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2012-08-16 11:45:23 PM
Juan Manuel Sanchez Gordillo has, over the past week, led several raids on supermarkets around the town of Marinaleda, near Seville in southern Spain, arguing that "someone has to do something so that families can eat."

What does this genius think is going to happen if the supermarkets go out of business? Who the fark is he going to steal from then?
 
2012-08-16 11:51:50 PM
Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?
 
2012-08-17 12:13:01 AM
There won't be any businesses, food or otherwise, in this town for long if this is the mayor's plan. Why would you run a business in a town where the mob can show up and take everything?

Shoot the commie in the head. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-08-17 12:19:03 AM

fusillade762: Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?


You have a choice: hyper inflation on a scale not seen since 1920s Germany (which would wipe everyone from rich to poor out), or you make a few cuts to make sure that you can pay your creditors.

Which one would you have chosen?
 
2012-08-17 12:37:33 AM
For once I'm actually pretty glad I'm living in the US and not in a country that is so corrupt that its leaders are literally stealing from its own citizens and having the gall to call themselves heroes for doing so. Apparently this mayor doesn't understand that he's redistributing food that people had to work for to grow and make a living off of by selling. Perhaps he should actually do something productive like work with the farmers and set up food distribution centers. If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this, they could actually work toward adopting a classical democracy and set up realistic christian moral values.
 
2012-08-17 12:51:14 AM

cman: fusillade762: Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

You have a choice: hyper inflation on a scale not seen since 1920s Germany (which would wipe everyone from rich to poor out), or you make a few cuts to make sure that you can pay your creditors.

Which one would you have chosen?


I think it's been pretty well established that you can't cut your way out of a recession.
 
2012-08-17 12:58:32 AM

ignite ice: For once I'm actually pretty glad I'm living in the US and not in a country that is so corrupt that its leaders are literally stealing from its own citizens and having the gall to call themselves heroes for doing so. Apparently this mayor doesn't understand that he's redistributing food that people had to work for to grow and make a living off of by selling. Perhaps he should actually do something productive like work with the farmers and set up food distribution centers. If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this, they could actually work toward adopting a classical democracy and set up realistic christian moral values.


Well, that's true.
 
2012-08-17 01:12:57 AM

Lsherm: Juan Manuel Sanchez Gordillo has, over the past week, led several raids on supermarkets around the town of Marinaleda, near Seville in southern Spain, arguing that "someone has to do something so that families can eat."

What does this genius think is going to happen if the supermarkets go out of business? Who the fark is he going to steal from then?


there's a couple of VERY nice mansions along the southern coast of spain.
 
2012-08-17 01:20:05 AM

ignite ice: stealing from its own citizens


Carrefour is a multinational chain. Think Kroger or Safeway.

He's not stealing from his own citizens, he's stealing from a giant corporation.
 
2012-08-17 02:30:13 AM
Is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?
 
2012-08-17 03:00:23 AM

ignite ice: For once I'm actually pretty glad I'm living in the US and not in a country that is so corrupt that its leaders are literally stealing from its own citizens and having the gall to call themselves heroes for doing so. Apparently this mayor doesn't understand that he's redistributing food that people had to work for to grow and make a living off of by selling. Perhaps he should actually do something productive like work with the farmers and set up food distribution centers


Sure, yeah, I can agree with this.

ignite ice: If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this, they could actually work toward adopting a classical democracy and set up realistic christian moral values.


You think religion, or rather one specific religion, will magically make all problems disappear by instantaneously instilling some kind of absolute morality upon the people and hence, the government. Riiiight, well, good luck with that. I mean, it's worked out so well so far.
 
2012-08-17 03:08:47 AM

fusillade762: Is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?


If it as survival, and it was either me or you, you better know how to secure your loaf of bread because I will steal it for my self
 
2012-08-17 03:09:11 AM

fusillade762: Is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?


it's wrong to ask why your family is starving in the first place.
 
2012-08-17 05:23:56 AM
I learned this lesson in high school. There was this huge scary dude who sat next to me in some civics class. Each morning he would sit next to me and say: Let me hold your pencil. Then he would snap it in two and hand me the broken end (with the eraser) and I would sharpen my piece. This continued for a few weeks, he didn't show up most of the time, until I finally complained to him. His response: bring more pencils. The next day he asked to "hold my pencil" and I told him that I only had one pen. The look on his face was incredible.
 
