law Enforcement for the US Geological Survey or Head Start?

We already have an alphabet soup of LE

BATF
DEA
FBI
USMS
SS
DDS
ICE
USPIS
To name just a few

Could we not consolidate the majority of them under one (The Marshal Service being senior gets dibs) and save some money on bureaucracy and duplication of effort?

Right, because a *BIGGER* law enforcement bureaucracy is EXACTLY what this country needs.

I'm ok with this - it make sense to let each organization handle their own policing with small, purpose-built LEOs. They know what they need to do and how they need to do it, which seems efficient to me.

Those of you suggesting that SSA doesn't need it's own cops - do you really want your local cops handling social security fraud cases? Because, uh, news flash, they'll have take time off from, you know, actually investigating violent criminals.

Not your local police but the FBI could-they investigate similar types of cases. And if the SSA is not investigating violent crimes why the need for guns?

We had two bureaucracies in charged of homeland security the DoD and the DoJ are you saying we improved things with a third, the DHS?

You could take all these Federal law enforcement personnel and make them Deputy US Marshals and just have them assign to branches in the Service. One group white collar stuff another would take over ATF functions etc. After all which would be easier for one agency to coordinate th activities of its ATF and Drug enforcement groups or having the DEA and BATF trying to do it?

Snarfangel: And take away some bureaucrat's petty fiefdom? Are you mad?

I suppose the idea that there could be a conflict of interest in certain matters between government agencies in our government seems pretty remote.

"I'm more interested in the use of .357 sig. I don't see to many of those, normally it's 9mm, .40 SW, or .45 for police. I wonder what their duty handgun is."

if I were a betting man, I would put my money on SIG P226.