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(New York Daily News)   Sabathia, Pettit on the DL? No problem: just bring up King Felix from the Yankees minor league system   (nydailynews.com) divider line 50
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2012-08-17 09:18:23 AM
For once I'd like to see a small market team make a competitive offer and hold on to their superstar talent, and here's the important part, actually build around him.

/why yes I'm from Cleveland, why did you ask?
 
2012-08-17 09:24:25 AM
Yankees trading for Seattle Mariners ace Felix Hernandez is not so far-fetched

Yes, it is.

Oh, and subby mispelled Pettitte
 
2012-08-17 09:24:31 AM
2012 Payrolls
Seattle Mariners $ 81,978,100
Washington Nationals $ 81,336,143
 
2012-08-17 09:25:31 AM
Petit? Really?
 
2012-08-17 09:29:25 AM

PowerSlacker: 2012 Payrolls
Seattle Mariners $ 81,978,100
Washington Nationals $ 81,336,143


Yep, it's not always how much you spend, but how well you spend it (and how sucktastic the rest of your division is).
 
2012-08-17 09:30:58 AM
cashman,

make it so
 
2012-08-17 09:36:06 AM
Well, his price just went up. But until now nobody was sure how he would pitch in big games under pressure. Now they know. Time to cash out, Seattle.
 
2012-08-17 09:41:06 AM

ClavellBCMI: PowerSlacker: 2012 Payrolls
Seattle Mariners $ 81,978,100
Washington Nationals $ 81,336,143

Yep, it's not always how much you spend, but how well you spend it (and how sucktastic the rest of your division is).


And th Nats still have the retarded Jayson Werth contract in that number.
 
2012-08-17 09:50:41 AM
Subby needs to start hyperventilating - he's not going anywhere for the time being - and if you haven't noticed, the Yankees have done OK without Pettitte and in spite of Sabathia's short stints on the DL.
 
2012-08-17 09:51:23 AM

idesofmarch: Subby needs to start stop hyperventilating - he's not going anywhere for the time being - and if you haven't noticed, the Yankees have done OK without Pettitte and in spite of Sabathia's short stints on the DL.


/really should preview
 
2012-08-17 09:55:19 AM

Homer Nixon: ClavellBCMI: PowerSlacker: 2012 Payrolls
Seattle Mariners $ 81,978,100
Washington Nationals $ 81,336,143

Yep, it's not always how much you spend, but how well you spend it (and how sucktastic the rest of your division is).

And th Nats still have the retarded Jayson Werth contract in that number.


Just wait till Strasburg and Harper hit arbitration though.
 
2012-08-17 10:07:41 AM

idesofmarch: idesofmarch: Subby needs to start stop hyperventilating - he's not going anywhere for the time being - and if you haven't noticed, the Yankees have done OK without Pettitte and in spite of Sabathia's short stints on the DL.

/really should preview


I think you got it right the first time.
 
2012-08-17 10:10:18 AM

Minarets: Just wait till Strasburg and Harper hit arbitration though.


I don't think Harper (BA down to .245 and such) can get much more, and Strasburg has cooled down enough that we don't have to endure headlines where the joke is putting his name everywhere. They could get a couple mil more a year tops, but the Nats could afford it.
 
2012-08-17 10:28:37 AM
He is signed through 2014. If nothing happens in 2013, you can expect them to trade him right around June of 2014.

The Yankees don't really have anything to trade for, anyway.
 
2012-08-17 10:34:11 AM
You know how I know this headline was written and greenlit by red sox fans? Because the stench of failure emanating from it could be smelled from the Hudson Valley.
 
2012-08-17 10:34:21 AM

ClavellBCMI: Yep, it's not always how much you spend, but how well you spend it (and how sucktastic the rest of your division is).


shiatting the bed completely the years that Strasburg and Harper are at the top of the draft doesn't hurt.
 
2012-08-17 10:42:06 AM
Said it in the Howard thread, and I'll say it in this one too: I don't get why any "have not" team will ever do business with a "have," especially when there's no way they're going to benefit from it. Seattle should just tell the Yankees to fark off and make them wait to bid in 2014, when everyone will be bidding and either make the Yankees charge double or watch him go to the Dodgers or Rangers or some such shiat.

\crazy thing is, as good of a season as he's having, he'll probably still be third in Cy Young voting behind either Weaver or Verlander
 
2012-08-17 10:44:28 AM

WTF Indeed: You know how I know this headline was written and greenlit by red sox fans? Because the stench of failure emanating from it could be smelled from the Hudson Valley.