2012-08-17 05:26:20 AM
Unemployment is at 35%. I could swear I remember people on this very site claiming that if unemployment reached a certain level, then people would start to riot. I'm pretty sure there were other times in history where this has happened.
 
2012-08-17 06:32:36 AM

cman: fusillade762: Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

You have a choice: hyper inflation on a scale not seen since 1920s Germany (which would wipe everyone from rich to poor out), or you make a few cuts to make sure that you can pay your creditors.

Which one would you have chosen?


No. Borrowing and spending during a recession does not cause hyperinflation in the absence of other factors. When "a few cuts" results in an even WORSE economy, you wind up with LESS tax revenue with which to pay your creditors.

Some European countries (Greece, f'rinstance) have been using debt to mask a basic imbalance of their tax/spending books, but Spain and Ireland were not among them. Their problem was the financial collapse caused by banks being treated as casinos.

You need to cut spending to balance budgets during GOOD times, not when investors are hoarding cash because there's no demand. You actually can get away with taxing the investor class more and spending it during a recession, because that money's not going into the economy in any other way.
 
2012-08-17 06:34:35 AM
It's not looting...it's finding food.
 
2012-08-17 06:39:17 AM

ignite ice: For once I'm actually pretty glad I'm living in the US and not in a country that is so corrupt that its leaders are literally stealing from its own citizens and having the gall to call themselves heroes for doing so. Apparently this mayor doesn't understand that he's redistributing food that people had to work for to grow and make a living off of by selling. Perhaps he should actually do something productive like work with the farmers and set up food distribution centers. If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this, they could actually work toward adopting a classical democracy and set up realistic christian moral values.


yeah, no corrupt leaders in the US
 
2012-08-17 06:40:49 AM

Weaver95: fusillade762: Is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?

it's wrong to ask why your family is starving in the first place.


What if they're not starving, but interested in smoking cigarettes?
 
2012-08-17 06:41:04 AM

unlikely: ignite ice: stealing from its own citizens

Carrefour is a multinational chain. Think Kroger or Safeway.

He's not stealing from his own citizens, he's stealing from a giant corporation.


The fact remains that he's directing a large scale mob operation. Now not only is the mayor a criminal, he's going to cause these stores to be raided constantly like this. The stores will soon hire security to protect themselves and their employees, and sooner or later someone will get hurt.

And subby is a giant doucheweasel for using the hero tag here.
 
2012-08-17 06:41:33 AM
maybe if the people who were starving worked hard rather than sitting around watching tv they would not be starving because the market would ensure that they had jobs and money and food
 
2012-08-17 06:42:39 AM
Typical liberal mentality. Stealing from the rich is still stealing.
 
2012-08-17 06:47:25 AM
Hero tag, subby? Really? For organized crime?
 
2012-08-17 06:48:00 AM

MeinRS6: There won't be any businesses, food or otherwise, in this town for long if this is the mayor's plan. Why would you run a business in a town where the mob can show up and take everything?

Shoot the commie in the head. It's the only way to be sure.


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One dead commie is better than twenty million people starving to death. Its how would you say....for the greater good and social justice.
 
2012-08-17 06:50:21 AM
This thread is pretty much as expected.
 
2012-08-17 06:50:29 AM
Stalin did the same thing when he rounded up all of the evil farmers. Ask twenty some million dead people how well that bright idea worked.
 
2012-08-17 06:50:52 AM

fusillade762: cman: fusillade762: Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

You have a choice: hyper inflation on a scale not seen since 1920s Germany (which would wipe everyone from rich to poor out), or you make a few cuts to make sure that you can pay your creditors.

Which one would you have chosen?

I think it's been pretty well established that you can't cut your way out of a recession.


I'm guessing your brain doesn't do economics.

Unfortunately there are way too many people like you.
 
2012-08-17 06:51:05 AM

gameshowhost: ignite ice: For once I'm actually pretty glad I'm living in the US and not in a country that is so corrupt that its leaders are literally stealing from its own citizens and having the gall to call themselves heroes for doing so. Apparently this mayor doesn't understand that he's redistributing food that people had to work for to grow and make a living off of by selling. Perhaps he should actually do something productive like work with the farmers and set up food distribution centers. If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this, they could actually work toward adopting a classical democracy and set up realistic christian moral values.

