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2012-08-16 10:31:29 PM
He was told to stop and didn't. I don't see the problem here.
 
2012-08-16 10:39:49 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: He was told to stop and didn't. I don't see the problem here.


After all, baseball IS all about the umpires.
 
2012-08-16 10:58:35 PM
I'd have to see at least a few minutes prior to the start of the video provided, but it does seem shiatty.
 
2012-08-17 12:45:40 AM

violentsalvation: I'd have to see at least a few minutes prior to the start of the video provided, but it does seem shiatty.


Nah he pissed off the ump more than a few minutes prior, and ump let him slide on that (a called first strike in the first inning)

/I'm a Dodgers fan too
 
2012-08-17 01:07:09 AM

martissimo: violentsalvation: I'd have to see at least a few minutes prior to the start of the video provided, but it does seem shiatty.

Nah he pissed off the ump more than a few minutes prior, and ump let him slide on that (a called first strike in the first inning)

/I'm a Dodgers fan too


I figured there was quite a bit more to it.
 
2012-08-17 04:56:07 AM
He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.
 
2012-08-17 05:04:00 AM

I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.


Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.
 
2012-08-17 05:31:44 AM
Did he call the umpire a cocksucker?

I've seen that documentary about baseball, it's a fact. Call an umpire a cocksucker and you are automatically eliminated from the game. It's in the rules.
 
2012-08-17 05:41:11 AM
Judges have too much power in the courtroom.
 
2012-08-17 06:17:15 AM

gimmegimme: I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.

Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.


Bottom line, its one of the most understood rules of the game. You CANNOT argue balls and strikes.

I didnt say it was right, im just saying the umpire was within his rights.
 
2012-08-17 07:17:20 AM

I sound fat: gimmegimme: I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.

Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.

Bottom line, its one of the most understood rules of the game. You CANNOT argue balls and strikes.

I didnt say it was right, im just saying the umpire was within his rights.


Hitters argue balls and strikes all the time. They'll ask the ump where they saw that last pitch, they'll employ body language that makes their thoughts crystal clear, they'll have a (generally polite) discussion as to where the pitch was in the "zone." I think we do agree that umpires react strongly if you show them up or question their authority in the course of this kind of exchange.
 
2012-08-17 07:18:52 AM
For a moment, I thought Roger Goddell was the new MLB Commissioner.
 
2012-08-17 07:52:54 AM
I'm gonna start referring to baseball as pussyball. It's starting to seem appropriate.
 
2012-08-17 08:03:30 AM
Lots of ump-bumps there. What's the standard suspension for that?
 
2012-08-17 08:14:51 AM

ozarkmatt: Call an umpire a cocksucker and you are automatically eliminated from the game. It's in the rules.


Call him a cork smoker then, no harm no foul.
 
2012-08-17 08:21:55 AM

Marcus Aurelius: The My Little Pony Killer: He was told to stop and didn't. I don't see the problem here.

After all, baseball IS all about the umpires.


And Angel Campos is all about Angel Campos.

As soon as I read his name, I figured he was being himself again... sure enough, I was right.

/douchebag ump is douchebaggy
 
2012-08-17 08:50:56 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Lots of ump-bumps there. What's the standard suspension for that?


Usually 3 games
 
2012-08-17 08:54:20 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: He was told to stop and didn't. I don't see the problem here.


He was told to stop talking about pitches, which is the ump's prerogative. Kemp stopped talking about pitches.

There is, however, no rule that says he can't say "Let's go Dre." no matter what preceded it.

MLB is full of attention whore umps who want to get on SportsCenter.
 
2012-08-17 08:56:16 AM
If I was into beer guts that video would be fapalapooza.
 
2012-08-17 09:37:47 AM
#umpshow
 
2012-08-17 10:31:00 AM

gimmegimme: I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.

Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.


When they do, the often get ejected.
 
2012-08-17 10:32:08 AM

SharkTrager: MLB is full of attention whore umps who want to get on SportsCenter.


This. I don't want to know an ump's name until it's on a plaque in upstate New York, and even then I don't really think umps deserve enshrinement. They definitely don't deserve to be named on SportsCenter. As far as I'm concerned, ump names should be treated similarly to fans on the field - ignored by the media completely.
 
2012-08-17 10:33:42 AM

gimmegimme: I sound fat: gimmegimme: I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.

Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.

Bottom line, its one of the most understood rules of the game. You CANNOT argue balls and strikes.

I didnt say it was right, im just saying the umpire was within his rights.

Hitters argue balls and strikes all the time. They'll ask the ump where they saw that last pitch, they'll employ body language that makes their thoughts crystal clear, they'll have a (generally polite) discussion as to where the pitch was in the "zone." I think we do agree that umpires react strongly if you show them up or question their authority in the course of this kind of exchange.