I love how Yankees fans will swear up and down that they don't care about the Sox and then say shiat like this.

\serious Red Sox fans know how bad it is this year, and are just hoping it kills the Stub Hub/Pink Hat syndicate
 
2012-08-17 10:50:28 AM

thecpt: Minarets: Just wait till Strasburg and Harper hit arbitration though.

I don't think Harper (BA down to .245 and such) can get much more, and Strasburg has cooled down enough that we don't have to endure headlines where the joke is putting his name everywhere. They could get a couple mil more a year tops, but the Nats could afford it.


Yes, I'm sure Harper will still be hitting .245 in 3 years.
 
2012-08-17 10:55:22 AM

DeWayne Mann: Yes, I'm sure Harper will still be hitting .245 in 3 years.


I just meant for immediate future if there is a need for arbitration. He'll progress, but the idea that he is going to maintain the level of play he had for the first half over 3 years is a little silly. Not saying it couldn't happen though.
 
2012-08-17 11:02:35 AM

thecpt: I just meant for immediate future if there is a need for arbitration.


Well, he signed a long term rookie contract though 2015, so...there's not.
 
2012-08-17 11:05:52 AM
If they're not competitive in the division, they probably should. They would get an obscene amount for him. I don't buy that they have the guys to be 15 wins better next year.
 
2012-08-17 11:06:48 AM

FriarReb98: I love how Yankees fans will swear up and down that they don't care about the Sox and then say shiat like this.

\serious Red Sox fans know how bad it is this year, and are just hoping it kills the Stub Hub/Pink Hat syndicate


We care how the Red Sox are doing. We'd rather see a good Sox team than a bad Sox team. Just like we'd rather see a good AL East rather than a shiatty one. The reason we are rejoicing this year at the team's misery is because the owners farked everything up. They treated Francona like a cancer, and insulted man by blaming his marriage breakup as the reason the Sox blew up. The Red Sox earned this year, they've earned every shiatty year from now on because of what they did to Terry and Theo.
 
2012-08-17 11:13:05 AM

DeWayne Mann: Well, he signed a long term rookie contract though 2015, so...there's not.


Do you think he is worth more than 18.9 million over what 6 years? Plus why would he sign that considering how confident he is?
 
2012-08-17 11:16:05 AM
At least the Red Sox are still playing more or less (well, tad more less) .500 ball, with a low point of -6 (May 10th) and a high of +5 (June 27th, 29th, July 1st).
The Jays kinda suck. Low of -8 (today), high of +5 (May 4th, 19th, 21st).
 
2012-08-17 11:27:38 AM

The Bestest: The Jays kinda suck. Low of -8 (today), high of +5 (May 4th, 19th, 21st).


Its killing me that my team is this bad right now, especially since I'm going to watch them in NY in a week and a half. As a fan, I hope that no one gets fired though because every team complains about injuries taking their toll but this year is just horrible. 3 starting pitchers lost in a week's time out to the dl which none have returned yet, losing Bautista for what feels like forever, losing our big closer in April, and losing Lind who was picking up pace. I just want next year already.
 
2012-08-17 11:32:04 AM

thecpt: DeWayne Mann: Well, he signed a long term rookie contract though 2015, so...there's not.

Do you think he is worth more than 18.9 million over what 6 years? Plus why would he sign that considering how confident he is?


I don't even know what you're trying to say any more.

When Harper was drafted, he got a 6.25 mil signing bonus, plus a 5 year major league contract with the following breakdown:

2011: 500k
2012: 500k
2013: 750k
2014: 900k
2015: 1 mil

Additionally, there are various bonuses involved.

As for why Harper would sign this, it was a risk for both sides. Let's say, instead, Harper had signed a typical minor league deal with the same signing bonus, but everything else is the same, including the date of his major league debut. Then his contract breakdown would look something like this:

2011: (minor league minimum, which is tiny)
2012: ~300k
2013: ~500k
2014: ~500k
2015: possibly arbitration, possibly ~500k (he's right on the super-two border, last I knew)

Assuming that 2015 salary is ~500k, he's making a lot less money this way.

Conversely, let's say that he signed the deal from the last example, but the Nats called him up opening day, 2011:

2011: ~500k
2012: ~500k
2013: ~500k
2014: arbitration
2015: arb2

Hey, he's making a lot more money this way.