Well, that's true.


Guys, he's trolling. Spain's current government make the Christian Right look sensible. LOL at the PP being Atheist. Opus Dei up in this biatch!
 
2012-08-17 06:55:07 AM

mbillips: cman: fusillade762: Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

You have a choice: hyper inflation on a scale not seen since 1920s Germany (which would wipe everyone from rich to poor out), or you make a few cuts to make sure that you can pay your creditors.

Which one would you have chosen?

No. Borrowing and spending during a recession does not cause hyperinflation in the absence of other factors. When "a few cuts" results in an even WORSE economy, you wind up with LESS tax revenue with which to pay your creditors.

Some European countries (Greece, f'rinstance) have been using debt to mask a basic imbalance of their tax/spending books, but Spain and Ireland were not among them. Their problem was the financial collapse caused by banks being treated as casinos.

You need to cut spending to balance budgets during GOOD times, not when investors are hoarding cash because there's no demand. You actually can get away with taxing the investor class more and spending it during a recession, because that money's not going into the economy in any other way.


This.
 
2012-08-17 06:56:01 AM
Spain needs to bring back Islam.
 
2012-08-17 06:56:59 AM

shotglasss: unlikely: ignite ice: stealing from its own citizens

Carrefour is a multinational chain. Think Kroger or Safeway.

He's not stealing from his own citizens, he's stealing from a giant corporation.

The fact remains that he's directing a large scale mob operation. Now not only is the mayor a criminal, he's going to cause these stores to be raided constantly like this. The stores will soon hire security to protect themselves and their employees, and sooner or later someone will get hurt.

And subby is a giant doucheweasel for using the hero tag here.


Wow, we are officially a farked up culture when we think that political-economic ideaologies trump human lives.
 
2012-08-17 06:57:41 AM

fusillade762: Is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?


It seemed to work out for Valjean
 
2012-08-17 06:58:25 AM

MeinRS6: There won't be any businesses, food or otherwise, in this town for long if this is the mayor's plan. Why would you run a business in a town where the mob can show up and take everything?

Shoot the commie in the head. It's the only way to be sure.


B..b..but..... money grows on trees!
 
2012-08-17 06:58:25 AM

KiplingKat872: been using debt to mask a basic imbalance of their tax/spending books, but Spain and Ireland were not among them. Their problem was the financial collapse caused by banks being treated as casinos.


facepalm.jpg
 
2012-08-17 06:58:25 AM
So stealing from people openly is perfectly acceptable and you will be hailed a hero.

Maybe somebody should come steal what the fruits of your labor and we'll see how "heroic" you think they are when they then give them away.
 
2012-08-17 06:59:04 AM
Anyone who sympathizes with this or considers this guy a hero should be banished from the planet.

Without getting into any of the economics of free trade and only employing basic common sense: How long do you think food markets will be around if their product can be stolen at will?

People are more likely to starve than to be fed because of this.
 
2012-08-17 07:05:58 AM
Wtf is this?
American flag hero tag for this comunist "robin hood" bullshiat?
Take from grocery stores, that make 5% margins? Now how are they going to keep their employees, who make min wage if forced to write off and replace truck loads of stolen food?

Spain has one of he most socialist governments of any democracy, which I see must be functioning very well seeing as such policies are actually driving communist government officials to lead illegal raids on grocery stores.

In a country of laws, everyone is equal and everyone is protected under that same law. Apparently, Fark mods and subby have far-differing views than me on equality and what constitutes a hero.
 
2012-08-17 07:08:48 AM
The guy is a douche and needs to be shot in the face, Which is better than subbie and the guys defenders deserve.
 
2012-08-17 07:10:19 AM
While they're at it, why not rape his entire family? If they can freely take food or things from businesses for the needs of the many, how about those horny desires that a lot of men and women have as well? They can just have sex with anyone whether they refuse or not. It's a lawless place, anything goes!
 
2012-08-17 07:13:59 AM

fusillade762: Spain is grappling with deep austerity cuts

Yeah, how's that working out for ya?


They should just continue to borrow, right? No matter what the interest rate?
 
2012-08-17 07:14:48 AM
Compare this to people in the US who consider Obama hostile to business.
 