What you are describing is not arguing balls and strikes. "Hey ump, where was that strike in the zone?" isn't an argument, it's a player trying to figure out where this ump is going to call his game.

"Hey ump, that pitch wasn't a strike, it was outside the zone," is an argument.
 
2012-08-17 11:12:20 AM

Rent Party: gimmegimme: I sound fat: gimmegimme: I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.

Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.

Bottom line, its one of the most understood rules of the game. You CANNOT argue balls and strikes.

I didnt say it was right, im just saying the umpire was within his rights.

Hitters argue balls and strikes all the time. They'll ask the ump where they saw that last pitch, they'll employ body language that makes their thoughts crystal clear, they'll have a (generally polite) discussion as to where the pitch was in the "zone." I think we do agree that umpires react strongly if you show them up or question their authority in the course of this kind of exchange.

What you are describing is not arguing balls and strikes. "Hey ump, where was that strike in the zone?" isn't an argument, it's a player trying to figure out where this ump is going to call his game.

"Hey ump, that pitch wasn't a strike, it was outside the zone," is an argument.


What he's saying is you ask the question while giving that knowing "riiiight" smirk and little "whatever" shoulder shrug that indicates that it's a bad call.
 
2012-08-17 11:13:03 AM

I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.


Except if that's the case, the ump should have ejected him when he argued, not for the "cheer".

Then again, you see umps make up for earlier missed calls all the time, I guess this isn't that different.
 
2012-08-17 11:20:48 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: He was told to stop complainingand didn't. I don't see the problem here.

 
2012-08-17 11:22:12 AM

I sound fat: gimmegimme: I sound fat: He got ejected for arguing balls and strikes, which Mattingly said he did.

even though the actual REASON for the ejection was a misunderstanding, if you admit that he argued balls and strikes before the warning, hes broken the rule. There is no required warning.

Good point. Ballplayers never argue balls and strikes.

Bottom line, its one of the most understood rules of the game. You CANNOT argue balls and strikes.

I didnt say it was right, im just saying the umpire was within his rights.


Is there anyone left who still honestly thinks we're better off with human umpires calling balls and strikes instead of a computer?
 
2012-08-17 11:31:13 AM
Cheering for the Dodgers always merits an ejection.
 
2012-08-17 11:31:41 AM

FriarReb98: SharkTrager: MLB is full of attention whore umps who want to get on SportsCenter.

This. I don't want to know an ump's name until it's on a plaque in upstate New York, and even then I don't really think umps deserve enshrinement. They definitely don't deserve to be named on SportsCenter. As far as I'm concerned, ump names should be treated similarly to fans on the field - ignored by the media completely.


Other than Jim Joyce (a very good ump who made one terrible call) the only ump's whose names are well-known are awful at their jobs. See: West, Joe; Bucknor, CB; Hernandez, Angel; Diaz, Laz; Tchida, Tim.
 
2012-08-17 11:34:17 AM

meanmutton:

Is there anyone left who still honestly thinks we're better off with human umpires calling balls and strikes instead of a computer?


Computers can't fix games like humans. That's also why there's heavy resistance to automation of refereeing in the NFL.

/allow me to don my tinfoil wizard's hat
 
2012-08-17 11:35:08 AM
Don't remember who the player was, but back around '88 or '89 I remember watching a game, guy gets K'ed on a called 3rd strike and instead of just walking back to the dugout, he took his bat and drew a line a few inches outside of home plate - where HE thought the ball was - and then laid the bat down on that line.

I've never seen an umpire toss a guy with so much gusto.
 
2012-08-17 11:36:00 AM

SharkTrager: The My Little Pony Killer: He was told to stop and didn't. I don't see the problem here.

He was told to stop talking about pitches, which is the ump's prerogative. Kemp stopped talking about pitches.

There is, however, no rule that says he can't say "Let's go Dre." no matter what preceded it.

MLB is full of attention whore umps who want to get on SportsCenter.



Yep.
 
2012-08-17 11:47:20 AM

jackiepaper: Tchida, Tim


And you'll notice, he couldn't wait to run down from first base and eject Mattingly. Because we're all here to see Tim Tchida.
 
2012-08-17 12:29:40 PM
People are seriously defending the ump here? Did we watch the same video?

What I saw was an ump with rabbit ears try to make the game about himself.

/Hate the Dodgers.
//Umps have been horrendous.
 