So Harper gave up the chance at making the big money in scenario 2, but at the same time he avoided the possibility of making less money in scenario 1 (and note that scenario 1 can get worse). So far, it's looking like a smart gamble.
 
2012-08-17 11:37:01 AM

thecpt: As a fan, I hope that no one gets fired though because every team complains about injuries taking their toll but this year is just horrible.


This is actually the REAL difference between the "haves and have nots". I think one could argue that the Yankees have taken it on the chin the worst, injury-wise (too lazy to do the math, but I'm willing to bet just the Yankees DL has a higher payroll than several teams' whole rosters). The difference is that the Yankees have a TON of spare parts, which is the luxury most teams can't afford.
 
2012-08-17 11:41:31 AM
It's cute to see NY squirm in their pants about pitching.
 
2012-08-17 11:46:22 AM

LessO2: It's cute to see NY squirm in their pants about pitching.


If by "NY" you mean "just the idiot media", sure.
 
2012-08-17 11:59:09 AM

DeWayne Mann: So Harper gave up the chance at making the big money in scenario 2, but at the same time he avoided the possibility of making less money in scenario 1 (and note that scenario 1 can get worse). So far, it's looking like a smart gamble.


Yeah, thats what I meant. He seems cocky enough to go with scenario 2 to make the big bucks. I won't argue that what he did seems smarter now.
 
2012-08-17 12:09:55 PM

WTF Indeed: FriarReb98: I love how Yankees fans will swear up and down that they don't care about the Sox and then say shiat like this.

\serious Red Sox fans know how bad it is this year, and are just hoping it kills the Stub Hub/Pink Hat syndicate

We care how the Red Sox are doing. We'd rather see a good Sox team than a bad Sox team. Just like we'd rather see a good AL East rather than a shiatty one. The reason we are rejoicing this year at the team's misery is because the owners farked everything up. They treated Francona like a cancer, and insulted man by blaming his marriage breakup as the reason the Sox blew up. The Red Sox earned this year, they've earned every shiatty year from now on because of what they did to Terry and Theo.


A Yankee fan rejoicing at how another owner treated their coach? Ummmm...
 
2012-08-17 12:10:53 PM

thecpt: Yeah, thats what I meant. He seems cocky enough to go with scenario 2 to make the big bucks. I won't argue that what he did seems smarter now.


Ignoring that I think that all the stuff about his personality has been overblown....he hired Boras for a reason.
 
2012-08-17 12:17:52 PM

FriarReb98:
\crazy thing is, as good of a season as he's having, he'll probably still be third in Cy Young voting behind either Weaver or Verlander


I don't know. Over his last 10 games or so, Felix has been pretty much unhittable. He's got an ERA of about 1.7 over that last stretch, and batters are hitting .160 against him. Top that with the perfecto and I'd say he is definitely a contender for Cy #2, and if he can keep that pace up through the rest of the season, I'd say he's a lock for it.
 
2012-08-17 12:20:42 PM
It's kind of a dumb article, but there's no need to get anyone's panties all bunched up either. Because the Rangers look to be pretty competitive regardless of what they do with Josh Hamilton and whatever happens to Micheal Young for the next few years, and the Angels the same, there's at least two teams in their own division that look to be significantly better than the Mariners for the foreseeable future..

Seattle management would be stupid to NOT listen to any trade offers for what blue chips they have.
 
2012-08-17 12:22:17 PM

Killer Cars: whatever happens to Micheal Young for the next few years


What if they clone him and just make an entire lineup of Michael Youngs? How competitive will they be then?
 
2012-08-17 12:35:32 PM

WTF Indeed: FriarReb98: I love how Yankees fans will swear up and down that they don't care about the Sox and then say shiat like this.

\serious Red Sox fans know how bad it is this year, and are just hoping it kills the Stub Hub/Pink Hat syndicate

We care how the Red Sox are doing. We'd rather see a good Sox team than a bad Sox team. Just like we'd rather see a good AL East rather than a shiatty one. The reason we are rejoicing this year at the team's misery is because the owners farked everything up. They treated Francona like a cancer, and insulted man by blaming his marriage breakup as the reason the Sox blew up. The Red Sox earned this year, they've earned every shiatty year from now on because of what they did to Terry and Theo.


QFT!!
 
2012-08-17 12:36:07 PM

DeWayne Mann: What if they clone him and just make an entire lineup of Michael Youngs? How competitive will they be then?


