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2012-08-17 09:38:31 AM
Wait, I thought Australia was a first-world country? Why do they have to resort to buying Chinese cars?
 
2012-08-17 09:47:40 AM
Do you really expect anything less out of China? They are incapable of manufacturing a quality product
 
2012-08-17 10:14:06 AM

Lost Thought 00: They are incapable of manufacturing a quality product


That's not true, but you do get what you pay for. When your primary advantage is low cost you have more incentive to cut corners every chance you get.
 
2012-08-17 10:21:06 AM

Arkanaut: Wait, I thought Australia was a first-world country? Why do they have to resort to buying Chinese cars?



Chinese bought a lot of Australian tech companies while building their auto industries.
 
2012-08-17 10:28:22 AM
Making quality cars is hard. Why not just just illegally make BMW clones that explode on impact instead?

Link
 
2012-08-17 10:35:20 AM
Dear stupid-ass consumers: If you insist upon buying products at prices from the 1950s, you'll be sold products with quality and safety from the 1950s.

/ I'm looking at you, Wal-Mart shoppers....
 
2012-08-17 10:38:42 AM
Oh, and in case anyone things my analogy doesn't work, I was actually really close. The average cost of a new car in 1959 was about $2200. Adjust for inflation to 2010 dollars and that's just shy of $20,000 which isn't that far off.
 
2012-08-17 11:03:36 AM

Arkanaut: Wait, I thought Australia was a first-world country? Why do they have to resort to buying Chinese cars?


Buying cheap cars means more money left over for beer.
 
2012-08-17 11:40:40 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dear stupid-ass consumers: If you insist upon buying products at prices from the 1950s, you'll be sold products with quality and safety from the 1950s.

/ I'm looking at you, Wal-Mart shoppers....


so after 60 years of manufacturing and materials improvements we should have to pay more for quality products?
 
2012-08-17 11:49:24 AM
The first sign of the Economic Apocalypse will be Walmart selling Chinese made cars in the US.
 
2012-08-17 12:05:25 PM
The use of asbestos in exports raises concerns about the quality and safety of products made in China, which has struggled with repeated health scares that include excessive lead found in toys, melamine-tainted milk and pet food killing children and dogs.

And every single one of those examples was an intentional use. None of those health risks were accidental. None. Not one. Nada.
 
2012-08-17 12:27:26 PM
Really a case of "you get what you pay for".
 
2012-08-17 12:30:33 PM

Bleyo: Making quality cars is hard. Why not just just illegally make BMW clones that explode on impact instead?

Link


Jeebus. Evil farkers.
 
2012-08-17 12:33:13 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: The use of asbestos in exports raises concerns about the quality and safety of products made in China, which has struggled with repeated health scares that include excessive lead found in toys, melamine-tainted milk and pet food killing children and dogs.

And every single one of those examples was an intentional use. None of those health risks were accidental. None. Not one. Nada.


It's one way they dispose of their toxins.... ship the crap overseas to unsuspecting consumers. Just dump a little bit of lead in every load of paint.
 
2012-08-17 12:59:20 PM

zqdime: so after 60 years of manufacturing and materials improvements we should have to pay more for quality products?


And this attitude is part of the problem.

Better quality isn't free. Of course you're going to get a comparatively better product just because of the overall advancement of processes across an industry. Even these cheap little crapboxes are almost certainly substantially safer and better built than most any car from the 50s.

But you don't get better products for free just because time went buy. More and better stuff means more money. It costs money to engineer modern cage designs and crumple zones, perform stability programming, develop tires that are reliable and responsive, better brakes and do it all within the confines imposed by modern efficiency and emissions standards while maintaining the performance demanded by buyers.

Too many people demand all the features of a product at a cut-rate price. Well, guess what? That means cuts have to be made in the cost and that means using inferior materials, inferior engineers and inferior testing processes.

If consumers insist on comparing nothing but price tags, they'll get exactly what they pay for.
 
2012-08-17 01:18:27 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Lost Thought 00: They are incapable of manufacturing a quality product

That's not true, but you do get what you pay for. When your primary advantage is low cost you have more incentive to cut corners every chance you get.


Asbestos brake pads are a very high quality product. And it's less than 20 years since they were phased out in the West.

/ I'm guessing the cars in TFA are using it as a heat shield in the engine. Less dusty.
 