2012-08-17 12:33:33 PM

zarberg: Don't remember who the player was, but back around '88 or '89 I remember watching a game, guy gets K'ed on a called 3rd strike and instead of just walking back to the dugout, he took his bat and drew a line a few inches outside of home plate - where HE thought the ball was - and then laid the bat down on that line.

I've never seen an umpire toss a guy with so much gusto.


Bryce Harper did the same thing in the JUCO championships two years ago.
 
2012-08-17 12:48:38 PM

jackiepaper: FriarReb98: SharkTrager: MLB is full of attention whore umps who want to get on SportsCenter.

This. I don't want to know an ump's name until it's on a plaque in upstate New York, and even then I don't really think umps deserve enshrinement. They definitely don't deserve to be named on SportsCenter. As far as I'm concerned, ump names should be treated similarly to fans on the field - ignored by the media completely.

Other than Jim Joyce (a very good ump who made one terrible call) the only ump's whose names are well-known are awful at their jobs. See: West, Joe; Bucknor, CB; Hernandez, Angel; Diaz, Laz; Tchida, Tim.


Well, Jim Joyce also made the out call at 1st base when Todd Helton was easily 3 feet off the bag earlier this season. Huh, the Dodgers got screwed by that one too. So that makes 2 egregiously, ridiculously, horribly, terribly bad calls at 1st base in the last 2 seasons.
 
2012-08-17 12:48:51 PM
blogimages.thescore.com
 
2012-08-17 01:45:12 PM
Angel Campos needs to be optioned to AA.
 
2012-08-17 01:54:50 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: zarberg: Don't remember who the player was, but back around '88 or '89 I remember watching a game, guy gets K'ed on a called 3rd strike and instead of just walking back to the dugout, he took his bat and drew a line a few inches outside of home plate - where HE thought the ball was - and then laid the bat down on that line.

I've never seen an umpire toss a guy with so much gusto.

Bryce Harper did the same thing in the JUCO championships two years ago.


Carl Yazstremski was heading to first on what he thought was ball four that the ump called strike three. He want back to home, covered the plate with dirt, tossed his batting helmet, and headed back to the dugout.

If you;re gonna get tossed, do it with style.
 
2012-08-17 01:59:24 PM

OtherLittleGuy: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: zarberg: Don't remember who the player was, but back around '88 or '89 I remember watching a game, guy gets K'ed on a called 3rd strike and instead of just walking back to the dugout, he took his bat and drew a line a few inches outside of home plate - where HE thought the ball was - and then laid the bat down on that line.

I've never seen an umpire toss a guy with so much gusto.

Bryce Harper did the same thing in the JUCO championships two years ago.

Carl Yazstremski was heading to first on what he thought was ball four that the ump called strike three. He want back to home, covered the plate with dirt, tossed his batting helmet, and headed back to the dugout.

If you;re gonna get tossed, do it with style.


Man, that reminds me of the time Lou Piniella kicked dirt all over home plate during an ejection and the ump refused to sweep it off afterward. Dan Wilson sat there and waited for awhile and you could tell they were talking behind their masked while Wilson was in his crouch. Wilson finally grabbed the handbroom from the ump and swept the plate himself. I wish I could remember who the ump was.
 
2012-08-17 02:51:39 PM
I would love to watch these umpires officiate football. There wouldn't be a farking player left in the game by the end of the first quarter. Hell, not a single wide receiver or defensive back would be left by the time the second possession ended and it'd probably only take nine snaps to eliminate both sides of the lines.

I have much respect for football officials and absolutely none for baseball umpires.
 
2012-08-17 02:59:01 PM

lecavalier: I would love to watch these umpires officiate football. There wouldn't be a farking player left in the game by the end of the first quarter. Hell, not a single wide receiver or defensive back would be left by the time the second possession ended and it'd probably only take nine snaps to eliminate both sides of the lines.

I have much respect for football officials and absolutely none for baseball umpires.


In rugby only the captain in allowed to talk to the head ref. Since I was the most outspoken player they made me captain. Refs hated me.
 
2012-08-17 03:07:42 PM
The dog days of summer have kicked in. Stuff like this happens every year around this time.

I'm not going to defend the umps, particularly since this is one of the worst officiating seasons I have seen. However, I do not want them to be replaced by some computer run by some geek that doesn't know a balk from a walk.

Also, Joyce has missed at least a half dozen calls this year. He's not anywhere near the best in his profession.

I would like to see some form of instant replay that would allow a blatant missed call to be timely overturned and some type of penalty given to terrible umps. When players suck they get sent down to the minors. So to should the umps.

Nuff said.
 
2012-08-17 03:28:12 PM

lecavalier: I would love to watch these umpires officiate football. There wouldn't be a farking player left in the game by the end of the first quarter. Hell, not a single wide receiver or defensive back would be left by the time the second possession ended and it'd probably only take nine snaps to eliminate both sides of the lines.