My real point (which I didn't explain, admittedly) in bringing him up was that he's still considered a "good" to "really good" player by casual fans despite his precipitous drop this year to a -1.5 WAR and never being rated with a positive UZR ANYWHERE in the infield except for his first year at second base. 

I overheard someone mention he'd be "tough to replace". He had a good run, but he's now very replaceable.

/I know I probably shouldn't write him off after his first all around "ehhhh" offensive year, but he ain't gettin younger.
 
2012-08-17 12:38:23 PM

Killer Cars: DeWayne Mann: What if they clone him and just make an entire lineup of Michael Youngs? How competitive will they be then?

My real point (which I didn't explain, admittedly) in bringing him up was that he's still considered a "good" to "really good" player by casual fans despite his precipitous drop this year to a -1.5 WAR and never being rated with a positive UZR ANYWHERE in the infield except for his first year at second base. 

I overheard someone mention he'd be "tough to replace". He had a good run, but he's now very replaceable.

/I know I probably shouldn't write him off after his first all around "ehhhh" offensive year, but he ain't gettin younger.


Sooooo....super competitive?
 
2012-08-17 01:25:33 PM

DeWayne Mann: Killer Cars: whatever happens to Micheal Young for the next few years

What if they clone him and just make an entire lineup of Michael Youngs? How competitive will they be then?


They'd challenge the 1899 Cleveland Spiders for worst record ever. Why do you want to take away Cleveland's claim to fame?
 
2012-08-17 01:45:51 PM

DeWayne Mann: Sooooo....super competitive?


Absolutely. The Michael Youngs would tear it up in the Spittlefart, ND church softball league.
 
2012-08-17 04:30:18 PM

WTF Indeed: FriarReb98: I love how Yankees fans will swear up and down that they don't care about the Sox and then say shiat like this.

\serious Red Sox fans know how bad it is this year, and are just hoping it kills the Stub Hub/Pink Hat syndicate

We care how the Red Sox are doing. We'd rather see a good Sox team than a bad Sox team. Just like we'd rather see a good AL East rather than a shiatty one. The reason we are rejoicing this year at the team's misery is because the owners farked everything up. They treated Francona like a cancer, and insulted man by blaming his marriage breakup as the reason the Sox blew up. The Red Sox earned this year, they've earned every shiatty year from now on because of what they did to Terry and Theo.


All of this; Red Sox ownership is seriously creeping up on Steinbrenner-levels of stupidity at this point. Right now Tito must be LHAO at ownership at this point seeing how Valentine's getting blitzed.
 
2012-08-17 06:49:15 PM

LessO2: It's cute to see NY squirm in their pants about pitching.


Mets games from the 7th inning on? :(
 
2012-08-17 07:03:36 PM
What a stupid article... talks about the Yankees wanting King Felix for their run in the playoffs but the writer speculates if Seattle is going to trade him, it will be in the winter. He's a terrible fiction writer and how in the hell did he even get a job as a sports writer. No way in hell is Seattle going to give him up.
 
2012-08-17 07:28:48 PM

DandD: talks about the Yankees wanting King Felix for their run in the playoffs but the writer speculates if Seattle is going to trade him, it will be in the winter.


There is literally no possible way Seattle could trade Felix to the Yankees before the playoffs, no matter what the Yankees were willing to give up. Unless the Twins are complete pants-on-head retards (which, admittedly, IS possible), they're the only team that could acquire him before the end of the World Series.
 
2012-08-17 07:37:34 PM
They need to delay this game. Not because Morales is about as un-Yankee-killer-ish as you can get, but really, if you can see rain and hear the thunder, it's time to give it up.
 
2012-08-17 07:47:31 PM

FriarReb98: They need to delay this game. Not because Morales is about as un-Yankee-killer-ish as you can get, but really, if you can see rain and hear the thunder, it's time to give it up.


If I've learned anything from Detroit fans, it's that the home team is allowed to wait until it's an official game and then call it when the away team starts the threaten.

I also learned that Detroit fans suck at reading the rulebook, but that's neither here nor there.
 
2012-08-17 08:26:36 PM
I know runs that score due to E1 are still unearned.. but that -feels- wrong
 
2012-08-17 08:41:29 PM
Jeter just hit his 10th homer of the year (250 career), which now gives the Yankees 10 players with 10+ homeruns.
 
2012-08-17 08:56:51 PM

The Bestest: I know runs that score due to E1 are still unearned.. but that -feels- wrong


Hey, just a thought here....let's get rid of ERA.
 
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