2012-08-17 07:16:19 AM

KiplingKat872: shotglasss: unlikely: ignite ice: stealing from its own citizens

Carrefour is a multinational chain. Think Kroger or Safeway.

He's not stealing from his own citizens, he's stealing from a giant corporation.

The fact remains that he's directing a large scale mob operation. Now not only is the mayor a criminal, he's going to cause these stores to be raided constantly like this. The stores will soon hire security to protect themselves and their employees, and sooner or later someone will get hurt.

And subby is a giant doucheweasel for using the hero tag here.

Wow, we are officially a farked up culture when we think that political-economic ideaologies trump human lives.


Remember that by stealing he's taking food out of the mouths of the people who work at that place: The employees get paid from the money that is made selling the food. If too much gets stolen, then there isn't enough to pay the employees.

I don't know how it is in Spain, but I know that in the US supermarkets typically run on a very thin profit margin compared to other businesses. You start stealing a significant amount, and you start causing them to lose money. They lose money long enough, they go out of business.

In the end, though, this is stealing, plain and simple. And it's worse than a regular old thief, because it's being done under the color of law. That's the sort of thing that makes people disrespect and distrust government.
 
2012-08-17 07:18:51 AM

ignite ice: For once I'm actually pretty glad I'm living in the US and not in a country that is so corrupt that its leaders are literally stealing from its own citizens and having the gall to call themselves heroes for doing so. Apparently this mayor doesn't understand that he's redistributing food that people had to work for to grow and make a living off of by selling. Perhaps he should actually do something productive like work with the farmers and set up food distribution centers. If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this, they could actually work toward adopting a classical democracy and set up realistic christian moral values.


Umm, you just described Democrats and Obama.
 
2012-08-17 07:22:22 AM

tjfly: Wtf is this?
American flag hero tag for this comunist "robin hood" bullshiat?
Take from grocery stores, that make 5% margins? Now how are they going to keep their employees, who make min wage if forced to write off and replace truck loads of stolen food?

Spain has one of he most socialist governments of any democracy, which I see must be functioning very well seeing as such policies are actually driving communist government officials to lead illegal raids on grocery stores.


No, they may have a socialist state, but in no way the current government is socialist. It's a far right government that is applying the same kind of measures the far right is trying to force in the USA: Screw the poor and immigrants.
 
2012-08-17 07:22:26 AM

ignite ice: If Spain wasn't being lead around by an atheist regime and being sunk into anarchy with looting and corruption like this,


The f*ck does this have to do with atheism?
 
2012-08-17 07:24:22 AM

TheDumbBlonde: I learned this lesson in high school. There was this huge scary dude who sat next to me in some civics class. Each morning he would sit next to me and say: Let me hold your pencil. Then he would snap it in two and hand me the broken end (with the eraser) and I would sharpen my piece. This continued for a few weeks, he didn't show up most of the time, until I finally complained to him. His response: bring more pencils. The next day he asked to "hold my pencil" and I told him that I only had one pen. The look on his face was incredible.


I'd let you hold my pencil.
 
2012-08-17 07:25:04 AM

Weaver95: Lsherm: Juan Manuel Sanchez Gordillo has, over the past week, led several raids on supermarkets around the town of Marinaleda, near Seville in southern Spain, arguing that "someone has to do something so that families can eat."

What does this genius think is going to happen if the supermarkets go out of business? Who the fark is he going to steal from then?

there's a couple of VERY nice mansions along the southern coast of spain.


How nice will they be if they have to pack up and leave since there's, you know, nowhere to buy food?
 
2012-08-17 07:25:25 AM
The Internet tough guys are out early this morning........"shoot him in the head"....."shoot him in the face". You sound like idiots. He's not stealing for personal gain, he's stealing to keep poor people from starving. Perhaps there are better methods than roving gangs of marauders, but his political statement is clear.
 
2012-08-17 07:26:36 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: They should just continue to borrow, right? No matter what the interest rate?


Interest rate doesn't matter if you don't intend to pay the loan back.

/it's the bank's fault for lending money in the first place
//it's predatory to expect people to pay back borrowed money, let alone pay back more than they borrowed
 
2012-08-17 07:27:18 AM
The only subby who would use the hero tag here is someone who doesn't really understand what just happened.

I think the pain is only beginning for that country. Hopefully, they can find a way to fix this situation before the violence begins.
 
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