I have much respect for football officials and absolutely none for baseball umpires.


Planet of the Umps is a fantastic book by former MLB umpire Ken Kaiser. It is a quick read and very funny. Especially good was his description of the first time he saw Nolan Ryan in Spring Training.

//The attitudes of players and managers have changed, some umps haven't. Very rarely do umps need to control the flow of the game or toss a guy for being overly disruptive. Some just have shorter fuses, but get away with it because these are judgement calls.
 
2012-08-17 04:00:53 PM
Meh, I side with the ump.  He TOTALLY gave him a huge pass when he got in his face arguing balls and strikes.  I mean, it wasn't even they typical glare or long stare.  An actual argument.  How he didn't toss him, I have no idea.  Heck, the ump may even be in a little trouble for not tossing him, as MLB wants to crack down on that.
 
 
 
2012-08-17 04:04:48 PM

upndn: I would like to see some form of instant replay that would allow a blatant missed call to be timely overturned and some type of penalty given to terrible umps. When players suck they get sent down to the minors. So to should the umps.



Nah, not on balls and strikes.  There are 200+ pitches in a game.  The worst umps miss maybe 10.  Normal umps may miss 2-3.
 
And it all evens out with that large of a sample size.
 
2012-08-17 04:36:39 PM

downstairs: upndn: I would like to see some form of instant replay that would allow a blatant missed call to be timely overturned and some type of penalty given to terrible umps. When players suck they get sent down to the minors. So to should the umps.


Nah, not on balls and strikes.  There are 200+ pitches in a game.  The worst umps miss maybe 10.  Normal umps may miss 2-3.
 
And it all evens out with that large of a sample size.


Actually it's been statistically proven using pitch track that a large number of umps consistently miss balls and strikes.A lot more than 10 a game.
 
2012-08-17 04:39:00 PM

SharkTrager: downstairs: upndn: I would like to see some form of instant replay that would allow a blatant missed call to be timely overturned and some type of penalty given to terrible umps. When players suck they get sent down to the minors. So to should the umps.


Nah, not on balls and strikes.  There are 200+ pitches in a game.  The worst umps miss maybe 10.  Normal umps may miss 2-3.
 
And it all evens out with that large of a sample size.

Actually it's been statistically proven using pitch track that a large number of umps consistently miss balls and strikes.A lot more than 10 a game.


Not that I'm debating your point, but does pitchtrack adjust for each batter's personal zone(since the zone is determined by the batter)?
 
2012-08-17 04:48:54 PM

SharkTrager: downstairs: upndn: I would like to see some form of instant replay that would allow a blatant missed call to be timely overturned and some type of penalty given to terrible umps. When players suck they get sent down to the minors. So to should the umps.


Nah, not on balls and strikes.  There are 200+ pitches in a game.  The worst umps miss maybe 10.  Normal umps may miss 2-3.
 
And it all evens out with that large of a sample size.

Actually it's been statistically proven using pitch track that a large number of umps consistently miss balls and strikes.A lot more than 10 a game.



Well, then I'll say this... its not so much that they get the calls right, its every ump has their own strike zone game to game.  Even if consistent (and it usually is)... THAT I hate.
 
 
 
2012-08-17 04:52:21 PM

FriarReb98: SharkTrager: MLB is full of attention whore umps who want to get on SportsCenter.

This. I don't want to know an ump's name until it's on a plaque in upstate New York, and even then I don't really think umps deserve enshrinement. They definitely don't deserve to be named on SportsCenter. As far as I'm concerned, ump names should be treated similarly to fans on the field - ignored by the media completely.


Steve Bartman would like to have a word with you about that.

Anyway, here's my 2 cents:

Campos is a known attention whoring dickbag. But he is the ump, and he said that he didn't want to hear another word. Another word was heard, and an ejection was the result. I don't know what else you could have expected when an ump says that. That said, the word had nothing to do with balls or strikes, it was not even addressed to the ump himself, and if the ump is not going to be aware enough to understand that then he has no business being behind the plate. Or in the stadium, for that matter. It is his job to be aware of the situation and to respond with judgment. It is what the word umpire means, FFS. This was not a decision made with judgment, it was completely, 100 percent, reactionary. That is precisely the sort of thing that MLB unpires are trained not to do. The Commissioner should take a long look at this, as well as past Campos' histrionics, and clarify what umps can (and can not) do with regard to ejections. Then they should send Campos packing to make an example of him. Officiating has been utter crap lately, and MLB has got to do something to reset the standard.
 
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