2012-08-17 01:19:40 PM
had to do something with all that debris from the WTC
 
2012-08-17 01:32:13 PM
Fast. Cheap. Good.

Pick two.
 
2012-08-17 01:36:20 PM
In other news, China still has active asbestos mines? WTF?
 
2012-08-17 01:51:26 PM

Bleyo: Making quality cars is hard. Why not just just illegally make BMW clones that explode on impact instead?

Link


That crash test was scary. The driver would be dead on impact if that were a real crash.
 
2012-08-17 01:52:29 PM

Contents Under Pressure: Fast. Cheap. Good.

Pick two.


Good and Cheap. Doesn't need to be fast, just have sufficient acceleration.
 
2012-08-17 02:13:38 PM

mainstreet62: Bleyo: Making quality cars is hard. Why not just just illegally make BMW clones that explode on impact instead?

Link

That crash test was scary. The driver would be dead on impact if that were a real crash.


Yeah, as I watched it in slow motion I was thinking, "Crumpling, crumpling, crumpling, uh oh... oh my God... still crumpling... still... crumpling... and the driver has now merged with the car at an atomic level."
 
2012-08-17 02:31:41 PM

MrEricSir: In other news, China still has active asbestos mines? WTF?


As does Canada
 
2012-08-17 02:42:19 PM

Lost Thought 00: MrEricSir: In other news, China still has active asbestos mines? WTF?

As does Canada


and India (big time there)
 
2012-08-17 03:25:32 PM

Archie Goodwin: Arkanaut: Wait, I thought Australia was a first-world country? Why do they have to resort to buying Chinese cars?

Buying cheap cars means more money left over for beer.


Anyone buying cheap cars is not buying good beer anyway.
 
2012-08-17 04:52:18 PM
Link


chinese auto crash test
 
2012-08-17 05:47:18 PM

tuna762: Link


chinese auto crash test


I think this one -> Top 10 Crash Tests . The link goes to the last two provided (#2 and #1). Anyone want to drive those vehicles again?
 
2012-08-17 06:27:58 PM

Arkanaut: Wait, I thought Australia was a first-world country? Why do they have to resort to buying Chinese cars?


Farking Maps, how do they work?
 
2012-08-17 06:30:38 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Dear stupid-ass consumers: If you insist upon buying products at prices from the 1950s, you'll be sold products with quality and safety from the 1950s.

/ I'm looking at you, Wal-Mart shoppers....


Wait until China is selling a 2500.00 car at Wal-Mart.
 
2012-08-17 08:19:43 PM
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2012-08-18 04:20:55 PM
As others have said, you get what you pay for. You can build a 2500 dollar car, but unless you like dying in a fender-bender with a moped, it's not a very smart buy. I doubt the average Chinese SUV could stand up to a Smart, let alone an F-150.
 
2012-08-19 08:58:29 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: zqdime: so after 60 years of manufacturing and materials improvements we should have to pay more for quality products?

And this attitude is part of the problem.

Better quality isn't free. Of course you're going to get a comparatively better product just because of the overall advancement of processes across an industry. Even these cheap little crapboxes are almost certainly substantially safer and better built than most any car from the 50s.

But you don't get better products for free just because time went buy. More and better stuff means more money. It costs money to engineer modern cage designs and crumple zones, perform stability programming, develop tires that are reliable and responsive, better brakes and do it all within the confines imposed by modern efficiency and emissions standards while maintaining the performance demanded by buyers.

Too many people demand all the features of a product at a cut-rate price. Well, guess what? That means cuts have to be made in the cost and that means using inferior materials, inferior engineers and inferior testing processes.

If consumers insist on comparing nothing but price tags, they'll get exactly what they pay for.


I call bs
Cars today Are built to make up for stupid people.
We don't need airbags, or crumple zones. We need people to pay freaking attention when they are driving, not texting.

Thicker metal and actual bumpers are safety, at what speed are a majority of accidents? Under 10 mph. That heavy as hell bumper would even be dented. That person in the crosswalk or biker, you yield to the car they are bigger.
Vehicle Designers and engineers that design this crap should be made to spend a year with the car, then they'll see that having to take a vendor off to service a battery is just bat crap crazy.

Meh..
/ get off my lawn
 
2012-08-19 11:57:47 AM
Oh so sorry, we got caught again. It won't happen again... much.

Thanks for the 100's of billion$ well get back to you on the environment, human rights & product warranties.
 
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